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Deleted User 3.9.2019. 23:53
Has anyone seen Bound? Is it worth watching? Does it feel like a Wachowski film? Does it have any parralels to The Matrix in terms of style, writing, vibe?
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Bound is absolutely worth watching
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I've seen it like 10 times
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So they already pitched The Matrix, which was going to be way expensive,
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the studio wanted proof they could make an actual movie
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Don Davis did the soundtrack, Joe Pantoliano (cypher) plays a leading role,
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It's not perfect, it's their very first feature film, but man it's good
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You'll see lots of very early iterations of Matrix style cinematography
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Gine Gershawn (sp) and Jennifer Tillly are really good, plus that guy from NYPD Blue
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He plays an idiot mob boss that's only in the mob because he's someone's son
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Absolutely watch Bound
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My only gripe with the movie is that they really hit you over the head with the two main characters being lesbians
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Like, whatever, they're gay, big deal
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but they just beat you over the head with it, where I said out loud "OKAY WE GET IT THEY ARE LESBIANS, CAN WE GET ON WITH THE GODDAMN STORY PLEASE????"
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Joey Pants is so good in that movie,
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man, watch it
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find it somewhere, anywhere
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It has its flaws, but they are obvious 'first time filmmaker' flaws
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Totally excusable. Easy to overlook
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Deleted User 4.9.2019. 12:53
Cool, I shall give it a watch :)
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What does (sp) mean?
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(sp) means the spelling is probably not right
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And it wasn't
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But DAMN is she hot
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Son of a bitch I need to find my copy of Bound, I never bought it on DVD/bluray
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I got it on the high seas somewhere
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I just need to buy it
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Gina Gershon?
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Gina Gershawn, Cello says
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I trust her
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"Or aun"
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This is a job for the internet
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Gina Gershon, Actress: Bound. Since making her uncredited debut as a dancer in Beatlemania (1981), Gina Gershon has established herself as a character actress and one of the leading icons of American camp. For it was fourteen years after her movie debut that Gina made movie h...
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Ha
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I win
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lol
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(this round... forget the above)
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lol
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ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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power is back on
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I'm almost sad lol
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and damnit, we have so many more people and so many more channels, I can't just blurt out shit like we used to where mara-central was the catch-all lol
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that or off-topic, which became #general
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Whats Mara central for then
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General mixo chat?
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And shit you'd talk about in mixo chat?
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which like
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I guess that could be anything lol
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ok omg Rage for real this time
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keanuE
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Pilots hovercraft, "I have GOT to get me wunna deez!"
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Dammit, Manic. Beat me to it.
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Now this is a story all about how my life got flipped turned upside down now wait just a minute and hold right there tell you all about that Neo guy flying through the air
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he'd begginning 2 beeleb
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Manic Velocity 7.9.2019. 7:41
@Tecknik I get instant notifications about anything even remotely related to Keanu, and I’ll let you decide whether I’m telling the truth or not
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Metalogic 7.9.2019. 13:07
You know what I wondered? How was Zion explained to the 23 individuals that The One free'd from The Matrix after he reinserts the Prime Program. "Hey look, an ancient ruins that just so happen to have everything we need to live in The Real. Boy that sure is convenient."
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 7.9.2019. 15:39
No 'the' in our title 😂. Also the only cardboard dvd i have seen (and bought)
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Deleted User 7.9.2019. 15:42
I hope the disc wasn't cardboard
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 7.9.2019. 15:51
No, the dvd is normal😂
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Deleted User 7.9.2019. 18:04
Good 😅
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dae think trinity looks 10 years older in the sequels?
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Metalogic 8.9.2019. 20:09
I haven't noticed it
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maybe it's the costume
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Metalogic 8.9.2019. 20:09
Maybe it's Maybelline.
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Metalogic 8.9.2019. 20:11
I wish Trinity had kept her badassness from the first movie in the sequels. She kind of lost her personality once she confessed her love for Neo.
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yeah. her best moment was when she was on the motorcycles
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That was just her ass
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Dat Ducati 996 ass (edited)
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lol
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She looked much older in the sequels
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for me
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also
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All ass jokes aside though, the very beginning of Reloaded was so promising
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Then it was a lot of slumping in theater seats lol
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they should have stuck with the rubber clothes, the vinyl clothes had a mom jean look
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sorry still on ass look
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🙂
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Also, would love to get my hands on a Matrix Ducati.....they are out there
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It was a 996 right?
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998
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but whats 2cc lol
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Lol I was WAY off
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the color was the reason it was a matrix, maybe the Olhins suspension
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I saw one in person, they look color IRL
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Dunno what the bike from the original Matrix was, you can't see much of it at all
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yeah, its zipping around
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best view is before she gets on it on the tractor trailer
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Nah it only appears when Neo gets arrested
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no thats a monster
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the ducati was in reloaded
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The original Matrix, matrix 1
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yes, thats a ducati monster
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No idea what bike that was
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trust me
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Oh is it?
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99.99% sure
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Damn those guys like Ducati lol
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who doesnt
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lol
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actually, they are great for the racetrack
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kinda suck as a daily
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Never rode one, just Yamaha, Honda, uh....
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Shit that's it
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Oh wait suzuki
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well, dry clutch, and chromed (!!) pistons
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so lots and lots of very expensive maint
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I RODE ME ALL
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lol
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My fave!
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me?
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Love expensive maint
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hahahaah
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Dat Z
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Just ask my 94 300zx
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Lolol
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but yer
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the 998 is a beast on the track
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and trinity (lol) rode the shit outta it
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Is that inline 4?
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Lol "trininty"
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Wow, v 4
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That's pretty unique
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perty sure
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Usually you see inline or opposed
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Does not sound like opposed
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that growl they have
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It sounds inline, but I'm not a motorcycle expert
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Yup, well I used to do track days with my bud who had one
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and although I never saw it with the plastic off...pretty sure....
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oh, google says V twin
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so there ya go - the panigale (current superbike) has a v4
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Twin, yeah that makes sense,
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so, Vtwin
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yeah, Im thinking too modern
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but the sound....the rumble is awesome, as is the grinding noise that comes from the dry cluth
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and it goes by, yourre SURE its fucked up
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clutch
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It's funny how different vtwin in particular sounds completely different depending on manufacturer. Honda has that cheesy 'buddabuddabudda' sound,
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hahahah
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well its about the angle of the cylinders
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and of course, displacement
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Harley has that shitty 'hope I can still keep running' sound lol
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"theres no replacement for displacement"
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ahahah
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potato potato
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Seems like it's designed to sound V8-ish
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But not to be reliable
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hahahah
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the oil leaking is "as designed"
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for real
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thats what youll hear
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Feature
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no kidding, Harley put that shit out there
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Im like, yeah no
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Anyhow, in sticking with the topic - yeah Trinitys butt looks good on the bike 🙂
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Lol
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Even the stunt ass looks great
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Might even be a dude's, not sure
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"Bring in the stunt ass!"
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its a chick
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Whew
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hahahahah
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Its a feature on some DVD or the other
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and, to be fair
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she only had to drive it on an empty road
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the swerving was all choreographed and they added the cars later
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Well, doing that shit with the cars on the road would have been just unnecessarily dangerous
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Not even borderline stupid, just straight up stupid
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yeah no need
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Deleted User 10.9.2019. 23:31
Any good movies people have seen recently?
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idk about movies but I just finished the third season of The Expanse and it's fuckin' baller
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Good Omens was good
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The Boys was good
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all on Amazon Prime
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Good Omens totally
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The Rover
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Deleted User 10.9.2019. 23:43
Good Omens looked intriguing. Never heard of The Expanse, The Boys or The Rover
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I’ve been watching a south Korean show on netflix called Arthdal Chronicles.
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Just watched Alita Battle Angel, super fun, cool action
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It’s got me hooked honestly
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The Rover is really good, check out the trailer maybe
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Alita battle angel was dope.
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Deleted User 10.9.2019. 23:45
Interesting. And Alits is based on an anime right?
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*Alita
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Yeah I think so
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From like
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Esp if you're a Guy Pearce fan, and it's beautifully shot, great soundtrack, actually gotta rewatch that (the Rover)
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The 1990’s
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Or maybe a bit earlier
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Can’t remember
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I think its more based on the manga itself, the anime was short lived, two 30 minute episoded
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The boys is based off of a comic that came out in the early 2000s. Super realistic and super gritty, in a world where absolute power corrupts absolutely and superheroes are basically bastards.
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Aka "fuck this capeshit"
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The expanse is set a few hundred years in the future and follows a small ragtag crew. It is very good Sci-Fi
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I just finished season 3 of the expanse and let me tell you, about halfway through the first season the story goes off the rails and never gets back on. Extremely good pacing and very engaging. (edited)
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Good Omens was a collaboration between Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. If you know anything about either of those authors and that should be enough.
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I feel like everything on Netflix/Amazon that seems worth watching is a Series
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and that means commitment
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sometimes I just wanna watch a fookin movie
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2 hours, done, and I go on with my life
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American Psycho is on Netflix
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But I think you've seen that
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I saw
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yep
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I finally watched the Chapelle show
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twas hilarious
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The original 2 seasons (because fuck season 3)?
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the show on netflix I mean
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his latest standup
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oh, the standup specials?
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nice
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yeah the latest one is great
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dude so hilarious
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I just watched Bill Burr's newest, that's good too
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Ah, cant wait
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But Chappelle's is amazing
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Yeah Burr is going strong
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Paper Tiger is his newest one
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Hes right up my alley too (probably you too) with the NYC attitude
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The Rover is a movie then?
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Yeah, I really love The Rover. I wouldn't watch it if you can't dig stuff that's kinda slow though, it's not a fast movie
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I've seen it 3 times though
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eh, I pay for the service if I dont like it, Ill turn it off
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hah
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I think it's on netflix
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google thinks it is
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Even if you don't watch the whole movie, if you appreciate cinematography, there's some great stuff
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yeah I can dig it
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I had the shot of the car crash out the window in the beginning as my desktop background for fucking months
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no danger of spoilers because it happens right in the beginning
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no problem
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You'll see what I mean if you watch it, it's a gorgeous shot
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robots or kung fu?
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"NONE"
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hahahah
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I almost forgot about that trope
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lol
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hahah man
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was that arkadys server?
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yeah that was in his code for mxosource
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The shot I'm talking about is in the trailer
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Also who knew Robert Pattinson is a solid fuckin actor
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Guy Pearce's character is sitting at the bar, just this weird music going on, you don't hear the crash you just see the truck tumbling across the view outside. I always thought that was such a cool shot
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yeah looks pretty cool
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Ill have to use subtitles
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everything was like
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shubb shub shubbb shub
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lol
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lol what?
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hearing issues?
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nah bro, accents
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well, maybe hearing lol
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but def accents, I have a hard time deciphering them sometimes
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Like Snatch for instance, what is guy even saying!??!?
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j/k
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but for real
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Heh, it takes place in Australia but Robert Pattinson's character has a mumbly Southeastern US accent
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I think we've talked about this before? but if you watch Snatch with the subtitles on, you can totally understand Mickey
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like, the mumbles become words!
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Probably, we were still in the IRC channel when I first saw The Rover, that movie made a huge impression on me
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back in the heady days of IRC
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talked a lot of shit in that place
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back when life was black and white
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yesssssss
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man there are tomes of logs from the IRC years
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no emojis, no jifs
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lol
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IVe got no plans and nothing to do tonight, so I might watch the Rover tonight....we'll see
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Definitely give it a shot, it's worth that
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probably will
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Like maybe it'll end up being your style, maybe it won't, but it's absolutely worth giving it a shot
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And man I can't think of another movie that used Tortoise on the soundtrack, and it's so damn fitting
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so, Ive evolved using Neflix and Amazon
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I used to be overwhelmed with all the choices and end up watching nothing
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now, Ill start lots of movies, snap judgement 5 minutes later - turn it off
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lol
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or
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leave it on
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its was almost like - if you start a movie and dont continue to watch youre doing something wrong
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Deleted User 13.9.2019. 22:32
I used to only watch movies with a certain rotten tomatoes rating. Now I go in blind because I have found films where the reviews do not match up AT ALL with how I perceive the film's value
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And a film being artful, meaningful and competent are not the only things that have worth in my opinion
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A film can be dumb or seemingly inane but it can also be highly entertaining
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So yeah. I like to go in blind based purely on the synopsis.
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Also rotten tomatoes ain't what it used to be
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@bitbomb so, watched the entire series of Undone last night
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Blown away
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So very very great
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I seriously want to watch it again lol
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no doubt
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I hope they won't do another season, it's complete the way it is
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1000% agree
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Or if they do, I dunno what they'd do (edited)
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it stands alone
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nah leave it
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dont want to throw up spoilers, but fuck! the hospital bed scene(s)
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Loved it so much
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The Waking Life/A Scanner Darkly style rotoscoping animation did so much for it too, that was a really effective use of that technique (edited)
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And Bob Odenkirk ftw, he was perfect for that character (edited)
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:22
Never heard of it. Looks very interesting.
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Reminds me of Paprika for some reason
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(r.e. the reality bending stuff)
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So I've been watching cheesy 50s era Sci-Fi movies
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I love it
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:23
Like... B Movies?
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This is prime RiffTrax or MST3K territory
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yes, the B movies
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:23
Attack of the Giant Grab Monsters
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*Crab... even
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The monsters that grab you!
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:23
Giant Grab Monsters is the porn version
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Jk
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beatbox porn riff
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Would watch giant grab monsters (edited)
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:24
Lmao
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Not a B movie but one of the sci fi greats of the 50s, you guys have seen Forbidden Planet right?
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1956 with Leslie Neilsen?
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And yeah @Deleted User definitely put Undone on your list of stuff to check out, great stuff
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Is that the one with the robot?
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Yeah it's the origin of Robbie the Robot
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He was reused in tons of other things
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Robby*
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Loved the animation in Forbidden Planet
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:28
I don't know Forbidden Planet. There waa a batshit insane... 60s/70s animated film called Fantastic Planet
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That was on a VHS recording I had that followed directly on from Jurassic Park when I was a kid lmao
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I don't think my parents knew. It used to terrify me.
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That's what J-lo's character is watching while smoking a joint in The Cell
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"Danger, danger Wil Robertson."
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:30
Fantastic Planet? Never heard of The Cell
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I haven't seen the whole thing, always wanted to see it
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The Cell is good, worth checking out for sure. And yeah Fantastic Planet
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Deleted User 16.9.2019. 19:31
Ah okay
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All I remember is big blue aliens humiliating a human lol
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I've seen The Cell a bunch of times, really good stuff. If you ever come across it check it out (edited)
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Dude, the rotoscoping allowed the blending of reality and maybe not reality flawless - much better than live actions/cgi could do
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flowed seamlessly
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it was perfect for that story
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That and it gives you that slightly disconnected vibe all the time
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Also cochlear implants clearly have their advantages
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Cochlear?
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the signals come on THROUGH THE COCHLEAR NERVE
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The advantage here being she just unplugs it
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When she's tired of listening lol
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the disadvantage is that it sounds like shit
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Takes it off, however they work
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imagine having to listen to music through 4KHz samplerate audio (edited)
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Yikes
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better than being deaf?
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Hyprviper1 17.9.2019. 18:59
:thereisnospoon:
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Sean bean is turning down roles if his character dies in the script. I say spoil sport
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He is great at dying, I'm sorry it's his trademark
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Now this is something I have never seen
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Interesting to hear his side of things
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WB offered him $250k for both sequels
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I knew there was a dispute over his pay, but I didn’t think it was that low
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$250k is weak, but he didn't really have a leg to stand on
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yeah
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he wasnt a big name actor and played a completely replaceable character (edited)
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Double jeopardy
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Worse than not a big name, he was nobody
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But yeah coupled with a replaceable character, you just have to take what they give you and use those credits to get better paying jobs
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Yeah in that scenario you take the offer and maybe try to negotiate some residuals
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That shit about using their agent was really sheisty
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Deleted User 21.9.2019. 21:50
@bitbomb His role wasn't big either, so I can see why WB only offered $250k to return.
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wachowskis like to kill off operators anyway, he was better not coming back
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I hope they kill Sparks. He sucks
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starschwar 21.9.2019. 22:20
I liked Sparks. If nothing else, he has good taste in action B-movies. Link and Tank were about equal to me, but I think Link had a bit more personality. AK, Roland's operator was the least memorable. At least Soren's guy, Jax, had a solid death scene. Best operator of all was nameless Machinist Operator, always fawning over Agent Pace. (edited)
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I couldn't stand link at all. Sparks was mediocre, didn't hate him
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'he's doing his Superman thing,' 'yesss!!!' 'where's my puss... Hey!' etc.
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Link was awful imo
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It's very rare for a man to refer to his girlfriend or wife as his pussy.
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That idiot line
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He was supposed to be the comedic relief. Not sure why the movie needed a comedic relief.
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It absolutely didn't. But YESSSS! though
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The sequels had a ton more conventional moviemaking muscled on them (edited)
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Tacked on them
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starschwar 21.9.2019. 23:39
You have it all wrong.
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You think Zion subsisted on protein alone? Link wasn't content with that. He was, in his downtime, working on genetically replicating a cat. It was done in secret, he couldn't inform his niece and newphew of his Soylent Feline project.
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They say that mutant clone cat fought bravely against the Sentinel swarms - both times.
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I liked Tank. I was very disappointed he was killed/replaced. I tolerate Link just fine. But the actor is capable of much more. He has been funnier in other roles. Sparks was so annoying in ETM.
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starschwar 21.9.2019. 23:44
C'mon. He references Charles Bronson. He can't be that bad.
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Thinking about it, are there any funny scenes or lines in the matrix universe?
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I'm sure there were some funny dialogue in MxO
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Flood and Effectuator were amusing.
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starschwar 21.9.2019. 23:47
Two moments that really spring to mind from MXO...
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But I may limit my questions to movies, first 2 games, comic and Animatrix
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starschwar 21.9.2019. 23:48
ALl right, one MXO moment before I continue.
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Some Merv mission had you uploading some sensitive data or whatever to Flood. It isn't what you thought - it's all pornography, you'd been duped. Next mission starts with him saying, "I've finished reviewing all of the files you sent me."
LOLFACEMATRIX 2
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starschwar 21.9.2019. 23:56
As for funny moments in the films. Some that come to mind. "Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?" And the followup "digital pimp" conversation with Mouse. Smith's banter with his copies. "Me, me, me." "Me, too." "Lipstick? What lipstick?" "She wasn't kissing you on the mouth."
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I liked the training montage in the first film, some good dialogue between Neo and Tank
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"We're supposed to start you off with some operator's training, that's so major boring shit."
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basic operational programs*
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starschwar 22.9.2019. 0:01
Another humorous moment from MXO that springs to mind. This is a bit more personal, but I think it still works. So there was an event where the Effectuator was challenging players to find him in various locations throughout the city, based on vague clues. Upon announcing his last one, I discovered him hiding in the Club Avalon women's bathroom, within one minute of his challenge. He was upset and confused at being found out so fast. "It was the first place I thought you'd hide in." This led to a party. In the women's bathroom. With a cake vendor spawned.
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Metalogic 22.9.2019. 0:01
"Hey Mikey, I think he likes it."
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starschwar 22.9.2019. 0:04
Neo: Who? Oracle: Not too bright, though.
matrixredpill 1
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Metalogic 22.9.2019. 0:05
Neo did kind of "Just fell off the back of a truck into the big city" aura about him in the first movie
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starschwar 22.9.2019. 0:06
I think it works well as an audience proxy, though...
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I do laugh that a computer programmer by day, elite hacker by night would respond to "... gave birth to A.I." with, "You mean Aritificial Intelligence?"
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Metalogic 22.9.2019. 0:07
It does
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Deleted User 22.9.2019. 1:23
I doubt they will bring any of the actors who played minor character back. Also, with the WB finally realizing that being overbearing on movie production won’t help, I think they will give Lana more creative freedom.
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Metalogic 22.9.2019. 1:25
I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing
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'me too' was only funny in a bad way
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But yeah 'not too bright though' was a good comedic line
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Yeah, Tank was the only one who delivered funny lines.
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Seraph “I had to be sure you were the One” Neo “You could have just asked”
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Even Roy Jones in the ETM scene where he fights seraph is supposed to drop a funny line that falls flat.
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I just wondered where Tank got all his references, being a freeborn
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The Life cereal commercial, the pre-flight instructions, etc.
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Also no idea how 'mikey likes it' became 'mikey I think he likes it' lol
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Deleted User 23.9.2019. 14:18
If Tank was raised by redpill parents, they may have used Matrix slang / references / phrases in their speech (if the Life Cereal commercial was something present within The Matrix world). In terms of pre-flight instructions, it could be a common ritual / joke that he witnessed other redpills doing, and imitated it out of habit.
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possibru
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I mean, Zion has to have some form of entertainment right? I'm sure there's a TV set somewhere with a bunch of redpill programming on it.
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TV shows and movies from inside the matrix.
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entertainment missions
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jug in to tape episodes of The Prisoner off of TV
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I mean what else are they going to do, go through the Zion Archives for the 1,000th time?
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booooring
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I actually hadn't thought about it before but it makes too much sense for them not to do something like that
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I'm sure Zion fulfills all the entertainment needs of the freeborns.
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but then again they're supposed to be unplugged zion burning man hippie raver types
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was there a single tv in zion
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nah but they had those little jug-in boxes
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coulda done anything with them shits
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scroll up cinemas lol
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jug-in boxes?
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Yeah like Ghost and Trinity used to spar in EtM
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How would freeborns use those though?
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Yeah they can't : ( (edited)
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So yea. Freeborn had to have some form of entertainment beside cave raves.
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i'm sure they played a lot of mancala
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I just looked that up, looks boring as fuck
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Deleted User 23.9.2019. 18:15
My dad plays t haha
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*it
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Occasionally
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lol
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Deleted User 23.9.2019. 18:18
I usually beat him which is funny
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Gets boring fast
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So, do you just see who fills up the holes with rocks the fastest?
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No, you capture the other player's pieces
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You pick up pieces from one hole, and put them in one by one in one direction. If your last piece ends up in an empty hole, you take the pieces from the opponents side
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You start with 4 in each hole, and put the captured pieces in the big spot on the end
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starschwar 23.9.2019. 20:39
Freeborns couldn't jack in, except for Mauser. But that was an exceptional number of circumstances. And a retcon that Rarebit had to cover up. He was initially described as having jacks, until players pointed out that he was freeborn in the movies. Anyway, even the jaded and apathetic Cypher could read code well enough to discern the hair color (and I assume other details) of women. A well trained operator like Tank could probably just watch TV/movies in such a format. Also, image translators. They were shown being able to watch the morpheus/neo sparring in semi-real time. So I imagine that's a thing.
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the image translators work FOR the construct
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but there's way too much information to decode the matrix
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starschwar 23.9.2019. 20:41
That line delivery always bugged me. It's just a case of an actor not understanding the technobabble of the script, I'm sure, but - they could have done another take. On the same page. Trinity (with no emotion whatsover): Goddamn you Cipher.
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we only see their LCD screens on hovercrafts
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we dont see any TVs in zion
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theres no reason to watch encoded matrix if you have the data in zion
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and zion is not at broadcast depth
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starschwar 23.9.2019. 20:44
But they do have constructs in Zion. The white rooms that guide the hovercrafts in to land. So I imagine there's gotta be some sort of operator for them.
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ugh that line
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lol
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Also I never took the 'blonde, brunette, redhead' as Cypher actually being able to discern hair color, I figured he was speaking in hyperbole (edited)
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or at least some Cypher style metaphor
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Never took that literally
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you dont know, there might just be a symbol for hair color on the screen (edited)
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symbol for bust size
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There are 2 lines that bug me the most out of all the Matrix movies/animatrix. 'The image translators work FOR the construct,' and 'Operator I need an exit!' in 'Program' from The Animatrix
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They're in a construct, no need for exits
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the operator still needs to jug them out
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yeah, she doesn't need an exit tho
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Operator can just remove them
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jug them right out
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'operator jug me out!'
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that entire construct was deception anyway
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yeah
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well before it she says "Operator please get me out of here!"
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so dont think she means an exit literally
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however if she was a rookie she wouldnt have been used to saying "I need an exit" from in-matrix missions anyway so 🤷
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or something cooler like 'mr wizard! get me the hell out of here!'
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'The image translators work FOR the construct💩 '
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worst acted line in a movie goes to:
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i'd still top that with believe it or not you piece of shit
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I swear I got the DVD and rewound that 50 times trying to figure out what the fuck he was saying
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YOURE STILL GONNA BURN
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I mean
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while thats bad
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the construct thing just makes no sense
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the emphasis changes the context somehow
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like, its literally working for the construct, not ON the construct to decode it
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That shit wasn't Joey Pants' fault tho
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It's not his job to understand all the technobabble
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Directors shoulda been like 'yo it's like this'
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director should be like WTF JOE
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😄
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Jo-weee, c'mon bro
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hahahahah
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Such an easy fix, it bugs me so much I start getting annoyed before the line lol
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how did it make it past the editor?
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Like good jokes in movies you've seen a million times before, you start giggling before the joke
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the opposite lol
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But yeah just the emphasis being on 'FOR' instead of 'WORK' changes the meaning of the sentence completely
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it had me baffled
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listening over and over
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wtf is he talking about?
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'So the translators work for the construct as opposed to the construct working for the translators? The fuck does that mean, joey?'
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hahahahh
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exactly
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drinkin outta the gas can again bro?
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lol
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starschwar 23.9.2019. 21:26
Even in my fan edit, where I tried to make everything worse in some way, I couldn't help but cut that line entirely.
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haha
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lolol
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Deleted User 24.9.2019. 0:20
^nerds
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;)
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starschwar 24.9.2019. 0:20
Darn right I am.
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Deleted User 24.9.2019. 0:21
It's a good thing
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The size of conversation for a single badly acted line is entertaining
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And yeah, blame the directors
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starschwar 24.9.2019. 0:23
I mean, it probably slipped past them at the time. They were certainly hands on with minute details. THere's BTS footage of them going over what kind of hand gesture, if any, Morpheus should use for the "freeze the construct" scene.
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Deleted User 24.9.2019. 0:26
Yeah, it's suprising that no-one noticed it. I mean, maybe even the other actors might have noticed it you would think..
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The line could have been fixed in adr too, it didn't matter that the line was fucked up in production
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It's really strange that fuckup survived
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maybe that line worked FOR the wachowskis
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Deleted User 24.9.2019. 12:08
What is the value of pi? 3.1FORtheconstruct
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John Gaeta ftw
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Man I hope they ditch the bullshit full CG humans for the OG actors
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Doesn't even have to be bullet time (though those techniques would be neat), but at least John Wick style
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They only really used it heavily on the motorcycle katana scenes, they never used so much CG in any other scene before. But all the bikes they were on, and the actors were real
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That's a great making-of featurette if you haven't seen it
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Yes please god
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Deleted User 29.9.2019. 19:07
I am sure they are going to ditch the CG bullshit.
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So, they changed the casting person, the costume person and the SFX person 😦
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Deleted User 29.9.2019. 19:09
I have seen the whole making-of feature btw.
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Not stoked about that news
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Deleted User 29.9.2019. 19:10
It happens, it is hollywood.
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Kym Barret's costuming was iconic
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^^^^
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That made up so much of The Matrix franchise look
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I certainly hope she was compensated accordingly
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OK bitches, back to Rage
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Still highly recommend
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Shit's gud
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And for such an old game, damn it looks good
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And plays good
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Along with confirming Ludi Lin as Liu Kang, a new report has seemingly revealed the actors who will be portraying Raiden, Jax and Mileena in the live-action Mortal Kombat film. Hit the jump for more info.
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yeah but wasn't Mortal Kombat (1995) amazing enough?
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Best movie EVER
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New Line's Mortal Kombat has cast two of the video game's classic characters. Chin Han (The Dark Knight) will portray lead villain Shang Tsung, while Hiroyuki Sanada (Avengers: Endgame will play Scorpion.
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All other movies aspired to be that great
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image is from annihalation
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which surpasses the first in every way
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Almost any movie in existence surpasses the first in ever way
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I have to make a shame confession, I saw the 1995 Mortal Kombat movie in the theater
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no i mean
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annihalation is so much worse
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oh lol
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Is that the multi part series they were releasing that looked excruciatingly retarded?
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no annihalation is mortal kombat 2 movie
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in like 2010 or some thig?
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oh
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OH
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I did not see that
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the multi part series never finished or went past a couple of eps or something i forgot
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Good
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It was not worth continuing
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it was just like 10 minute youtube shorts which didnt mean anyhting
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The MK soundtrack actually wasn't all that bad though
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Napalm Death, Orbital I think,
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Tracy Lords,
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It was the best part of the movie
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(MK 1995)
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Thank you Rage, for crashing right at the end of a job
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When I was about to head back
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you asshead
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kill big thing, crash
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fuck, reloaded, crashes in the same spot. It's when a mission complete triggers
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You hear the mission complete sound, you hear the money sound, screen freezes, then it just crashes entirely
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ffffffffffffffffffffff
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why the fuck am I bitching about shit here
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maybe try without fps patch
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IRC has rotted my brain
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id5tweaker?
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well this is fucking irritating
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What is?
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Fucking game crashes at exactly the same moment every time
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And I'm a good ways in, too far to start over
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Trying a few methods
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Tried removing id5tweaker, tried loading from a previous save,
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It's a mission, so like, 3 bandits come at you. You blast the first two, as soon as you blast the third one and trigger the mission complete, you hear the mission complete sound, you see the money added on your screen, then hard freeze
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over and over and over and over
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Po
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Whoops my bad
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Po indeed
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Directed by Lana Wachowski. With Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss.
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No new deets yet, except this is kind of a big one;
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IMDb, the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content.
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Young Moshimo too
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So is the Matrix in its 6th or 7th version?
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Definitely reinforces suspicions that Keanu and Carrie-Anne will only be making minor appearances
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I would think if it's in its 7th iteration, the one would be someone entirely different
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I mean unless they're going to go so far as to make Neo not just engineered, but a direct clone?
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Ugh I hope not lol
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It would explain why there would be 2 different Neos at the same time. Dammit now I'm concerned lol
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But I remain hopeful
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Like not so much physical clone, but the mind.
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Wonder if Michael B Jordan still has a shot as Moshimo, from the dead Zak Penn project
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See, I thought after Revolutions, we were still on version 6
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But if it’s version 7, there could be 2 Neos
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Me too, but there's been plenty of time for another iteration in some form or another
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How so?
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And if that happened, Neo would certainly find a way to escape the reboot like other rxiles
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Exiles even
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Well my knowledge of mixo storyline is spotty at best, but peace didn't last long and things got really complicated, much more complicated than they had ever been. Some event could have precipitated the machines, or perhaps even the architect himself, to decide this is much too inefficient, and go back to the way things were before the truce
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Just spitballing
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Though that would be Deus Ex Machina's call, not The Architect I think (edited)
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Good ol' babyface
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WE DON'T NEED YOU!!!!!
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The anticipation is killing me, wondering what the storyline is going to be.
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I’d rather not know. Having said that, I’m going to make at least 1 speculation video on the subject
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Heh
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Yeah I absolutely do not want to know until I'm in the theater. Not watching any trailers.
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I never watch trailers for stuff that's by a director I really like, or something like that, trailers give away so much
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I think I am going to completely geek out over all this.
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You hear that Vesuveus? That is the sound of inevitability.
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Ugh, gotta cop a few more z's before work
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Sweet Dreams
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TWO for the price of...two
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wait wut
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the zak penn movie is still a go?
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with young moshimo?
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I thought that was dead as dead
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"Why build one when you can build two at twice the price?" -The guy John Hurt played in Contact
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Well shit, that's pretty cool, I was interested to see some early moshimo storyline
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Only bad news is Zak Penn has pretty much only done superhero shit
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That and Ready Player One
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And The Karate Kid 2 is on the way lol
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Oh god, the horrible remake?
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starschwar 6.10.2019. 0:26
Other than seeing Jackie Chan actually use some dramatic acting talent (neither the first nor last time he'd done sone), that movie was so very, very awful. Also, isn't Jayden Smith in his twenties now? So now the title would be completely innacurate. Kung Fu Adult.
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After the sudden death of Dre's old Kung Fu Instructor, Mr. Han, young Kung Fu Champion, Dre Parker must learn The Dark Stepstones of how to become a good Instructor and teach his old fellow enemies a little more than respect.
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Looks like a project that died
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Last updated April 2017
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The rest of his stuff makes me worried for a Matrix project
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Zak Penn, Writer: Ready Player One. Zak Penn's career began as a screenwriter when he sold his first script, Last Action Hero, at the age of twenty-three. Since then, Penn has become known for his work on numerous films based on Marvel comics, including X-Men 2 and X-Men: The...
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I guess some people liked Ready Player One, just looked like a lot of re-used William Gibson stuff
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I've only seen a bit of it, wasn't interested
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Look out lads, he wrote the screenplay for the live action Inspector Gadget
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starschwar 6.10.2019. 0:42
Is this confirmed anywhere other than IMDB? I've found that to be laden with rumors and inaccurate information for ages.
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The Zak Penn Matrix project?
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I've been hearing about that since like 2015 or so,
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from a few shitty articles, but one actual interview with Zak Penn
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But it actually still being a thing, I have no idea
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The only information that had been circulating was just republished interviews from 2-3 years ago
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Zak Penn, Michael B Jordan, prequel, etc etc
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But there's been zero new information for at least 2 years
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Until this thing @sixxth just posted
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Or wait, do you mean the Karate Kid 2 thing?
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I mean
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If the internet is lacking in one area, it's definitely rumors and speculation
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Ill belive it when I see it
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lol
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Needs much more of that
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fo sho
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I sorta liked ready player one
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it was a fun watch
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some cool movie stuff in there
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Agreed, RPO was not awful
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Worse things could happen than a Zak Penn Matrix movie
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The Matrix: Re-Exploded - Directed by Michael Bay
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Oh God
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Morpheus: "Neo, welcome ba- BOOM
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rolls eyes
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Deleted User 6.10.2019. 17:11
Lana has confirmed that Zak Penn's movie is in the work, but has nothing to do with the Matrix 4.
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I'm glad that's still a go, early Moshimo is fertile ground for storyline. Just hope it turns out well
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Deleted User 9.10.2019. 20:42
“Aquaman” star Yahya Abdul-Mateen II has landed one of the lead roles in the latest installment in the “Matrix” franchise. Sources tell Variety that director Lana Wachowski met with actors for the …
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I didn’t like aqua man very much
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Hope they dont cock this up
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Hes a fantastic actor
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Already pictured him in suit and glasses.
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So which Black Mirror episode was he in?
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Ah, Striking Vipers
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I did like the early scenes he was in, when he was with his pirate father. I wasn’t sure if they were good guys or bad guys.
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Something link said after the Crisis Meeting in Reloaded
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“And then the code got all weird, encryption I’ve never seen before.”
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What was he referring to? Smith copies?
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Yes
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In chapter 9, the Inteuders had encrypted code, not compatible with the current version of the Matrix
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Watching Reloaded, I think the Oracle is just a really nice bad guy
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Nah, she was a machine program who was rooting for humanity.
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The Oracle is interesting, a machine program living like an exile.
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Humanity! Humanity! H-U-M-A-N-I-T-Y! (edited)
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Gimme an H!
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Gimme a U!
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Nah, we're good
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"OK. We'll give you an M, an R, a small X, and one L."
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MRxL?
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MR XL
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heh heh
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I wonder if the movie Battleship (2012) is good in a bad way
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Like in a MST3K or RiffTrax way
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They just did one of my favorite MST3K episodes as a RiffTrax Live, 'Giant Spider Invasion'
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But I don't think I'm paying 12 bucks for a digital copy or 14 for a DVD
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I gotta catch those guys live in person, I've only ever seen one where they simulcast in a theater
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THey just never come to Florida, because fucking nobody does
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It's so far out of the way of everything
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So, in "The Dark Knight Rises" we see a police officer finding the Bat Cave. Does he become the new Batman? Is he Robin or Night Wing?
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I didn't really pay too much attention to that one,
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Batman Begins bored me a ton, The Dark Knight blew me away and I've seen it a dozen times,
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The Dark Knight Rises I wasn't really into
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Didn't really hold my interest, can't say exactly why
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YOu're talking about Joseph Gordon Levitt's character?
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I think so?
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It's been awhile since I've seen it
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I only saw it once, and wasn't really glued to it,
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but yeah I think that's the guy
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Dunno if he was supposed to be the next Batman or what
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It just didn't have the magic The Dark Knight had
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Yeah not sure
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Or BLEW JAY
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Bat Thumb wasn't the best Steve Odekirk thumb movie but it's decent
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Thumb Wars is the best I think
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Also love The Godthumb
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That's fucking great
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He becomes Robin.
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Huh, weird
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I thought he'd be Night Wing, because Robin is nothing without Batman (edited)
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Thought jgl as Robin was about the only option
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Bluejay is way better tho
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they said his name was Robin a scene earlier I just assumed he'd be Robin
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I really should re-watch that.
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Robin could become Nightwing, it happens in the comic
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Nolan left a lot up to audience interpretation in Rises, kinda like the ending to Inception.
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The cop was supposed to be a Robin like character, without the cringe of a circus origin story. Batman started to groom him to succeed him.
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I would have thought that he would become either Batman to take over, or night wing to be his own identity.
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And, I can’t remember the last thing I watched about this movie, but it convinced me that Batman lived instead of blowing up at the end.
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He did live
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He ran away with the cat woman
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halle berry catwoman, best movie ever
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Pretty sure the kids wanted an actual basketball game, not two adults grinding on one another
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I think there are more cuts than frames in this stupid scene too
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I hate extreme close-up shots.
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all of these are the least of the sins of this ridiculous scene
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god that movie was fucking awful
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why did I put myself through it lol
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Because you're a glutton for punishment?
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Morbid curiosity really, I almost gave up
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A few times
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lol
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lol
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But I just kept asking the question like, who the fuck kept saying 'Yes, this is going well!'
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'Green light! Full speed ahead!'
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I think it was meant for a more urban audience than us old white folks
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When was this made, in the 90s?
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Nah dude, fucking 2004 lolol
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And nah it was more of a girl power chick movie type thing, done really really really poorly
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IMDB rating 3.3/10
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lol
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Directed by Pitof. With Halle Berry, Sharon Stone, Benjamin Bratt, Lambert Wilson. A shy woman, endowed with the speed, reflexes, and senses of a cat, walks a thin line between criminal and hero, even as a detective doggedly pursues her, fascinated by both of her personas.
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I could see maybe a 13 year old girl enjoying it
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Eh, 13 is a little old
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10 year old?
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Yeah that's about right lol
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If you feel like torturing yourself I think you'd agree 10 years old is a good target demographic
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lol
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Deleted User 30.10.2019. 16:02
Never seen a dumber scene in my life oh my lord
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That cut to her ass twerking all over the place
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Like... how did this scene develop the narrative at all
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It doesn't
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dam gurl u bad
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also I love all the kids cheering, she scored one point
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not sure what the deal was with the ball bobbling either
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In real life, the kids would be like "Hey, we're here to play a basketball game!"
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Would you old geezers gtfo the court?
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gimme my ball back!
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MOOOOM!!!!
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Kind of weird to have children cheering you on as you grope and grind your love interest.
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yeah that tackle/top in front of a bunch of children was especially uncomfortable
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probably more than the twerking/ass grinding
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This is a dark path to go down
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I need an adult
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"Howdy Doody? He don't get no booty!"
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An interesting analysis I came across on the Matrix (including a speculation upon the 4th film): https://www.facebook.com/SymbioticCalifornia/photos/a.609430402781459/1152050451852782/?type=3&theater
"Simplifying & Relating The Matrix" -Enter Present Reality- (If you have not seen the Matrix tetralogy, the Matrix revisited, Cloud Atlas & Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth," I recommend doing...
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"You are Number Six."
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'I am not a number! I am a free man!!'
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According to Collider, Jonathan Groff ( Mindhunter , Frozen franchise, Hamilton ) has joined the cast of The Matrix 4 . Groff’s role in the film is being kept under wraps.
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He could totally play a machine role
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Manic Velocity 10.12.2019. 1:21
Too pretty to be an agent
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Don't forget Priscilla: Queen of the Desert
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Hugo Weaving was pretty fabulous
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Not as fabulous as Guy Pearce, but still
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Deleted User 10.12.2019. 15:23
You'd be amazed what a bad haircut can do to someone who is "pretty". Just give Groff an oiled combover.
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@Manic Velocity He’s a millennial Agent
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Manic Velocity 11.12.2019. 3:47
millenials are killing the matrix
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The common enemy du jour we can all set our differences aside and unite to defeat before going back to fighting each other!
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Deleted User 16.12.2019. 2:44
Not convinced by the supposed "secret source", but I wonder if there is any truth to this..
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We Got This Covered has heard from our sources how Neo and Trinity will return in The Matrix 4. Read on to find out the full details.
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Deleted User 18.12.2019. 10:04
hey!
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I’m so glad I found this server!
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Sorry that sounded awkward
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Um
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What’s your favourite film in the series?
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Deleted User 18.12.2019. 12:13
@Cooper no problem at all! I was in class, so I didn't respond
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tbh I dig the Matrix the most buuuut I didn't hate the next two either
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Definitely the first film for me, I liked the cyber noir vibe much more than the action movie vibe of the sequels
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But I still liked them
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Deleted User 18.12.2019. 14:56
I liked them as well - never seemed to get the passionate hate either
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the Terminator franchise is more messed up than the Matrix franchise atm :/
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Same I love all the movies equally
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I went to Sydney in October and watched the matrix for the first time and I busted some of the filming locations
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Manic Velocity 18.12.2019. 23:05
Nice!
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The Lady in Red scene!
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Freeze it!
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That spot almost looks weird without any twins
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The very minds of the people we're trying to save
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starschwar 19.12.2019. 0:01
"Doctors. Lawyers. Carpenters. That makes them our enemy."
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Don't forget the Sea men of the Navy
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starschwar 19.12.2019. 0:01
Wait, no - sorry. Sometimes my brain gets my edit and the real lines confused. I haven't slept well in a while.
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Remember
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I am Morpheus
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I am Spartacus!
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Deleted User 21.12.2019. 12:52
a door in our school... 👀
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Just wait a minute, it's still loading.
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THATS
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AMAZING
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why does it use cyrilic letters when actual matrix code only uses japanese
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Deleted User 21.12.2019. 22:15
Just a guess, but maybe it's not an officially licensed matrix door covering :^) (edited)
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The code rain would be the least of their worries
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But they have zero worries at all
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Doesn't matter, it's still effective
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Nobody's first reaction (except maybe us fucking complete nerds) is going to be WAIT, THAT SHIT ISN'T REVERSED KATAKANA !
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And then exclaim "Ayy Teach, yo door poster is like, SO wrong!"
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Your door doesn't spell out a sushi recipe either!!
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xfcgvhbjnmk,
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Deleted User 23.12.2019. 12:13
kdfhgjdhfgkjhdfgjk
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Maybe there is no door at all.
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I was rewatching thre film and i decided to screenshot Neo's file to see if I could see anything sdfghj
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Deleted User 25.12.2019. 8:11
n i c e
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I could transcribe it but I need time
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Deleted User 25.12.2019. 10:22
Awesome. Weird to see Neo's birth date and "parent" names
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Deleted User 25.12.2019. 10:55
exactlyyy
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nine. eleven.
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Yeah his passport expires on 9-11-2001,
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one of his parents' names is a reference to someone (supposedly) who submitted the original idea for the script
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Not like the Sophia Stewart crackpot,
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an actual writer
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Also he has two different brithdates on those props
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I'm sure it's just props dept oversight
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Or you could read into it as he haxord his birth records
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Im guess the 911 thing was either 1) random, or 2) a reference to our 911 system
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but this is like, deep track stuff never really meant to be seen I would guess
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I never bothered freeze-framing those shots
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I always thought they were pages of numbers that only the machine programs could read anyways
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or it was just pages of code or something
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right
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It's just lorem ipsum
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Nothing has any plot signitficance
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The production dept needed to come up with some official looking pages, so there they are
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The 9/11/2001 is obviously a complete coincidence,
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there are so many internet conspiracy "theorists" that think there is significance to that
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AGENT SMITH DID 9/11
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Plus this was the 1990s,
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nobody had the means to pause a single frame in 1080p/4k
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thats exactly why they thought they could get away with it !
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Right under our noses the entire time
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Their fatal mistake was forgeting about remasters
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and dee bee dees
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WHAT ABOUT HD-DVD
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:(
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I skipped from DVD straight to online streaming
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The dude's diatribe about the battle between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray from Tropic Thunder,
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I didn't even bother with Blu-Ray
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so educational
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You ain't gettin the quality dawg
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Streaming is compressed to shit
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But also I'm a freak for commentary tracks and behind-the-scenes featurettes,
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I gotta do blu-ray
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I have a ridiculous collection (edited)
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I beg to differ, the YouTube copies of The Matrix Trilogy plus the Animatrix have amazing quality.
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Beg all you want, it's not the same as a legit bluray
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the YOUTUBE copies
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lol youtube copies :D :D :D
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hahahahaha
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Pretty sure even the Blu-Rays are copies
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a copy of a copy
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It's copies all the way down
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you know how compression works, right?
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No, and I honestly don't really care.
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The last egg breaks now. The hole in your room is a hole in you. The egg cracks and the truth will emerge out of you. You have always been here, the only child. A copy of a copy of a copy. Orange peel. The picture is you holding the picture. When you hear this you will know you're in new you.
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Okay, who let Rajkosto get a hold of the weed?
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Control.
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What is the matrix?
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Control...........................
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The image translators work FOR the construct
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Honestly I never understood that jargon about the green code stream vs an actual look inside the construct program screen
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Probably because of Joey Pants' shitty delivery
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The green code is the raw data. The image translator interprets that into visible images/video. (edited)
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It doesn't work for the matrix feed, because there's way too much data to decode
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Ahh okay
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So it's like a bucket of water vs the whole ocean
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Right, but Joey Pants' delivery fucks that whole thing up
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'image translators work FOR the construct'
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it changes the meaning entirely
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it should have been 'the image translators WORK for the CONSTRUCT,'
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The image program can handle the Construct program because it's a set number of input and output. But The Matrix itself exceeds that I/O limit and the Image program crash.
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'but there's way too much information to decode the Matrix'
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no its because what is fed through the jacks isnt actually just an audiovisual signal
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the redpills for some reason are part of the processing system of the matrix
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thats why they can have powers once they are freed (edited)
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POWERS
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I think that feeds into the original idea of humans being used for computing power, not as battery
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and is why cypher can only see green code when only passively listening in/scanning
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God damn I want to know Mr. Reagan's first bluepill name
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That will never stop bothering me
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Mcdonald
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you thought it was Ronald
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but no
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McDonald Reagan
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y u say this
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Ronald Reagan
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Headcanon accepted
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Cypher's name was probably like, Bob
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Ronald McDonald
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this is Bob
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wow, that was a fucking stretch
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I mean, Neo's name was Tom
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he's a training program
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Jim Reagan
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feel free to kick his assss
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Tom Anderson
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Pubert Reagan
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The savior of Zion was named Tom
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It really shoulda been Timmy
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That wuold have been so much better
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TIM-MAY!
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Timmy Anderson
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Nah, Jimmie
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His nickname could be Jim Jam
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Neo the Jim Jam Man
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Trying to think of the wussiest names
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Cody Anderson
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nah
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Hmmm
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Billy Anderson?
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Maurice Anderson?
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Nah Maurice is too sophisticated
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Nigel Anderson?
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hahaha
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That's not a bad done
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*bad one
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Pip Anderson
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in the tutorial you kick bob's ass
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Murray Anderson
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You ARE The One!
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Talk to the rabbi, you might be the one Murray!
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Murray Broblowski.
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He knows Jew-skiu
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lelelele
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also wtf is with lkjdsflkgjdlskfgjlskfj
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"I cannot save Morpheus." "Why not?" "It's the Sabbath."
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I DON'T SAVE THE WORLD ON THE SABBATH
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Oh gods
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Could you imagine freeing an Amish person, or a Hasidic Jew? (edited)
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Now who has some good mutton
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MORPHEUS! WE HAVE TO GO TO THE CATSKILLS!
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THEY'RE LOVELY THIS TIME OF YEAR!
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That probably wouldn't happen, I'd imagine the Amish would be next to impossible to reach to be free'd
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since they rebuke all modern technology
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I'm still stuck on the Jewish Neo thing lol
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Hadn't dug into Amish yet
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lol
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If you are The One, circumsise this child.
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Smith clones waiting for Neo to show up for the final showdown,
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Neo in a horse and carriage
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'MR ANDERSON, FOR FUCK'S SAKE'
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"Now now English, no need to take the lord's name in vain."
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lololol
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english
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:D
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I don't know what they call Outsiders
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I've only heard that on The Simpsons
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'Tis a fine barn, but 'tis no pool, English.'
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"D'oh-eth!"
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That's where I got it from lol
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hahaha
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Speaking of The Simpsons, there's this one scene of Mr. Burns thinking back to his childhood days. It was 1909 and his father ran an atom smashing factory which was just a bunch of guys hitting sledgehammer onto slabs of concrete
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I loved how the early Simpsons episode would use cartoon logic
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WHAT IS THIS IN YOUR POCKETS
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ATOMS ??? YOURE FIRED FOR STEALING
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Haha
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"atom smashing" is because thats how nuclear power plants work, not cartoon logic 😛
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I get that joke, but the other joke was that they were smashing atoms with sledgehammers
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That's where the cartoon logic comes in
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IM HOMER SIMPSON, ILL JUST GRAB THESE HIGH VOLTAGE WIRES WITHOUT ANY PROTECTIVE GLOVES, BECAUSE IM HOMER SIMPSON
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Hahaha
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Frank Grimes episode kicks so much ass
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aaaand eating LOBSTER for dinner, bBLLEAGH
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This is a PALACE!!!!
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“The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is equal to the square root of the remaining side.” “That’s a right triangle, you idiot!” "DOH!"
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They tried to get someone else to play Frank Grimes, I can't remember who
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But Hank Azaria ended up playing him, which was perfect
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lol when the ambassador lost his glasses
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the madman went to the sink and didnt even wash them off
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man I miss old simpsons,
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the new seaons are pretty lame
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I wish they'd kill that goddamn show already
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imagine watching any simpsons seasons past 12
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13 was bad
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also #matrix discussion -> films
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"Must Crush Capitalism!"
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THERE WAS SIMPSONS IN THE MATRIX
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PROBABLY
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Most likely
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father, give me legs
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but i must get back to Bloodstained
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gyatt damn, can't recommend that game enough
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So, Ms Fen actually really enjoyed reloaded and the Animatrix. I think I’m making a fan
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Let’s see how she feels after Revolutions lol
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"wtf i hate this now"
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Rofl
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Deleted User 2.1.2020. 19:40
ri🅱
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hah
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feeling like showing them the matrix films and liking them should be a pre-requisite for marriage.
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Wife like matrix, but may leave me before 4 comes out. It’s coming up in our conversations A LOT
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Metalogic 3.1.2020. 19:43
The Matrix, or her leaving you?
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:03
oof
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She may leave me before 4 comes out.
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Metalogic 3.1.2020. 20:21
Nah, it's you who'll be doing the leaving, to one of those extended stay motels.
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:22
oof
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and on the other hand, my students are obsessed with the Matrix after they saw that one Morpheus meme in my class at least 5 of them watched the trilogy one of them marathoned it on his birthday party
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led the kids down the right rabbit hole, lads
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how old are these kids
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:26
12 thankfully their parents were alongside I was shook when one of them was like "my dad made me watch it" i was like "gurl no"
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I mean 11-12 was the age when I got to watch all the sci-fi classics with dad, including the Matrix can relate
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did the scorpion bellybutton and mouth scene freak you the hell out
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:30
nah
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it did me when i was a kid and watched the maytricks (edited)
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:30
oof
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one of them came up to me today and deadass went "I know present perfect tense." he knew I would say "sHoW Me"
morpheus 1
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my dad made me watch all kinds of awesome movies - because he knew I never wanted to sit still long enough to watch a movie
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Im forever grateful he did
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mom too
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she once let me stay home from school if I stayed up and watched Gone With The Wind with her lol
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So I did
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and slept in the next day
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true story
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lol
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:44
god what a mood I am thankful they weren't like "ew there's this in this and this in that"
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wait what?
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:47
parents usually nitpick movies or games these days for swear words or anything "gorey" I know it, because I deal with these parents every day I'm grateful some parents are willing to take some time to share some things with their kids and stop being helicopter parents
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oooooh
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Yeah, Im a parent as well - When theyre too little you have to be careful, monkey see moneky do
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dont want a 4 year old walking around dropping F bombs
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but, nah my folks were cool, as am I
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:48
mine were cool as well, thankfully
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let them ask questions, and see where it goes
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:49
you need to teach your kid when to say what, not filter it entirely out of their lives
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trueee
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dam the school bus is the place I worried about
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lol
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:49
lmaooo
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more going on there than the movies
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:53
lmao yes also I'd worry more about all the shitty youtube they watch or worse, the 50-50 challenges they brush upon 🙃
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(my students' youtube taste is bland af btw, smh)
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My kid watches guitar guys like Jared Dines, and gamers - Corey Kenshin etc
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and porn when Im not around IM sure lol
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 20:55
lmaoo
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but hes 17 so yeah
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time to jet
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I’m just anticipating the conversation like “So me and a bunch of online matrix friends are gonna fly to Vegas to watch part 4!”
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Deleted User 3.1.2020. 21:49
oh my goddd
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lostlocalhost (Fuse) 5.1.2020. 18:55
Great idea ves... So vegas it is? :)
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Lol, Vegas is the only place I want to visit.
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lostlocalhost (Fuse) 5.1.2020. 23:53
I keep trying to get manic to Dallas... come on folks, there's time to organize it. 🙂
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Metalogic 5.1.2020. 23:54
You need to have an EvE convention in Dallas
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I’m getting worried. I am usually not the person who brings Matrix news to the group.
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I think my fellow redpills are slipping
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Metalogic 7.1.2020. 1:36
slipping, how?
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WeGotThisCovered
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Metalogic 7.1.2020. 1:36
Seem like they
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they're trying a Sarah Conners Chronical thing with The Matrix
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Are hBO shows any good?
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Metalogic 7.1.2020. 1:42
I loved their Chernobyl series, but I think that was made by another studio, just distributed to America by HBO.
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their most recent Watchmen thing was not good
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Deleted User 7.1.2020. 7:35
@Vesuveus They are a hit or miss.
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In retrospect, I think the Matrix Revolutions gets a lot of hate that is doesn't really deserve. I mean parts of it suffered and some of the lines were delivered half assed, but Club Hell was an interesting scene.
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Club Hel was awesome. So glad they added it to mxo
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http://thematrixonline.net/ click the blue pill
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Haven’t seen that site in a long time
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I’m surprised it’s still up
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Female led?
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interesting that that's what they lead with, not MATRIX SHOW coming to hbo
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also, watchman was a shitshow, should have been great
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Metalogic 9.1.2020. 17:51
GoT was great til the last season, at least from what I've heard.
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Yeah it had great moments for sure
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the last season was always going to be hard, the world they created was so large...
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I thought the last season was ok....
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Metalogic 9.1.2020. 18:01
Yea, I've never seen it
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Deleted User 9.1.2020. 18:24
I thought GoT was a mixed bag. It started to get daft after a bit. Some characters and story arcs were good though.
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it seemed almost political at first
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I heard there were lots of boobs
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but it was at its heart a fantasy
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and yes, bewbs
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boobs and sords
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and the occasional male junk
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which, why does anyone want to look at THAT FFS
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eeeeeesh
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not a fantasy guy myself so I was never drawn to GoT
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it was good political intrugue, which is what kept me going
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then, magic
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meh
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more interesting was the skullduggery
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oh need to move to general
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Deleted User 9.1.2020. 19:22
I got bored when dragons got involved
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and oh yeah, woops
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I went to the Eumundi markets and got this
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Metalogic 11.1.2020. 4:25
Movie poster?
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Yeah
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Metalogic 11.1.2020. 4:41
Nice (edited)
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 18:39
I have the transcript for The Matrix for my next work yeah I'll so totally be printing this in the office
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 21:17
h
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lmao oops *hello
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i actually have a question i've wondered for a while and i was thinking someone here might know the answer! with the original cinema release of the matrix, what was the grading?
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 21:19
hi. and I'm not sure. depends on country?
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 21:21
ohhh yeah that's a good point. I'm from the UK but I was born the year it came out so i never got to see it in cinemas I remembered this old interview from the website and im so curious "Spark: What made you decide on the green tint for being in the Matrix? Wachowskis: It was a whole motif inspired by the phosphorous green of old PC’s." cause the og DVD is so much more neutral, the neutral/almost purple-ish grading is the one i grew up with so the green tint was sorta funny to me when it came out!
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it could've been that the DVDs were a strange transfer, but some of the scenes i've found suit the neutral look better like the dojo fight 😮
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 21:25
hmm i see
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im in the uk too
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i didnt see it when it came out though
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since i was 5
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I was 3 when I saw it
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you watched the matrix at 3 years old?
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Yes.
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I watched A LOT worse
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Like Final Destination
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And The Others
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lmao
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damb
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damn
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that must have traumatised you
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It didn't
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I thoroughly enjoyed it
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 21:58
blimey 😅
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Now NOTHING scares me
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 22:41
The first film's color scheme has changed a lot over the years with the only semi-constant being greenish for matrix, blueish for real world, but the exact extent has changed with various home video releases. (edited)
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Here's a good comparison. The original Region 1 NTSC DVD's tint was rather subtle. For the Ultimate Matrix Collection, the tinting was changed to match that of the sequels. The new 4K transfer looks... really wrong from this screenshot, but I have no firsthand experience with it.
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And as an added bonus...
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Here's approximately the same frame, from a fan-made preservation of a real 35MM film print. It's very damaged/aged, so I can't say if the colors are accuate to the original theatrical presentation, but it looks closest to the original DVD.
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35mm preserv
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 22:50
i prefer the more obvious green tint
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 22:51
wow, thanks so much for the 35mm fan print, i didn't even know that existed! i definitely agree it looks closest to the original DVD, it just strikes me as odd that the sisters seem to imply in that old interview that they intended the matrix to be green tinted from the start, but everything about the original DVD release (and this print it seems? even if it's damaged) indicates it was much more netural or purpleish- you can really see some of those hues here in the menu- the purple original logo also interests me in this regard https://youtu.be/7fOpgd1hciY
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 22:52
I also prefer the look of the Ultimate collection, as it's more consistent with the other movies. Anyone want any other screengrabs/comparison from the 35MM preservation?
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 22:52
i'd love to see a shot of the dojo scene if that's okay! 😮
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 22:53
On it.
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Dojo
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Remarkably yellow. Note the paper doors on the right are still white, so it's not just a film degredation issue. (edited)
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 22:57
wow you're right! it's so striking, it looks more similar to the ultimate collection grading in that shot
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(thanks for sending it too!)
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 22:57
Again, the film print isn't in good shape - not the green vertical scratch - and I can't say if the fans who did this were entirely skilled in the art of getting this scanned in.
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Here's one that really blew my mind.
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Neo's cubile is remarkably... blue.
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And there's supposed to be a severe lack of blue in the Matrix itself, other than the pill and Sati's sunrise, I don't think we're meant to see much of it normally.
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 23:00
wow, it reminds me of the 4K edition here ! anyone know why it ended up so... blue?
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 23:02
I really can't say. Perhaps it's possible that the 35mm is indeed accurate to how it looked in theaters, and the various tints were done after the fact? Alas, I missed The Matrix in its initial theatrical run, my first exposure being the fullscreen vhs.
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 23:02
like you said it could be a film degradation issue in that fan print, i've just always wondered what the colours in the original release were like, i've been to plenty of re-releases in cinemas but most have had just the ultimate or 4K release grading
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it was my understanding that originally the 'real' was graded slightly blue and matrix was graded green
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unless that wasn't in the original release and I'm just imagining things
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 23:04
I didn't even notice any of this
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 23:04
There is one more possibility I'd like to address.
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 23:04
ah same! although it's funny, my first exposure was a VHS recording from channel 4 here back in like... gosh the mid 2000s or so? i can even remember the motorola razr ad before it hahaha. would be interesting to see if the TV version just had the same one
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 23:06
The TV edit is a different animal together. "How about... I give you the flipper, and you give me my phone call?" Neo raises a hand with all fingers extended with awkward CGI.
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 23:06
LMFAO
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oh man i wanna get my hands on it now to see that
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Deleted User 13.1.2020. 23:07
That's hilarious 😂
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starschwar 13.1.2020. 23:12
Anyway, the 35mm preservation's end credits run at a different speed compared to the NTSC DVD. Everything else can be synced up perfectly at 23.976 fps as intended, so it isn't a technical error. It's possible the print is taken from some specific regional variant that may have been struck before things were 100% finalized, which could explain the wrong colors. The end credits are in english, so I'm assuming Australia/UK/NZ/etc. But it's not unheard of (in the pre-digital projection days) for some markets to get versions that weren't entirely the same as that of the general release version due to scheduling issues. Look up the infamous Japanese alternate ending to Mac and Me for instance. Or a more well known example: the 1978 mono audio for the original Star Wars has some serious differences compared to the original '77 stereo, most famously being Aunt Beru dubbed by a different voice actress. So what I'm getting at: the scan of the print may be accurate. But the print may not be correct, so to speak. Off to dinner with me, talk later. (edited)
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perfectvirtual 13.1.2020. 23:19
Thanks so much for all this info! You're definitely right, distribution can be a minefield esp back in the 1990s with film prints lmao
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even still, it's great to see something else from the original release era that contains those different gradings. it really interests me the idea of the original not being as green as what we immediately associate with it rn
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Just got this model of the car from the first Matrix (edited)
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starschwar 14.1.2020. 0:01
Huh, didn't know they made that kind of merch. Neat.
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Yeah I found out a week back and decided I had to have it
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Also got the soundtrack to Revolutions on vinyl
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starschwar 14.1.2020. 0:05
Music of a digital world, on analog media. So very cyberpunk.
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Deleted User 14.1.2020. 0:22
nice
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Vinyl record?
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so my original DVD, the first, rushed out version, was not only foggy/fuzzy but green. I do recall in theaters thinking it looked green as well
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green tint, of course
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Also, not sure how they are getting screen grabs, but by 4K looks green tinted as well.....but a little to sharp for me. I actually prefer the initial lower quality DVD
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the HDR "remaster" is awful, blown out colors everywhere
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pre-HDR 4K bluray was better
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its very....atmospheric, xfiles like
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I dont have the HDR afaik...have to look
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I dont love the sharp, crystal clear versions anyhow
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I end up watching a very old dvd crappy dvd
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your eyes not so good anymore
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nah it was well known that they rushed out the first CDs to make the dosh
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they were low quality copies
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i mean thats why you prefer the old and crap
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perhaps
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OR
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it just looks cooler
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because it does
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things like the scene with Trinity and the cops in the beginnig - the flashlight lit scenes look better
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Deleted User 15.1.2020. 2:45
Does anyone have any updates from production?
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I know the Matrix 4 is supposed to begin filming in February, but the Wachowski's social media profile's are cold.
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lilly isnt working on it
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so hers will be
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lana's twitter is a fake one right? i dont even think she does social media (could be wrong)
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Metalogic 15.1.2020. 3:01
I don't blame her, social media can be toxic
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Deleted User 15.1.2020. 3:06
yup
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in fact thats a guarantee
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Metalogic 15.1.2020. 3:14
Especially with her being a transwoman.
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Deleted User 15.1.2020. 3:15
yup
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I have never seen any Wachowski official social media
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However for news...
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I may be biased, but NeoMatrixology is best source. He’s pretty fast and checks his facts and sources.
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Deleted User 15.1.2020. 12:25
neat
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hopefully they'll give him something to do.
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he didn't really have much of a story arc in the films
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Metalogic 16.1.2020. 4:38
Agreed, one of the more interesting character in the Trilogy and barely any screen time.
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yeah i'm happy he made a bigger part in mxo. made his scenes in the movie more watchable
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going to be interesting if they're going to use cgi to make the actors look like they did in 2002/3 ... assuming programs/exiles don't visually age over time.
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 9:30
He'll probably just justify it with "The ladies love a silver fox".
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I wasn't sold on de-aging until I saw The Irishman, the new technique they used in that movie was pretty amazing
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Everything I saw before that looked pretty bad, or at least extremely obvious and awkward
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In The Irishman I actually forgot they were using it in most scenes
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That's the sign of good effects, the ones you don't notice
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Great news about Lambert Wilson
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 13:55
The problem I had with The Irishman is that De Niro's (and others') gait and posture still gave an old man vibe
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lol they're in their mid 70s
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 13:55
also their voices were unchanged
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They did a great job considering
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 13:56
yes so it felt a bit uncanny valley to me
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They had all kinds of coaching to move like younger men, and you can tell they put a lot of effort into shedding the old man vibe
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Huge difference from the way they move naturally
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The worst scene for me was when DeNiro was supposed to be stomping the shop owner
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That was... man
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Like Mr. Burns beating someone up
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 13:57
lmao 🥴
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BOOurns
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Also when he was making the German soldiers dig their own graves, he was supposed to be in his 20s, that was not convincing at all
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huge stretch
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But all in all, it was great
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 13:59
I need to re-watch it anyway. I tried to watch it while sleepy and realised I needed to concentrate properly.
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There's a lot of information to take in, it's a movie you definitely have to actively watch
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I need to re-watch it too, a single viewing isn't enough imo
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Also after the movie there's like an interview section, and they show some comparison shots of before and after the de-aging, it's interesting
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Also seeing those dudes not acting, and how old they really look in their natural habitat. Not just look, but move
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DeNiro is what, 75?
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Jeez 76
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If they used a technique like that on The Matrix, it seems like it'd be much more effective, they have a much smaller gap to cross
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Not trying to make Geritol Neo look like John Constantine or something
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I actually have a pretty good idea on how Exile could age.
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(If they even go that route)
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What if their aging is due to the code slowly disintegrating due to not being a part of The Source anymore?
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 14:04
"I didn't update for a while"
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"I've been hitting 'remind me later' for almost 2 decades"
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 14:04
Maybe it's just people's perception of older code
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I mean, it could work and make sense In Universe.
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and it wouldn't have to use anti-aging CGI
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starschwar 16.1.2020. 22:30
I think program shells probably age. They do mimic other biological processes.
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 23:12
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This photo freaks me out a bit
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Why?
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 23:19
Yeah why?
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those clothes
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that location
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breaks my brain
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It does look a little bit like The Addams Family
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 23:31
Ohhh okay
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Deleted User 16.1.2020. 23:43
It just scrambles my brain to see them wearing clothing they wear in The Matrix in a blatantly Zion location. And their vaguely smiling expressions make it all weirder haha
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starschwar 16.1.2020. 23:53
Oh, that's wonderful. I'll have to see if there's any footage of that kind of mismatch. Would make for a delightfully inept continuity error in my next edit.
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it's like an anachronism
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but.... not
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that is a seriously strange photo
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well technically it would be an anachronism, 1999 and 2199
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Well, they could be in an aged location in the Matrix? >.>
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ryverfaith 23.1.2020. 14:15
>jan 16
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yikes
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Deleted User 25.1.2020. 8:14
Is it possible that in order to drive up hype for the 4th Matrix that WB will re-release the first three in theaters?
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They already re-released the first for the 20th anniversary
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I think it's reasonable to think they might re-release the trilogy
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Matrix 1-3, John Wick 1-3,
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THEN MAY DAY, BABY
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I'm sure it'd be very limited release tho
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Select theaters
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Or maybe even up to the individual theaters, the theater by me that does a different classic movie ever week will probably do each Matrix movie ahead of Matrix 4
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I think I could do 7 hours in a theater.
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Does this include the Animatrix?
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Deleted User 25.1.2020. 16:26
I could totally go for several hours
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Only if it's at one of those movie theaters that have comfortable plush seating instead of the hard plastic seating with minimum padding.
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'Matrix Movies' don't include 'The Animatrix'
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They mean the trilogy
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The Animatrix was supplementary, and never had theatrical release
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Personally though, I just wanted to see the original remastered in a real nice movie theater
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If the other two were ever re-released in theaters I would likely skip them
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And just rewatch at home
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If they did this with the John Wick series leading up to JW4 I would absolutely see the first one in the theater,
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That was a sleeper hit, I had no idea wtf JW was until it was huge
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Never saw the first one in theaters
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Plus Keanu had made a lot of stinky movie prior to John Wick
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His career seemed to be in a huge slump
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That sucks
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Seems like he got typecast as the stoic action hero after the Matrix Trilogy
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wut
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no
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he did shitty movies like rom coms and that one movie where the two girls seduced him, wtf was that called
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I'm not talking about directly after the matrix trilogy, he did a lot of great stuff after that
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but there was a long period before JW where he was in a bunch of really junky movies
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absolutely not action hero shit
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As long as it pays the bill
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gotta make dat money, especially when you're starting up your own motorcycle company
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ugh, here's a good one, Street Kings
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that movie was a piece of stale dog shit
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Never saw it
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It was written by the same guy that wrote L.A. Confidential, a fucking CLASSIC
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it had all the same tropes, but really really dumbed down
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complete waterhead movie
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Elmore Leonard?
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The author?
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insert picture of dog tilting head
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Not sure, I might be getting him confused with the guy that wrote Get Shorty
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It's all exactly the same gimmicks as L.A. Confidential,
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but directed by a complete bonehead
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And written by who knows who
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It's a complete turd
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L.A. Confidential is a fantastic movie, a timeless classic
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"What did you do at work today, honey?" "I uh.... rubbed stuff all over Trinity's butt...."
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Why Monster.com didn’t alert me is ridiculous
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hehe she makes a "taht aint bad" face afterwards
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 19:03
So, what was the butt cast for?
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Deleted User 6.2.2020. 19:15
"....Science"
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I can't think of what that would have been for
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 19:40
Maybe that scene in Revolutions where she got impaled after crash landing in 01?
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It said it was for Reloaded, for a seat. Can't think of any form fitting seats
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And in the crash landing I can't think of anything that would require a butt mold, unless it was some kind of wire rig
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That had to fit under clothing or something
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no idea
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 19:55
Wouldn't be for the chairs, those are just old barbershop chairs
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clothing ?
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 19:57
Nah, those are all PVCs
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i mean for making the clothing fit best
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 19:58
OH, you know what it could be? Could be for a harness for that scene at the beginning where Trinity falls on top of the car
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That's my only other guess, that it's for a harness or something
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In motorsports, they actually do a cast of your entire backside to get a form fitting seat so that you'll be safer in the car in the event of a crash. Give you that snug fit.
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Deleted User 6.2.2020. 20:02
That makes sense actually
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 20:04
Yea, the less movement your body does in the event of a crash, the better.
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So nowadays, drivers are mostly in this cocoon type thing with HANS (Head And Neck Restraints) devices and the cars today have a lot more crumple zone
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I need a butt mold for my seat man
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 20:23
Are you in a car going 200mph?
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Nah but it'd probably be comfy
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Fastest I've ever driven was 138mph :/
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Metalogic 6.2.2020. 20:25
What's the story behind that?
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youth mixed with stupidity, racing on the interstate
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The usual
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138 is 3rd gear 🙂
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Yeah yeah lol
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 20.2.2020. 10:46
Hummm humm butt mold
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ugh
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i think having 'Furious Angels' mixed in would have been better than 'Chateau'.
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@sixxth how hard is that to do, the Debbie Evans bike stuff? She's basically slamming the bike on the ground left/right/left/right. Obviously it's on a clear track and they put the cars in later, but how the shit do you get it to slam down that quick? Is it all about tripping it with the front wheel by pressing opposite, or using your weight, or combination?
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Also seems like shit can go wrong when you're oscillating that quickly
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(trinity on the bike in the Reloaded chase going the wrong way dodging cars)
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oh sorry missed this
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very easy
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its counter steering, press left, lean left, go left
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the faster you go, the easier it works - like skiiing if youve done that
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and dont forget, she was able to charge like a mofo, because she was just turning on a mark - so nothing to adjust to
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as long as you lay off the brakes its all good
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Also, race bikes (and assumably stunt bikes) have centralized mass - meaning the center of gravity is in the middle of the bike, not down low
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between that and bike geometry (rake angle, swingarn length) and tires, these bikes are fucking twitchy, they want to lean
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my GSXR is set up this way - not great for commuting lol, but super for track days
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not required, but for nerd reading, this is a pretty good explanation of the mass idea: https://transmoto.com.au/explained-mass-centralisation/
KTM’s engine guru explains the critical relationship between a bike’s gyroscopic forces and handling.
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So the shocks compressing and expanding quickly like that doesn't get weird?
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I guess they're designed for that shit
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yeah man, these things are gas preloaded, and can be set to any stiffness - but its a double edge sword
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you need them compliant enough so you you take up travel on the transition, but you cant let the front wallow or you cant move quickly
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racers spend literally most of their qualifying laps setting up the suspension for each track
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Ohlins technicians are gods at the racetracks
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and treated like it
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of course steering dampers are standard on any sportbike off the showroom floor, and they play a part in this too, but thats deep into the topic (edited)
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Pretty cool, so it's definitely Debbie and the team that tunes the bike
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making those stunts work (edited)
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The one motorcycle stunt that always stuck out in my mind was the Terminator 2 Harley off the bridge
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That whole scene really, but it's not a bridge
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False memory
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The bridge was the semi
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great scene
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thats no normal harley jumping off that abutment lol
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900lbs + landing like that would have shattered the shit outta that frame, suspension would have bottomed out and bounced the rider off like a trampoline lol
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last comment - I didnt mean to minimize the Debbie stunt, you gotta have skill and know what you are doing, also have the right bike.
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But its not hard to get the bike to flip flop like that if you know what youre doing
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Oh absolutely, that bike in T2 had to have been reinforced to FUUUUUCK
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shes a great rider no doubt
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Lots of custom work
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hell yeah that thing had truck springs or summat
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lol
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The shocks barely compressed lol
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right, probably stiff as shit till the gravity compressed whatever was suspending it
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BLAMO
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Also the stuntman, dude took that HARD impact like a champ, pulled it off like a robot
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I do wonder if he was on descender cables
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hahahah
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it looked pretty real, but yeah hollywood magic an all dat
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It doesn't look like it, the acceleration is very real looking
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you see like floorboard or something scraping
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it does look real
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downward accel I mean
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yup
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that scene probably took hours and hours of planning imagine?
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for 3 seconds
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Also tires, would they fill them with foam so they don't burst?
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Or would they just be air?
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good question
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honestly you got me on that - its not normal use for sure lol
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stunt tires
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3 impressive seconds lol
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jumps are always cool
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lol
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movies trivialize how scary they are too
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I mean shit like that are the reason T2, a nearly 30 year old movie, is still an amazing feat (edited)
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jump off a swale and go 2 feet in the air, it feels like you are 15 feet up
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yes agreed, live action stunts, always best
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wheelies too - look easy, not so easy to do on purpose and not crash
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you cant really see lol
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"FUCK IT LET'S JUST DO IT ALL IN CG"
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"IT'LL LOOK FINE."
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ITS FINE
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THEY DONT KNOW
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😄
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So rewatching the highway chase, I remember why I liked it compared to the retardedly drawn out and boring fight scenes,
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But I forgot how much I hated that every single car wreck had to be in slow motion
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ughghghggh
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Metalogic 27.2.2020. 3:09
What the fuck is up with the whole "Speed up, slow down" bullshit that everyone seem to be doing these days?
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I hope to FUCK these guys have grown up and matured as filmmakers now
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Metalogic 27.2.2020. 3:09
Not everything needs to be so damn dramatic!
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That's something entirely differemt
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Metalogic 27.2.2020. 3:10
Still annoying
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A-fucking-greed
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But slow motion on anything like a car crash or explosion or fall or whatever,
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It's useful and effective when used in moderation
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Metalogic 27.2.2020. 3:11
It's annoying when they do it to videos of animals. Like goddamn, I just want to watch cute videos of your pets.
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In the highway chase, not ONE SINGLE CAR CRASH IS NOT IN SLOW MOTION
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I hope Lana has matured as a filmmaker
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Metalogic 27.2.2020. 3:12
In the Highway chase scene in Reloaded, the only thing that needed to be slowed down was when that Agent jumped (or landed) onto the hood of that car, and when the two semis did a head-on collision.
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Hopefully she looks back at those shots and thinks 'damn, I was an amateur'
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Pretty much, maybe one or two othe rthings
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*other things
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Not every single goddamn time a car crashed
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God damn that was so tedious
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My back hurt from slumping in my shitty theater's seat watching Reloaded
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It started out great, then it was just....oh fuck.. no.....
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Had great tidbits
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I'd love to see Reloaded and Revolutions edited together to make one movie, and remove the garbage, and just leave the gems. But whatever, we've all said that time and time again
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starschwar 27.2.2020. 3:16
I adored the chase scene, myself.
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I loved the chase
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They made up for abandoning bullet time by constructing an entire highway to film the chase
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But, it suffered from the typical Wachowski drawn-out in the wrong places
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But it did have tons of perfect moments
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But the Wachowski's weakness (relevant to this scene) is their writing. Specifically dialogue.
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The way the action played out, holy fucking shit
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I hate action movies. With a passion.
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Because it's a genre defined by dipshits like Michael Bey, etc etc. But there are movies that fit the 'action movie' genre that are goddamn brilliant films. Die Hard is the first that comes to mind.
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I saw Reloaded on release day. The very beginning I was like FUCK YES, THIS IS GOING TO RULE. Then there was the fucking zion rave, etc etc. But man, that highway chase, I was on the edge of my seat
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Plus the expansion of the universe, adding The Merovingian, Persephone, the whole asking for a kiss scene,
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Was the Merovingian in the comics? I'm still only about to start Butteryfly in the Matrix Comics 20th Anniversary Edition, and the recalled comics are supposed to be here tomorrow
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I'd guess not, these were commissioned before the first Matrix movie
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Deleted User 27.2.2020. 3:38
I'm rewatching Reloaded right now actually
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that rave/sex scene has not gotten any less awkward with time
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ugh
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For so many reasons
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Slumped so far in my seat during that scene
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I did a lot of slumping in The Matrix Reloaded
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Deleted User 27.2.2020. 3:42
it also made me realize how weird it must have been for Neo to go from thinking that Trinity is a legendary MAN in the hacking scene, to having sex with her in the basement of a rave venue in the post-apocalyptic future (edited)
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lol
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lel I think that wouldn't have taken much to get over, you are aware of someone by handle and their exploits only,
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you assume they're a guy
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TBH if it were me, and I found this legendary person I'd been aware of that I assumed was a sweaty dude with a bedroom full of Big Gulps in his mother's house,
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And it turns out she's a ridiculously hot chick
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That would be a gigantic turn-onn
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"The Trinity? That cracked the IRS dBase?"
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boioioioioing
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And you wear latex cat suits to weird goth parties?
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Deleted User 27.2.2020. 3:48
haha, very true
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Personally, the expanding of the characters was were it sorta desended into an average film for me. Like, suddenly everything that had been implied: metaphor for religion and mysticism and life had to be spelled out by characters - caricatures actually
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literary analysis for Dummies
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🙂
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which is my arguement with the whole "ghost" comment from the Oracle. "ooooh you dont mean bluepill misinterpreted the matrix changing something as a ghost, you meant actual things that look like ghosts". eeeeehhhhh ok...
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Also she says 'vampires, werewolves, or aliens.' We got our lupines and vamps, what about our aliens?
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Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens, is the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing.
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do want aliens
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(not really lol)
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I mean, you hear about abduction stories all the time with the anal probbing
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There are a couple of things I'm still confused about on that scene actually. When she says it's the system assimilating some program that that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing, what does that mean exactly?
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Also, do the programs become ghost, vampires, or lupines, after they go Exile or before?
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@bitbomb dunno wtf nightmares in mxo were supposed to be
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which came first, nightmares or the yetis
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the snow monster things
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whatever they were called
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nightmares were there from the start
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they were both the same model obv
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normal exile NPC type along with lupines succubi etc
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snow monster is an event thing/flymonster thing
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I think she’s saying that when programs and exiles are doing something that the blue pill mind can’t comprehend they see it as something supernatural like aliens, vampires, and the like
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but yeah I've only seen a nightmare on the mxosource server, I imagine peddies walked around like nothing was going on when they were around during live too
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you can just mask up as nightmare if you want
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oh shit yo, I need to find the ID
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that and the cat, I lost them shits
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I have a list posted on the forum but it's missing a bunch
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you cant lose those
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its just entries from rezmap.lta i distribute with client
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4E0001CA 00030205 "resource/characters-NPC/Nightmare/Nightmare.moa"
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oh hey
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look at that
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went off topic again this is #mara-central stuff
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I think she’s saying that when programs and exiles are doing something that the blue pill mind can’t comprehend they see it as something supernatural like aliens, vampires, and the like
@Ebola YES EXACTLY
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bruh the twins are literally ghosts tho
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but then they went and put ACTUAL ghosts and vampires in because waterheads
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thats my point
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that speech is IN reloaded, is it not ?
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and is to explain away sillyness of ghosts
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which then chase them in sponsored cars
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EHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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lol
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CADILLAC
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So how does the system assimilate outdated or corrupt programs? Is it like what the Agent tried to do with the Keymaker, they just kill them?
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well thats after he's been rogue for a long time
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"returning to the source" is supposed to like, make the collective machine AI smarter by whatever the programs have learned on their own
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or they go rogue and become exile and thus corrupt and unusable so "deletion"
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Also, does The Source ever update? Like, does The Source update and then older programs are no longer functioning, like when Microsoft come out with a new OS and breaks all the old programs that we had?
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machine ranks and individuality arent really explored much in the movies
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omg guise its a movie
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😄 😄 😄
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I really hope they explore more of the programs and exiles in Matrix 4, although I'm not holding my breath.
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ugh not me
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Honestly if I had to guess, I'm pretty sure Matrix 4 is going to be more like an action movie than anything cerebral Neo-Noir like the first one was.
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I think youre right
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Which is kind of disappointing. I'm really hoping they prove me wrong and bring back what made the first movie so great.
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100% agree
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although I dont mind action movies, but the matrix was so much more
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Agreed
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I want to watch the movie and go "Whoa" again like Neo did when Morpheus hyperjumped.
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right, that discovery phase is the best
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WHOA
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lol
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lol
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Too bad we can't all meet up and go see Matrix 4 on opening day together
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omg that would be hilarious
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@rajkosto what is the mara central topic for exactly?
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like gathering and dancing?
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talking smack
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mxo discussions
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but not matrix movie, that would go under films?
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too many rules
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its pretty obvious 🤔
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its a system of control
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shouldnt talk about mxo specific stuff in here
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ok ok
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its not even my server my dude, i didnt make the rules (edited)
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you are a enforcer
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RED username
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🙂
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I know we have different room for different topics and stuff but it's rarely enforced and I'm too lazy to enforce it.
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lol - for probably.....8? years or so we were all on that IRC chat
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it was the wild west, talk about whatever. I havent adjusted, its my bad
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@bitbomb how long were we in goat chat for mixo?
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Don't worry about it, trust me, no one gives a damn
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I try, but DAM its hard lol
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The Emulator topic is the one I try the hardest to not spam up
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well it started on DALNet then we moved to Quakenet
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DALnet was 2009 or 2010
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#mxoemu 4lyf bitches
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BO YAH
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Where do I go to talk about Animatrix? Here?
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Metalogic 5.3.2020. 23:34
#mara-central also works
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I thought Mara was for MxO
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Metalogic 5.3.2020. 23:35
or The Matrix in general
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Anyway, I’m rewatching Animatrix and it might be the best Matrix product to come out of 2003
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It’s straight up gorgeous
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Metalogic 5.3.2020. 23:36
Agreed
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I only rewatched Second Renaissance so far but daaaamn it is so good they could make an entire trilogy just about that
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I really wish we get Animatrix 2 next year. No bad videos games this time Wachowskis, just Animatrix.
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“We demand it.”
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Beyond is my absolute favorite, probably because it reminds me of a lucid dream
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a parking lot 😦
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The way they depict the moment of lucidity strikes a chord
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Metalogic 6.3.2020. 0:31
Is Beyond the one where they try to reprogram a robot to love humans?
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No that's Matriculated
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no its the parking lot
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Metalogic 6.3.2020. 0:31
Oh the floating can thing
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Beyond is the one with the 'haunted house'
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the glitch house
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yeah
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Metalogic 6.3.2020. 0:31
Okay yea, the one where the girl was looking for her cat
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That moment where she 'gets it' and falls/floats, and knocks on the ground, I dunno man
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it's like when you realize you're dreaming and suddenly become fully lucid and can do anything, change night to day
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The way your hands look when you look at them at that moment, I dunno. It's just the way that one struck me
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But I loved Matriculated too, the whole “A mind that is stretched by new experience can never go back to its old dimensions" thing
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Exposing the captured machine to a series of experiences designed to expand its consciousness
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The one that looks like Aeon Flux (because it was animated by the Aeon Flux guy)
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That's how I took that one anyway
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The chick that played the main character was awful tho, the voice actress
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Maybe it was exacerbated by the bad lines of dialogue, I dunno. Super stiff
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Were any of The Animatrix stories from the comics, or were they all original? I have to get back to those
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Except B166ER in The Second Renaissance pt 1 of course (edited)
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All originals
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The Wachowskis wrote Final Flight of the Osiris, Kid’s Story and The Second Renaissance, I believe.
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No, I mean was any part except the B1-66ER story from the Matrix comics
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Metalogic 6.3.2020. 1:41
I think B1-66ER is the only connection between The Animatrix and The Comics
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I haven't read them all yet
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Aw
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Metalogic 6.3.2020. 1:41
Not 100% sure on that
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Oh ok. Not that I know of... Last time I looked at the price of the Matrix comics in my country I ran away.
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Well there's a 20th anniversary re-release that has almost everything. Lots of stuff that was never printed before, it's hardcover, $40
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I should get them someday. It’s the only Matrix thing I haven’t seen.
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It lacks 2 stories that appeared in the banned/recalled Matrix preview comic though
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Why was it banned? I had no idea
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The comics content exceeded the rating of the film
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The comics were given out at the premiere of the film, but the comics would have been well beyond rated PG-13
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So WB recalled and destroyed them
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Cowards.
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lol who wants to get sued
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They had to
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28 in the hardcover 20th edition, most of them were only ever published online
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I thought there was like 3 numbers
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Oops it’s actually two
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Yeah those were printed later, regular comic book style format
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So the anniversary hardcover includes everything that was printed and lots that was never printed,
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EXCEPT 2 stories from the Matrix preview comic
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Like Déjà Vu doesn't appear in the collection, but it's in the preview comic, and The Matrix Comics Vol 2 (edited)
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Vol 2 has a story where Morpheus trains Kid. That connects comics and movie
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And that’s how EPN was founded
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Metalogic 6.3.2020. 2:01
Nah, EPN was founded soon after Cryptos had his mind overwritten
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I was kidding. Imagining Kid founding EPN because Morpheus kept kicking his ass haha
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@Vesuveus Do you know which story that was?
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The Matrix Comics Volume 2 is a printed collection of eleven comics and one short story set in the Matrix universe, with two additional preview comic strips also by the publishing company Burlyman...
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I know there is a story with young Morpheus I read once but had no idea he also was in one with Kid.
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I Kant is a comic written and illustrated by Kaare Andrews with 3D models and compositing by Ron Turner, color design by Dave McCaig and letters by Comicraft. As one of three stories only...
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That's the one
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thats a mean looking mopheo
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Deja Vu was in the theatrical comic preview and volume 2
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Also I'm retarded, Deja Vu is in the 20th Anniversary collection
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Also I Kant, the one you're talking about, is also
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So what is it about?
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I haven't read either yet, 'Deja Vu' is 15th and 'I Kant' is 25th in the 20th Anniversary Collection. I just started reading it lol
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That's the first I've read of The Matrix comics
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I'm not a comic guy
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The only comics I own are The Matrix 20th Anniversary Collection, The Matrix Preview, and a fucking Hawkman comic signed by Richard Howell when my dad met him (edited)
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I remember that they used to put Matrix comics online on whatisthematrix.com the old official website in like 2001 but I forgot all about them. Then again, I was 14.
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I used to collect comics. I think I have all matrix comics
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Vol 1&2, preview, 20th Anniv, the mxo fanzine, a few guide books and I’d like to find the PC mag issue with the burning eye code
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nice
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wanna buy my signed Hawkman Superman crossover comic? lol
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Superman shows up on the last page, signed "richard howell '93"
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I’ll pass. Haven’t collected comics for collector purposes in a long time
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Tried to get my kids into comics, but they not interested
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lol I'm not even sure where it is, also nobody cares about Hawkman
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Completely joking
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I’m sure hawk man has his fan base
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I just thought it was neat that my dad met a comic book artist in his business doin's
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when I was like... 12?
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And dude was like 'let me give you one for each of your 3 kids and sign them'
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That’s really cool
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damn, and you got hawkman
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not the favorite kid
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😄
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Hawkgirl was pretty famous when they did the Justice League cartoon. Hawman, not so much.
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lol @sixxth all three of us got different issues of Hawkman
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hahahah THEY HATE YOU ALL
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😄 😄
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Something I always forget: Neo’s blue pill name is on the bench at the end of the movie. It’s weird it doesn’t say “Neo”. Only Smith called him Anderson.
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Metalogic 7.3.2020. 13:17
Probably to not freak out the bluepills
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“I saved the two worlds and all I got was this lousy bench”
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Metalogic 7.3.2020. 14:53
"They should've erected a golden statue of me."
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erected
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Hehe
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Done! Which do you love? Which do you hate?
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♣♥♠♦ 11.3.2020. 10:13
they are all cool
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this looks a bit funny tho
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i need to watch animatrix
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You forgot some. Wait
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Not really posters, more like promotional pictures from the films
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I really like that one but I can’t find him in HQ or on sell anywhere
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can’t find it*
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♣♥♠♦ 13.3.2020. 0:33
neo 1
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what happened to nio
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♣♥♠♦ 13.3.2020. 0:34
took a bite quite tasty
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I have this box set too and also a Smith bust (which apparently cost a lot nowadays)
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That is really cool! Love Smith. He is the best. Take good care of him
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Persephone, you can't fit all those grapes in your mouth!
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Deleted User 14.3.2020. 22:21
Why would anyone eat grapes like that 😂
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Persephone, you can't fit all those grapes in your mouth!
@Metalogic I think she can fit anything in her mouth she want.
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kinky
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Why would anyone eat grapes like that 😂
@Deleted User The right question is “why not?“
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It is feminism, not kinky.
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She doesn’t have to fit anything in her mouth.
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But if she wants it she can do it anyway. (edited)
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Deleted User 14.3.2020. 23:16
"Eat this grapes in a tight suit ..... for feminism!"
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If we believe in ourselfs woman can do everything. It will take time and work but it will all work out!
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grapes suzette I guess?
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I don't understand this verbally.
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In Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992), Monica Bellucci plays one of Dracula's brides who seduces Jonathan Harker, played by Keanu Reeves. In Matrix Reloaded (2003), she playes Persephone who sedcuces Neo who is also played by Keanu Reeves.
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keanu is a lucky guy
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sedcuces
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@rajkosto That is what normal people would call it but ones you got sedcuced by Persephone for real you know better.
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 0:53
so theres one thing ive been wondering...has there ever been any explanation on why the size of the city has increased so drastically between matrix 1 and 2?
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Deleted User 19.3.2020. 0:55
Do you even see the city in Matrix 1?
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 0:58
yeah from the gov building while smith talks about the first matrices
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and during the part with neo and rhineheart
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Id guess it didnt increase, it just a feature of the 2nd film - even Link mentions staying out of downtown
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and it turns out that Mulpha is an actual Australian company, didnt even try to hide it
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 1:10
yeah guess they figured most people wouldnt be familiar with the name so it might as well be something completely fictional
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taking a wild guess regarding city size id almost say its kind of an awareness thing, not just seeing the regular usual city but seeing things from a broader perspective now
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meaning: the whole surreal mess this whole thing actually is
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Deleted User 19.3.2020. 1:24
I thought you meant Zion, or the Machine city.. my bad 🙃
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 1:24
no worries
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I’d say budget is probably the main reason
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Seems like in the first movie, the city didnt really matter. We were discovering the true nature of the matrix and Neo's role. The landscape was unimportant to the story....
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Yeah, I think it just comes down to scope
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The first movie's scope was fairly narrow, and broadened a lot in the sequels
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It was all out there, you just didn't see it
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 17:57
makes sense, although in a movie series with that much attention to detail i thought it was noteworthy
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 18:04
ive always been fascinated by the overall city architecture
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idk on one hand it always felt so overwhelming and generic, on the other hand for some reason it seemed much more like a habitat than many other fictional places
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Kind of wish the city was more closely designed to Chicago
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That looks like a uterus. What is it?
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I dunno, but I really wish MegaCity was more like the cities of GTA, where it's more of one unit instead of being divided up like it is now
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 18:52
thats megacity from the matrix revolutions intro
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And the MxO map
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must be a pain to live in the tips
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can't get anywhere without a long drive in one direction
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like living in Florida, takes forever to get out
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Does anybody knows where that’s from and if a higher quality version exists?
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Deleted User 19.3.2020. 20:04
whoooa this is cool
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is that Nov 12 2011 or Nov 12 2014
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Haven't seen 'the burly man' like that, the publishing co is Burlyman
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Wonder what 'bank tower' is
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Is that where the door to the architect was?
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David T. Gregory 19.3.2020. 20:13
might be yeah
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would explain why neo is flying such a long way
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Where'd you find this? Looks like it's from a video
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The Burly Man was the production name of Reloaded/Revolutions, I believe
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Like Matrix 4 is Project Ice Cream
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Yeah the project code name
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Maybe that says Nov 12 2001
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The year is really hard to read
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That would make sense, a map they made during production of the squeakuels
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It would make sense that it says 2002, when the movie was in production.
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Yep
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Pre-prod tho
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I’m watching Revolutions’ behind the scenes to see if that map is in there
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also Reloaded filmed in 2001
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2001-2002
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It's definitely not a 2 on that map, though it's hard as shit to read
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Matrix films are coming back to the Netflix
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They've been on Netflix for a while
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Like a month or 2
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In the US anyway
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Maybe longer actually
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Maybe they briefly got removed? The whole trilogy was up
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No Animatrix tho
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lol Bloodsport
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"OK, USA!"
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They’re on Netflix in France too
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I’m still watching Revolutions’ behind the scenes documentary and omg it’s so boring compared to the first movie’s documentary
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One might say it’s like Revolutions
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omg there is a trailer for MxO at the end!
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I can’t find it on YouTube but it’s this: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5325378/
Directed by Josh Oreck. With Paul Chadwick, Toby Ragaini, Joel Silver, Travis Williams. This making-of piece gives comments from Monolith Software CEO Jason Hall, lead designer Toby Ragaini, producer William Westwater, movie producer Joel Silver, writer Paul Chadwick, Warner ...
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Yeah this very famous thing about a game nobody played in the DVD of a movie nobody has watched
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famous around these emulation circles
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rip a better quality version off netflix pls
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I’m still looking for this in HQ. I’ve watched all the Revolutions bonus on both my box sets but there was nothing.
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Deleted User 20.3.2020. 15:27
Couldn't that mega city map easily just come from some ancient fan vid on youtube? Who says it'a official?
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All the production logos
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Deleted User 20.3.2020. 15:48
Very easy to stick some production logos on no?
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Why would you put real life production logos in your Matrix fan film?
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I could be wrong but the picture was posted on Matrix forums in 2004 so around the time the behind the scene stuff came out
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i guess you havent seen that before
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Nope!
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What is that from?
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just a texture in mxo (edited)
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This vagina glyph sure is intriguing
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looks more like bull head with horns to me (edited)
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It also looks like a lot of things like The Holy Grail or the Mercury symbol
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Wait there is a new zone called Industrial?
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its an early design texture, never ended up with any of those
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I still can’t find the damn glyph in the behind the scene!
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unclear.
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the pitch meeting series is one of my favorite on youtube, so many good ones
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SolivagantX 24.3.2020. 14:21
that megacity glyph is definitely from a real behind the scenes thing
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it also appears on revolutions during the title sequence
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I have a few questions about the Kid if anyone has some time.
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Sure go ahead
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how the hell did the kid know so much about neo. if the kid got himself out, how did anyone but the machines know he was out? who made the phone call? Who answered his question? He knew so much. Hell, even Trinity in the movie asked this. How does he always know? is he a mini One? weird powers that transcend between matrix and reality the way Neo can see and stop the machines outside the matrix? is he evidence that the remainder continues to grow and if does so unchecked EVERYONE can be a One?
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I think the Trinity comment was ironic, not meant to be taken literally. Like, every time I need to use the restroom for work, its closed for cleaning - how do they always know?
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okay, ignoring that, what else?
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Good questions. Machine programming is an option. But I haven’t seen anything that implied he has any special powers than any other Redpill, besides the self-substantiation thing. But no dialogue is a mistake. Trinity asked that question purposefully.
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David T. Gregory 1.4.2020. 13:07
in kids story of the animatrix it was shown that he was contacted by neo anyway, so maybe they were watching him already and acted as soon as he got out
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maybe some kind of blind search since he didnt take a red pill to indicate where his body is located
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how does he know...guess hes a huge fanboy
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Metalogic 1.4.2020. 13:10
I really hope that if The Kid comes back in Matrix 4, that he's a bit more gruff, a bit more hard bitten.
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His Neo fanboyism was annoying as fuck
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David T. Gregory 1.4.2020. 13:10
keeping track on any major development in neos life. people do that all the time with celebrities, imagine what its like if you got a literal jesus walking around.
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Metalogic 1.4.2020. 13:11
I think The Kid was more in love with Neo than Trinity was
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David T. Gregory 1.4.2020. 13:11
definitely
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also, honestly, who knows what the mere presence of the one triggers in the matrix. they said that theyve freed more people than ever during the beginning of reloaded, didnt they?
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Metalogic 1.4.2020. 13:14
I wonder how many of those were forced awaken though, like, I'd imagine seeing Neo flying around would kind of force you awake, or the machines would have you wake up and convince you that it was a dream.
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David T. Gregory 1.4.2020. 13:15
that could be easily explained to anyone who doesnt want to wake up though...publicity stunts, hallucinations, neo is actually an airplane, an RC plane or whatever
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thats one of the points, if you dont want to believe, youll eat any kind of bullshit, just cause you choose to
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Metalogic 1.4.2020. 13:16
I could see some over-zelous forced awakenings though.
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David T. Gregory 1.4.2020. 13:17
theyd just die, honestly
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either that or theyd off themselves
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or when back in zion they go on a killing spree or something, leading to forced awakenings being banned at the penalty of death
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but i cant imagine anything else besides a fatal result
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of course this is valid for the pre-truce universe only, the fact that after the truce you can go in and out as much as you want may lessen those impacts
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The Matrix, Episode 4: The Forced Awakens
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Noooooooo
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If they were watching him already, why did neo say he got himself out? Also, all the freeings, the redpills seeing Neo do all those things (He flies, he possesses Smith, comes back to life, then resurrects Trinity) surely soemone would look at the code and say, "Oh, that's how he did it." then do it themselves.
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redpills cant change their RSI code
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and neo had real-world augments that let him do the things he did too
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David T. Gregory 1.4.2020. 20:07
my guess is the whole process of kid waking up went something like this: neo etc are watching him on their screens "ah damn guy just jumped off the roof. too bad, he had potential" "wait a minute, thats not what a dead guys code looks like...could it be...screw it, lets search for him just in case"
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in the end the kid had such a strong belief in neo that the matrix was unable to tell his brain that hes dead
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Anyone else see that video where it is suggested that Sati is the One?
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Not sure. Got a link?
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Also, the Animatrix episode World Record showed someone waking themselves up.
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Since Kid never actually took a red pill, does that mean he’s not a Redpill?
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The red pill is a trace program so a hovercraft can find the body in the powerplant and intercept after flushing. Considering Kid is seen on board the Neb, they must have found him another way. Ive never read how.
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Some sorta spoilery ideas in here, but many of you would be interested:
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Metalogic 6.4.2020. 13:41
Why you remove the link?
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eh the spoiler is in the URL lol
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can I mark a link as a spoiler?
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and if so, how
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Metalogic 6.4.2020. 13:42
We do have #the-matrix-resurrections channel
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Also || on both end
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agree
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lemme try there
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This is interesting
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Metalogic 8.4.2020. 20:16
But I like the 4KUHD edition (edited)
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You can count all the pock marks in Morpheus' face.
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:19
so ive seen a couple of theories that theres nothing beyond megacity in the matrix, that the freeways are actually a loop etc...what do you think
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Dark City/The 13th Floor style? (edited)
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:22
exactly
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Well, there is the Chateau which was either 300, 500 0r 800 miles away (don't remember) and Neo flew from there while in the Matrix and makes no reference to an archivist or book buying or phone booths, so I would say that it stretches at least to there. There are mountains. And an airport somewhere.
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Pretty sure it was 'about 500'
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sounds likely
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:27
thing is: you ccould theorize that theres just enough uninhabitable land around the city so nobody even dares to venture outside, which could include mountains
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barrier terrain, like the water in The Truman Show
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:28
and everyone who gets on a plane is just taken out of commission for the amount of time they wouldve spent elsewhere and returned with fake memories of europe, asia, etc
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yup
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i see you enjoy your simulated reality movies
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I thought that was a commonality among Matrix nerds lol
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Kinda required reading
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:29
idk, maybe some people found the matrix through their fondness of scifi/cyberpunk itself, not necessarily through the simulated world aspect
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cosi-cosi
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yeah, both for me
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It is tough to find good cyberpunk, you definitely learn to love cheese
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Hardware, Death Machine, Johnny Mnemonic, etc
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:32
for me it needs to have some basis in reality
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terminator which takes place in this world, matrix which simulates it, star trek which is an evolution of our world...
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Ghost in the Shell is a good example of non-cheesy cyberpunk
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Too bad Neuromancer never got made
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I wouldn't call Star Trek Cyberpunk
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I think he meant sci-fi
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:35
i was talking about sci fi in general
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Ahh okay
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Terminator isn't cyberpunk either
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I wouldn't call it
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Although a Cyberpunk Star Trek would be kind of badass
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It's sci-fi fo sho
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Cyberpunk has a pretty fuzzy definition tho
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A crew trying to explore strange new world with a barely held together space ship
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Ice Pirates
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beat me to it lol
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 20:36
personally im not that much into fiction, be it literature or movies, but if i find something i enjoy then im all in
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pagesix1536 15.4.2020. 22:02
The Merovingian has an affinity for French stuff, which implies that there's an awareness of France.
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It only implies there's an awareness of pre-war France (edited)
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Maybe in-matrix France, since the redpills knew the place he was talking about
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90s era France
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pagesix1536 15.4.2020. 22:14
Well, come to think of it he's a program.. he said he only sampled many languages and settled on French. Doesn't really mean he or anyone else has actually been there.
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That's how I always took it
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Sampled it, and way before the 6th iteration timeline
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pagesix1536 15.4.2020. 22:19
so ive seen a couple of theories that theres nothing beyond megacity in the matrix, that the freeways are actually a loop etc...what do you think
@David T. Gregory Plausible. While the Mobile Ave subway station wasn't technically IN the Matrix, it's based around concepts and code from The Matrix... and it's a loop, at least for Neo when he tries to walk down the tunnel and ends back up at the station.
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The problem with "There's nothing existing beyond MegaCity" is the fact that in the first Matrix movie, a news article flash across Neo's computer screen of Morpheus being spotted in Heathrow Airport
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Heathrow Airport is in London
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 22:23
true but you can fake that
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There's also a Matrix comic story about a bluepill that lives in England
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I think it's called Goliath
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 22:24
are those stories canon?
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Yes
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 22:24
cause if so then my question is answered
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always was under the assumption that they arent
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I think it'd be silly to assume that the machines just have one city. My thinking is that there are multiple machine cities throughout Earth, and they each control a part of The Matrix.
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Like Zero One controls MegaCity, there may be another one that controls London, another one controls Hong Kong, etc.
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 22:26
that actually makes a lot of sense
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and id assume every continent has its own pods then
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Deleted User 15.4.2020. 22:27
I've always assumed linguistics aspects were kept, because they are a part of cumulative culture But lmao, the origins of these in the Matrix is not reflected and people are just unaware These are set, but by whom, and where? People don't really think about these. And yes, the idea that the Machine have bases, seconded
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pagesix1536 15.4.2020. 22:28
lol... Blue Pills being SCP'd to another machine mainframe on the planet when they want to travel.
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I mean, why not? The I/O speed must be insane
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2020. 22:28
perhaps plane flight only take that long because of loading times
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pagesix1536 15.4.2020. 22:28
Yes!
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Like, top of the line Internet speed
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The machines would def. have the entire globe wired
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Deleted User 15.4.2020. 22:29
^
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Might also depend on whether you treat MXO as canon, and accept the Oligarch story....
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I like the one about the Matrix processing power insufficient for redpills/smith. I think they got that from @starschwar
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starschwar 18.4.2020. 22:52
I'll give this a listen later - but if that's the notion that bullet time is lag, I did not originate that notion, I just heard it a long time ago.
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They mention cgi rather than bullet time
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I like that link you posted @pagesix1536 I wonder why they never included the mero mansion in mxo
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It's kind of cool to think, if the game really took off and they decided to build another area to go to that was primarily for when you've hit level 50 I.e hideouts for higher tier pvp gear and perhaps special kinds of mission areas for missions that took several 50s to Infiltrate to complete then it would have been amazing
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I mean once you hit 50, there wasnt much to do really. Pandora boxes was great, sleepwalker gear was cool too
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But there wasnt a huge lot of variety with special gear really when you think about it
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All of those hideouts dotted about the maps and none of them had decent enough gear for once you max leveled
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It was all just for when you was leveling.
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Archieves where cool additions admittedly and are a sort of substitute for what I'm talking about I guess
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They could have done more with the white halls as well, like a mystery door kind of thing that sent you to a location for a limited time to fight enemies, collect gear and then teleport back the map when you were done
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I'm writing all this in the wrong location my bad.
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2020. 20:09
you guys think the president and other top politicians in the matrix were actually programs?
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@David T. Gregory Gods I hope not.
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 14:35
it would make sense though to have key figures in the government as programs
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the agents are representing a govt institution as well
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How do you explain some of our more...stupid government leaders?
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Like, I seriously doubt any program would be Trump
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 14:37
well...guess thats the cataclysmic system crash the architect was talking about
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I think he was referring more to the blue screen of death in that instance
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 14:37
denial of basic scientific realities is how the rejection of the matrix by people starts
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my guess is that the president is kind of an adaptive thing responding to current mentalities, mirroring them in some way
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cause you cant have a democratically elected leader without them representing at least part of the population.
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thus you have a semi automatic process corrupted by people rejecting the matrix
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so im basically declaring hardcore right wing fanatics to be potential redpills. and now i hate myself for it
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Hahaha
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 14:42
but back to what i was originally going to say:
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i think govt institutions need a blend of humans and programs to be working and believable. for example the agency, fbi, whatever it is the agents are operating under. if you only have 3 guys in suits running the whole thing it wouldnt be very believable
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so i guess humans work for them as well, only in positions where they cant do any harm to the system. people who want to become agents are relegated to desk jobs while the field work is being done by johnson, thompson and jackson
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so you can join the FBI, youll just never make it to the cool jobs. same with political parties, you can join the dems, the repubs, but the most youll ever be able to achieve is to become the mayor of the bumfuck district of the ity where nothings going on
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Yep, people on the left love to be under control of the System so the right wing and libertarian folks who question every thing would definitely be the Red Pill candidates. As I said in another section, Alex Jones is totes RL Morpheus.
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Alex Jones can't even lace his shoes properly.
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No way is he Morpheus.
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That's because most shoes are made in China
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Alex Jones is more like Cypher. He'd fight to go back to ripping people off for grand profits.
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Tying a shoe is restricting its freedom of movement, real patriots wear sandals.
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In fact, Cypher was going to be put back into the Matrix as Alex Jones.
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Freedom of toes, freedom of movement, freedom of smell
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I'd like to see Bill Burr play a new version of Cypher
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I don't know about that. I got some ranky smelling birks.
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I'm into that idea.
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 14:57
the thing with conspiracy theories, alternative news etc is: if you dont buy into mainstream bullshit, but you go all in on alternative bullshit, it doesnt make you smarter or more enlightened cause youre still eating up bullshit
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I avoid all of it.
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Thats what they want you to think
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 14:58
real truth transcends left vs right, mainstream vs alternative
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I'm no worse off than anyone else who watches any of the network news's. They're all for advertising dollars. They're all lying to you all the time.
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lol I'll shut up, I'm derailing
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Alex Jones is doing the same thing, except he pushes his product from his stores as the cure to the problem he talks about on his show.
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Dude is rolling in the money
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That's a really nice way to put it.
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:00
"super male vitality doesnt turn the frogs gay! only mosquitoes and who needs them anyway, right?"
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He's a con artist, a flim-flam man.
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Dunno why @Ebola is comparing him to Morpheus, Morpheus was a true believer, Alex Jones is like a Televangelist for conspiracy nuts.
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Because I choose to.
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for the lolz
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it's okay
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:02
theres only one way to find out whos the real deal
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if they wear fancy leather jackets theyre for real, if they ramble incoherently theyre fake
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Do people still wear leather?
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:03
no idea
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other than welders
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Joe Exotic
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Leopard print leather is next level.
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No one should model themselves after Joe Exoitc
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:05
who the hell is joe exotic anyway, ive seen that name all over reddit as well
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I think he got a bad wrap
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Here is Morpheus and Trinity spreading the truth
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RL Morpheus and Trinity
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You're better off not knowing.
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:05
sounds like a pro wrestlers name
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I'd go one deeper, sounds like a pro wrestler's manager's name
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:07
well he looks like DDP on crack
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DDP was on crack.
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:07
okay DDP on more crack
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and meth
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meth ftw
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:08
so he wanted to get the CEO of a nonprofit killed for....what reason exactly?
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#1 rule about Tiger King is you DO NOT talk about Tiger King.
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THAT GOD DAMN BITCH CAROLE BASKIN
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SHE WANTED TO SHUT DOWN HIS ZOO
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AND TAKE HIS TIGERS
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David T. Gregory 23.4.2020. 15:10
alright just let me say this: this whole thing already sounds like someone was playing boggle with names, professions and crimes
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fuck this timeline, srsly
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Id love to, it's the hottest and sexiest timeline
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It is sexier than the Terminator timeline, but I think the Cloud Atlas timeline might be giving us a run for our money.
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numb3r5ev3n 24.4.2020. 16:16
yeah I do not get the appeal of Tiger King. No shade on those who do
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I think for some people, it's like watching a train wreck
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I only know of Tiger King through Last Podcast on The Left
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I haven't watched Tiger King
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I thought it was some retarded Danny McBride character
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Then I found out it was real. And all the people telling me to watch it tell me exactly why I shouldn't watch it
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'watch white trash scumbags to white trash shit!'
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I'm just wondering how he's able to get husband
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There's a constant trainwreck going on, who needs tiger king lol (edited)
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Yea, but the constant trainwreck is actively trying to kill us
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At least we can safely distance ourselves from Tiger King
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That's just one car
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corona is just like, the dining car of the trainwreck lol
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lol
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numb3r5ev3n 24.4.2020. 18:31
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you want me to inject WHAT?
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inject disinfectant yo, if it kills viruses on surfaces obv it cures the disease
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He gets the husbands by pumping them with drugs and letting them pet tigers.
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There’s another tiger guy in there that does the same except with young women and has six wives that live on a compound
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I got an orange tabby, anti-depressants, antibiotics, and over the counter pain medication. What does that get me?
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OH, I got CBD Oil
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Literally what I posted right above you!!!!
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nuh uh
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I dont know what youer saying >_> that screenshot just repeats what I said lol I posted it three hours before you, it's no big deal though
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there's a timecode in mine
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to a specific place in the video
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Batteries lol
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Yeah... I don’t believe a single thing this guy is saying. Sorry.
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It's on the interwebs. It has to be true.
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It seems true that they offered him a very small amount of money for a couple movies, which sucks. He flaked out though, and thats on him.
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AMC just banned universal from playing any future films at their theaters due to their plans to release their movies on VOD after the corona virus ends!
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I mean, the movies aren't making any money just sitting there
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I really hope they start releasing movies on VOD during this pandemic.
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They have been. You can get new releases through Amazon VOD and Fandango. Just need a TV or set top box that you can install the apps on.
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They started at $20 a pop, but have backed down to like $7.
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Really hoping Spiral gets released on VOD
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Just watched that. These are so funny!
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David T. Gregory 14.5.2020. 2:11
there is one thing that always fascinated me about the movies: the sets
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this generic yet uncanny valley style design of the urban environments
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it really feels like it all was made by machines that had a rough idea of what a city is supposed to look like, yet nothing more
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debir court is one example IMO
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its a place for daily use yet still feels sterile and unreal, even though all the objects were definitely somewhat worn out
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cant really pinpoint what exactly makes things look that way but...yeah
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mxo captures the feeling pretty well
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although due to everything being based on a square grid it leans more towards the artificial side
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Does anyone have a dvd copy of the matrix? i need a confirmation on something? I think besides changing the color palette for the bluray, they also changed some stuff in the fight between morpheus and neo in the dojo program.
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That would be odd. I've got the DVD. At work atm tho
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Deleted User 9.6.2020. 19:34
just found this server, the Matrix is by far one of the greatest stories I have ever seen. They are so iconic, yet I feel they've been forgotten
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oh, it's been confirmed by the wachowski's that they changed teh palette, but i just noticed something on the bluray, and I don't have a dvd...soi want to see if it was changed as an afterthought. just watch the dojo fight carefully. i don't want anyone focusing on anything and being guided by my own suspicions. just tell me if there is anything different in the fight...somethign that shouldn't be there...yet
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from a story point of view that is
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I haven't seen the bluray, but I did see the theatrical rerelease
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But just once, when it was rereleased last year
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@thkaal story? Or continuity?
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I can't think of anything off the top of my head since it's a program in the construct
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@bitbomb Well, that's the thing, It doesn't seem to fit either since ...well, if i told you why it would fit both, it would might alert you to it. Just carefully watch the fight thing, especially Neo.
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lol ok, the one on Netflix is the BluRay version right? I've seen the DVD version a zillion times
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If Netflix isn't the BluRay version then I'll have to find it
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Metalogic 10.6.2020. 1:04
The YouTube version is the latest 4K version.
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I have a dvd, I think the ultimate collection. I can rip and post
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Also, Neo shot first.
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Deleted User 10.6.2020. 1:56
The netflix one is the Blu-Ray version, atleast color palate wise its that version
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I hear a lot of differing opinions on which version people prefer. I honestly like the Blu-Ray version's concept of color symbolism. Blue representing machine, Yellow representing humanity, Green representing the matrix, the blend of humanity and machinery. I wish they could maintain that, while also color correcting certain things, and making other colors pop. Because I totally understand it looks like puke green.
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Home cheese is talking about a difference in the dojo scene tho, I hadn't noticed one between the DVD and the theatrical rerelease
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Deleted User 10.6.2020. 2:05
Between DVD and theatrical? has there ever been a release of the theatrical version?
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or are the DVD and theatrical versions identical
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Deleted User 10.6.2020. 2:54
I'm just starting to get into the franchise. Loved 1-3, Animatrix, and I used to play ETM. I was too young to get into the series when they were being released, so I'm excited for the 4th.
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Film class research paper!
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There’s got to be a wiki we can copy
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Theatrical rerelease last year was a 4K remaster
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Original theatrical release should be identical to the DVD release (except the original DVD transfer looked like ass, the second run looked a lot better). It would stand to reason that the remastered theatrical re-release would be identical to the bluray remaster, but I haven't compared them (edited)
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Okay, just so you know what I'm talking about since apparently no one saw it ....in the dojo scene, there is a point in which neo has morpheus against one of the wooden pillars. They do an overhead shot looking down on both. Neo punches with both hands doing that slight twist of his body. If you watch his arms, they move like agents dodging. This is in the bluray version. I want to know if that is in the dvd.
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yes
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its the first time neo tryharded
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He is adapting to the rules of the matrix
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so it's in the dvd too?
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then...continuity error
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how ?
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trinity asks much later how he can move like that. But everyone apparently just saw him move like that.
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the construct view is low framerate
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but the code isn't
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remember, mouse was looking at the code and data inputs
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after seeing neo move like that, I started breaking down that entire scene because i didn't remember it happening before.
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i thought the effect was just a retcon, like the palette swap
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well morpheus was surprised when neo moved like that too
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maybe it just wasnt visible to outside observers or they were looking at other things like his technique
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queues up movie
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Well, just watching that scene again, Morpheus seemed more impressed that he dodged it. He was acting like he expected Neo to be that fast. He was just surprised that he himself could move that fast. Might be why he thought he could handle an agent, and why in the later movies he does fight agents willingly.
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anyway, just was thinking it was a retcon since i didn't notice it before.
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Any of you guys play mxo
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A healthy majority of people on this server are MxO veterans
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Yea, most of us are MxO Boomers
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wrong channel to be asking that tho, why not one of the matrix online channels
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or maybe he's specifically asking the film people if they played mxo
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Then no :D
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I missed the entire live game. I had it, but no internet access at the time. By the time I lived in an area with internet access, the game was being taken down, so just been chillin in Rajko's emulator since 2010
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If you go and LARP in CHAZ then you’d probably get the MxO experience.
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Is CHAZ inside The Matrix or is it Zion though?
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literal death 30.6.2020. 8:20
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so epic qq
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He's breath taking.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 30.6.2020. 22:36
Hello there. 👋
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Hello Dragon Master
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 30.6.2020. 22:38
How are you?
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I am good, how are you?
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 30.6.2020. 22:39
I am well thank you.
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Deleted User 10.7.2020. 5:00
What were your first memories of the first Matrix film?
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The internet is having a field day with Jada (Niobe)...
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Deleted User 13.7.2020. 5:57
Who is your favourite operator? For me it’s a close call between Sparks and Tank.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 13.7.2020. 9:09
Same here.
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Who is Sparks?
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Sparks was the operator onboard the Logos alongside his captain and the ship's pilot, Niobe, and weapons expert and first mate Ghost. His sarcastic and irreverent demeanor served to alleviate the...
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Sparks lost big points with me with that stupid line "Your wish, Captian my Captain, is my keystroke, colon, double backslash execute command." Other than that I like him OK. Tank is #1 for sure
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Sparks is way better than Link tho imo (edited)
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Plus Sparks' Training Construct is awesome
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Sparks is the worst.
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Tank is best.
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Deleted User 13.7.2020. 17:11
Does anyone know if there is a rule that operators must be freeborn?
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well anyone who has a jack wouldnt want to be left behind managing the broadcast
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wanna have FUN
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the zion gate/flight operators arent freeborn, they do their work from the "white space" construct thing
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'Doors open, beds made.'
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I don’t know if such a rule.
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He might have died the same year that The Matrix was released, but according to the movie's cinematographer, Stanley Kubrick's legacy cast a shadow over the less well received sequels.
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WestleyWolf 15.7.2020. 12:50
All movies are now on Peacock.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 15.7.2020. 13:29
We have a viewing of them at our local cinema. Sadly, no one except me wants to go see them... :<
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Oh nice, our cinema only played the original, absolutely went and saw that.
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On the 20th anniversary
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Tbh that's the one I really wanted to see in the theater again, saw it when it came out. Saw the other two in theaters as well but was was super let down
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 16.7.2020. 6:24
Sadly, that is the truth... :/
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Deleted User 16.7.2020. 7:43
In Reloaded why doesn’t the operator on board Bane’s ship see Smith copy himself onto Bane?
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Certainly seems like something that would look odd. As much as I pick those movies apart, I honestly never thought about that lol (edited)
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David T. Gregory 16.7.2020. 18:35
"and then the code got all weird, encryption ive never seen" - link after neo beats the three agents in reloaded and smith comes to analyze the situation
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so that might be a hint that smith can somehow stay unnoticed by operators
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or at least that operators dont know whats happening on their screen
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with smith involved
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malachi was already out at that point and bane was incapable of explaining what happened for obvious reasons
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still it might make sense to quarantine operatives in a loading construct before release
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That's what makes it seem like the operator should have noticed something. He would have seen the code 'get all weird' as Bane got overwritten
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Certainly seems like it would have stood out. Wouldn't know what exactly is happening, but certainly that something unusual is happening
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David T. Gregory 16.7.2020. 20:16
then again smith was something that never happened before and even the machines didnt have a solution, so how can you expect a lonely, underpaid, starving operator to come to the correct conclusion
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guess nobody even thought it was possible for a program to actually hack the brain of a human that way
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which then in turn would raise the question: what if you fed an agent a red pill? would the underlying bluepill wake up? and would they still be possessed by the agent in the real world?
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All the stuff red pills are designed to do wouldn't apply to a program. I would guess it'd have no effect. It's supposed to pinpoint the body's location, and allow them to wake up. I would think it'd either have no effect, or maybe crash them
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If they're currently 'possessing' a bluepill, who knows. Maybe the bluepill would be freed normally and the Agent's connection to them would be severed? I dunno if you'd get a Smith/Bane situation from that since agents don't seem to overwrite bluepills, they just take temporary ownership of their RSI
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Since when the agent is killed, the bluepill body lies dead. If they were overwritten, the bluepill RSI would be gone, wouldn't it?
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David T. Gregory 16.7.2020. 20:32
so who says its not the same with smith
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only difference is either the lack of will to leave the other RSI in the smith program itself or the lack of admin access to force a release
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depending on who ultimately makes the decision who to possess
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id love to hear an analogy from real life programming to this, but i believe theres no purpose for a virus to turn other files into copies of itself is there
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i mean what if my computer catches a virus that turns e.g. launcher.exe from mxo into a copy of itself, whats the point
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Well in Biology, a virus would inject cells with their DNA or RNA & the cell would become a factory for making more viruses to spread throughout the host's body & beyond.
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So I'd imagine that each bluepill & machine programs are cells & when infected by the Smith virus, the infected RSI can infect other RSI
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David T. Gregory 16.7.2020. 20:55
thats true
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maggie from revoultions said that DTDs or whatever is a thing, so programs infecting operatives may be a common thing that the operator didn't need to notice
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Metalogic 17.7.2020. 3:19
What the fuck is DTD?
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I only have one guess and it's.... Probably wrong
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Metalogic 17.7.2020. 3:37
What's your guess?
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Dick to Dick
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Deleted User 17.7.2020. 6:07
You don't see Ballard in that scene from Reloaded. Maybe the operator was watching what Ballard was doing and didn't see Smith copy himself onto Bane. The operator can't look at two places at once.
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" Maggie: VDTs, maybe. I don’t know. But like I said, the answer had better be good." close. whatever.
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Ah, Matrix withdrawals
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'virtual delirum tremens'
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Always wondered about something like Tad Williams did with virtual drugs
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Mr. Jingo's Smile and shit
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in Otherland. Which apparently was made into an MMO, but I haven't heard anything good about it
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Deleted User 20.7.2020. 16:36
Would Neo have broken the vase if the Oracle hadn’t have said anything?
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 22.7.2020. 11:17
In a way, I find that this almost applies to Schrödinger's cat...
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There was no vase.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 28.7.2020. 8:10
Omg I love this!
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Deleted User 30.7.2020. 5:43
What were your first memories of The Matrix?
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Neomatrixology 30.7.2020. 7:38
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Deleted User 30.7.2020. 8:48
I remember the phrase “What is the Matrix” was everywhere.
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David T. Gregory 30.7.2020. 12:42
Drink more Powerade
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My first memory of The Matrix was watching the movie with my dad in California in a hospital condo. I was out in California for ear reconstruction surgery and I had to stay there for 2 weeks (standard practice) so the hospitals had condos for long term patients like me. One night my dad was flipping through the channels and we saw The Matrix and he was like "Oh, you're going to love this."
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the matrix was the fist dvd I owned. the movie was just as cool as the new format at the time.
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Man, I had The Matrix on VHS when I finally got a DVD player, super late to that party. Racking my brain trying to remember what my first DVD was
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It might have even been reloaded
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mine was pulp fiction
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cuz it was being sold for a dollar
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bootleg city represent
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no, actual proper print
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oh nice
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2 dollars actually
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part of some action to get people to buy legal content 😛
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before that it was all DIVX
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lol gov't subsidized content
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I've forgotten which movie was my first DVD
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aint nobody gonna lose money on it, its an old classic
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I remember my first CD, Beck: Mellow Gold (edited)
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mine was tomb raider 2
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🔫 2
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Don't remember what my first game on CD was tho, so many fuckin shareware cds
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<3 that show, have the whole set on dee bee dee
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found it at a thrift store for 15 bucks or something
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only the first 3 seasons were open, the rest were sealed
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Zannonymous 31.7.2020. 11:54
Hello @everyone! 👋 I'm Zaw and I'd like to use this time to thank you all for inviting me into here as I'm very intrested in about talking about the the Matrix🔢 and now, I have a question that I'd like to ask you all🤗: If you are a writer/director of the entire Matrix Franchise🔢1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣, which plots in the films' storyline would you change?
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Metalogic 1.8.2020. 0:36
Anyone know what that glowing ball behind Tank is?
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Neomatrixology 1.8.2020. 0:37
Ships core/powersupply
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Manic Velocity 1.8.2020. 1:50
I always assumed it was a subtle callback to Event Horizon, which also starred Laurence Fishburne
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It was the ship core/gravity drive
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Metalogic 1.8.2020. 1:51
I mean, Hovercrafts really don't need a gravity drive.
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Manic Velocity 1.8.2020. 1:52
I believe it was called the gravity drive in Event Horizon
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The Gravity Drive, also known as The Core or The Gateway is a giant machinery located in the Second Containment of the Event Horizon spacecraft. The machinery folds space, making two points...
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So not the main power source
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I bet the device in the matrix was the ships power source
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Metalogic 1.8.2020. 1:54
Make sense
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Appearance-wise it's much closer to Star Trek TNG's engineering deck, but could be a reactor of any sci fi kind
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The shape looks a lot like the emergency lights used on older Navy ships. Newer ones are square and yellow, but the older ones are pill-shaped and made of glass.
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Revolutions on BBC right now
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:45
Jolly good sir!
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I wonder so much about Seraph’s background. He has defeated Smith before. I wonder if they exchanged programming like his battles with Neo.
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:48
I don't think Seraph jumped into Smith's body, no.
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Although I do wonder what Smith meant by "I remember chasing you was like chasing a ghost."
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Are there any other instances of code trading in any Matrix stories?
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I chalk that up to Seraph’s power level and access to white halls.
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:51
Kind of surprised Agents wouldn't have access to the White Halls, but I guess that's beyond their programming needs.
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They can possess anyone anywhere
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I wonder if the architect limits their access.
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Though Morpheus describes them as holding all the keys and guarding all the doors.
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:52
I'd imagine most machine programs do what they're programmed to do, nothing more, nothing less.
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Otherwise you'd have the pigeon program trying to do the job of the cloud program
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I think they do until it’s time to be deleted. What percentage of programs return to source and what percentage exile?
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I feel like a lot exile.
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:54
I'd say it's about 50/50 split, I think it depends on why they're being deleted and what their original purpose is.
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As we've seen in the movies, not all programs are created equal
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The Lady in Red is not on the same level as The Oracle
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Lady in red is not a machine program
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Just a construct script made by mouse
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:56
Okay, the father of Sati is not on the same level as The Oracle.
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Oracle should choose her as a shell and hide in plain sight
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:56
Well she can probably do that now that Mouse is dead
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Mouse probably left a treasure trove of pornagraphic programs in his cave abode
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I never found those on the marketplace
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:57
Ugh, who do you think drew the short straw on cleaning out his room on the hovercraft?
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Probably a newbie in Zion command academy
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:58
That room had to be covered with bio-hazards
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and pictures of the Lady in Red covered in those Bio-hazards
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Or a low level crew member of a ship that helped them get the Neb back to Zion after part 1
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 19:59
and a sock full of bio-hazards
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Too bad The Kid didn't die at some point, his room would be filled with pin-ups of Neo
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covered in bio-hazards
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I wonder how hot or cold it is in Zion
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I do not do well in a hot environment, 65F or lower for me.
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We’re kid and shimada an item?
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 20:01
I have no idea
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I got the impression it was warm and sticky during the cave rave. But that was also a crowded room
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 20:03
and lots of dancing
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and public grinding (edited)
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Meanwhile I'd be the one Zion citizens still in his apartment playing on the computer. Fuck large gatherings with blowhard's giving speeches.
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I think Neo wore the same clothes during the Hammond conversation that he wore on the Neb
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 20:04
Hemp clothings are hard to make
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Whoever designed this hemp shirts put a rip in the same place
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 20:07
There's a defect in the shirt making machine and they're too lazy to fix it
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Probably put there by Veil
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 20:08
lol
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People talk about the characters in Zion that no one care about. Does anyone care about Mifune? I thought he was bad ass
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 21:47
Who was Mifune?
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Neomatrixology 2.8.2020. 22:36
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So if the Agents don't have access to the white hallways, how does Smith get back there?
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Metalogic 2.8.2020. 22:39
Because when he became a virus, he was no longer limited by his original programming.
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Neomatrixology 3.8.2020. 0:50
Agent: You are no longer necessary. Keymaker: We do only what we’re meant to do. Agent: Then you are meant for one more thing. Deletion.
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Was searching around for any clues that the Agents don't have access to the white hallways... was there an Mxo specific reference?
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 0:56
Honestly, we've never seen Agents use the White Hallways
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According to Neo, they are back doors for programmers. Neo: These are back doors, aren’t they? Programmer access.
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Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.
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Neomatrixology 3.8.2020. 0:59
Exactly, we don't know what level of access an agent Johnson or agent Gray. As far as security goes, they could have higher access or lower access than a programmer
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 1:02
The Agents are designed for two things, to keep the redpills (or at least manage their activities within The Matrix) and to delete programs. They basically are the gate keepers. Agents can inhabitant anyone or any program still connected to The Matrix. Programs that are programmers are working on the code of The Matrix, whether it's the mainframe code or the coding of one of the various programs running throughout The Matrix. They need quick and easy access throughout The Matrix. They don't get to take over bodies.
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Neomatrixology 3.8.2020. 1:12
I'm not going to say there is hard core evidence to argue either side since this is from a recursion live event and not like a cinematic or Enter the Matrix Cut scene but IJS
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Good point. I have remember several LE that had us either meeting or going to the WH with an agent.
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I noticed another thing new to me: When Neo wakes up in the train station, he is dressed more like the Merovingian. Fancy knot in his tie and longer coat.
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Must be purposeful
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 3.8.2020. 12:14
Most certainly fascinating.
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@Vesuveus It is absolutely purposful. It represents the fact that Neo is no longer in control of his RSI (or anything else) in MA . Since he entered Mobil Ave through the machine city (IMO because he was marked for deletion and chose exile subconsciously) he is bound to the Trainman's rules. The Trainman dresses Neo like the Merovingian as either a joke or in homage to the Merv. I think either would fit. Also notice that when Trinity and Morpheus enter Mobil Ave from the Matrix, they retain their RSIs. (edited)
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I feel this 'theory' isn't complete and I am probably missing something, but I believe it is on the same track.
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 13:27
I know it didn't happen like this, but I just find the image of The Trainman dressing up a naked Neo in Merv like clothing like you and I would dress up another person to be hilarious.
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"Just, get that leg in there, c'mon!"
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Fascinating
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Has anyone watched the "Decoded" cut of reloaded and revolutions?
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Watched it earlier, its a bit rough around the edges, but its pretty solid and trims a crap tonne of fat from the story and makes it kind of feel like the first film in places
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:36
I've started it, but haven't finished it.
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What's the password to it again?
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I think it's just 'decoded' isn't it? It's way up in the fanfilms channel
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Decoded is the password
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I thought it was a neat effort, but they glossed over the meat of the whole story I thought
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In some areas the stuff they cut was pretty damn effective
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Some of the stuff they omitted demonstrated a lack of understanding of what was going on
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One thing that was cut made no sense, the Seraph fight. I can't figure out why they cut that
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:38
Did they at least cut down on the 30 minutes fight scenes?
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Yes, a lot of the fights are cut down.
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A lot of the cuts make a lot of sense
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With good reason, burley brawl is trimmed down now and no bowling pin sfx
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They removed a ton of subplots also, but some of what was removed guts the whole story
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ugh thank god
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that idiot bowling pin sound
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:39
Well let's be honest, that tag at the end of the Searph/Neo fight about not knowing someone til you fight them was tacked on to justify the fight scene
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The seraph fight was cool, but yeah I didn't even register it was missing until they walked into the hallway
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That was one of the few fight scenes I thought was justified and wasn't too long
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:40
Well as long as they left in "Ah ha, you forget that I'm an idiot." then I'll be happy. 😛 lol
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lol all I can recall is the riff, wtf was the line?
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:40
I swear, RiffTrax track on Reloaded is just perfect
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That's one of the best rifftrax ever
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Ive always heard stuff about rifftrax, should probs give it a go
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:41
Yea it was The Oracle: "I thought you'd figured that out by now." RiffTrax: "Ah ha, you forget that I'm an idiot."
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ah yes lol
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huge rifftrax fan, I have a ton of them. But I was a huge MST3K fan
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After MST3K, those guys did a few other things, and now they're still doing rifftrax
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:41
My dad introduced my brother and I to MST3K back in the day, I loved it.
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That's the Mike, Bill, and Kevin crowd. MST3K is still going but it's the Joel crowd
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They do live shows and stuff, and they had a couple new seasons on Netflix
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Apparently the ready player one rifftrax is good
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ugh I never saw that movie, probably won't see the rifftrax lol
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:43
I haven't heard good things about Ready Player One
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and now they're making a Ready Player Two
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LOOK VIDEO GAMES. There you;ve seen the movie.
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hay kids, u leik vidya gaems rite?
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actually the NPC movie is even worse about that (edited)
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wtf is that fucking movie
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Oh also forgot, "I'm a scarred and deformed love interest you wont love me", shes a super model with a faint scar
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:44
How dated are the references? Are we talking like 80s Atari game references, or Sega Genesis 90s references? Because any time Hollywood makes a movie about video games, it's filled with dated references.
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Like Pixels for example
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ready player one is weird, its for boomer references but aimed at children
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Yeah, its heavy boomer refs mixed with millenial refs and basted in a pot of 80's nostalgia
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:46
Nah a Super Model with a faint scar isn't deformed, now this is deformed! https://i.imgur.com/W3oF2Fl.jpg And yes, that is me. I'm allowed to make fun of myself lol
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The result of which is a shittone of IP chars on screen at once and couldn't be more boring
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:46
Wait, how did they manage to make a video game movie boring?
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Free Guy looks pretty retarded too
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Same way they made Sucker Punch boring, all flash and no substance
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That's the NPC movie I was thinking of
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Metalogic 3.8.2020. 23:49
I've never heard of Sucker Punch
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Enjoy, its shite
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That movie is terrible, can confirm
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Nice looking girls, good fight scenes. It’s worth having on in the background
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Manic Velocity 4.8.2020. 3:26
I went into that movie expecting nothing more than hot girls doing kung fu, and that’s exactly what it was, and I was still disappointed
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 4.8.2020. 12:33
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:21
A thing that amazes me is how much people here know about the Matrix, like back in 2015 I would have considered myself a fanatic (although I didn't really know any "hardcore" fans back then and probably came across the Matrix Online Emulator at one point but I was worried it was abandoned and after managing to download a bunch of viruses a few years back I didn't really trust myself downloading anything
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(should really get better at computers, it's somewhat embarrassing)
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Although some people might have the advantage of being around as all the things actually happened, all I really had was finding tiny bits of stuff online of what seemed to be a mostly dead fandom by then if that makes any sense? The hype seemed definitely over by a few years, at least in the parts of the Internet I visited.
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sounds rough
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:25
What do you mean?
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nothing, just being a smart-ass
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Metalogic 4.8.2020. 23:25
A smart ass is the smartest of asses
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Tell that to my wife.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:26
I'm so confused???
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Then welcome to the matrix
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:40
@Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) honestly what you are saying is a big reason why I started my YouTube channel. To share those parts of the Matrix that sort of got lost over the years. Last year was the 20th anniversary of the film & so there was a wave of Matrix "explained" videos but I felt like most of them were made by people who didn't even like the films, not past the 1st one anyway. Many of them clearly hadn't seen the Animatrix & I don't expect too many people to know about what happened in the Matrix online. But I feel like that was part of the experience back then, when you played the games, watched the Animatrix, read the comics... more and more things made sense. There are a lot of things that aren't specifically defined but you get a feel for what things can work and what things don't. (edited)
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:43
I was going to buy the comics but never got round to it
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I made my partner recently watch all the films with me and were going to watch the Animatrix after they submit their dissertation
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:44
Hard copy 20th anniversary edition is absolutely worth it imo
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:44
The comics?
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:44
Yes
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Metalogic 4.8.2020. 23:44
I love my copy
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:45
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:45
To think i felt like an absolute fanatic because I brought the ultimate collection and the path of Neo
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It's just so cool although I absolutely feel like I know absolutely nothing
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:46
Ultimate collection is clutch too... PON is the only piece that's non-canon but I assume you beat it & heard the Wachowskis speech
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Metalogic 4.8.2020. 23:46
The great thing about The Matrix Universe is that it has so many layers.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:47
Ahh we hit the 20 years recently didn't we? Is this from the first film?
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Don't think that Edition was around when I looked
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:47
Yeah it came out last year
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:48
Yup I finished PON. I mean isn't it somewhat Canon? Most of the story is and it's basically the Matrix from Neo's point of view
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:48
There are a couple that were on the old website that were not in the paper back edition, that's why I recommend the hard copy
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:49
I'm Re-playing it right now-ish actually.
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Although it's been a few weeks as I've been busy and I have to spend a while Re-learning all the moves because the controls are insane
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:49
Giant ants? I dunno. I took it as button mashing merch. I guess you could debate they only meant MegaSmith...
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:50
I enjoyed the ant bit
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It had a nice spin to it, you know a bit of something else
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David T. Gregory 4.8.2020. 23:50
was a beautiful level but a piece of crap to play IMO
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:51
Honestly I happily take anything Matrix themed you could literally like give me a toaster that prints "Matrix" on my bread and it would be the best thing ever
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I mean my taste in video games is apparently crap but at least I like it
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:52
Right, for a video game it's fine. But I don't think that it was meant to be a piece of the overall story... there's a comic that also has that non-canon feel to it by Babbage
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:52
I remember having to hold both shift and control with my pinky simultaneously
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Babbage?
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:52
Peter Babbage? Not sure about the 1st name off the top of my head
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Don't want to spoil the story but it's obvious when you read it
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.8.2020. 23:54
No idea who that is
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2020. 23:54
One of the guys who did I believe 2 of the comics
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The titles are escaping me atm
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 0:00
Oh I see
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I thought the Wachowskis wrote the comics no? At least mos of them?
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Metalogic 5.8.2020. 0:01
Some of them
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It was like a collage of different writers' take on The Matrix Universe.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 0:03
Sounds neat anyway
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I'll probably buy it sometime, add it to my mental list of stuff
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I currently basically have like no disposable income so many have to wait a while
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Metalogic 5.8.2020. 0:05
Isn't there like a PDF file of the comics floating around somewhere?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 0:05
Most likely
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I feel like I may have come across one before but really can't remember it was years ago and it could have been something else
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Neomatrixology 5.8.2020. 0:07
I think someone on this discord mentioned it but never posted the link. I've only found a couple episodes here & there
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 0:21
Likely same @Neomatrixology
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 16:29
This is a bit of a dumb question but does anyone else's The Ultimate Matrix collection DVDs keep falling out
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Mine don't.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 16:58
I got it second hand, the little tabs on the cases are probably worn
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Manic Velocity 5.8.2020. 20:18
Can probably order some empty cases on Amazon and re-sleeve them
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.8.2020. 22:27
Probably
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When you gun down some free minds
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Haha, nice.
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Deleted User 6.8.2020. 8:51
Here is my opinion, the original Matrix trilogy should have been four movies. There were so many concepts introduced in Reloaded that it needed another movie to explain and explore. Exiles being the main subject.
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David T. Gregory 6.8.2020. 17:22
does anybody know what they do with recurring sets for movies with sequels
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like the oracles apartment, did they take it apart after matrix and rebuild it for the shoot of reloaded/revolutions?
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I would say that would be different for every single instance of a movie / sequal. They either tear it down and trash it, reuse it somewhere else or keep it in a huge set closet. You would have to ask every set coordinator and/or director of every movie ever made for a more thorough answer.
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David T. Gregory 6.8.2020. 17:27
yeah that makes sense, thanks
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The Matrix trilogy should have been 2 movies, cut all the filler (overlong fights, car scenes etc) out
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Tighten up the message
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I loved the idea behind Decoded and I loved that they cut the stupid cave rave, but they cut a lot of the wrong subplots imo
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But absolutely think the two sequels should have been one movie
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They're fluff city
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Metalogic 6.8.2020. 21:05
Cut it down to two movies, and have the first half of the second movie focus a bit more on the Exiles.
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I can't agree about cutting the highway chase completely, it should have just been tighter,
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and please for the love of god, why does every single crash have to be slow motion
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every single one
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Metalogic 6.8.2020. 21:06
Exiles and Smith are not bound by their original programming, so they can actually pose a threat to Neo, even if Neo is The One.
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but man the highway chase was ambitious as fuuuuck
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each fight scene should have been 1/3 the length I think
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still remember slumping lower and lower in my seat during the burly brawl in the theater seeing Reloaded
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'not like this'
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Metalogic 6.8.2020. 21:09
bowling ball pin noise
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Oh I rewatched Bound the other night, it's on either Prime or Netflix (or possibly Hulu?)
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God damn I love that movie
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Absolute must watch for any Wachowski fan
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God help you if you want it on Bluray though
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Oh wait, last time I looked the bluray was like $90
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disregard lol
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Metalogic 6.8.2020. 21:14
What is the Synopsis of this movie?
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Lesbian sex. Rinse. Repeat. (edited)
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Joey pants has backstreet boys hair
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Cut the ENTIRE rave scene out
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its shyte
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Leave moshimos speech
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and I agree, the highway scene just needed to be tightened up, CRASH, BANG BOOM ooooooh cool - not constant cars in slo-mo
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leave all motorcycle stuff in (of course) lol
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I didnt mean cut all the fights and chases out completely, just the filler minutes of meh
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oh, didnt need to see Keanus ass either, they can leave that scene on the cutting room floor too
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My only gripe about Bound was the 'ok we get it, they're lesbians'
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But once the movie gets rolling it's good
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and Joey Pants and Sven are in it lol
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Sixxth likes Ted's butt and he cannot lie
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WHY GOD WHY
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 10.8.2020. 8:42
I am curious, do you have any speculations for The Matrix 4's potential plotlines, and if so why?
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It's 2:45A and I need to get up at 6:15,, otherwise I'd put in my 2 cents ;(
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 10.8.2020. 8:44
Oh dear-
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Ive read they use the mainframes memory storage, and will actually go back in time to do something or the other, thats the reason for a young morpheus but I dont honestly believe anything I read
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I seriously hope they don’t do time travel. However, time manipulation is a thing in the Matrix comics.
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Im afraid for what it will be, honestly
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to the point where Ill wait for reviews before going
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which makes me sad
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Neomatrixology 10.8.2020. 17:55
Yea, there's a bunch of hot turds all over the internet claim they have the real leaks or W/E but it's all nonsense. Nobody really knows. Every thing is just speculation and theories
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Here's my best guess based on the little bit of rumors that exist: https://youtu.be/QhRIYEazl_0
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I'm not anticipating anything until the trailers come out
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hot turds get them views tho
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I GOT THE REAL SCOOP
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Neomatrixology 10.8.2020. 17:59
Exactly, I agree with you both
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Pooper Scooper Inc.
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Neomatrixology 10.8.2020. 17:59
I'm not about that click bait life, I have no problem telling you idk squat
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We all deserve cameos!
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Neomatrixology 11.8.2020. 0:49
Ready for that close up. MxoEmu fan film prolly as close as we'll get tho
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A riveting, emotional thrill ride of bitch slaps and dogsniffs
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and the occasional makeout scene
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lots of /dance3
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Metalogic 11.8.2020. 2:52
I'm convinced that all the /dance are the same
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No. /dance3 is the best /dance.
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I like the unenthusiastic /dance5
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Had to give that dance to The Trainman in Club Hel
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ofc Dr. Nick didn't need a dance, he's just /mood bouncy, looks like he's geeking out
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"No, we cannot our powers in the new matrix" /dance3 (edited)
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Neomatrixology 11.8.2020. 3:55
/mood bouncy is a whole vibe 🌊
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I love the walk when you hold shift
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I AM NOT TWEAKED OUT. I AM PERFECTLY NORMAL.
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NOBODY NOTICES.
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Reminds me so much of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Neomatrixology 11.8.2020. 3:59
Dood sold me asprins
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"Is this not a reasonable place to park?"
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Neomatrixology 11.8.2020. 4:00
Such a great flick, maybe Depps best, certainly debatable
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Depp's single best I think is not able to be determined. But that's absolutely up there. A lot of that has to do with the fact that it's directed by Terry Gilliam.
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Nobody on Earth could have made a film adaptation of Fear and Loathing other than Terry Gilliam
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One of my favorite filmmakers of all time, except for Jabberwocky. Which I give him a pass on, it was his first time out on his own
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But 12 Monkeys, Fear and Loathing, Tideland, The Fisher King, I mean jeez
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And more ofc
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The Man who Killed Don Quixote
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The Adventures of Baron von Munchausen lol
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OMG fucking Time Bandits
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how could I forget
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And for fuck's sake, Brazil
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What a masterpiece
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But Terry Gilliam has a weird fixation, an obsession with midgets
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I loved his work with Monty Python, but after that I loved seeing him left to his own devices.
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Damn I forgot about Time Bandita
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God that is a fucking classic
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And speaking of his obsession with little people
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Also, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus
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the one he was making with Heath Ledger when he died during filming,
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and Johnny Depp, Jude Law, and Colin Farrel helped finished the film,
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fantastic flick, but not without little people lol
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I waited so long to see that one in the theater
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I don’t think@I have saw it yet
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When Heath died, they weren't even sure it was going to be finished
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But holy shit, Heath Ledger, Christopher Plummer, Tom Waits as the fucking Devil,
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I don't want to give anything away, if you're a fan of Gilliam's films, you MUST see Imaginarium
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Saw it in theaters and immediately preordered the bluray
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Apparently Terry Gilliam likes Chris Plummer, he was in 12 Monkeys as well
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Deleted User 13.8.2020. 0:53
Late response to something from earlier: The highway chase was fucking epic, one of the most intense action sequences ever. The cave rave was awesome and helped set the tone for it being humanities last stand, and also helped illustrate the setting Zion and the culture, but the sex scene was long and cringey
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but I came here to delete my account, peace
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omg the sex scene :|
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'I'm sorry, Trinity, I swear that's never happened to me before.'
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'It's not you, it's me.'
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Metalogic 13.8.2020. 1:18
I mean, it'd be weird if it went the other way. Neo goosh like he never gooshed before inside Trinity, Trinity ask him what that's all about. "Oh, I was just thinking about this dream that I've been having where you die."
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 13.8.2020. 13:36
Genuine oof
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"My car!"
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Neomatrixology 13.8.2020. 20:20
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 18.8.2020. 6:46
If you take a close look at this screenshot, the swarm of sentinels looks like a metalic Dragon in which with scrutiny, you can see the head of. It's rather amazing really.
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Looks like my dick, only smaller
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Neomatrixology 18.8.2020. 7:14
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I was gonna make a #WAP joke... but posted a picture of a snake in a box full of water instead
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Neomatrixology 18.8.2020. 7:17
The table read of this was most excellent
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 18.8.2020. 7:53
I was contemplating on questioning that previous statement, however I'm afraid that would only make things worse lol.
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Wife said the same thing
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Love Scott pilgrim. Kids love it too. Watching this later with them!
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 18.8.2020. 21:24
Lol (edited)
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David T. Gregory 19.8.2020. 22:36
i might have stumbled upon another minor detail in the first movie
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i was rewatching the scene where morpheus is explaining the relationship of bluepills with the system and i noticed that in this training construct smith is wearing a black suit, emphasizing that its just a construct by the rebels
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i mean if youre in a hovercraft hunted by machines and agents you wont have time to check what color an agents suit actually is
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you know that the training construct is intentionally full of "mistakes", right (edited)
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David T. Gregory 19.8.2020. 22:39
yes
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thats what im pointing out
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I wonder how they were able to get an accurate RSI of Smith's face though.
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David T. Gregory 19.8.2020. 22:42
actually i wonder about the programming process behind any RSIs face
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must be some kind of algorithm thats able to create believably human faces
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like thispersondoesnotexist.com
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Neomatrixology 19.8.2020. 22:58
@Metalogic [print screen] 🤷‍♂️
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lol
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Deleted User 21.8.2020. 8:12
The one major criticism I hold of the Matrix Reloaded is not introducing the Twins sooner. They needed some more time to be fleshed out and the trailer did hype them up to be a potential third villain.
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David T. Gregory 21.8.2020. 13:36
IMO there are a lot of characters in reloaded who needed more or "deeper" screen time
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They could've left The Kid on the cutting room floor though
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David T. Gregory 21.8.2020. 13:38
YES
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Although it would be nice to see The Kid as a hard bitten veteran in The Matrix 4.
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All the happiness and optimism is gone from his soul
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David T. Gregory 21.8.2020. 13:43
10 $i says were gonna see a kid/neo scene ripped straight from one of the gospels
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Sounds likely
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Neomatrixology 21.8.2020. 15:40
I was looking at the casting... like who would replace the kid. They used clayton for the Animatrix, not sure if that was him in the Matrix online. Just seems like an odd recast if they go that route. IF we do see him, or a version of him, then the pit basically wrote the live action Matrix Online. I think there will be references but not full on Mxo chapter 13. Like the last flight of the Osiris set up Reloaded, the 2nd renaissance expands the b166er comic, the kids story is his prequel episode, and he does have the Matrix comic I Kant... so it wouldn't surprise me if we see "The Kid"... I'm just not expecting it.
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I think if we see Kid, it’ll be a recast at this point. Why give him a role in the sequels, a comic and the Animatrix if he’s not relevant to the future? No one liked that character until well into MxO and it was still a minority of the audience.
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The Kid was annoying AF and contribute barely anything to the overall plot of the movies and MxO.
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Deleted User 21.8.2020. 20:25
@Metalogic Kid did get a backstory in the Animatrix and time in Revolutions so in the overall Matrix eu, he is well fleshed out.
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That being said, he was implied that he would be leading Zion.
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sati reminds me of rosario dawson from MIB2, her ability to affect the weather
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might also be a decent casting choice if she was older in matrix 4
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Deleted User 21.8.2020. 23:31
They are going to need to allude to her in the MX4.
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They have someone cast that is an easy “older Sati”.
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Metalogic 22.8.2020. 0:04
Who?
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I saw that too
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Priyanka chopra
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Married to a Jonas brother
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She is cute.
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She was in the baywatch movie.
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Really? Haven't seen it.
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Nobody had, lol
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Metalogic 22.8.2020. 1:04
It's probably just 1.5 hours of softcore porn
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I mean no one watched Baywatch for the plot
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good match
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Tanveer was in like 1 episode of the office and hasn’t done much else
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Metalogic 22.8.2020. 1:13
Who is Tanveer?
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some extra by the sounds of it
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...Sati
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Metalogic 22.8.2020. 3:28
That Exile in Revolution
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The little girl
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Deleted User 22.8.2020. 6:05
Here is another thing the sequels should have done, made an anti-hero and anti-villain agent as a supportive role. Another agent that isn’t smith appears during the Burley Brawl and we don’t really know what he was going to do during it as Smith cloned himself onto that agent.
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It's probably just 1.5 hours of softcore porn
@Metalogic I thought it was about attractive lifeguards with matching outfits. I only saw the beginning of the trailer and that was a few years ago.
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I think that was Agent Jackson. I think he fought Morpheus on the highway.
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David T. Gregory 23.8.2020. 13:46
if you mean the one on the truck, that was johnson
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jackson is the guy who later joins in on the trinity/thompson office fight
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twitter thread (edited)
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Deleted User 27.8.2020. 14:39
Maybe she catfished
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David T. Gregory 27.8.2020. 15:30
all those hardcore right wingers justifying their assholishness with the matrix and having taken the "red pill" having their mind blown to pieces rn
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I always hated the way the term 'the red pill' was coopted
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David T. Gregory 27.8.2020. 15:51
same here
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one is not a free mind, just because theyre mindlessly repeating bullshit from a different, non-mainstream source
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Yea, I hate how The Red Pill has been co-opted as well
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Manic Velocity 27.8.2020. 18:08
You guys, did you know that the matrix is not just a trans allegory? It's also a re-telling of the classic hero's journey and messianic myth, with several philosophical undertones, set in a dystopian cyberpunk setting!
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I'm being facetious, of course. I think that twitter thread is reaching pretty hard in a few places.
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reading really hard into it
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Manic Velocity 27.8.2020. 18:16
Like, interpreting Persephone saying "He's in the lady's room" as a veiled wink and nod to transgenderism. It was just a flippant comment to let the audience know that she knows he's cheating on her, and that this likely isn't the first time it's happened. It's just another way of showing that Merv is a self-indulgent womanizing prick.
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Confirmation bias is a real thing. It's easy to pick things out from a piece of art and re-contextualize them to conform to what you want to believe.
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The Merovingian sees The Matrix as his own little playground
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its all retconning at this point
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The first movie I can see as a trans allegory, but the sequels were not.
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David T. Gregory 27.8.2020. 19:49
it works on many levels, really. and didnt one of the wachowskis actually put it into the context of transgenderism as well?
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obviously i agree that the person on twitter was grasping for anything they could get their hands on at some points, but overall it seems pretty convincing that the journey of a trans person was definitely a significant (though not the only) influence (edited)
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IMO saying that its just about one specific topic and nothing else doesnt do the movie justice anyway
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At the time, Larry was into Dommes
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which explains the bondage clubs
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Neomatrixology 27.8.2020. 22:56
One article mentioned the "theory" red pill as a metaphor for estrogen pills. Lilly didn't confirm any of those kinds of details. The siblings very specifically said the inspiration for the red pills came from designer drugs. There are all sorts of reaching theories about the Matrix on the internets cough cough MiM but I personally am not going to be one to say I know more about the films than the writer/director. I know a lot of folks are butthurt cause Lilly has come out against the use of the "red pill" being co-opted to fit things she doesn't agree with. At the same time, she never once said that the Matrix was ONLY about a Trans allegory which seems to be how the conversation has been viewed and spun by the headlines. In her own words she stated a Trans allegory was their "original intention"... then went onto say that corporate America was not having that in 1999 and explained the original design for the Switch character, which we all now know wasn't displayed in the final cut with the Wachowski's original intention . Obvious Trans themes were not allowed or removed for the most part. Lilly also said that the siblings were both coming from a closeted trans perspective at that time. I can't relate to that perspective, but considering they BOTH transitioned since, and many Transgender individuals can relate to it, I imagine some of that perspective is hidden in some of the subtext. Lilly in that same interview, described the films as "non-linear", so she even says it is about more than one thing, that has more than one hidden message. It's been 2 decades and new meanings, messages, and easter eggs still come up. Alice, tumbling down the rabbit hole...
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Mazuri Senki 27.8.2020. 23:01
I have absolutely NO idea where the "trans allegory" thing came from, and it annoys me to get stiffed with something that breaks what I have already established in my mind.
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Years ago too!
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It makes no sense to me either, so I'll stick to what I know and understand.
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Neomatrixology 27.8.2020. 23:08
Keanu Reeves even said he doesn't know anything about it... that doesn't mean it's not there... just something he can't speak on... "It's cool" ...next question
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I just think it’s cool that they made a masterpiece film and expressed their selves artistically while at the same time shoving all their interests and styles into 1 movie that worked so well and appealed to so many. I haven’t heard any bs about “well now I’m gonna boycott the next movie”. They may have transcended cultural line
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Neomatrixology 27.8.2020. 23:14
Oh the boycotts clowns are out there.... if not about the trans thing then over Morpheus.... they'll end up bootlegging it most likely... but they're gonna watch Matrix 4
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Mazuri Senki 27.8.2020. 23:16
I'd bootleg it at first because I have become iffy about new movies nowadays. If it's good, I'll book it to Prescott proper's theater.
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(If anything, it was news about The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel that taught me to go that route)
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i often prefer movies where the world is as much of a character as the humans. i find human-centric narratives uninteresting for some reason
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 7:04
I have absolutely NO idea where the "trans allegory" thing came from, and it annoys me to get stiffed with something that breaks what I have already established in my mind.
As much as I like the Wachowskis, I they have a history of just saying stuff on the spot. I think the whole "trans allegory" was a spur of the moment thing. Also, it was said 10 years after the movie came out.
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Does anyone know if production on the sequels began before the first movie hit theaters? I ask as many detractors will just say the sequels were never justified, but seeing as how the freeway chase was filmed in 2001, that would imply that they were planned out long in advance.
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they did not, sequels were planned after the first movie made massive bank (edited)
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Manic Velocity 29.8.2020. 7:08
^^^
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Warner Brothers didn’t agree to a trilogy at the outset
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 7:09
Interesting, though I find that both odd and interesting and how short production was for two back to back movies.
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Manic Velocity 29.8.2020. 7:10
They were both filmed at the same time (edited)
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 7:10
Yes
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I know that
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Manic Velocity 29.8.2020. 7:20
What makes you think the sequels started production before the first hit theaters?
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Neomatrixology 29.8.2020. 7:47
@Deleted User I really think people are just taking what she said out of context for headlines, and people are reading the articles through the lens of those headlines. When I listen to what she said, I don't see it as spur of the moment or retcon. She says people in the Trans community thank her for the work she put out... which was why I brought up the estrogen pill thing. She didn't say, every little detail in a fan theory about a Trans allegory is accurate, simply that the element of that subtext was part of the "original intention" and that she is happy others picked up on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXm2sDzGkQ&feature=emb_logo
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 15:41
What makes you think the sequels started production before the first hit theaters?
@Manic Velocity The sheer magnitude of the sequels such as the freeway chase took months to film.
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So something of that magnitude would not have been a decided after the success of the first movie
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There is also the world building
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And lastly, the comics started in 1999.
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I mean, Reloaded came out in 2003.
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 15:43
@Neomatrixology Now that you put it like that, I can see it being taken out of context.
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The Matrix came out in 1999
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 15:43
Yes, but planning takes awhile
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So there's 4 years between the two movies. Plenty of time to film Reloaded and Revolutions
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 15:44
Principle photography took place around 2001-2002.
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Which I'm sure were all filmed together and then cut into two movies.
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4 years is plenty of time to do the whole shebang.
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Deleted User 29.8.2020. 15:45
True
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I mean Star Wars did have some back to back filming for episodes 2 and 3
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Like I said, Reloaded and Revolutions were all shot at the same time period and then cut into two movies.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 30.8.2020. 22:06
They tried to pull a Peter Jackson..
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cut out the zion parts and make it 1 movie
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and delete smith brawl, neo just fly away after being half turned
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The Matrix Decoded did that, but they also cut a lot of other subplot
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The subplots they cut made it seem like they didn't quite get it
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The Matrix Decoded is a re-edit of Reloaded and Revolutions that eliminates a lot of subplots. I didn't agree with some of their choices but I respect the amount of time and thought that went into the edit. https://vimeo.com/180948170 Password is 'decoded' (edited)
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Password is 'decoded'
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I don't agree with a lot of their choices, but I respect the amount of time and thought that went into that edit
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 31.8.2020. 5:11
Yeah, I think get rid of the rave scenes and any other scene that did not have any significance or purpose in the film and I think more people would have enjoyed it. I don't mind either way, however the rave scenes were definitely the worst in my opinion.
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u call it rave scene i call it stinky cave people scene
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 31.8.2020. 13:09
That too.
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Other than hovercraft scenes, Anything that took place in Zion was pretty bad. The attack on the dock was overly long cgi.
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I did enjoy the "KNUCKLE UP!" and "light as a feather, light as a feather..." lines
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I cringed at knuckle up lol
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and those super drawn out shots of the APUs readying up
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it was funny
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2much 2boring
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I liked the John Wayne bravado of the knuckle up thing, kinda corny but funny in an old fashioned way
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weird term for masturbation
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Rave scene sucked, but the music was 💯
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 1.9.2020. 0:11
Hm
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 1.9.2020. 3:30
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Metalogic 1.9.2020. 3:31
I should get one of those hula hoops with a 6 ft radius and wear it whenever I go out in public
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 1.9.2020. 7:46
Funny thing is, I've always been like this with hygiene, even before COVID. 😂
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me too
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total germaphobe
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I would wear latex gloves 100% of the time in public
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 1.9.2020. 21:23
And carry sanitizer.
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 21:40
i just hope we keep the whole mask thing going even after the pandemic is over
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Metalogic 1.9.2020. 21:41
Why?
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 21:42
cause ive always been tired of people who look like they are about to die from whatever flu they have forcing themselves to work and coughing in my direction
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doesnt even have to be mandatory, all i want is that it becomes more accepted socially
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so that others, if they really cant stay at home while sick, may consider protecting other people or at least i can protect myself a bit more
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I actually agree. Too mamy people drag their sick selves into public, coughing and blowing. Asians have worn masks for decades, its normal there
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If you're well, do whatever.
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During flu season, Id be happy to wear a mask all the time lol
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 21:51
same here
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hahahh
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 21:51
i even get my annual flu shot
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yup me too
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 21:53
hope there wont be any shortages this year
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usually they dont give a damn over here
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Im not aware that theres ever a problem getting a flu shot in the US...Its always been easy to get
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 22:50
i meant the people here in germany
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just a few get the flu shot
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the others just choose not to, for whatever reason
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Deleted User 1.9.2020. 23:47
Wait, covid could give us a valid reason to dress like the Club hel patrons
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Metalogic 1.9.2020. 23:48
Isn't that just wearing BDSM gear with a gas mask on?
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Deleted User 1.9.2020. 23:49
Yep
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Metalogic 1.9.2020. 23:49
I'd check with the laws in your area first
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Deleted User 1.9.2020. 23:50
And Club Hel as well as the club that Trinity first met Neo were actual BDSM clubs and the people in the background were actual BDSM people.
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David T. Gregory 1.9.2020. 23:54
Gotta be authentic
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 2.9.2020. 0:04
Got to respect the legitimate scenery..
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Neomatrixology 2.9.2020. 2:56
@Deleted User During the Carrie-Anne Moss commentary... Editor Zach Staenburg low key implied John Gaeta had a little too much fun in the club lol
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 2.9.2020. 3:14
Haha-
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Who wouldn't?
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Deleted User 3.9.2020. 3:27
@Neomatrixology Funny because she was pregnant throughout the filming of the sequels.
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Metalogic 3.9.2020. 3:27
Who was preggers?
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Deleted User 3.9.2020. 3:28
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Metalogic 3.9.2020. 3:29
Wow, must've been early in the pregnancy.
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Deleted User 3.9.2020. 4:39
It was significant
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First he told me of the chosen one. There will be a chosen one. Then, he told me of the significance. It will be significant. (edited)
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Neomatrixology 3.9.2020. 6:04
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But The Kid got out on's own (edited)
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A-hee hee
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(autocorrect on phones should be abolished)
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 3.9.2020. 6:42
I've had my fair share of autocorrect 'moments', if you will..
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Same, at least that one was fairly innocuous
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 3.9.2020. 7:27
I know that feeling
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That meme made me laugh!
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Ah-Hee Pee Enn
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 5.9.2020. 10:33
Smith is unaware of his ASMR powers...
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Unless he is aware and that's why he uses it against people.
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FaolonGlas0001 6.9.2020. 4:50
@Neomatrixology I dig your vids
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@Vesuveus - and your posts too 😀
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Neomatrixology 6.9.2020. 5:01
@FaolonGlas0001 appreciate you for watching! Been working on tightening up the production/editing quality but no matter what I'll share any legit Matrix 4 news I can find (edited)
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Thanks! I got another video series and podcast in the works
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interesting analysis
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I can agree with it, the fight scenes in Reloaded just didn't have any stakes.
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They're also just too effing long, that was my biggest beef with them
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on and on and on
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mmmm.... stakes...
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steaks mmmmmm
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raise the steaks
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raze em
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braise the steaks
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oooo
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I did like the analysis of the first movie fights....they each have their own reason
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never thought about it that way before
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Medium rare
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Manic Velocity 11.9.2020. 22:11
the one thing I noticed in the sequels is that all the fights felt the same, whereas in the first they each felt different depending on the fighters
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like, smith vs. morpheus feels very different than smith vs. neo
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the techniques and style are different, and speaks to each character's personality and motivation
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in the sequels, everyone's fighting styles are interchangeable
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I outlined some things about those fight scenes in the comments and got a cool conversation out of it. I get all the flaws with Reloaded and the point that Neo is overpowered. But one of the points of the fights are to show how powerful his opponents are.
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If the fights were to show how powerful his opponents were, then it failed.
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Seraph
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Eh, debatable
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The fights just seem more like choreograph dance numbers than actual fighting
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Manic Velocity 11.9.2020. 23:15
^^
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they look and feel very robotic and rehearsed
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the fights in the original feel much more organic and natural
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Esp. Morpheus head-butting Smith in the bathroom.
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the flying around smith vs neo fighting was awful
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when it's supposed to be the clash of two titans but ends up just being ridiculous
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whooooshh BOOOM! OH NO! but whooosh BOOOM! Oh yeah? WHOOSH BOOOM!
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Seems like there could have been time spent on stuff cooler than fisticuffs (edited)
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Or at least more meaningful fisticuffs
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I bet he'll never expect this attack from two miles away in a straight line! Take this!
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I liked the fight but it doesn’t compare to the subway fight, which Neo also loses, but has cool shit like the throat strike, Smith working the body like Tyson, and the Come hither
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David T. Gregory 12.9.2020. 17:56
what else could they have done, srsly
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due to the development of both neo and smith such a fight wouldve been inevitable
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Neomatrixology 13.9.2020. 15:57
The algorithm suggested that video but I skipped over it because I was sure I already watched a video about the same opinion by a different Youtuber w a diff title & the comments here would suggest I guessed right lol since I didn't watch it, I'll just say imo opinion IF the Wachowski's had "blown up" the Matrix like the studio allegedly suggested & Neo survived. Or if it had a Dark City flavored ending, where you have your usual Hero gets the girl & rolls into the sunset/sunrise, then yeah, there's just an over powered hero with no high stakes. But at the end of Revolutions we were at least led to believe that Neo died. Either way Neo lost the physical battle vs Smith and Deus ex machina had to save the day staying true to form & definition of the name. In Reloaded he is shown bleeding and called "only human" showing that he is vulnerable and Morpheus was putting in some work against an upgraded Agent. The 1st time watching the burly brawl was exciting. I thought it was so creative. In 2003 I wasn't going to notice the CGI glitches, and by 2005 when Mxo was released, I figured if there was a live action film to justify having choppy graphics, it'd be the Matrix. All the Smith clones spiked buffering issues and the Matrix needed a better graphics card to support the scene or something. The bowling pin sound effect, was either a joke, or sound design laziness but it was the only thing about the Reloaded fight scenes that ever jumped out at me as wrong for the moment. (edited)
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The fights in Revolutions on the other were long af as well as other non action scenes. And I think Bill Pope addresses most of what I noticed. The original Matrix film spent an absurd amount of time on preparation, the sequels spent an absurd amount of time on execution and takes. When shooting films back to back, it wears on the cast & crew. I think many of the actors were exhausted by the time they hit the set for Revolutions. Pope also talks about how writer/directors can fall in love with their characters and I think Revolutions has a lot of that going on. In The original script for the Matrix Thomas Anderson had a whole family, little brother and all, but it was cut down through revisions and tightened up. I think Reloaded & Revolutions didn't get that phase of revision by the Wachowski's & Pope also talked about the studio presence on set during the sequels that wasn't there for the original
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Deleted User 20.9.2020. 6:30
@Manic Velocity I saw that video, but I feel like they are projecting their bias about the sequels over the actual quality of the fights.
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Which is why I don't care about criticism of the sequels as most people have either never seen the sequels or cherry pick scenes.
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Manic Velocity 20.9.2020. 6:33
I think there’s definitely a case to be made about the sequels being a step-down in quality from the original.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 20.9.2020. 11:50
In the end, opinions are subjective.
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 21.9.2020. 11:55
This screenshot is quite amusing to look at for a while. The more you look at it, somehow it becomes funnier.
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Manic Velocity 22.9.2020. 2:57
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 22.9.2020. 6:57
Pretty much 😂
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Imagine the filming for that scene, perhaps it would have been awkward?
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its just him breakdancing then they overlayed multiple frames together
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 22.9.2020. 10:14
Heh
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Manic Velocity 23.9.2020. 6:04
they applied the Echo effect in After Effects
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 23.9.2020. 6:11
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I love this one
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Deleted User 9.10.2020. 9:17
So, one thing I never got was why the sequels never really took the time to establish that the new agents were different from agent Smith. Yes, the freeway chase made it somewhat apparent, but one thing that I think could have really made the differences was having a conflict between the Agents and Agent Smith since Smith is an exile in the sequels.
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Neomatrixology 9.10.2020. 10:51
So at the start of Reloaded, Neo identifies the new Agents as upgrades & quickly addressed they were different. We also see a whole new set of Agents. Smith virus has the ability to copy over them, and eventually does, like he does to Seraph & everyone else. The Smith Virus wasn't a target of the system, because the plan was to have Neo reset the Matrix anyway. Hence, the "dangerous game", Oracle giving Smith the eyes (direct connection to the Source), upgraded the Smith virus to a real world problem. Agents can't fix that, Architect can't Deja Vu kitty keystroke an exile away, therefore providing Neo the needed leverage to negotiate peace sacrificing himself for the Trojan Horse/reset play...
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Yeah, these things are brief in reloaded. The one conflict is the upgraded agent getting overwritten by smith.
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Sequels are both over 2 hours. Hard to devote more screen time to a subplot that doesn’t move the story in the direction they want
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 11.10.2020. 9:49
Recently a meme has been circulating dubbed, 'Please do not bang The Machines'...
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It was already rather humorous with Star Trek and Marvel mentioned within, however I just found I Matrix one.
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Deleted User 20.10.2020. 11:34
Hundreds of rare props and costumes from more than 350 films, including Alien, Batman and Gladiator, will be going up for auction in early December
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Neo's Reloaded outfit available to buy at December auction. Anybody very wealthy with Neo's build? (edited)
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(£40,000 - £60,000,)
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I think I'm too tall
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And too poor
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lol nope just too poor
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same exact height
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How tall is Keanu Reeves?
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according to google
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Yea, I'm too short
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5'4"-5"
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I mean, someone is, I didnt mean me
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Deleted User 20.10.2020. 18:18
Statistically, I think you could be correct.
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Exactly
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𝕿𝖍𝖊𝕯𝖗𝖆𝖌𝖔𝖓𝕸𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗 21.10.2020. 7:49
Then there is me, 4'9 ..... ~.~
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well, you are after all a lil' alien
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WestleyWolf 21.10.2020. 21:58
i wouldnt have it either as im to big for it
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i would need a custom sized one and that goes for alot less but only by half.
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lop off 3 zeroes and I'm sold (edited)
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Deleted User 26.10.2020. 3:55
Does anyone know what the best pieces of Matrix merchandise are? I'm looking to do some Christmas shopping.
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There are some cool toys, dvd collections with character bust, old phones, movie posters. Someone on YouTube has a massive collection. Might give you some ideas
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 11:46
What are your favourite moments from the sequels?
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:31
Burly Brawl and the Freeway chase
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And Club Hel
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Least unfavorites: highway chase, both interactions with Merv (club hel and the restaurant), some others. Most of the sequels I just tolerated
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Absolutely couldn't stand the burly brawl. So much eye rolling in the theater
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:34
How did you not like the freeway chase?
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I said it was least unfavorite
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:34
Oh
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The Merovingian restaurant scene, and Mobil Ave subway station scene.
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I loved the highway chase. One of the very few things I liked about the sequels
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:35
Burly Brawl was kind iffy with the sound effects.
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And neo trapped at mobil ave
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For me, most action scenes just dragged on for way too long.
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:35
And I wish they would have had Agent Johnson fight in the burly brawl as well.
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And the hand to hand combat felt so artificial, it felt less like fighting and more like choreograph dance moves
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Wouldn't surprise me if DDR had a mode where you could dance to the Burly Brawl scene
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Most of the movie was a fucking drag
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Either that or just obnoxious
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Typical action movie dressed as matrix. Quick script. Executives hanging over their shoulders.
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:38
Reloaded was a good followup, for me Revolutions dragged on a bit too long.
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Make this formulaic or else, but still gotta taste like the matrix
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They both did the same thing
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Deleted User 28.10.2020. 23:39
But I do like the club hel shootout in Revolutions
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Also everything slow motion all the time in the sequels was annoying.
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Too much standard-ass hollywood on those, which again comes back to not nearly enough time for the vision to refine, but mostly all the suits 'looking after their investment.' Translation: well you've proven yourself and your idea a success, we'll take control from here
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Does anyone know what the best pieces of Matrix merchandise are? I'm looking to do some Christmas shopping.
@Deleted User Besides the sources Vesuveus mentioned, remember there are also some excellent artists/craftsmen on Etsy and Redbubble. You can work with them to have very individual works commissioned, like embroidered or painted designs on jackets. Many of the artists there are open to custom works. I'm thinking about getting the burning eye done on a jacket, but don't know where I'd wear it.
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Well Neo's trench coat and sunglasses (it said 'outfit' but all you could see from the photo was the coat and glasses) is going on auction, expected to be between £40,000-60,000 or something like that
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That'd make a good gift
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Hundreds of rare props and costumes from more than 350 films, including Alien, Batman and Gladiator, will be going up for auction in early December
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Pass
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If I was going to spend that kind of money on something, it'd be a live steam locomotive
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@Deleted User but don't know where I'd wear it.
@Endymion Everywhere!
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And I have a burning eye shirt available on my TeeSpring
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Inspired by the jacket in The Guiardian's display, I was thinking of the MxO logo across the upper part of the back above the burning eye design from the women's jacket. That's for the back. Then the Beta logo above the left breast pocket. And maybe the "Level Up" text in MxO font, on each sleeve. But it might seem cluttered....still thinking about it. Embroidering the descending code would be eyestrain out the window. But painting it could work. There are artists on Etsy that do this sort of thing, some with extreme skill.
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Deleted User 29.10.2020. 3:55
My favourite moments of the sequels include: The opening 10 minutes of Reloaded The highway chase - especially the part when Trinity weaves through traffic on her motorcycle The Scene where the three captains login to the Matrix to get Neo to the Source
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The shot of Trinity catching the gun in Club Hel
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Niobe piloting the Hammer
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The Seraph fight is beautiful. The tractor trailer head on collision! The gritty Neo v Smith/Bane fight
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Loved the seraph/neo fight. Also the first few mins were my favorite because it was before I started slumping in my seat in the theater, like stuff like the burly brawl wasn't just cheesy and full of bad looking full CG humans but the fight music was super cheesy too.
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Both have great pick and choose moments, but in their entirety there's so much to dodge imo
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Loved the twins, could have stood those guys being flashed out a bit instead of 4 hours of fight time
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Seems like so much wasted opportunity wasting time with the fights. Also some bullet time would be nice, they only used it for the first movie
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I wonder how expensive it was to film the bullet time scene
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There were 3
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3? Neo moving like they do, Moshimo jumping out the window and getting caught in the leg, Trinity's kick in the very beginning.
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I feel like I'm missing one
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Seems like they're a lot of work in pre, production, and post so they went with videogame characters instead, I dunno. They looked awful, the tech wasn't ready for it and it completely detracted from one of the coolest things about the Matrix, everything you see a character do, the actor (or a stunt person) is doing it for real
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That CG shit took me right out of the movie
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I dug the CG where it worked in the first one, backgrounds and squiddies, stuff like that
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Neo and smiths midair shootout in subway
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Ah yes, how the hell could I miss that one (edited)
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Well, because I hadn't gotten out of bed yet lol. Literally woke up and checked discord
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Man there coulda been so much more awesome use for bullet time. Even more elaborate/creative setups (edited)
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At least we got another bullet time shot in Swordfish lol
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David T. Gregory 30.10.2020. 0:52
am i the only one here who loved neo v smith in revolutions
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i couldn't wait for that fight to be over
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Smith: "is it over??" - bitbomb "Good lord I hope so"
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lol
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It wasn't that bad, it just dragged on way too long and there was nothing riveting about it to me
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It doesn't help though that by that time, I was already fatigued by so many other action/fight scenes dragging on (edited)
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David T. Gregory 30.10.2020. 0:59
understandable
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reloaded and revolutions shouldve been one XL movie with good pacing
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The pacing was absolutely abhorrent in both of those flicks
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They really should have been one tight movie
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So much time wasted, so little time spent on important stuff
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But again, you can't really blame the W's for that. It didn't have the time the original had for the story and script to evolve, and they had constant involvement from the suits to make sure it was the 'tried and true blockbuster' dressed up in Matrix clothing
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I always wonder what would've happened if they were just left alone, having proven themselves with Bound and The Matrix
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To just make whatever they wanted to make
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On their own timetable
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David T. Gregory 30.10.2020. 1:03
the architects speech wouldve been more convoluted
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Disagree. That's not a difference between the original and the sequels.
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They just would have been less 'joel silver action movie'
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peppered with matrix-isms
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David T. Gregory 30.10.2020. 1:05
guess thered also be more of a backstory for many of the characters
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Deleted User 30.10.2020. 5:49
Didn’t the Ws want to make one sequel and one prequel?
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If you're talking recently, the prequel project was separate. That's the Zak Penn script that WB was going with after the W's said for years they were not going to make another matrix movie. If you mean the original trilogy, I hadn't heard anything like that. Joel Silver stated the W's wanted to do 3 movies from the getgo, but I never heard that from one of the sibs
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The Zak Penn project is the one where Michael B Jordan was supposed to play a young Morpheus
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Is/was. Penn said when MX4 was officially announced that it's still on but we'll see (edited)
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Deleted User 1.11.2020. 3:32
I'm working on my own edit of the Matrix sequels. DM me if you would like to share ideas.
bitbomb pinned a message to this channel. 1.11.2020. 11:45
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Check the pinned messages for other fan films, particularly the one I just pinned
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Those guys didn't really change the plot per se, but they eliminated some stuff that kind of made me feel like they didn't quite get important parts of The Matrix
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I always wanted to see Reloaded and Revolution with the useless fat trimmed and edited down to one movie
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Decoded is cool, but it wasn't what I was looking for. Definitely well done and worth checking out though
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They changed key plot points tho, and went for a happy ending
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They did a pretty decent job at pulling it off too
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though I don't agree with the choice to do it, I prefer the original ending, they did a great job at their ending
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I'm an idiot, I just woke up and pinned that in the wrong channel lol
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Fan edit stuff should be in #fan-films
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Check out The Queens Gambit on netflix, it's very good!
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It's a tv series about chess
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In what way? Is it about chess players, or is the chess more metaphorical?
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Also, not to be a dick, this channel is for Matrix films. There's a #movies channel for all things films and TV in 'Non-Matrix Discussion'
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So many of us are so used to IRC, much more fluid and not nearly as structured/organized lol
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KaosDevil 2.11.2020. 0:09
Sure, we should probably rename it to movies and shows
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I didn't read what subject this was under lol
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lol, Non-Matrix Discussion: Movies, Etc.
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In any IRC channel I've ever been in, and other discords, #movies is always understood to include TV series' as well
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Dunno, it's up to Manic Velocity
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It sorta matrixy to talk about topics in the wrong chanel
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" A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. "
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(thats my justification, since I cannot seem to stay on topic)
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lol
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'we all are all here because of our propensity for disobedience' or whatever Moshimo's line is
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The first part is wrong, I just remember the second half
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Yesssss
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Do you think there is a chance we’re gonna get Animatrix 2?
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Maybe that’s how they’re gonna explain the death of Momo
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Pre-release anime short films were starting to become a thing there for a while, like Blade Runner Blackout 2022 and uh
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wtf was the other one that came out recently-ish
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Prometheus had a short film before its release, not anime tho
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The Second Renaissance is still the number one thing I want adapted as a TV show
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Fertile ground for so many stories
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And especially now that 'TV show' doesn't mean what it used to
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So many cinema quality series' out there
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I feel like it should take its time and like one season would show a different moment in the war
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When they're adapted from movies they're really hit or miss though. Like '12 Monkeys' was really lame
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But checked out several episodes of 'Treadstone,' that is actually pretty solid
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I gotta finish that
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I think the Lord of the Rings TV show is gonna change everything
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They have like Avengers budget
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oh god no lol
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I can't stand the LOTR movies
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It’s not based on the movie
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It’s like 3000 years before
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I just meant that we’re gonna have big blockbuster tv shows like GOT was for a while
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Would be the perfect time to do the Second Renaissance
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I’m calling Lana (again)
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Ouranos got Lana on speed dial
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'Hey it's me again'
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wonder if the name was legally changed from Larry to Lana?
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I think that would be pretty important to her
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Why would you want your deadname on your driver's license and shit
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Oh yeah they both definitely changed their names (edited)
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You have to, with the Director’s Guild at least
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There is a big tournament on twitter to decide which movie is the best of all time
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it's been going on for months
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The Matrix did pretty well by getting out of the 90's bracket
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but now it's against The Shining and losing
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GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME: PERORATION Movie of the Week Division R1 | Match #42 [2] The Shining (1980) - Stanley Kubrick v [3] The Matrix (1999) - Lana & Lilly Wachowski
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We can do this
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the single best of all time?
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No such thing
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Good way to get people voting for things though
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Wonder where Metropolis is on that list
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or Apocalypse Now
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lol Twin Peaks beat Citizen Kane?
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twin peaks s2 fuckin suuuucks
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Invalid
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The movie, not the series
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Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me
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there's a movie ?
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yar
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It sets up the whole series
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But it works before or after the series
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These pairings make no sense. Blade Runner v Apocalypse Now? Taxi Driver v Raiders of the Lost Ark?
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Psycho v Pulp Fiction?
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lol
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Twin Peaks season 2 sucks once because they forced Lynch and Frost to reveal who's the killer, then Lynch left and only came back for the last episode (edited)
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(which is a masterpiece)
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lol and why is Zodiac even in the running for 'greatest movie of all time'
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the one in the tournament is Twin Peaks The Return, the last season
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It's a good movie
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David Fincher has made a bunch of much better ones (edited)
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Film Twitter loves Zodiac
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so do I
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Zodiac is good
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I think Fincher still have a few movies in the competition
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I've seen it a couple times, it's a great film
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the first Muppets movie should win the whole thing
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Twin Peaks beat Citizen Kane in the previous round
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things are wild
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lel
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haha
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I have a pretty succesful podcast about Lynch and Twin Peaks called Lynchsplaining but sadly it's in French
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so I don't mind if it wins the whole thing it's good for the brand
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Man, what about Mulholland Drive or Blue Velvet or any of his other amazing films :(
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Lost Highway is another in my top 100
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Mulholland is still in the competition and should go far
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Blue Velvet lost last week sadly
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Wild at Heart probably didn't do that well
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Eraserhead went pretty far in the first rounds
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I watched Eraserhead once, that's good enough for me
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It's very effective
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It makes me itch
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effective at killing any need to ever have children
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Few movies affect you the way Eraserhead does
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What about Bram Stoker's Dracula? That is absolutely one of the greatest films ever made
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sometimes fans will get bots to make their film win
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Even WITH Keanu Reeves' horrible accent
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Alita went far because of that
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and Persephone
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The camera work, the practical effects, the oldschool techniques, and omg Gary Oldman's performance, and Anthony Hopkins,
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and Monica Bellucci.... jesus
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I was so surprised she actually showed up in that episode
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the restaurant in Paris is right next to my appartment
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Lynch have a workshop there
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so one time I went in
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and he was there
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we talked and took a picture
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dude!
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very nice guy for such a crazy imagination
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there it is
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(I had to do the Cooper thumb up)
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That's awesome
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I almost posted my Keanu pic but realized I have bragged about it too much in the past around here haha
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Manic Velocity 24.11.2020. 4:59
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Manic Velocity 24.11.2020. 17:15
the way he has his hand on the back of her neck makes me deeply uncomfortable
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He probably wears bad cologne
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or just Axe
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for the laydeeeez
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Yea, that hand grab on her neck is sending bad body language.
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I like it
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It all depends on who's doing it.
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 26.11.2020. 20:59
saw that photo and was so glad Manic said exactly what was in my head 😂
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Deleted User 5.12.2020. 15:21
oh how i loved all the matrix movies
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You know, I really wish Reloaded focus more on the Exiles, and Revolutions focused more on how "The One" was just another system of control.
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For a powerful Exile, The Merovingian didn't seem to pose that much of a threat to the crews of the Nebuchadnezzar
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Yeah, he’s a side quest to get the Keymaker to get to the source
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 1:49
What IF I told you, Mxo is the reason why I no longer consider the Merv a villain
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I never considered him a villain per se, more an opportunist, and an absolute necessity to the system (edited)
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I've only read through the outlines of the MxO storyline though, so I lack the post-films perspective
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 2:06
I didn't see him as a necessity to the system until Mxo...but the game put it in perspective for me. Ironically, the revelation came through RP when our machine faction requested permission to create exile alts. His beef with the Oracle was personal but not reckless. Bonus points for helping Niobe
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Honestly, I always saw The Merovingian as the mob boss type character. If it doesn't serve his own interest, or if he can't parlay it into something that he can get, then he's not interested.
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It's all about the Exile Business with The Merovingian, and anyone who cross him gets punished for it.
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IMHO, he should've done more to try to punish the crew of The Nebuchadnezzar. I mean, why make a deal with Trinity in Club Hel? He has shells, exiles changing shells is canon in the same movie.
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Should've told his guard to escort them out of the club and kill them if they try to resist.
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 3:31
I used to think the Trinity deal was an easy out, but these days, I believe it was an example of manifestation
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How so?
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But seriously, Trinity, Neo and Morpheus makes off with The Keymaker and he ends up dead. If THe Merovingian really is a mob boss character, then those three chucklefucks just cost him an asset. He should've had $100,000 dead or alive posters all over MegaCity.
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 3:38
I start getting into the merv scene about 11:40 Ish, but Trinity does die, Merv brings the Assassin in so there's your Morpheus hit & good luck catching Seraph
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Yea, but Trinity doesn't die because of The Merovingian, she dies because Neo crashed a hovercraft.
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 3:39
But yeah, specifically to the key maker, Merv destroyed the Oracle's shell & tried to kill code her again in mxo
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Also, The Merovingian already got his pound of flesh from Seraph, there's a reason he's called Wingless.
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 3:40
So it's not like he sat back like a punk on the situations, he was shot calling & doing boss shit
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I can only imagine the torture of pulling out the wings of the Heaven's Matrix agent.
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Must be like pulling wings off of a fly.
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There really should be a Seraph origin story.
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 3:42
I have to look that up in the Ortiz doc... I only remember the winged agents in game but not the history between Merv & Seraph
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Yea, I believed the Winged Agents are from the first Matrix, and with the nickname "Wingless" I'm making the assumption that Seraph was one of those agents.
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So maybe Smith wasn't the only Agent who could think outside of his agent programming.
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Neomatrixology 29.12.2020. 3:44
Yeah they are from the Matrix Beta 1 Version Eden
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The Merv is just system of control for the programs that have been marked for deletion. Even though he boasts about causality, it still comes down to a choice, and he knows it.
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Does anyone else watch other films and think, "How does this tie into the Matrix?" There is one I always do that with and it's rather silly. Berry Gordy's the Last Dragon.
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Metalogic 5.1.2021. 21:54
Nah, not really
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Neomatrixology 5.1.2021. 22:08
The Warriors (Exile Wars)
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Deleted User 6.1.2021. 0:41
Is it known how many scenes with Aaliyah were filmed before she died and if any made it into the final cut?
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Does anyone else watch other films and think, "How does this tie into the Matrix?" There is one I always do that with and it's rather silly. Berry Gordy's the Last Dragon.
Sometimes series, games and music as well. What's the Last Dragon about?
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She was supposed to play Zee, so none of them are in the final cut.
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flashback
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Neomatrixology 6.1.2021. 2:29
I believe that the scenes from the tribute in my last video is all she did.... so the cave rave, link coming home, "the war is over" & perhaps a Zion link/Zee scene that didn't make the final cut (edited)
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Metalogic 6.1.2021. 2:30
Which one was Zee?
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Link's SO
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Metalogic 6.1.2021. 2:42
Ahh, the one that gave him the necklace
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Tank and Dozer's sister
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Metalogic 6.1.2021. 2:43
RIP Dozer
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zappenbrau 6.1.2021. 2:58
indeed
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Deleted User 7.1.2021. 3:59
Currently watching the first movie in 4k uhd
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Looks fucking rad
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zappenbrau 7.1.2021. 4:20
yoo, that's dope
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Deleted User 8.1.2021. 8:23
when is trailer out????
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for the matrix 4 ?
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Deleted User 8.1.2021. 11:20
yes
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@Ebola
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If it’s coming out in November I’d say the first trailer will be out in June or July, second in September or October
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Dec 22
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I e heard teaser early this year, but my source has been unreliable
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Neomatrixology 8.1.2021. 15:53
My guess is spring
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probably a small teaser in spring and a big trailer in the summer
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 11.1.2021. 8:27
My partner likes trains and stuff and noticed that in twitter someone called Morpheus works for transport for London and was just like "Oh I think the Matrix generation grew up"
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Realistically, I think we'll get a special look in EW or something in April or May. (edited)
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Turns out Owen Wilson and Salma Hayek are in the matrix: https://ew.com/movies/bliss-trailer-exclusive-owen-wilson-salma-hayek/
Owen Wilson and Salma Hayek escape from reality in the exclusive trailer for sci-fi romance 'Bliss.'
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The trailer looks pretty good actually
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Deleted User 13.1.2021. 12:41
bam jam!
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ayy it's Bill Nye
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I just saw him in Mank, he played Upton Sinclair
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Wonder if Owen Wilson says 'wow' in this movie
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I think my friend gave the perfect description for The Matrix Revolutions: "Revolutions feels like a TV show that gets canceled so it has to rush through all it’s storyline as quickly as possible to wrap everything up."
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Deleted User 17.1.2021. 15:57
hmmmmmmm
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HMMMMM
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hmmmmMMMMMHMMMmmmmmmMMMmmm
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i think not!
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Revolutions feels like 2-3 movies crammed into 1.
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Neomatrixology 17.1.2021. 16:22
@J.W.R. ironically, that was the series finale of Sense8, and it was paced way better than Revolutions
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The writer from that show is going to pen Part 4, so maybe that's a good sign of things to come.
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sense8 was unwatchable
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I liked it.
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I watched the first episode. I was taken back. I guess I’m pretty vanilla. Then Mx4 was announced, I I plan to revisit after the sequel. Especially since they are using many S8 actors.
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I got through 2 episodes....then...nope. Wasnt compelling, and I didnt want to watch more to see what happened (edited)
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sense8 was basically.....porn
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Sometimes I forget that Gina Torres was in The Matrix.
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Not a fan
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Sometimes I forget that Gina Torres was in The Matrix.
Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 5:47
I met her when she was doing theater before she was in the Matrix. Very beautiful and memorable energy radiated off her
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 5:48
That's amazing.
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Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 5:59
It's nice to see her career is doing well, celebrities can be real hit or miss personality/ego wise in person, of course she wasn't as well known back then, but seemed very down to earth...fun to root for the good guys n gals
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 6:00
Agreed. I don't know much about too many celebrities, but I at least hope Hugo Weaving isn't a douche.
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Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 6:01
Weaving does theater as well... can't say I've ever met him though lol
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 6:02
Yeah, I've seen some pictures of his role in Macbeth.
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I remember a while ago I went to a comic store and on the shelf there was a signed picture of Agent Smith. Too bad it wasn't for sale.
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Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 6:10
Trying to remember if there are any other Matrix actors I crossed paths with, but I don't think so...Every time I see Ming Na Wen in the Mandolorian or anything she's in I get flash backs of crushing on her so hard. She broke thru in theater as well. Used to read me excerpts from Jurassic Park back stage, I was in either 6 or 7th grade & totally in love lol
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 6:11
Honestly, that's wholesome and funny.
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Ming Na Wen is bae
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Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 6:13
Good times indeed
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 6:14
My mother knows I absolutely go head or heels for Hugo Weaving and she says I have poor taste.
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Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 6:18
That makes The Land Of Eternal Pride make even more sense
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 6:19
Indeed, and if you look at my status you will definitely see why it makes sense.
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Neomatrixology 19.1.2021. 6:20
You would know... mom
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zappenbrau 19.1.2021. 6:21
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One cool thing about The Matrix 4 is that there's going to be a buttload of people watching the original film for the first time ever.
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I know reaction videos aren't everyone's cup of tea, but I find immense joy in watching people discover and experience a classic movie or TV show for the first time.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 29.1.2021. 13:53
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Just saw this random meme on reddit and it made me think of this group
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The Matrix has you
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Take the bluepill.
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"Oh why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?" ~ Cypher
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The Matrix movies are back on HBO Max
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Metalogic 1.2.2021. 22:51
Does HBO Max have a android app?
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They do.
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Metalogic 1.2.2021. 22:53
Cool
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Zephireis 2.2.2021. 0:36
Do you guys think they're going to emulate Disney "success" with star wars and follow in their foot steps with The streaming app like D+ and create little spin off shows like the mandalorian after they get done with filming the next movie?
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:38
I think it all depends on how successful Resurrection will be.
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No.
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Star Wars has had 43 years to build a legacy, passed down from fans to their children
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The Matrix had one chance to become the next big thing and it didn't work
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It has a devoted, hardcore audience (like us)
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:41
I'm just thankful that The Matrix franchise doesn't have toys and merchandising that WB been pumping out for the last 20 some odd years.
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Star Wars and Jurassic Park are also easier sells to the general public.
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That's the challenge Matrix 4 has.
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:41
I content that the reason the Disney's Star War Trilogy sucks because it was never about telling a good story, it was about selling new toys and merchandising.
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Philosophical Cyberpunk is not as mainstream as dinosaurs.
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The general public pretty much forgot about The Matrix after the trilogy faded out, and nobody ever heard of The Matrix Online
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Neomatrixology 2.2.2021. 0:42
I did before the Hbomax announcement... when a company spends 150 million & makes half a billion... they want more... if they spend 150 million & break even... they put the teet back in the brasseire
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Every single person I talk to IRL, even hardcore gamers, are like 'What??? There was a Matrix Online???'
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Still, regardless of how you feel about those movies, they had brilliant marketing campaigns.
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:43
I mean, Star Wars stuff sells. It always has and it always will (edited)
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The Matrix can't rely 100% on nostalgia, but it at least behoove them to take notes from how those movies were promoted.
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Star Wars had relentless marketing not just of spinoffs and Christmas specials, but toys toys toys
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And Jurassic Park has dinosaurs.
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It's movies for children, so they fall in love with it when they're young
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Everyone loves dinosaurs.
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:43
Toys, costumes, action figurines, etc.
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Best way to get life long fans that will pass that fandom on to their children
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:44
Too bad Rey was a flat 1 dimensional character.
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Like my annoying nerdy fucking brother in law dressing his kids up as Kylo Renn and shit
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And Rey
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:44
I can't decide who's more annoying in their fangasm, Kylo Ren or The Kid
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lol
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We need a poll
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Neomatrixology 2.2.2021. 0:45
I don't think it's fair to compare to Star Wars, I'd say if anything, it'll have to be closer to trekkies and Star Treks fandom
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Kylo Ren and Stimpy
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Oh, boy..
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:45
and bringing Papa Palpatine back was an ass pull by Disney, they just pulled that right out of their asses.
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@Neomatrixology That's one fair point, but there are others. The W's aren't huge sellouts with their franchise like Lucas is
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Here I was hoping to AVOID discourse about Star Wars.
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"Moichandising, moichandising, moichandising! Where the real money from the movie is made!"
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I went through this shit when the prequels came out.
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I hard;y think my random comment counts as discourse
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:46
Too bad we never got Space Balls 2. That would've been great during the Disney Trilogy's release runs.
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The Sequal
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:46
Space Balls 3: The Search for Space Balls 2.
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Man, I really wished that rumor was true ^
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9 year old me wanted that so bad
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:47
Is Mel Brooks still alive?
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That was the talk of the school
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He's one of the last remaining
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Mel Brooks is in fact alive.
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Gene Wilder passed a while ago
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:47
Someone poke him with a stick and tell him to make the Space Balls sequels.
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Mel Brooks is fuckin 94
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ya Gene dead
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:48
Was Gene Wilder in Space Balls?
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and still funny as fuck
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Nah but Wilder was in most of Brooks' best stuff
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The Producers, Blazing Saddles, Young Frankenstein
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:48
True
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I remember when watching Blazing Saddles used to cause me cramps I would laugh so hard
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the fireside bean...
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shit
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"SOMEONE'S GOTTA GO BACK AND GET A SHITLOAD O' DIMES!"
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BTW, watched Caveman yesterday. Its lost nothing. Funny as heck.
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Slim Pickins ftw
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:49
Fun fact, Gene Wilder got his movie acting debut in the 1967 Bonnie and Clyde movie!
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Cahoots
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He was fantastic in that, and Dr. Strangelove
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I still say cahoots when I want to sound more hickish
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It's too bad Richard Pryor couldn't play the sherriff, but Clevon (sp) Little was absolutely fantastic
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Richard Pryor was, according to Mel Brooks 'a known sniffer'
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and they wouldn't let him play the part
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Neomatrixology 2.2.2021. 0:51
OG Grogu
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Spaceballs The Flamethrower! (The kids love this one)
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:51
known sniffer?
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He was a HUGE cokehead
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Oh man, I saw a clip yesterday from the Richard Pryor roast circa 1970-something. Iwas just after his variety show got cancelled
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:52
Ahh
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where he roasts his roasters
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funny as shit
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It's hard to watch shit like Silver Streak because he is high as FUUUUCK in those movies
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:52
My mind originally went to him being a brown noser
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He's out of his mind high
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Stir Crazy
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I can't stand the Gene Wilder/Richard Pryor movies
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I know a lot of people like them but I just can't dig them
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:53
Didn't Richard Pryor help write Blazing Saddles though?
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Yes,
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he wrote the famous line 'Mongo only pawn in game of life'
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Brooks went out of his way to credit him with that line
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because he loved it so much
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The Blazing Saddles commentary is fantastic, I highly recommend it
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I had my kids watch Young Frankenstein a few years back. They didnt get it
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Mel Brooks commentaries are always awesome
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Metalogic 2.2.2021. 0:54
Gene Wilder didn't like saying the n-word, and I think it was Pryor that told him "Hey man, it's just Thursday or us."
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The guy that had the biggest issue was the dude that said "Come on, how bout a nice n----- work song"
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Clevon Little had to have a long talk with the dude
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He couldn't say the word
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that movie could never be made today
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Brooks talks about that whole exchange too, how Clevon put him at ease and helped him just play the part
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Hell, most Brooks movies are probably soon to be banned
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Ugh, just ban The Producers remake lol
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The Producers is still probably my favorite thing he ever did lol
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or the original. Never a fan of that one
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lol
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Oh man I've seen that so many times
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Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder are fucking MAGIC together
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Yeah but you also liked Raised by Wolves. so there is a curve
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lol totally unrelated
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I also like Johnny Mnemonic, and that's a terrible movie
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I dig that one too
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Its on HBOMax
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I think I will watch it tomorrow
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Have you seen Cypher, with Jeremy Northam? Directed by Vincenzo Natali (Cube, Splice)
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Another kinda cheesy cyberpunk great imo
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Lucy Liu is in that too
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And the guy that did the soundtrack did Donnie Darko
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sounds familiar. Lucy Liu makes it familiar
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I heard she was born with a tail
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It's Vincenzo Natali so it has his signature naive approach, but man
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That's another I've watched and rewatched so many times
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Way worth seeing imo, any fan of cyberpunk is already accustomed to a little cheese lol
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Hence your being a fan of Johnny Mnemonic
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It's not that kind of cheese tho, different flavor
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Aren't they supposed to be making the Sprawl Trilogy
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dunno what that is :/
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I thought I heard that before all the covid bs
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Necromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive
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the original cyberpunk
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I remember when watching Blazing Saddles used to cause me cramps I would laugh so hard
Me too 100%
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laugh headache
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"Isn't anyone going to help that poor man??"
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Oh and also, I fucking ADORE that Clevon broke character when he laughed at Gene's short speech about 'these are simple people, salt of the earth, common clay, you know.... Morons.'
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so many great moments
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It was improvised or something, but he genuinely cracked Clevon Little up
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Supposedly Tim Miller is directing the Sprawl Trilogy movies
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Is it a book series now or something
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Ive never heard of it
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it is what started cyberpunk.
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I love that that crackup is real
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PKD started cyberpunk
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William Gibson had a hand in that too
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but you didnt answer my question
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William Gibson had a hand in that too
Ill allow that
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William Gibson wrote the Sprawl
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well there ya go
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so...a book
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Neuromancer started cyberpunk for me personally
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That started my journey
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but PKD is the fountain head for me
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right
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Yeah they were books written in the early 80s
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Ill have to take a read
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weird Ive never heard of it....
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There were so many attempts to make Neuromancer into a movie,
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But once The Matrix was made, it was outdated
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(imo)
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Yeah since the Matrix is based on it...
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exactly
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yup
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same idear
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but different
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hahahaha
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The Matrix is based heavily on Ghost in the Shell, which is based on Neuromancer
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But The Matrix also bases heavily straight from Neuromancer
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but I was told its trans allegory
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It's like a good sandwich
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lol irl
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without onions
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Nah it had at least one onion
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"The image translators work for the construct"
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I ain't eating it then
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that's an onion right there
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lol
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uuuughhhh that god damn read
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It confused me in the theater, I had to mentally repeat it....
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please, joey pants, say "The image translators work for the construct, but there's way too much information to decode the matrix"
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even when I got the DVD I replayed it...am I missing somehting?
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technobabble
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no it's not technobabble
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poor diction
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it's just he emphasized the wrong word
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he could have read it straight, no emphasis
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he's saying they can see video in the construct because the bandwidth is narrow
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new episode of Swamp People
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but they can't possibly decode imagery from the matrix
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super simple
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Well I understand that
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he just read it wrong
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I was a satcom tech in a former life (edited)
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and said "FOR the construct"
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instead of "WORKS for the construct"
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"Sure, it works for this, but not for that"
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even emphasising "construct" would have been better
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but when you emphasize the word "for," the sentence means something else entirely
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so the image translators do something to serve the construct? wat?
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fucking joey pants
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he didnt understand what he was saying
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dafuq are you talking about you drunk-on-engine-degreaser, traitor motherfucker?
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lolol
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just speak english
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well, he was the devil
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Right, and it's fine that the actor doesn't understand what they're saying
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loved him in Sopranos though
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Director shoulda been like 'uh, yo, hode up'
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so great in sopranos
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HODE UP
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DA FUQ you doing joey
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Man I need to watch that again
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Omg Joey Pants as Ralph Cifaretto,
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What a fantastic character
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I have the DVDs but its so much easier to stream
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Man I need to watch that again
right?
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I have the whole set, found it at a thrift store for 15 bucks
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oooo thats deal
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Don't care that it's streaming, I want the fuckin DVDs
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Want all the special features, all the stuff
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I like things people cant take away, I agree
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like the original SW trilogy
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Yes, that and I don't want shit that DEPENDS ON INFRASTRUCTURE
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like the innernet
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Welp, no interwebs, guess we can't watch The Sopranos
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I think I ripped season 2 & 3 when I was in Iraq from our media server
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I really can't wait for The Many Saints of Newark
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The Sopranos prequel movie
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Each episode is on its own dvd
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Made by the creator of the sopranos
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Yeah that looks good
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And Tony Soprano is played by his son
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yup
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When i first heard about it, I thought it was a series.
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@69.5 The one I have, there are like 6 discs per box or something, like 4 episodes per disc?
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I dunno if I have the older or newer printing
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Yeah I have like 4 seasons of the real ones
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but two seasons are just a bunch of dvdrws
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Ah ok
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Yeah dude I could not believe my fucking eyes,
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One episode each
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I walked into the SPCA,
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Because our software sucked ass
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and there's the ENTIRE FUCKING SERIES,
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And the last 4 seasons weren't even unwrapped yet
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(So obviously somebody died)
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yeah thats awesome
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I paid like $59 per season
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Jesus christ!
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except the 2 I stole
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These things were in brand new condition
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so it kinds evens out
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I knew I got a steal but had no idea how much of one
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I really need to get Season 1 back from my dad,
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if he hasn't watched it yet, he's not gonna
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I think the first box set I bought was babylon 5. It was like 50 or 60 bones for 23 episodes
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I really wanted him to because I know he likes gangster stuff,
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but more importantly, so much of that show takes place in our old stomping grounds
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The Soprano house in North Caldwell was bike riding distance from my house
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fancy
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Grew up in West Caldwell
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I mean, LONG bike ride, but still bike ride lolol
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There was a rusted ole model T that had grass and a tree growing out of it a block from my house
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and a lot of cows
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But all the areas in the show, holy shit, I recognize so many of those areas (edited)
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everyplace is a long bike ride, if you ride long enough
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Couldn't believe that show took place in the fuckin Caldwells lol
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lol
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I remember when the city of Lakeland finally extended out past our house, so we could finally get a mailbox and didn't have to drive into town to check the po box
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They made Edward Scissorhands in my hometown.
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Neomatrixology 2.2.2021. 1:30
"Whoooerz" - Ralph Cifareto (edited)
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Also, the monkey movie that came out this summer was made there too. They used one of our old art deco shopping centers as a template for some building.
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I think it was a cgi movoe. didnt see it myself
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I always hear 'Whoo-erz' in Chris Moltisanti's voice
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Yeah the last 2-3 shows hes been in, his accent is all off.
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Also, poor fucking Adriana....
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I can't get into the show because Christopher doesnt sound like christopher
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haha
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what else has he been in?
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And did his eyebrows get cast as well?
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Ummm.. Life on Mars
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I wonder if they get their own paychecks
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There was another cop show last year I think
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maybe it was a movie
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He's a distinct looking dude, I don't think I've seen anything else he's done (edited)
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someone wiki him and see what hes been in
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Meanwhile Michael Gandolfini (James Gandolfini's son) was in The Deuce, that was a GREAT show (edited)
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But the character he played makes it really hard for me to picture him playing a young Tony Soprano
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He's a real punkass
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meh.. its acting, right
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He was in something else too,
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and equally punky
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Maybe he's a new Vince vaughn
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We'll see
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It's a cross between weiner and punk
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punky weiner
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It doesn't help that he absolutely has that look lol
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Or who'se that other guy who plays the same character in every movie
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oh THAT guy
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yeah him
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let's see, Tom Hanks,
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Christopher Walken (sorry chris)
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Al Pacino lately
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The blond guy from Zoolander
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The other model
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He used to act, but now he just does Al Pacino
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Oh lol Owen Wilson
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Wow
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same character
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"Wow"
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every movie
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"If I were Percodan, where would I be?"
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Love 'Permanent Midnight' (edited)
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Even that serious movie where he and his family were trying to escape from some foreign country during a revolution... same character
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Only difference is sometimes he talks fast, like in The Darjeeling Limited, and other times he talks slow, like in The Royal Tennenbaums
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No Escape
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And sometimes he says 'wow' a lot, sometimes he says 'wow' a little
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:D
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Drunk/High
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Bottle Rocket, that's Darjeeling Limited style Owen Wilson
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His Brother Luke is a little more dynamic
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Dude, I never put it together that they were brothers
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true story
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lol
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TYL
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if im attending class and do my homework stuff, does that mean im eating the blue pill?
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Zach? There are COUNTLESS AT&T customer service reps who would love to speak with you. https://t.co/ltdynZ405s
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One of my biggest issues with Revolutions is how Morpheus gets almost nothing to do after being such an integral character in the first two films.
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Characters have to remain as useful as they were when a series of movies starts?
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I don't get it
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Man, Michael Corleone was cool when he was just a background character that didn't want anything to do with his father's business, I liked it like that
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But then wtf, now he's the boss?
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lol sorry, first example I could think of
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haha
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I mean that compared to his role 1 and 2, Morpheus is kind of underused in 3.
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Yeah, you said that
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Don't get me wrong, the scene where the Hammer fights the Sentinels is fun, I just wish we got to see Morpheus play a bigger role in the Battle of Zion.
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Seems like the W's were big on purpose, and Moshimo had a clear purpose
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To find The One
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After that, you had moments like 'I have dreamed a dream, and now that dream is gone from me'
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He fulfilled his purpose and the big picture kept moving forward
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The Neb being destroyed was really symbolic to that effect imo
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His purpose in MxO was even 'find Neo's body'
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Acquire, rather
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(as I understand the MxO plot)
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Neomatrixology 3.2.2021. 22:21
Morpheus helped find Neo in Revolutions... kind of his thing
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W and Moshimo?
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W = Wachowskis, Moshimo = Morpheus
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how many times have you guys watched matrix films? (edited)
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A lot.
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I've been frequently obsessed with them since I was 5.
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(Yes, 5. I watched a lot of movies I was probably way too young to be watching at the time)
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how old are you now?
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22. I'll be 23 in March.
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Manic Velocity 5.2.2021. 16:15
I've lost count how many times I've seen them, but I usually marathon them on my birthday
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I watch them at least once a year.
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where to get the french translation from every Merovingian dialogues?
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What are the exiles in the Matrix?
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zappenbrau 5.2.2021. 16:53
Programs that don't return to the Source.
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Exiles from what I can gather are programs who decide not to return to the Source for deletion.
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Programs written by the machines?
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Yes.
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Programs written by the Machines that became obsolete and marked for deletion, but chose not to.
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Neomatrixology 5.2.2021. 17:52
The Oracle: Oh, well, not like me. But… Look, see those birds? At some point a program was written to govern them. A program was written to watch over the trees, and the wind, the sunrise, and sunset. There are programs running all over the place. The ones doing their job, doing what they were meant to do, are invisible. You’d never even know they were here. But the other ones, well, we hear about them all the time. Neo: I’ve never heard of them. The Oracle: Of course you have. Every time you’ve heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you’ve ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens is the system assimilating some program that’s doing something they’re not supposed to be doing. Neo: Programs hacking programs. Why? The Oracle: They have their reasons, but usually a program chooses exile when it faces deletion. Neo: And why would a program be deleted? The Oracle: Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it – happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to The Source. (edited)
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do vampires really exist?
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Neomatrixology 5.2.2021. 18:06
Yes
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Keanu is starting to show his age though for real
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Metalogic 6.2.2021. 0:53
It's almost time for him to regenerate into the same form for the 50th time.
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DustyVinyl 6.2.2021. 4:54
This is about to become a Dr Who crossover
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Deleted User 6.2.2021. 10:17
@Muz that guy doesnt look real
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he looks fake
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or hes pretending and its a facade
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does anyone know what kind of computer Neo was using when he was sleeping in matrix 1?
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Do not try and use the computer, that's impossible. ... there is no computer. Then you will see it is not the program that runs , it is only yourself.
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i hope the computer do not bends...
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New curved memory.
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Metalogic 16.2.2021. 3:23
It's guaranteed to increase your speed.
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does anyone remember old matrix forum message board, zion last free city back in early 00s?
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Yup
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what was your username?
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Most likely Vesuveus. I found it while playing the Matrix online, probably in 2005. But the game forums were my go-to
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btw do you guys know the music we listen to nowadays are tuned 440 hertz, instead of the original tuning?
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btw do you guys know the music we listen to nowadays are tuned 440 hertz, instead of the original tuning?
LJJoeBailey 24.2.2021. 18:08
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it is seriously a conspiracy...
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anyone here knows how to access the dark web?
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There are guides. I watched one
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Decided I don’t need to take the risk.
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what is the risk?
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I read that you are vulnerable to other people
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Metalogic 27.2.2021. 0:27
Why do you want to access the dark web? @Muz
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i like to see how crimes are operated on the web...
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Metalogic 27.2.2021. 0:36
What kind of crimes?
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drugs, etc...
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Deleted User 27.2.2021. 0:44
Sounds like a great idea 🙂
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they are hidden from google, correct?
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zappenbrau 27.2.2021. 0:56
I highly recommend avoiding the dark net. - Someone who was with someone who used it multiple times.
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What was you’re experience?
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The net was dark and full of terrors
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Metalogic 27.2.2021. 1:33
@Muz I think you're going to have to be "in the know" to understand how transaction of illegal contrabands are traded on the Dark net. There's not like a hidden website called "Gary's highly illegal guns R Us.net.com." (edited)
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So unless you're doing this for a school project, I say, forgettabaoutit
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zappenbrau 27.2.2021. 4:00
My expierence wasn't anything out of the extraordinary, mostly would watch it sometimes with videos of people dying, or other links that mentioned drugs n shit. My partner, who I was with who was using the darknet didn't want me involved anymore after they spammed some links and came across some CP.
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I was pretty okay with the gore stuff as I'm not bothered by it, nor the drugs, they were insistent about it and I never pushed it aftr that.
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people dying?
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zappenbrau 27.2.2021. 4:14
Yeah, it's a nice way of saying: "people being murdered," although non-murder related videos were present.
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btw does anyone know why there is chest pain after waking from sleep?
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Why are you asking this in #matrix-films
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Please ask/talk about this kind of stuff in the #general channel which is for non-matrix related miscellany (edited)
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Manic Velocity 27.2.2021. 22:00
The official Twitter account of The Matrix movie - coming soon.
Followers
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animatedthinking animatedthinking animatedthinking animatedthinking animatedthinking
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The Matrix movie 🤔
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LJJoeBailey 27.2.2021. 22:11
It's... verified? 🤔 (edited)
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zappenbrau 27.2.2021. 22:33
Makes sense, Twitter is charging for tweets too.
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Same as Instagram account name
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Thanks for sharing, @Manic Velocity !
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Manic Velocity 27.2.2021. 22:58
It's a verified account. They don't juist give out that check mark like they used to. I'd say it's legit
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@Manic Velocity Give them your credit card information and then report back.
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Manic Velocity 27.2.2021. 23:00
Will do 😄
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1 private post!!!!!!!
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WHAT ARE THEY HIDING
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Probably an African Prince trying to give you her money.
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how would you guys feel if the matrix movie is cancelled?
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Metalogic 28.2.2021. 2:01
Eh
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just saying...
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Metalogic 28.2.2021. 2:02
I wouldn't be too broken up about it
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At least we'd have Sonic 2 (edited)
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... and Dune.
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Metalogic 28.2.2021. 2:43
and probably The Croods 3
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Well Dune I'm actually really looking forward to. I would be really surprised of Denis Villenueve fucks this up
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He ain’t.
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I actually had a dream I was Paul Atreides last night, super weird/random. But the sand worms were cool.
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FATHER! EBOLA HAS AWAKENED!
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Fear is the mind killer.
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What's in the box?
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Pain.
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Flesh crisping and dropping off
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Ving Rhames had a good 'agonizing pain' in Pulp Fiction
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so good.
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what happen if neo goes through the right door in matrix reloaded?
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Sentinels destroy Zion. Neo reloads the matrix and rebuilds Zion.
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who rebuild zion?
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Metalogic 8.3.2021. 3:56
There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion.
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The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion.
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so the ones before neo all selected right door?
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Metalogic 8.3.2021. 3:58
Yes
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so in true canon zion was destroyed 5 times? (edited)
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Metalogic 8.3.2021. 3:58
Yep
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The Cycle is, The One reaches The Architect and The Source, Zion gets destroyed by Zero One's Squid army, everyone in Zion dies. The One chooses the right door, reinserting the Prime Program (reloading The Matrix) and then he chooses 23 individuals, 16 females and 7 males to rebuild Zion.
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Rinse and repeat every 100 years or so.
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The 23 individuals and The Oracle perpetuate the lie that mankind's salvation will be born within The Matrix and will bring an end to the Man- Machine war. Which given enough time reach mythical status.
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are there names of the ones before neo? or just not known?
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Metalogic 8.3.2021. 4:03
It's never stated
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It's just that The Cycle happened 5 times, Neo was supposed to bring an end to the 6th Cycle, etc.
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Gio, Trio, Rio, Dio, Splee-o and Fred.
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The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion.
I always wondered about the male to female ratio
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Metalogic 8.3.2021. 15:32
Gotta repopulate Zion
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More women = more babies
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Of course with the 16 women and 7 men, I wonder how they avoid inbreeding and the genetic difficulties that comes with that.
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I'm sure the first Zion had a lot of inbreeding and deformities that would make the English crown blush.
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8 males. The One counts
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splee-o gets all the ladies
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LJJoeBailey 8.3.2021. 18:28
Gotta say these are fun notifications to get every couple hours
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Yeah, the uneven number only makes inbreeding more likely
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Assuming the One dies within a few years, he can impregnate at least 2 ladies, easy.
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dude, hes getting all 17
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Plus extracting Redpills, adding them to the mix
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there will be no redpills
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Eventually, there will be
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until the next One - which youd assume would be decades
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right
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What do you mean?
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well, you have to assume that the next one will be a child of the ones chosen to live
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I imagine they start extracting Redpills as soon as they get a ship up and running
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since we know the current One isnt the next One
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I mean, dont they have to dig out and resettle
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looked like a mess to me
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The next One is genetically designed and plugged in to the matrix like the previous 6
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I think the sentinels start the clean up process immediately
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Zion is partially or mostly machine built
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we dont know anything about genetic designing, but Id agree with the rest
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It’s stated in mxo
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and that is where we part ways
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in any event, many years before any new men are breeding
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Couple years.
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I wonder if there was any reseach done as to the minumum amount of people needed to repopulate the world
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without the gene pool getting screwy
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I have checked population rates. Can’t get to 250k in 100 years without Redpills
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in a movie you can
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🙂
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I have no idea how Redpills would affect the rate without the rate of Redpills extracted
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assume no redpills
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looks like to avoid genetic problems, you need 2500 people
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Repopulating the world after the apocalypse However, to retain evolutionary potential – to remain genetically flexible and diverse – the IUCN criteria suggest we would need at least 500 effective individuals. That requires a population of 2,500 to 5,000
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500 can breed, the rest are genetically related somehow
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Oy!
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Well, they chose those numbers for a reason. I would like to know why
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Assuming the One dies within a few years, he can impregnate at least 2 ladies, easy.
Neomatrixology 8.3.2021. 18:48
2? You must not know bout that David Koresh flow
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At least
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Besides, too many offspring will create problems
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Neomatrixology 8.3.2021. 18:50
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Well, they chose those numbers for a reason. I would like to know why
exactly! Im curious
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Thats overall fantastic....dont love the Will Ferrell part, but the rest is hilarious
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To each, other than a couple movies, I cant stand his humor (edited)
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He was great in Stranger than Fiction tho
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Not usually a fan of his comedy shit either but I thought his Architect stuff was pretty funny. My beef in the MTV reloaded thing is always andy dick. Fuck that guy (edited)
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Yeah I think we've talked about Andy Dick in here before, but I agree, fuck him
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Metalogic 13.3.2021. 2:40
Andy Dick was responsible for Phil Hartman's death
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so fuck him
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Yep
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Besides sexually assaulting a bunch of dudes
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And just not being funny
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Metalogic 13.3.2021. 4:31
I mean, you could make a case of being an accessory to murder after the fact in regards to Andy Dick.
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Right, besides that you have the sexual assault shit, and not being funny
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So many reasons
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But apparently he's OK legally as far as accessory to murder, if anything was going to happen with that it would have happened by now
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Metalogic 13.3.2021. 4:34
True
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I think it's safe to say that no one will miss Andy Dick when he kicks the bucket.
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Neomatrixology 13.3.2021. 5:30
You can't get him on the accessory charge, but possession & perhaps even distribution, since he clearly admitted to distributing the narcotic...that would've been the least the authorities could've done considering people died
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Irony: Smith becomes the very thing he accused humanity of being: a virus.
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Irony: Smith becomes the very thing he accused humanity of being: a virus.
Neomatrixology 18.3.2021. 18:33
Only after Neo corrupts Smith does he become a virus though
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Yes.
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So...he caught the virus from humanity....🤯
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zappenbrau 18.3.2021. 19:58
It'a big brain time.
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So, what's the cut off age for freeing people from the Matrix?
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I know that the younger a person is when they're unplugged, the easier they'll be able to cope with the truth.
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But at what point is a person still plugged in deemed "too old"?
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I think adolescence or puberty
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I can see that.
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Pre-teens (maybe 13 max) might be the cut off.
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Puberty is when the mind is in its formative years.
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Cypher was older, obviously Neo
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What do we assume the consequences are
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Trauma and shock.
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What do we assume the consequences are
Imagine learning that your whole life was a lie. That the connections you've made with your family and friends weren't real. You'd probably go mad.
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Another guess is 25, since that's when your mind reaches full maturity.
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I'm going with 25 because even as a teenager, you can still adapt and adjust to new situations. Not so much with old people like me.
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Though I imagine there's a cut off date for how young the person should be when they're unplugged.
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Probably no younger than 10 or 12.
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Young enough to process being unplugged, old enough that they can be at least somewhat self sufficient and help their crew.
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I dunno, Spoon Boy seem at least 8 or 9.
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True.
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I'd def say no younger than like 7 or 8,
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Id say anytime before 3 or 4 is fine
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kids dont remember stuff that young
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7 issh is when you begin to develop long term memories
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I think adolescence or puberty
Neomatrixology 21.3.2021. 15:20
This is probably the best guess as far as a direct answer to the question based on the kids in the Oracles care. Of course there are exceptions. In the Matrix Comics Morpheus offers an adult female the red or blue pill. There are also a few examples of children aware of the Matrix that are very young but no specific ages are provided & then there's the cases of Michael Karl Popper a teen & adult athlete Dan Davis, who both free themselves through self substantiation.
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Im not sure how old cypher is supposed to be in the movie.....30's? But talking with Smith he says
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Cypher : You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
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Seems like there is no hard fast rule
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Maybe every mind is different
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Seems reasonable
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inconceivable
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I think Zion watches a potential redpill for awhile before deciding whether or not to wake them up.
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Think it has more to do with an individuals attachment to their world. Someone who has 20+ years in the matrix inevitably has friends, family, and people who could keep them from taking the red pill. I think the age range shown in The Oracle’s apartment is this on full display. All young.
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Also an element of creativity and acceptance. A kid is far more likely to believe you if you tell them “birds aren’t real” where as you gotta find some screwed up heads to really think that idea is true
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Basically Neo was a nut case.
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Or the Wachowskis were just ripping off Lucas.
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Neomatrixology 22.3.2021. 7:59
Originally the Thomas Anderson family was in the original script, parents and I believe a brother, but they didn't make the rounds of cuts
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My kid HATED change when he was young. If you have a kid thats 10 or 12, ask them if they want to move, go to a new school, get new friends.
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Now imagine they have to start an entire new life.
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Nah, movie fiction aside, Id say young kids are the worst candidates. (unless very young as I mentioned already - they dont really know any better)
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Originally the Thomas Anderson family was in the original script, parents and I believe a brother, but they didn't make the rounds of cuts
First time I’ve ever heard that and I can’t say I remember reading it in the 96 draft or the pieces from the 94. Happen to know the source of that?
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First time I’ve ever heard that and I can’t say I remember reading it in the 96 draft or the pieces from the 94. Happen to know the source of that?
Neomatrixology 22.3.2021. 19:22
I have to ask where did you get access to earlier copies of the script? Anything I've seen online that claimed to be an original script has been suspect & lacking in credibility
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I have to ask where did you get access to earlier copies of the script? Anything I've seen online that claimed to be an original script has been suspect & lacking in credibility
Art of The Matrix has segments of the 94 draft and the final shooting script used for filming. The 96 and 97 drafts are online. I didn’t see anything in there that stood out as red flag for authenticity. (edited)
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Neomatrixology 22.3.2021. 19:29
Yeah I haven't gotten a chance to read Art of the Matrix in its entirety yet but have access to it so I'll have to check that out.... thanks for the link I'll take a look
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Oh it's dope. Basically the first film in comic form. The 98 script that's included can be found anywhere. But the pieces from the 94 draft are the real treasure. Small bits like Morpheus brining Neo a small cake on the Neb (edited)
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But the 94 pieces are woefully incomplete so Neo could have had a family in it and that part of the story just got cut by 96.
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Neomatrixology 22.3.2021. 19:32
Yea Art of the Matrix is official so anything in there can be counted on
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I just noticed this interesting parallel: The Matrix Neo: No, I don't believe it. It's not possible! Morpheus: I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. I just said it would be the truth. The Matrix Reloaded Morpheus: I don't believe that. Neo: I know it isn't easy to hear. But I swear to you it's the truth.
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Deleted User 31.3.2021. 2:05
HAPPY 22ND BIRTHDAY to The Matrix 🥳 🎂 🎉
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Us yanks are still counting down, but happy bday indeed
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Too bad we don't get a theatrical re-release at 22, but so glad we got it at 20!
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Randomly just saw that the trilogy is on HBO max
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Think that thread covered the OPs question. Cypher thinks they are indirectly going to end up killing Neo.
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Manic Velocity 31.3.2021. 5:00
@here Live reading of the first draft of the Matrix script is about to start here: https://www.twitch.tv/lifeactionroleplay
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Neomatrixology 31.3.2021. 5:04
I still have to doubt that any draft available or online is the "first" draft
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One thing I will say about that 1996 April draft that's online is that it is the only draft or script that details out Morpheus' fight with Agents and police using a manhole cover. Which is something we know got storyboarded.
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Happy 22nd anniversary
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Manic Velocity 31.3.2021. 16:20
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Manic Velocity 31.3.2021. 16:27
Directed by Jennifer Miguel. With Sasha Bossiouk, Ben English, Seril James, Sandra Smith. In Matrix word, a man (Ben English as pump man) getting the red pill and then wakes up in realty and starting to hunt beautiful girls with his big weapon and shows them the joy of orgasm in real world.
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In Matrix word, a man (Ben English as pump man) getting the red pill and then wakes up in realty and starting to hunt beautiful girls with his big weapon and shows them the joy of orgasm in real world.
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LJJoeBailey 31.3.2021. 16:31
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"Are you sick?"
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Manic Velocity 31.3.2021. 16:33
it was matrix trick
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lol the trivia
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Neomatrixology 31.3.2021. 17:44
So that's not the low budget pornt film then? Confusion (edited)
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Deleted User 31.3.2021. 18:57
Marvel: Pump Man
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Neo was wake from sleeping and he shout at Trinity "Help you I think your dead"
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Trinity watch in amazing!
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hahah
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that will never not be funny to me
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Neomatrixology 5.4.2021. 2:39
Questions for the coders & tech savvy: How would you explain the Agents ability to possess a blue pill? Towards the end of the original Matrix film it appears as if any civilian who made visual contact with Neo flagged the system, yet it's not like any time a random blue pill laid eyes on Neo did they become an agent...thoughts?
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Metalogic 5.4.2021. 2:44
As Morpheus explained at the beginning of the first film, every person plugged into The Matrix is an potential agent. This meaning anyone hard-wired into The Matrix such as bluepills. Since the bluepill are a part of The System, The Machines can wire-tap into any bluepill to know what's going on. For the transformation part, it's like a demonic possession. The Agent takes over the bluepill
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bluepill's body and that bluepill becomes an Agent for The System.
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Laymen's terms, I would think of bluepills as a security camera. The system puts out an APB to track a specific SID (in this case Neo's unique identifier) and whenever someone sees it, they send a ping back saying 'here he is'. Then the Agents just Chose which bluepill to take over. Rince. Repeat.
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Kinda like Solar Winds before the breach.
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Metalogic 5.4.2021. 2:48
You know that scene in The Dark Knight where Batman taps into every cell phone in Gotham and uses that to find The Joker? It's like that.
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No. You are totally wrong. Mine is the right one.
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One thing I wonder is: do the bluepills die once they’re done being used by an agent? (hi everybody)
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we've never seen an agent leave one unless they are already dead
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but apparently they just have memory loss about what happened if they leave before that
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Yeah that’s what I thought... makes you wonder if they just wake up no memory where the agent left them
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So you might end up on top of a skyscraper with no recollection of how you ended up there haha
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and you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
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An agent leaves a swat in enter the matrix. The swat says something like “I don’t know how I got here.”
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Welcome back ouranos!
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Neomatrixology 5.4.2021. 17:21
In the Matrix Comic Day In Day Out Agent White Takes over a blue pill, gets her/his arm blown off & then she wakes up in the middle of the street with no memory of how or why she's been mutilated perhaps the absolute worst case of the Mondays in the Matrix Universe
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 6.4.2021. 16:00
You all know the animatrix?
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Metalogic 6.4.2021. 16:00
Yes
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 6.4.2021. 16:00
You know how like in the films the machines are painted as the bad guys? But wasn't it the humans who wouldn't leave the machines alone?
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Although i guess they're from a human perspective
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Ofc we'd see the enemy as the bad guys
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Metalogic 6.4.2021. 16:01
Yes
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 6.4.2021. 16:02
Although i guess thinking about it, it feels like the humans are more in the wrong :/
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Omg
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Metalogic 6.4.2021. 16:03
Agreed
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 6.4.2021. 17:12
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Neomatrixology 6.4.2021. 17:17
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Metalogic 6.4.2021. 17:18
The Second Renaissance: There are no good sides, just assholes.
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I mean, I think we can all agree that the machines nuking the UN building after the humans had surrender was a dick move.
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Neomatrixology 6.4.2021. 17:19
Major Flex... here for it
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I just finished watching The Second Ren parts 1 and 2 and World Record with my daughter earlier this morning. She's 16. She's all in. Heard her talk to her friend about it. It will live on.
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Neomatrixology 7.4.2021. 17:48
Great art stands the test of time
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 8.4.2021. 12:09
Yes but didn't the machines attempt to make peace several times at first?
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Neomatrixology 8.4.2021. 17:12
Yes, they did 🍎
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
Yes but didn't the machines attempt to make peace several times at first?
And this is why I look at the Matrix universe and say, "This is actually a eutopic option."
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Lets be clear of this: Machines were never meant to be our equal, its why they were our servants. They still lack the human quality of empathy. Even The Oracle was being manipulative. She literally convinced Morpheus this was all a prophecy when it was nothing more than Chess being played between AI. If toying with someones life is anyones idea of empathy/humanism, then I say you dont know what that is. So many people died because Morpheus believed they were "THE ONE". Whats a human life worth? Had B166ER not blatantly murdered its owners, the war wouldn't have started to begin with. The machines struck first in that regard. Humans are assholes, but those machines STILL were our property, not our equals.
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Neomatrixology 14.4.2021. 9:08
Whole heartedly disagree with that take & would go even as so far as to say that was not the Wachowski's message at all. That's exactly how slave owners talked about their "property" and in the Matrix Comic Bits & Pieces of Information B166-er's lawyer quotes the racist US Supreme Court Roger Brooke Tanny to emphasize that point. I already went over all the subtext and historical references in detail: https://youtu.be/MzDVBCR1zFQ
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As far as the Oracle being manipulative, so what? That doesn't speak towards her intentions being good or bad, since A: she saved more lives with her method than the previous methods that crashed and killed everyone & B: ultimately Neo fulfilled the prophecy & brokered peace after 6 tries. The whole Oracle evil program narrative is both philosophically & fundamentally flawed.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 14.4.2021. 9:53
I mean did Oracle know? Oh wow
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yeah when you look at this and what you take away is that machines lack empathy and we don't.... ahem... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGzMfg381Y
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Don Davis’ Complete ‘The Matrix’ Score to Be Released
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Varèse Sarabande Records has announced a number of new soundtrack LPs on Record Store Day 2021’s newly announced release dates, including a deluxe 3-LP set f
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vinyl only. kind of irritated i missed out on the cd version
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you didnt see it in general and just came up onto it on the internet ?
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getting pretty popular if so
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bwagologk
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Saw it earlier in another discord, shit be explodin
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Manic Velocity 23.4.2021. 22:18
I did not see it earlier
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like I check every channel (edited)
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Was this filmed with a potato?
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What is this? A resolution for ANTS?!
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bootleg quality.
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camcorder in the theater, sellin on the streets
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man when I was a little kid, a dude my dad worked with gave him a bootleg VHS of Aladdin, it was exactly that. Some shitty camcorder, even hi-8 or anything, pointed at the screen recording the terrible sound from the room lol
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Not one word was understood
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You kids today with your same day pirates 1080p!
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We could only watch Christmas movie is December!
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I used to buy pirated movies all the time in the streets of Ramadi, Al Asad or Mosul when I was in in those parts. I actually saw a bootlegged pre-release copy of Revenge of the Sith that has all the metadata on screen over there. Cost us like $1 a movie. Some of them are actually good quality and some you can tell the guy holding the camera is either coming down off meth, or a 90 year-old with heart problems because it shakes so bad. Most of them you can hear people with New York accents talking, so them bootlegs make it around the world.
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Huh, how long were you in Iraq?
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One summer, a friend of mine lived in queens. So I’d drive out from LI, pick him up and we’d hang out in Times Square til all hours. We would buy lots of pirated music. Tupac was still releasing albums well into the 2000s
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Well that's just Suge Knight milking his dead corpse for all it's worth
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@Metalogic off and on for about 8 years.
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Does anyone know the song that plays in the background in the Merovingian's restaurant?
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oh shit, I don't even have a mental recording of that
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I can't recall wtf it sounds like
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Soft jazz lounge music.
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oh yeah it's waaaaay back there
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wish they'd stfu so I can hear it lol
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I can just hear the bassline
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No idea what that is
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and then the Don Davis stuff covers it up and it fades away
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hmm
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Found it.
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Didn't expect it to be Don Davis
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The Merovingian was essentially of French extraction, which was relevant because the Merovingian’s were located in ancient France, then known as Gaul. Larry and Andy wanted some source music to be playing during the restaurant scene that would emphasise the sleazy playboyness of the Merovingian, but they also wanted the source music to comment on the scene with a little more detail than a piece of music actually playing there would. They wanted the source piece to be lounge music and I thought it maybe should be Brazilian, kind of a jazzy Bossa Nova. At a certain point during the conversation the Merovingian starts to talk about France; he’s drinking a glass of Chateau Haut-Brion (1959) and talks about how wonderful it is to curse in French. So I brought in an accordion at that point and the music changes stylistically to a French pop song. They thought a vocalist would be good and I agreed, but of course we had to determine what lyric the vocalist was going to sing. At one point during the meeting the Merovingian points to a woman in the restaurant and he says, “Look there, look at her, my God just look at her, so obvious, so bourgeois, so boring.” So I took those three lines, “so obvious, so bourgeois, and so boring,” and had them translated into French and Portuguese. The song starts out with those lyrics in Portuguese for the Brazilian part and then when he starts to talk about Chateau Haut-Brion she sings the same phrases in French. That pretty much carries the piece. Since it’s essentially lounge music I had six accompanists; a piano, a stand up bass, a vibraphone player, of course the accordion, and an acoustic guitar player, who also doubled on the sitar. I also brought in a percussionist to layer in quite a bit of Brazilian instruments, congas, cabasas, and things like that, as well as the tablas and tambour for the Indian character.
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Man, I've seen this movie a hundred times and I never noticed how this piece follows the dialogue like that
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Love that Carlos Jobim vibe
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Holy shit, I never noticed that detail before.
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Don Davis just got a ton more points in my list of favorite composers lol
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Film composers specifically tho
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Is he coming back for 4?
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I dont hear any lyrics being sung in either of those clips. To be fair, after a couple minutes I speed ran the rest of the song (edited)
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Ouranos
Is he coming back for 4?
Its almost like he HAS to do the music. Hard to imagine the movie would feel the same without it - and those opening brass trills are must have
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yeah wtf is the matrix without the reflections
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the hell's kitchen sound effect 😉 ?
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not the waterphone, the brass chord reflections theme in the beginning of the score
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waterphones are awesome tho
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rumors are saying Johnny Klimek is the new composer (and/or Tom Tykwer) (edited)
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not really surprising since Lana replaced Bill Pope with John Toll who also worked on Sense8 (edited)
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rumors are saying Johnny Klimek is the new composer (and/or Tom Tykwer) (edited)
Neomatrixology 28.4.2021. 18:42
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No shit, this guy did Run Lola Run?
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Also Cloud Atlas soundtrack was pretty amazing
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dammit the only video of yours I've missed haha
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@bitbomb You remember that 4.5 hour Twin Peaks documentary? He made a sequal.
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So no Don Davis?
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No other Wachowski sister
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No Larry Fishbourne
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Perobably no kid
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No Locke
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Weaving ISNT playing Smith!?
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Im sorry but this is shaping up to be complete bollocks
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At least 1 new character will be a skywalker
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Weaving ISNT playing Smith!?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 15.5.2021. 23:39
Say what again? neo
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also we pick up doogie howser as... something
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lulz if his character name is doogie howser
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lol 'Agent Howser'
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or 'Doogie' the redpill
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His name is Doug, but everyone calls him Doogie because he looks like that child actor.
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Meta jokes FTW
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 15.5.2021. 23:49
I sense great disturbance in the force.
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Agent Howzer
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Nah, Agent Simmons
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or a random actor in a commercial on one of the many random billboards
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double random
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OH, he was a used car salesman in The Matrix, and the only thing Zion remembers him are those cheesy TV ads
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Honestly I'm going off the assumption that Neil Patrick Harris is going to be the comic relief.
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Hopefully not as bad as Link. "He's doing his Supa man thang."
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Hopefully there is no comic relief in Teh Matrix4
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You and I know there's going to be one. It's how out of touch movie executive think.
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This movie isn't being made in the situation the sequels were, with studio execs breathing down their necks, big money assholes making sure it's a big money movie
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This movie isn't being made in the situation the sequels were, with studio execs breathing down their necks, big money assholes making sure it's a big money movie
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 15.5.2021. 23:58
Does that mean that SJW quota will or will not be fulfilled 110%?
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Hopefully it'll lack the stupid action movie tropes the sequels were full of
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Oh the SJW thing is whole separate question, who knows
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You saw Sense8
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I think y'all are overplaying the SJW angle.
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Who's all
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I don't think it'll be that way
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Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite flicks, gave me hope that the W's can still make good movies
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.5.2021. 0:00
It was decent, true that
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Metalogic 16.5.2021. 0:01
Every good movie has that one person (or group of people) who's not afraid to tell the creator that an idea sucks. George Lucas had it with the Original Star Wars Trilogy and I think the Waschowski sisters had it with the first Matrix movie.
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Haven't really been a fan of much else they've done after The Matrix tho, really didn't care for Speed Racer
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Metalogic 16.5.2021. 0:01
As long as someone on the set of Matrix 4 had the balls to tell Lana that her terrible ideas are terrible, then the movie should at least be decent.
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Speed racer was worth a watch. It’s a live action cartoon.
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Like being inside a Sonic Spinball course
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It looked neat
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Metalogic 16.5.2021. 0:41
Eh, the trailer made it look like the cut from one scene to another was too quick.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.5.2021. 1:35
There's one particular moment in Reloaded which I find interesting. The moment Agent tears off the roof of the car, the Twin seems to be helping guide Morpheus's hand to shoot the Agent, so they can continue down their business. Interesting unspoken rules of engagement - get rid of the immediate threat to both parties and continue the fight.
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Just read the letter from the Wachowskis on the Blue Ray I think it was as they both still signed it "Brothers". Does anyone else find the two to be pretentious as fuck? (edited)
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Eh, they're artists. Most big name artists are pretentious as fuck.
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Like Warner asked them to do an audio track and they talk about how many fans like listening to reminiscence and how they don't, and that they wont discuss the films in public in the event that people start listening them and follow their views instead of coming up with their own interpretation.
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Tbh I'd like to see any artist not be pretentious after their first project becomes a cultural phenomenon and gets immediately greenlit for two sequels, a video game (enter the matrix was good, fuck you), an MMO, and a series of animated shorts
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Like dont get me wrong, these folks crated 3 of my most favourite movies, but it seems when asked to do something simple they need to come out with this spiel that ensures everyone knows they are real smart and that there needs to be some deep thought process behind even the most simple of things.
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Im with both of you
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I mean, I get not wanting to talk about how people should interpret your movie and I refuse to begrudge them that.
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Tbh I'd like to see any artist not be pretentious after their first project becomes a cultural phenomenon and gets immediately greenlit for two sequels, a video game (enter the matrix was good, fuck you), an MMO, and a series of animated shorts
Hey, there was also The Path of Neo. 😛
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Hey, there was also The Path of Neo. 😛
Never played it, sorry
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But I did play Enter the Matrix something like three times
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Enter The Matrix, Path of Neo and MxO where all fucking great. The movies I love with all my heart.
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Have you guys read the "Letter from the Wachowskis" on the blue-ray/ 4K?
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I don't think so, I've just got them in a 4-pack DVD
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I have not, I never brought into Blu-Ray
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And I think i lost my soundtrack, the whole reason I got into the films
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If you guys get a chance, check it out
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I can see where they are coming from on some aspects, but their word usage, sentence structure and overall point is just spewing with over complicated unnecessary nonsense.
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For example they talk about not wanting to record a commentary
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Of the cast, crew or themselves
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Instead they recorded philosophers talking about the strengths of the movie
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And critics putting the movie down.
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Oof
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So that you can "make up your own damn mind"
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See, this is why I never turn on the commentary track. I don't know these people. While I'm thankful they gave me this franchise, I'm just not interested in hearing their thoughts on their own project.
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And this hits a point for me personally, over the last couple of years I have absolutely not given a fuck about what a critic says. Why? Because who the fuck are they to tell you how to feel. What they like isnt necessarily what I like and vice versa and that I should WATCH THE MOVIE to make up my own mind.
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It gotta be the auditory equivalence to listening to someone jacking off.
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Meta, I like that point, I do. To add to it though, I like to hear commentary, SOMETIMES. I wanna hear Keanu talk about how he almost ripped his groin in half getting his leg that high, or how Hugo Weaving had that body protection on under his suit to protect against kicks etc but not this whole, other shit. ya know?
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LMAO
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Yeah I can agree with that actually lol (edited)
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See, there's good ways to send that same message
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I can't imagine how bruised the actor got after filming a fight scene.
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As an example, Jonathan Simms (the writer behind the Magnus Archives), specifically refuses to answer certain questions about the show because he doesn't want to be an authoritative voice on how people interpret the work
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See thats pretentious as fuck
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Thats the Christopher Nolan effect
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Christopher, was the end if Inception a dream?
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I leave that up to you to decide.
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ITS YOUR FUCKING MOVIE ASSHOLE
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most of them do that ? way before nolan too
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Should also say I love and adore both Inception and The Prestige
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prestige is underrated
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Now I want to hear the commentary track on the last episode of The Soprano, esp. that cut to black ending.
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I get that Raj, but like fuck me, if we ask you a question, its because we want, YOUR ANSWER. Dont cop out and say, nah that would lead you to think something. YEah I know, thats why I asked you nit wit.
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AMEN TO THAT. Prestige is one of the best movies ever made. Jackman and Bale are at their peak.
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How can he not know!?
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Was there not one?
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tbf, Bound was their first project
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But that was after The Matrix was already in the works
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First-project-sucess-itis tho, wasn't The Usual Suspects Brian Singer's directorial debut?
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That movie is phenomenal
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That's the only great thing he did
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Anybody could have directed X-Men
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i still neewd to actually watch the first 3 x men movies
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See thats pretentious as fuck
It's not though? It's a response to fan culture. The way he explained it, his part of the podcast is done now. Anything after that, especially since it's released under Creative Commons, is up to the fans.
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I saw the first one in theaters, it's OK
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Xmen movies are OK for me....tbh I like Deadpool better than all of them
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Saw the first Deadpool, it's decent
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Going up to people and saying "no, your headcanon is wrong, I said so in a Q&A outside of the podcast itself" is more pretentious than "just do whatever, I made this and I'm done with it"
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superhero, with snark and quips!
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spoderman
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he so crazy
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I like the second one better. And yeah, Deadpool is more a send-up of superhero movies
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ANT MAN
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MYSTERY MEN
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I hated that movie lol
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I liked ANT MAN, Michael Pena's character is hilarious
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Hey, I love the Deadpool movies.
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Ant Man and the Wasp, not so much...was OK
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Ryan Reynolds was made for Deadpool.
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yeah but that cliffhanger
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when will it be resolved
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Never
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February 17, 2023 (United States)
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or, the next movie
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long way to go
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The Matrix 4 is releasing on May 21, 2021, the same day as John Wick: Chapter 4 https://t.co/z8jos8xCat Akira was originally going to release on this date too but is now taken by Matrix 4
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EsotericMrE 6.6.2021. 19:59
Hey Folks --- So another group I'm in has been using a web-app called Kosmi.io to host watch parties during the pandemic. I just uploaded The Matrix into a room to test it out but, maybe we can have another event for a watch party: https://app.kosmi.io/room/y9x7zv
Watch videos together, play games, or simply chat with friends or strangers all from within your browser!
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Hey Folks --- So another group I'm in has been using a web-app called Kosmi.io to host watch parties during the pandemic. I just uploaded The Matrix into a room to test it out but, maybe we can have another event for a watch party: https://app.kosmi.io/room/y9x7zv
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.6.2021. 0:00
Never done anything like it, but sounds fun 🙂
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Elijah, let’s aim for a night this week man.
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A script from 2002
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Or 2000
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Looks like that's the same revision I have, only in hard copy. I've been meaning to transcribe it and get it posted on my site for years
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Deleted User 13.6.2021. 0:26
I just realized that when neo first meets Seraph, the market Neo walks through has paintings of saviors from various religions.
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Metalogic 13.6.2021. 1:30
Yea, The Wachowskis went pretty heavy on the savior imagery in all three films.
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So I'm going to say something controversial and honestly I'm speaking as my own person, not as my MxO character, Metalogic. But I honestly get where Cypher was coming from in the first movie.
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I mean we've seen Morpheus' sales pitch in the first movie with Neo, and when he first meets Neo in that abandoned hotel Morpheus kind of leaves out some small details about "The Real World."
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Details that some would argue would be important to a person who's about to make a choice that's going to altar their entire reality
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Manic Velocity 16.6.2021. 17:01
That's a very valid point. Cypher could be seen as a sympathetic character, when you consider everything.
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Now forget MxO, and forget the comics, as far as Cypher and Neo knows, once you take the red pill, that's it. You're stuck in the desert of the real.
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Manic Velocity 16.6.2021. 17:01
You might not agree with what he did, but you can at least empathize with why he did it.
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I get it - and especially that sense of desperation- however... if one makes that choice, the decision has been made.
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There is no reinsertion, there is no going back. So once you're out, you're out.
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Even if reinsertion is possible. (edited)
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So one could argue that Morpheus could have been a bit more...forthcoming with what taking the red pill entail. "Oh by the way, it's cold, we're wearing thin hemp clothing, and you're stalked by an robot army at every point outside of Zion."
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"And even inside of Zion, you're not safe."
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Manic Velocity 16.6.2021. 17:03
Morpheus' phrasing was textbook manipulation.
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Me: "In that case, I'd rather stay asleep." takes the blue pill. Enjoy your dystopian nightmare!
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Yea, so while Cypher didn't have to kill Switch and the others, I can kind of see his POV.
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Morpheus def. bred his own enemy within his hovercraft
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Absolutely, I see his perspective- however I also find loyalty to a cause maximally important. It's still a choice to honor those loyalties.
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@metalogic he also left out the fact that if he took the red pill he could jugg back in, knowing the truth, AND he might become what is essentially superman 🙂
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Nah, he wanted to become a famous actor.
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I was talking about Neo
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Oh, xD
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having said that
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If a redpill goes back in the Matrix and eats that juicy steak, is it still awesome? (edited)
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What's hilarious, though, is if Cypher were offered the Red Pill after being plugged back in... He'd probably take it again & learn about the traitor Cypher and revile him.
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If a redpill goes back in the Matrix and eats that juicy steak, is it still awesome? (edited)
"I know Kung Fu."
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ah, but eating has a physical result - you get full
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Honestly, if I found myself having taken the Red Pill, I'd basically either be on Ops or training.
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ah, but eating has a physical result - you get full
Ah, but the Matrix tells your brain - which tells your body - that it's full. At least as long as you're in the simulation.
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I wonder
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Hopefully that mesmer wears off when you get out - otherwise you risk starving.
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@Metalogic one could argue that the details are unimportant
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Because it seems that the awakened are predisposed to be awakened
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Searching for Morpheus their entire lives etx
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like splinter in their minds (edited)
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Because it seems that the awakened are predisposed to be awakened
Yeah, like I was saying about Cypher- he would probably, in his "remembering nothing" period if he was reinserted end up waking up again.
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There's no probably. The Architect explains to Neo that's exactly what would happen. Cypher would have his mind wiped but because he's already predisposed to question reality and be detached from it and would now lack the pessimism toward "The Real" he'd revert to being unhappy in The Matrix. (edited)
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You might not agree with what he did, but you can at least empathize with why he did it.
Neomatrixology 16.6.2021. 21:21
The real world sucks. But there's no excuse for killing your friends. Yes, I just reworded what you said, but I think it's important to emphasize basic morality in the conversation. Life sucks it's called adulting. The Wachowskis admit they'd be blue pills IF given the choice, that's one thing. But Cypher was the victim sympathy I simply don't have. The problem is choice.
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Eh, I still feel like Morpheus intentionally left some very important details out during the pill conversation. Which is kind of a problem
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There's a fundamental moral there, too - be careful what you sign up for. Ask for the fine print.
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I would def. blue pill myself. "Oh, so the machines actually provide everything for us and the real world is a nightmare hellscape? Blue pill please."
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Eh, I still feel like Morpheus intentionally left some very important details out during the pill conversation. Which is kind of a problem
he had to in the movie, or it would give everything away to the viewers!
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Give me my honest hellscape over a comfortable lie. I may be quite a bit older than when I first encountered the concept, but that stance hasn't changed.
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OMG no way, Ill take the comfortable lie every time - I like steak
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its juicy, and delicious
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Yea, if this is The Matrix, and I'm already a cripple. I don't need to be a cripple in a hellscape too.
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plus, steak ummmmm
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and the clothes are WAY COOLER in the matrix
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no formal wear in the caves
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At least here I can score opioids, I doubt Zion has opioids.
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they have dirt
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At least here I can score opioids, I doubt Zion has opioids.
Deleted User 16.6.2021. 21:30
tramadol user, nice
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ive been there
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At least here I can score opioids, I doubt Zion has opioids.
You better believe they do.
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and the clothes are WAY COOLER in the matrix
Yeah, but without the dichotomy the value of such-and-such is lessened. Without pain, we do not fully understand what pleasure is. Without sorrow, we cannot comprehend - in its fullness - joy.
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who says theres no pain or sorrow in the matrix?
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people just living out thier lives
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who says theres no pain or sorrow in the matrix?
Deleted User 16.6.2021. 21:32
that was in the first version of the matrix (edited)
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didn't work
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dude, the matrix is normal life
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its not pain free
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Not saying the matrix is without these things.
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Neo was going to get fired for being late
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What I am saying is that there are levels to this. That the clothes are even cooler when you jack in, because you're aware of the Desert. (edited)
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dude, the matrix is normal life
Deleted User 16.6.2021. 21:34
the first version was an utopia, with no pain or sorrow, it was scraped because humans didn't accept it https://youtu.be/9Qs3GlNZMhY?t=22
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I mean even without the red pill you get to wear a suit, instead of a burlap bag in the real
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the first version was an utopia, with no pain or sorrow, it was scraped because humans didn't accept it https://youtu.be/9Qs3GlNZMhY?t=22
dude, not to be a jerk, but literally everyone in here knows the movies and lore
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Youd be surprised as the dumb shit some of yall say realted to lore
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Deleted User 16.6.2021. 21:36
matrix node chat has some dumb people too
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discord is just the tip of the iceberg
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hahahah because not everyone agrees doesnt mean anything
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Deleted User 16.6.2021. 21:36
since freenode went down there was a surge of people falling into the matrix node irc (edited)
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here too
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Yes, but now I know what that suit actually is. You can't miss what you never knew - and as the Bard said, it's better to have loved & lost than never to have loved at all. I'd rather have that awareness than be blind to it. Though, I do not blame one for the preference of staying blissfully ignorant of the world outside of the Cave - it ain't me.
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Yes, but now I know what that suit actually is. You can't miss what you never knew - and as the Bard said, it's better to have loved & lost than never to have loved at all. I'd rather have that awareness than be blind to it. Though, I do not blame one for the preference of staying blissfully ignorant of the world outside of the Cave - it ain't me.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.6.2021. 21:37
There's a world outside of the Cave? waaaaaaat!
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LOLFACEMATRIX
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everyone thinks theyd run into the burning building to save someone, until they have to run into a burning building
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
There's a world outside of the Cave? waaaaaaat!
It's bright, and scary at first... but when you adapt to it, folks are pretty friendly out there. And, get this, you can see the world in full detail.
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I'm still in awe of the fidelity.
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everyone thinks theyd run into the burning building to save someone, until they have to run into a burning building
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.6.2021. 21:38
Being a hero rarely gets you to enjoy gray hair and all that.
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everyone thinks theyd run into the burning building to save someone, until they have to run into a burning building
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Being a hero rarely gets you to enjoy gray hair and all that.
Gray hair is overrated.
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That allegory of the cave ends with the guy trying to explain what the shadows are and the prisoners calling him crazy.
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blue raspberry is the best candy
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cherry
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.6.2021. 21:45
matrixredpill
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That allegory of the cave ends with the guy trying to explain what the shadows are and the prisoners calling him crazy.
Yes, yes it does. One gets used to it, though.
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has "wolf at moon" vibes
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Neomatrixology 17.6.2021. 5:12
Why he looks like Bruce Leroy tho?
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Too bad about him/Tank. I liked that character. I still like Link, but deep down prefer Tank
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.6.2021. 17:59
Tank was awesome, yea
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Tank was the OG
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.6.2021. 18:33
breathtaking
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And I'm here refusing to stop being mad that Switch got murdered.
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Fair enough.
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And I'm here refusing to stop being mad that Switch got murdered.
Metalogic 18.6.2021. 3:38
I'm mad about that too.
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She had like 4 lines in the whole movie, and always seemed crabby. I never felt invested in her and Apoc
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they should have put them in Red shirts 😄
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.6.2021. 17:51
They didnt get much of character development, unfortunately.
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of the crew that got killed, I cared about Tank and Mouse
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I just like the tough girl attitude of Switch
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I just like the tough girl attitude of Switch
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.6.2021. 17:56
I liked that tbh. She could have had interesting story had she not been whacked by the C guy 😛
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I liked that they didn't have to spell Switch's backstory out for me to get a sense of one
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She seemed like a rich character, even though she didn't have very many lines in the film
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Apoc on the other hand I didn't get that from at all
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He seemed pretty one dimensional. But I am glad they didn't waste time telling us everyone's backstory
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I didn't dislike Apoc, not in the least, there just wasn't much depth to his character in my view
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Maybe it simply comes down to how dynamic and nuanced his demeanor is throughout the film? He's fairly flatline. Switch however has a wider, more nuanced expression, verbal and nonverbal
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And yeah, too bad Joey Pants whacked her. I'd love to see more Switch
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That Frank Cifaretto. That Caesar.... Did Caesar even have a last name in Bound (1996)? (edited)
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Neomatrixology 18.6.2021. 18:41
Yah Belinda McCordy just a better actor than Apoc is all...
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I guess that's really all it comes down to. She's saying SO much more than is on the page
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Holmes that plays Apoc is reading the lines and performing the stage directions
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Good point
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I'd never heard of Belinda McClory until The Matrix
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And she looks NOTHING like her character Switch
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And she looks NOTHING like her character Switch
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.6.2021. 18:46
Just googled her and damn you're right
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haha
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it's weird
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Switch is kinda like Boba Fett in that sense - she doesn't need much extrapolation to get a sense of her. When she says (and how she says it), "Not like this, not like this..." - that implies she's been around and had some amazing stories.
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or she doesnt want to die by getting her jack pulled out?
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🙂
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That's true, too, of course.
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Neomatrixology 18.6.2021. 19:04
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But that look, and the intonation tells a world beyond it.
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Yes. 'Not like this' doesn't mean 'don't kill me.' It speaks volumes about how this has been spoken about among redpills as a way to die without dignity, without honor, and deprived of any proper burial, that scene hit hard (edited)
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He didn't die in battle. Some turncoat coward pulled his plug
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The way Belinda delivers the line speaks volumes
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Yup.
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And she also conveys how much she deeply respects Apoc
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Hard scene man
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That it is, and - honestly, in my opinion- one of the best scenes because of that.
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Dialogue consists only of 3 words, repeated twice.
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And considering what we've been through with the crew up to this point, all the more.
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Speaking of which apparently Delta still has the first movie on its in flight entertainment... Time to watch it again. Also, another amazing short scene for me is the opening where Trinity says to herself, "Get up, Trinity, get up." Which is probably part of the echo from Switch in the earlier discussed scene.
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the original trans role for switch gives her performance some extra nuance and things to consider- you have to imagine the wachowskis giving notes to belinda that reflected the original intent behind the character
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In this context, not really TBQH - the nature of that moment doesn't really depend on anything other than the delivery.
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That in mind, there's no reason - even at that time - where they couldn't have actually pulled it off. That was a missed opportunity that the studio wasted.
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My reasoning being that it emphasizes the nature of RSI.
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Yeah that was a gigantic missed opportunity. But studio execs are squeamish because most paying moviegoers are squeamish. Not about killing tons of people, just killing a dog.
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Demeaning minorities? Ha ha ha ha! Transgender? This must be stopped immediately!!!!!
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Again, I say, there's no reason at the time for them to not - the Matrix, itself, was already abject risk.
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Anyway... Smith surely loves his headbutts.
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I mean, there were other sci-fi works around the time that tried to use science fiction elements to explore the concept with less risk, but it still tended to cause controversy. Jadzia Dax is a great example where she was good trans representation without actually being trans, but people still lost their shit when they had Dax make out with a former spouse who was also in a female host, resulting in something that had the appearance of a lesbian kiss on broadcast television in the 90s. Homophobes didn't care that the symbionts had been in a hetero marriage in a past life. God, my mom even got offended by the imagery in the Hel Club scene in Revolutions. I still remember watching it with her when that shot first comes up and there's one woman giving another topless woman a titty twister in the middle of the crowd, and my mom just rolled her eyes and went "UGH, here's the LeSbiAn PaRt!"
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@Stack oh she would have loved 'Bound'
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Man I gotta rewatch that one, seen it a dozen times but it's been like 2 years
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Neomatrixology 19.6.2021. 20:21
I love the interview where the Wachowskis talk about pitching Bound to the old pervy executive... 'you want to make a movie about...lesbians???'
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God, Bound is incredible. And if you really want the full experience, watch it with a bunch of reluctant lesbians who have never seen it before and wait for them to lose their shit
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God, Bound is incredible. And if you really want the full experience, watch it with a bunch of reluctant lesbians who have never seen it before and wait for them to lose their shit
Captain America just added that to his notepad
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Is that a list of his favourite new-world things or a list of things he's heard about that he wants to look up in the library when the world stops being threatened?
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its the to-do list of things to watch
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Deleted User 20.6.2021. 5:02
I have a question: At the end of Revolutions how does The Kid and the people of Zion know the machines leaving at that particular time signify the end of the war. For all they know the machines could just be regrouping or malfunctioning.
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Neomatrixology 20.6.2021. 8:21
The one was prophesied to end the war
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Deleted User 20.6.2021. 8:31
Does anyone know any good Matrix fan films?
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definitely not Ratrix and Kaydara
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absolutely not
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Computer Boy?
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Wtf was that called?
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It was shot in Australia, lots of locations from the original film
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Manic Velocity 20.6.2021. 17:37
It was Computer Boy
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The Office.
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The low budget Matrix trailer is entertaining
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Deleted User 21.6.2021. 6:01
What’s your favourite Animatrix episode?
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Neomatrixology 21.6.2021. 6:08
Matriculated (edited)
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Kid’s Story
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Deleted User 21.6.2021. 6:23
I like that Matriculated showed there are humans living outside of Zion in the real world.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 21.6.2021. 13:28
A thing that I love is like how this discord server is essentially exactly what I'd expect the Matrix fanbase to be like
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Nerdy as hell and vaguely angry at society?
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Nerdy as hell and vaguely angry at society?
Don't forget the exhaustion of everyday life.
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Matriculated, Beyond, and Detective Story
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Tied for first place for me
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Either The Second Renaissance or Final Flight of The Osiris
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I loved Second Renaissance 1 & 2 as a cool backstory database. Last flight was def one of my least favorite.
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Man I wish we got more volumes of Animatrix, there could have been so many
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There are zillions of stories to tell
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I also like the one with the glitch in the old haunted house. I forgot which one that was
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Beyond
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That's my #1, that one moved me
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That moment where she falls/floats down and 'becomes lucid,' extremely lucid dream like
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struck a chord
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I dunno why The Machines had to make a big show of fixing it. Just patch it in real time and let the story of the haunted house go into local legends.
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NOTHING TO SEE HERE, JUST ENORMOUS TRUCKS AND MEN IN BLACK
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WATCH OUT FOR THE GIANT GOOP HOSES
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AND WE BLOCKED OFF THE ENTIRE CITY BLOCK
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Aw man, fucking spooky ruined building was fantastic
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I do have the runner one burned into my goddamn brain, tho
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World Record?
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I love their rendition of the agents in that one
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"Stay down."
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Honestly I think he was just trying to get away from the nurse talking about pies.
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the nonstop, incessant talking
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"..fffreeeee..... from your constant yammering...."
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I am not looking forward to being old and being put into a home.
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I like that Matriculated showed there are humans living outside of Zion in the real world.
starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:05
Does it? So much about Matriculated's aesthetic - especially the technology and that ape-thing - makes me think it's set during an earlier cycle. One where Zion was big into genetic engineering. That, or the entire crew is on team Danielle Wright. That whole experiment has her fingerprints all over it. (edited)
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If I’m not mistaken Matriculated is confirmed not canon. The Wachowskis singled it out for exclusion when working on Path of Neo or something. Could 100% be spreading BS though
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Well that's kind of a dick move on their part
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Matriculated was trippy, but it wasn't bad.
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If I’m not mistaken Matriculated is confirmed not canon. The Wachowskis singled it out for exclusion when working on Path of Neo or something. Could 100% be spreading BS though
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:23
I wouldn't connect anything associated with Path of Neo to represent canon. There were a few bits that did not contradict the movies that were okay, but that whole endeavor was just an exercise in Grade-A trolling from the Wachowskis. I'll remind you that the "new ending" was a selling point. Wouldn't it be nuts if Path of Neo was the only thing considered canon for the new movie?
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I wouldn't connect anything associated with Path of Neo to represent canon. There were a few bits that did not contradict the movies that were okay, but that whole endeavor was just an exercise in Grade-A trolling from the Wachowskis. I'll remind you that the "new ending" was a selling point. Wouldn't it be nuts if Path of Neo was the only thing considered canon for the new movie?
Neomatrixology 21.6.2021. 22:25
People size ants in M4
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Yeah like I said this is all hearsay and I’ve got no memory of the “evidence” used as support. Would be weird for the Wachowskis to work on a project and later just say straight out “nope”.
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:26
@Neomatrixology While I'm every bit in the same boat as everyone who felt the huge disconnect when they got to the ants... how hype would it have been for them to instead have been clouds of flies? Every bit as ridiculous, yet, so much more meaningful...
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I wouldn't connect anything associated with Path of Neo to represent canon. There were a few bits that did not contradict the movies that were okay, but that whole endeavor was just an exercise in Grade-A trolling from the Wachowskis. I'll remind you that the "new ending" was a selling point. Wouldn't it be nuts if Path of Neo was the only thing considered canon for the new movie?
Have you listened to any supposed leaked audition tapes? Lol.
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:27
Nope. I'm not consuming any leaked materials. No spoilers. Trailers and officially sanctioned interviews only.
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I want to go in, if not blind, mostly-blind.
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Neomatrixology 21.6.2021. 22:27
I can get behind the flies tho
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:28
Anyhow, back to the point I was making. I think any discrepancies in continuity in any Animatrix story that isn't Kid's Story, Detective Story, or Final Flight can easily be explained away as having taken place in earlier cycles.
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@Neomatrixology While I'm every bit in the same boat as everyone who felt the huge disconnect when they got to the ants... how hype would it have been for them to instead have been clouds of flies? Every bit as ridiculous, yet, so much more meaningful...
To be fair though, at least the swarm of flies were covered up by the mask, gloves, coat, etc. So it at least looked like a human.
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The Assassin was just trying to sneak into movie theater.
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:30
Meta, my point is - giant bugs are bog-standard video game enemies. Big ants meant nothing. A tie-in to the Assassin would have filled the same role, but actually meant something. But again, it's Path of Neo.
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I'll stand up for MXO for the rest of my days. Path of Neo is not a hill worth fighting on.
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Ok, but this time you can see how the movies would have played out if Neo didn’t turn himself over to the Agents.
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Well he turned himself over to Smith
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:32
Parts like that had merit. Freeing minds in the missing six months. The numerous Asian film homages. And helping the hovercraft crews to their exits after the upgraded Agent fight was a legit improvement over Neo's behavior in Reloaded proper. But in the end - it's still Path of Neo.
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It’s problem is that the films don’t leave a lot of room for Neo to be doing things that we didn’t see him do. That six month gap is really the only time they can put in that stuff which is why it works. But I feel like I’m preaching to the choir
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I do wonder how Neo being "The One" sped up their awakening campaign.
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Anyhow, back to the point I was making. I think any discrepancies in continuity in any Animatrix story that isn't Kid's Story, Detective Story, or Final Flight can easily be explained away as having taken place in earlier cycles.
Neomatrixology 21.6.2021. 22:44
I'd say the old cars seen in Detective story is the most inconsistent thing out of all the Animatrix episodes. Otherwise no real contradictions or continuity issues
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:46
There's still plenty of classic cars on the road in the 2020s. The 200X models in Reloaded clash more with the "always 1999" setting. But of course, MXO covered for all of that with the way Meson rifles worked. You could take them into the city, but they would degrade rapidly. The Matrix auto-corrects anachronisms.
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To be fair, the "always 1999" thing is strictly a MxO invention.
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The films put The Matrix in late 20th, early 21st century. At the height of the human civilization.
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I really wish they'd kept the year kind of vague, the only thing it's given us is memes.
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Well, only one meme that I repost every New Year, Happy 1999.
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I would def. retcon the 1999 nonsense.
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I would also retcon the "There is no such procedure" since c'mon, how are you going to kick the CYPH when they're down from Cryptos being exposed as a machine puppet?
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Hard disagree on “no such procedure”. At its best it makes Cypher not a sucker. At its worse it invalidates the whole story.
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How does it not make him a sucker?
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starschwar 21.6.2021. 22:54
It's been a ton of fun chatting with you all - I miss these conversations. But my brain is throwing up the white flag. I've still got a lot of recovery ahead of me, and right now I'm back to zombie mode. Have fun, friends. I'll pop in next time I'm semi-lucid.
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How does it not make him a sucker?
No no. He’s not a sucker if you can wipe memories. Means the machines could have given Cypher what he wanted. But without it means Smith was just taking him for a ride.
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Okay, but Gray was telling Cryptos that they don't do reinsertion. That's the whole point of "There is no such procedure."
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Right. So Cypher was a sucker.
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And it also contradicts one of the comics where they did reinsert a redpill
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Right but that’s fine when it keeps the movies from breaking a part. The comics are creator inspirations from the movies. Some of the writers hadn’t even seen the movies when writing them. Neil Gaiman for example was sent a check and a shooting script and that’s it.
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Because reinsertion makes this whole problem of freed minds mute. Just wipe their memories and send them back in. You don’t need them to have a choice. Hell choice doesn’t matter if you can just reset the mind and roll again
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But as we've seen from Morpheus, it's not a fully informed choice.
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Morpheus doesn't tell them that Hey, you'll be a solider in a never-ending war, you'll be away from Zion for months on end, it's cold, and the only thing you have to eat is goop
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And the hemp clothings are kind of shitty
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OH, and you'll be hunted by machines at every turn who'll tear into you like you have a creamy gooey center.
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I get that. But that part doesn’t really matter. The whole of Zion exist because they need people who reject the Matrix out of it. And that rejection is the crux of the problem.
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Reinsertion would avoid that entirely. You could just reset the minds of Morpheus, Trinity etc and they’re not a problem anymore. No need for Zion because the people you need out can just have their minds reformed
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See, there's arguably one major problem with the whole thing anyways
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You know how all these people have cybernetics embedded in literally their whole brain?
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Why not murder them during the ejection process?
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If someone rejects the Matrix, fry their brain meat and toss them off a cliff
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Or just, like, give them a blood clot
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 2:20
I'm pretty sure the reason they don't do that is because the machines don't know which one will reject The Matrix. That's why they allow Zion to exist and why they allow Zion operatives to offer them a choice between red and blue.
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What's stopping them from just disconnecting and disposing of people when they start malfunctioning?
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 2:24
malfunction, how?
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Well, if we completely remove Zion operatives from the formula, that leaves us with people who actively become aware of the Matrix. Aka, the actual threat to the Matrix's continued functioning.
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The machines can almost certainly tell when someone is self-ejecting, so it would make significantly more sense to use a failsafe "squish this pod" than to let a bunch of people who have either self-ejected or ejected with help run around what's supposed to be a secure system doing whatever they want
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If there hadn't been active Zion operatives working outside the Matrix, for example, Neo's only way out would have been by what should be an incredibly noisy self-ejection process and it would have saved them a whole bunch of time.
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Basically, the machines need better network monitoring
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 2:31
Because the prime program (The One) still needs to be reinserted. As we found out in Reloaded the problem is Choice, and giving the bluepills the option to choose to accept the program or reject it even if they make that choice on a near-unconscious level. While this worked, it was flawed and created problems for even the most basic equation of The Matrix. Thus at some point, The Matrix needs to be reloaded.
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Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix.
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At some point, the unbalanced equation produces a sum that requires a reboot, thus requires The One.
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Tbh, seems like there would be easier ways to reboot the world than letting some random meatbag fuck around
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 2:36
Zion is another measure of control, which is why they've become quite efficient at destroying it and killing every inhabitant of the last human city.
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The thing is, Zion is fundamentally both inefficient and just terrible security-wise
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Especially after several generations, you'd think they would have a pretty good model of what patterns are most likely to emerge as defective
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 2:38
Also, self-ejecting seem to be almost impossible. As far as we can tell, The Kid was the only one who've successfully done it. I think other people are just diagnosed with schizophrenia like Anome's mom.
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Tbh, you try not sounding crazy when you find out the world is run by a bunch of magic lightning rocks using your brain as a processor
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 2:40
lol
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Why not murder them during the ejection process?
I absolutely read that 'during the ejaculation process.' Very 'Basic Instinct.'
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Hey, does anyone remember of Neo had a catheter?
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 3:19
Wat?
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Thanks to bitbomb, I can't stop wondering how much of that pod slime was cum
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haha
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 3:35
I'm sure the machines kept it nice and clean
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Didn't they call those 'Spiffys' in porn theaters?
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The jizz moppers?
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Metalogic 22.6.2021. 3:43
I dunno, I never worked in a porn theaters.
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Also I'd imagine the machines had like a diaper apparatus on the pod people to collect both urine and feces.
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Honestly, I assumed it most functioned via external dialysis
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There's no reason to use the digestive system, after all.
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While this is the most likely explanation, it doesn't exclude the possibility of..... nocturnal emissions in the pod fluid
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These are the important details of the Matrix universe lol
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Thus the question about a catheter
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They'd go straight to the vas deferens imo
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I mean, if they were planning on keeping jizz out of the goo
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My urethra hurts just thinking about a catheter
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Alternatively, jizz might be an important part of the goo
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I've heard it's good for your skin
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oh man that's a classic
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high school douche 'srsly baby, jizz is good for your skin!'
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Read that in Dr. Nick's voice for some reason lol
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'Seriously, baby, I can prescribe anything I want!'
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I'm just saying, have we considered that wet dreams are directly caused by the machines replenishing their goo reserves?
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Could be, could be that Mouse didn't actually even really design The Woman in Red,
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We need an out of context channel
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maybe he just found her, and used her for his own purposes
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Oh this is some canon shit right here
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Under the hood
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The Woman in Red is really a jizz/goo ratio regulation program!
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I mean, why put in all the work of designing a woman when you can just kitbash one together a la Frankenhooker?
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We've got it!
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Also that. That's fantastic.
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Purpose.
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WiR: what is my purpose? Architect: you go into people's dreams to make them horny and fill the goo bottles WiR: oh my God
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Origin story for why she doesn't talk much
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WiR: :|
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Alternatively, she is kitbashed together but since the Matrix is horribly hacked together every time she speaks it's a chorus of several long-dead women's voices screaming in agony so they turned off her voice
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Maybe some nights at Club Hel she lets loose, 'Oh I'm sure you love your purpose, fuckin traffic lights, what a respectable thrill that must be, The Architect musta loved you,'knocks back another shot
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I love the idea of this perpetually angry tool of the machine yelling at a hotdog salesman about his various kinks
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Walking down the street blackout drunk before locking onto some poor dude for a half-remembered dream
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Maybe, maybe, the WiR is the reason why people started finding out and rejecting the Matrix, and the machines just can't figure out why. So they reboot it every once in a while to fix the problem, which subsequently reboots and temporarily fixes be problems the WiR causes
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♣♥♠♦ 24.6.2021. 15:14
i have a friend who did 3d modeling work for the new matrix film
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he worked on cast members props and objects
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they did scans of keanu with long hair and shaved head
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if u want me to ask any questions lmk
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does your uncle work at nintendo ? (edited)
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No, that's his dad.
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astro_icecream🍦 24.6.2021. 18:13
That's you? So cool! Was this at the prop/costume exhibition they had?
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Not me, the Reddit guy
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Not me, the Reddit guy
astro_icecream🍦 24.6.2021. 18:14
Oh, I get you. Still a cool pic, tho.
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if u want me to ask any questions lmk
astro_icecream🍦 24.6.2021. 18:17
Could you answer over on the thread here for m4-spoilers...did they do scans of Carrie Anne with a shaved head. Looks like her hair is quite a bit shorter than previously In those Berlin cgi pics. Could just be the way she wears her hair, tho.
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Wtb a sentinel tho
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Manic Velocity 24.6.2021. 19:07
I have a tiny one sitting on my monitor
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So I talked to a friend of mine who studies bacteria and viruses. He's one of those people who work in a BSL lab. Replication is not a medical term. So I guess it has something to do with the red pill.
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and he is a doctor, maybe not an MD, but a doctor neverless
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DNA replication is a thing
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otherwise you would die
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
If that sitting ON your monitor, my brain is broken
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which it is
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lol
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The best I can summize the pill replicates the condition for a heart attack which disrupts the I/O carrier signals and allow them to pinpoint Neo's body in the pod farm.
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The Matrix returns to HBO Max on July, right?
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The Matrix returns to HBO Max on July, right?
astro_icecream🍦 24.6.2021. 21:22
All 3 are on Peacock right now if you need a fix
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Yep.
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OR the DVDs, Blue Ray, 4K Blu ray DVDs that most of us have any time you want 🙂
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yeah, what weirdo doesn't have them on a couple different formats?
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LASERDISC, BUDDY
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j/k but for real
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Plebs, I have all four on 8mm film!
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OR the DVDs, Blue Ray, 4K Blu ray DVDs that most of us have any time you want 🙂
astro_icecream🍦 25.6.2021. 5:05
I've gotten soooo lazy about even bothering with my DVD/Blu ray player in recent years. I've repurchased some films, including Matrix Trilogy, from streaming services just for the convenience. Is that unusual? Not sure. But I think some young people these days don't even remember using dvds. I remember Betamax (and yes, I recall seeing those huge laser discs, too!), so hearing about kids who have only ever just streamed (or that's all they recall) makes me feel very old... I miss having bonus features on the streaming versions, but I've got a few newer films from Vudu that allow you to watch "extras" and commentary versions in addition to the regular film. Im not super picky about film resolution as long as you can still see everything OK and it looks decent, so streaming quality works for me for right now.
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mouse even picks his, i always thought that was weird
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Metalogic 1.7.2021. 16:09
Huh
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Ear infection?
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I doubt the standard of medical care is on par with what we have now in The Desert of The Real
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Someone mentioned that it might be from being plugged in
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I can't imagine constantly using a plug that's designed for maybe a dozen cycles is not a good idea
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Also the side effect of being constantly connected/disconnected from a computer system in gneeral
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Metalogic 1.7.2021. 16:12
That's a good theory
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 1.7.2021. 16:13
Operators have it rough.
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Staring into the computer screen for extensive amount of time can scramble your head too. Look at what happened to Cypher. LOLFACEMATRIX
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Another person pointed out it could be like the tops from Inception
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Since the dmaage doesn't transfer over to the Matrix, and it's such a specific detail that the machines wouldn't know to recreate it without mind-fucking them about their IRL appearance, it functions as an indicator to see if they're actually in the real world
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Which has some horrifying implications in terms of what they've been through
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Another option is damage caused from constant pressure changes
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they probably just have that ear skin disease from sleeping in crappy beds
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And a lot think it's the headsets
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scurvy, obviously
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Zippy the Squirrel 1.7.2021. 22:10
Those headsets are definitely not made for comfort
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scurvy, obviously
astro_icecream🍦 2.7.2021. 15:58
Hahaha yes.
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astro_icecream🍦 2.7.2021. 16:11
@Dragonn pressure change issues are legit! I had an ear drum burst on a plane flight once because I had a sinus infection. It was horrible! One of the most painful things in my life. They must be sorta sick all the time from the cold and gross food, no light, etc. Unless those vitamins in the food are borderline magical. So, something like decompression sickness in scuba divers makes sense. I wonder how much damage their brains are taking from the constant jacking in and out. That must fry them a bit. The medic in Reloaded mentions an acronym for an illness in relation to Bane's weirdness. I think it may be elsewhere in lore, too. (edited)
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Deleted User 3.7.2021. 7:14
How do you permanently destroy an Agent in the movies?
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We never saw it done in the movies. In the games it can be done with a "kill code"
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Argument could be made that we see Neo do it.
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He destroys Smith and then Smith is supposed to return to the Source but doens't.
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Smith survives. But yeah, machine deletion.
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Metalogic 4.7.2021. 3:13
I wonder if every agent gets deleted if they fail at their task
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Agent Johnson failed to prevent Morpheus from escaping and failed at stopping Neo and he wasn’t deleted. He even ran away from Neo.
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David T. Gregory 4.7.2021. 5:05
when did he run away?
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When the two agents left after Neo destroyed the first Smith?
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Zippy the Squirrel 4.7.2021. 16:03
Jones and Brown. Johnson doesn’t show up til Reloaded
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Alongside Jackson and Thompson
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David T. Gregory 4.7.2021. 19:38
ah thats what you meant
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Zippy the Squirrel 10.7.2021. 17:28
Speaking of which I think I read that the guy that played one of the 2.0 Agents will be in 4
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I wanna say Johnson
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Anyway he was the random martial arts badass in that one episode of Barry
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Probably my favorite episode
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yeah he's besties with Keanu he was also in one of the John Wick movies
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and that episode of Barry was so good
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Daniel Bernhardt, he was also in Nobody (small part in the bus scene, but he was Bob Odenkirk's trainer apparently) and some other stuff, long time action guy (edited)
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Bloodsport 2
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Glad he's back in 4
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dagoncrowgg 13.7.2021. 8:57
I KNEW I RECOGNIZED HIM
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fucking
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bloodsport
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a special edition of the soundtrack by Don Davis on vinyls will be sold starting today for those interested https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/13632
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So is anyone going to talk about Space Jam 2 and how it put The Matrix on the street corner like a pimp?
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Marketing!
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Fucking gross is what it was
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Maybe it put Mx4 on the radar…
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If you haven't seen it, give it a watch, its an abomination of a film, and seeing cosplaying agents in the audience throughout the runtime was nauseating
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Watched it last night. Kids were shocked they they said “Matrix” more than twice
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Especially from someone other than me.
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@Traxada I don't plan on giving WB money for that abortion of a film.
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Me either.
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There's only one true Space Jam, and it's the one with Michael Jordan in it.
thistbh 2
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I never said pay for it....
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I was invited by Warner to see it but passed
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Neomatrixology 20.7.2021. 3:25
Where's the free.99?
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Metalogic
There's only one true Space Jam, and it's the one with Michael Jordan in it.
Effectively, Space Jam also hangs on the character of MJ. Which is beyond reproach, but still very approachable.
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Are you implying MJ portrayed himself differently in Gatorade* and McDonalds commercials than how he was in real life??!
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*Nike, coke, Hanes, rayovac batteries, etc
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irl he just likes to gamble at poker and play golf while making fun of everybody else
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He had an AMA superbike team, and was a motorcycle racing enthusiast as well. He was at one race I was at.
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I lived in Chicagoland at the time - so I encountered him a few times just doing normal things. XD
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:01
Some interesting sound effects choices in Matrix Reloaded. Many-Smiths vs Neo fighting scene (with obvious CGI) and they use sounds like dominoes falling and bowling pins falling when Neo is throwing one against many to knock them over.
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yes we all know this and hate this because it makes it seem like its a video game
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not just obvious cgi but obvious extras of varying height, race, shapes
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:02
Didn't notice the extas
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you should play path of neo where the burly brawl goes EXTRA STUPID
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:03
assumed they used a mix of CG and duplication techniques
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you should play path of neo where the burly brawl goes EXTRA STUPID
Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:03
Game?
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yes
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:04
When it's unlimited enemies against unstoppable force it all feels a bit pointless. Like, there's no impact of anything since Neo can counter all of them. No real stakes
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yes but they dont go to the moon
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no real steaks either
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missed steaks
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Original plan was to have Neo try to fly off and end up dragging a chain of Smiths through the sky crashing into a TV repair shop where Neo gets dog piled on. Smith gives his “it is inevitable” line and the TVs start turning into shots of Smith repeating it. Then Neo flees
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:09
Really?
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I just find this kind of scenario gets too silly to have any stakes.
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Really. Think they cut the scene back because of cost.
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:11
ah
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tbh probably for the best, it just felt a bit silly without any real sense of progressing somewhere
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Neo's playing the Matrix with cheat codes enabled and fighting unlimited enemies at once.
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which is why they had to add the contrived scenarios where he has to be in multiple places at once
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so the risk is the other people dying, not him
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:13
ah
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so Neo can't be perceived as the antagonist
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because it's a bit questionable if they're really the protagonists here.
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which is why they had to add the contrived scenarios where he has to be in multiple places at once
Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:16
Thinking it's like that duplication error that used to be common on Microsoft windows where the open dialogue would paste copies of itself in a trail. Can't find a pic.
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:24
That's the one, thanks. Couldn't find anything
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Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 0:44
Interesting how the sets are painted green in the Matrix films
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Reloaded: Heh, they put these little nuggets, hints of what Neo is going to learn, at earlier points in the film.
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huh?
Firekiller 🔥 22.7.2021. 16:38
Various characters refer to Neo as being "another one" etc. which makes sense when you reach the Architect scene.
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If you want a proper laugh, watch the burly brawl but ignore the center of the screen focus solely on the Smith extras, half of them have no head replacements, just some guy
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 1:56
haven't been able to un-see that ever since I first noticed it 😄
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:03
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some of their suits don't even fit properly
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:06
>not knowing how to C&P What is this, amateur hour?
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:07
i'm going frame-by-frame
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For most of the wide shots they didn't even bother. It's only in a couple closeups that they did the face replacement.
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:08
I was making a joke, but interesting
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:09
the guy in the top-left didn't get replaced
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guy in the top-left corner didn't get a replacement
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his mouth is different
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:09
Eh, minuscule difference.
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:09
yeah
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but even still, when they did do the head replacement it looks really good
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:10
These are things that you'll only notice if you go frame by frame like some shut in loser. 😛
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:10
in that last shot, I'm just assuming the real Hugo is in the center, but I honestly can't tell for sure
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I am a shut-in loser!
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Plot twist. Hugo wasn’t even on site for the scene. (edited)
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:11
god these CGI shots aged poorly
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I remember them looking kinda janky back then, but now it looks like it was rendered on a PS3
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It does. Wish the sequels hadn’t gone so heavy on the cgi. I get why but that definitely put a shelf life on the movies.
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:13
look at that bench!
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it looks like a stock Unreal asset
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Yo where’s you get that PoN still?
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:14
😄
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:14
They didn't even bother to correct the lighting on that bench
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Burley Braw was a test demo for the real project that was Path of Neo. The sequels were just a long form advertisement for that sweet sweet gamer money
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:16
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:17
Man, either Hugo Weaving was seriously balding or he has a larger forehead than I remember.
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:18
the most egregious thing about this sequence is the domino and bowling pins sound effects
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like it's a fucking roadrunner cartoon
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:19
I still don't understand the point of those wacky sound effect
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Manic Velocity 23.7.2021. 2:19
I will say this, I'm surprised that I haven't yet noticed any of the CGI Smith models clipping through each other
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maybe more difficult to spot because of the dark clothing
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but they behave like solid objects
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:20
Did they get some third rate CGI studio in Thailand to do this?
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They didn't get a chance to age poorly, they looked terrible in the theater. Looked like a videogame cutscene
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Only thing that made them worse was the cheeseball music
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:44
You know what's funny? If this was some homemade film, we'd be talking about how well they did with what they had. But because this is from a large film corporation, we're talking about how terrible it looks.
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I don't think that's why.
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 2:51
Just let me have my musings
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The burly brawl was a silly idea that looks like it was done rushed as hell. If you see the behind the scenes stuff with the FX guys on the sequels there are a ton of interns (though that's mostly on the seige)
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They did get more bollywood with Path of Neo tho
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Had to out-ridiculous Reloaded and Revolutions
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Not so much rushed, but WAY overshot what they were capable of
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Combined with really really silly shit, it just came out like over-the-top superhero stuff (edited)
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I would love to know the point of the wacky sound effects too.
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Metalogic 23.7.2021. 3:18
I mean, even regular action movies with those wacky side characters like Link doesn't have wacky sound effects during a fight scene.
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disappointed we didn't get any zip whistles (aka siren whistles) or slide whistles
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I still don't understand the point of those wacky sound effect
Honestly, for my two cents, I think it was just a reflection of how un-serious they were taking it at the time. But if I had to conjecture - perhaps it shows just how glitched the Matrix had become after Neo refused the workaround & the Smith virus.
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Unless I have my order of events wrong, of course.
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As I can't recall offhand which came first, the refusal or the Brawl (its been a long week). Even then the oddness could be connected to just how screwed up the Matrix has become because of Smith & how close the cycle was to its end for the reset.
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The brawl came first, and then The Architect scene came way after that, towards the end of the film.
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Yeah, my revision still stands, then.
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The refutation hasn't happened, but we are still near the end of the cycle.
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And Smith.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 23.7.2021. 17:17
I can't judge the bad CGI, tbh. I'm still not over the obvious city skyline backdrop in 1
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NGL, the Matrix is just above B level quality on a buncha stuffs... Which is why it also has acquired such a rabid fanbase.
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*part of why
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That first film still holds the fuck up
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Reloaded and Revolutions, as I've grown up, accepted them for what they are fun schlock
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The first movie is very well made
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but also they didn't have a crazy budget like the sequels did
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For such a low budget.
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That first film still holds the fuck up
Yeah, mind you - I'm saying that as part of that rabid fanbase.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 23.7.2021. 17:35
Ah the rabid fanbase, the key reason why a lot of folks I know can't stand the series
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Oi, it's not all that bad. XD
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I just love the presented universe... And probably reference it far too often. >.>
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We're in a new age of streaming now, think Matrix series could fit very well
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 23.7.2021. 17:36
See, you're one of the ones aware of the rabidness of the fanbase, and love the series enough to reference it a lot, which is cool. But then there's... those fans
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The Matrix being on Netflix is still funny to me
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See, you're one of the ones aware of the rabidness of the fanbase, and love the series enough to reference it a lot, which is cool. But then there's... those fans
Oh, you mean the ones we lock in the closet. XD
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 23.7.2021. 17:37
Exactomundo!
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The Matrix being on Netflix is still funny to me
Why's that? Is it because the Matrix has you?
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Look, I'm just sayin' that Agent Smith's monolog at Morpheus was absolutely correct about the height of human civilization & the '90s.
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Comparing us to virii was a bit harsh, but I can see where he might reach that conclusion.
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(Increasingly reaching "Smith did nothing wrong." levels.)
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 23.7.2021. 17:41
Looking at the world currently, the heatwave we're all going through alongside the rampant disease, well... #SmithDidNothingWrong
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Disease is no more or less rampant than it was - we're just more aware of it. >.>
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 23.7.2021. 17:43
Yet still, as a species, we have this godawful urge to not just sit tight and wait for it to pass <.<
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Can't stop the motor of the world...
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I'm obligated to ask - Who is John Galt?
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blinks Agent Smith is John Galt. Or, rather, a metaphorical equivalent.
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dagoncrowgg 24.7.2021. 4:44
Hey uhhhh
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the matrix films?
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really good tbh
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Eyup
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Keanu 'The One' Reeves 25.7.2021. 10:06
Please ask Lily on Twitter to tell Lana to put Morpheus in the movie somehow. A cameo at least
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No. You.
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#ReleaseTheMorpheusCut (edited)
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Watching Reloaded with Mara. She, like Neo, is my 6th One…
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Watching Reloaded with Mara. She, like Neo, is my 6th One…
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 26.7.2021. 1:48
Damn dude. You have a lot in you. I'm kinda envious. 😄 Imagine how many grand-grand-grandchildren you will have few generations from now.
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Metalogic 26.7.2021. 1:50
Damn dude, must got a good paying job to have six kids.
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Watching Reloaded with Mara. She, like Neo, is my 6th One…
Is her middle name Central? 🙂
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Is her middle name Central? 🙂
No. it’s South…
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Derminator 26.7.2021. 20:16
That's amazing
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 20:16
per discussion from #the-matrix-resurrections, Marcus Chong's (Tank) self-documentary is on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI07UxRbYsw
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lol MatrixGate
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Funny that we’re talking about him because I found that the other day https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2-water-pipe-autographed-by-marcus-chong-of-the
This is your chance at owning the most unique piece of glass you may ever have the chance to enjoy. Marcus Chong from The Matrix (Tank), The Crow: Wicked Game, and the son-of-the-legend Tommy Chong, a
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 20:30
seems like he was willing to work hard, but his ego got in the way
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he's not a bad actor
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What’s not said in the documentary (I think it’s been a while) is that he harassed the Ws and Keanu for months and that he came to set and broke stuff. Now he says that Keanu is a drug dealer or something. It’s not just ego at this point.
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But yeah it sucks because he was great in the first movie and Link was a poor replacement
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:49
Lots of child actors have a track record of going off the rails as entitled adults. His beef, if I read into his rant correctly, is that at some point there was a conversation about how much he would make for Reloaded, a hand shake deal at best. For all we know one of the Wachowskis said they'd pay him a million at a party while drunk & then forgot about it. Either way, he thought he should get more, so they wrote him out of the script. It seems to me there was fault on both sides, but Chong A: Went way too far B: Had no leverage and nothing in writing
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 20:53
yeah, there's a lot going on here
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Today I learned that he's Tommy Chong's adopted son
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:53
I did wonder if drugs or alcohol issues could be involved... but on the surface just appeared to be an overdose of ego. At the time his career was on the up tick & I've seen bigger heads throw tantrums but not get black balled.
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He seems a bit psychotic in that phone conversation
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saying WB sent assassins to kill him
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 20:54
makes me wonder if there's some mental health issues
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I had seen clips from his visit to the police station a couple years ago, but all this other stuff is new to me
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what a waste I wish he could have gotten help before it was too late
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a while ago I read a post by one of former girlfriends (with proof) and it wasn't good
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the things Matrix makes me read, sometimes haha (edited)
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:56
That's what I mean, I'm pretty sure the Wachowskis have sailor mouths and went ballistic but they were the writer/directors & had just made the studio hundreds of millions. They can get away with being over the top in a yelling match. Supporting cast members not so much.
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the Wachowskis also had ego issues at the time (edited)
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Bill Pope talked about it not long ago
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and I bet Joel Silver must be something to deal with too
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:58
Yeah, I don't think he went off the rails unprovoked but as a professional in any setting you have to pick your battles and respond with maturity if you want to keep the gig
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especially since it was a launching gig
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something to put him on the map
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:58
Now I've definitely heard Joel Silver had a yayo problem
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first become a name then you can play the diva
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:58
Still does? Idk
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he's not on M4
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WB and him broke their decades long alliance
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 20:59
He is not that is correct
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because of Sherlock 2 I believe
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he blames Warner for the box office flop
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they just kicked him out
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:00
At 1st I thought the WB / Joel Silver fall out was the reason why Matrix 4 was rumored for so long with no movement
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You should interview Marcus Chong
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:02
But if you've ever seen "True Romance" with Christian Slater & Patricia Arquette... the coked out Producer is supposed to be a parody of Silver, so I've heard.
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oh yeah it's not a surprise he talks very fast in the making ofs
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he seems very "90's Weinstein-like producer"
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:03
I actually thought about trying to reach out to him when I first started my channel but the decided it probably wasn't a good idea... same thing with Sophia Stewart. Egos like theirs don't play nice with brutal honesty like mine in the sandbox
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Yeah don't bother with people who live in their own heads and can't handle questions
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:04
Exactly.. I'd ask too many tough questions and challenge any obvious inaccuracies
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:05
holy shit the ending of this doc!
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he's straight up smearing everyone involved
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this is just sad
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definite mental health issues
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this is not the work of a sane person
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ugh, this is depressing
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As a thought experiment, what if everything he says is true, but no one will believe him? (to be fair, he does present evidence). Wouldnt that piss you off? And lets face it, theres lots of stories of psychotic actors flying off the handle - hello Christian Bale lolol
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:13
what little evidence he does present is delivered in a way that is favorable to the story he is telling
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Christian Bale was already Batman when he did that so it doesn't really compare. Like I said "become a name before you can be a diva"
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not that being a diva is acceptable haha but you catch my drift
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I mean, why does he have to present it a certain way. He shows the paystubs, he shows the contract, WB never refutes they wouldnt sign it
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Yeah, hes hot, but it doesnt automatically mean hes lying somehow
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:15
If you want to make the claim that you were wronged, that money was stolen from you by your boss, and that a film studio sent an assassin to come to your house and kill you, your evidence has to be unimpeachable. A lot of what he presents is heresay.
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the doc was made almost 20 years after The Matrix so he had time to cool down (edited)
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He seems to have evidence of a lot of it. Im just saying it could all be true
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:16
It could be true. I'm willing to bet some of it is, but not all of it. At least not true in the way he is claiming.
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these guys are actors, not generally known as the best of humanity anyhow
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we forgive them because we like who they portray
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:17
Maybe he did have to jog 5 miles to set each day. That's shitty, but it's not necessarily criminal on WB's part.
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It's obvious he thinks very highly of himself. Moreso than is probably normal for most people.
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Once the whole Harvey Weinstein thing is out there, makes you really wonder though
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these studios are sleazy
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everybody knew about Harvey for decades even I knew and I'm a nobody
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And yet it went on and on
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yeah it needed just a little push for all the dominos to fall
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these guys are actors, not generally known as the best of humanity anyhow
Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:21
Exactly they're Actors. Now imagine that he's an actor with mental health issues or at the very least dillusions of grandeur... Tom Althouse also claims assassins were sent to kill his sons. There were definitely inconsistencies in his story imo. Is it possible, yes. Is it more likely that these are paranoid delusions tho? That is the question.
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he was a part of the cast that made the first movie famous. He wasnt wrong about that. Actors all seem nutty...but Id side with the actor over the studio all day long
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to end the debate, here's a pic of little Marcus Chong on Little House on the Prairie
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cute lil fella
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:23
he has a few other videos on his channel, dude is kinda coo-coo
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so what?
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honestly, I think they all are
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So many well documented cases of crazy actors lol, doesnt mean they werent good
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:24
I wouldn't say I'm on the studios side. They certainly could have afforded to pay what he asked, avoided all this. Team tank > team Link
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Marlon Brandow, Betty Davis, Bale, Sheen, Pacino
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all crazy as the day is long
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etc etc etc
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Al is fine he just had alcohol and coke issues but he's fine now
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:25
I dunno, when he ends his documentary with multiple attempts at character assassination of everyone else involved in the film, I can't bring myself to call him a good person. The guy has convinced himself he was wronged, and rather than seeking justice in a fair and legal way, he'd rather bring everyone else down with him.
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he's like 80 now so I guess age calmed him down haha
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:26
Yeah so... Corey Feldman claims Cory Haim was sexually assaulted and rapes by Charlie Sheen on the set of Lucas
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I mean Charlie Sheen did everything so why not
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no no, Im not saying hes a good person. Not the point. Maybe just pissed and lashing out at this point
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Manic Velocity 26.7.2021. 21:26
maybe this is a discussion for #movies
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you know who's really sane and nice? Keanu
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:27
Hollyweird. A thread
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Hollyweird. A thread
lol yeah man
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I think we are all inclined to want to jump on Marcus because of our love of the MOVIE (s), but these are just people, crazy, sad weird hollywood people
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Guiz, he wasnt really Neo and didnt have powers
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Meh, I never let my love for a movie cloud my judgement
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and I'm just saying that about Keanu because he was really nice to me so I can say that he's nice, at least to me
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I dunno, when he ends his documentary with multiple attempts at character assassination of everyone else involved in the film, I can't bring myself to call him a good person. The guy has convinced himself he was wronged, and rather than seeking justice in a fair and legal way, he'd rather bring everyone else down with him.
Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:30
This is what stood out to me. He just seems more bitter than anything else. Like I thought he could have just put the facts out there & more people would have been supportive
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ok, why shouldnt he be bitter? You see what CHristian Bale did to a poor lighting guy? lololol
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I think what happened is: he thought he would get a million, they said 400k he said fuck off, started to harrass them they blacklisted him and he just went to the deep end in his head
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20 years later, he's even more angry and more crazy (edited)
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could be...or maybe they couldnt get him and decided to fuck him over
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the studios are ruthless
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either way, he's not really a mentally fit person anymore from what I've seen
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dont confuse that as a job requirement for an actor
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he could have actually made a good doc about the whole story and his carreer instead of a conspiracy theory like video
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"what happens when you get blacklisted" would make for a great subject
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He did what he could I suppose
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:37
I didn't like Bale anyway so his tantrum just validated my position but yea... if someone says I got 250-400k for you and you say, well I want a million, and they say we don't have it for you, walk away. Don't carry it for 2 decades
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for me, Bale is a great actor. Hes also a fuckhead, but again, I dont expect him to be a great guy.
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As for the money, everyone handles things differently, especially crazy people 😄
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Harold Perrineau net worth and salary: Harold Perrineau is an American actor who has a net worth of $7 million. Harold Perrineau is best
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It may be a case of him trying to get people to listen, then major frustration sets in, and it becomes obsession
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:40
And Chong grew up in Hollywood. So he's probably seen psychotic behaviors normalized then made the mistake of thinking he was famous enough to get away with it
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Yeah, growing up around pedos might screw you up
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:41
I don't think Link was bad... just that Tank fit better
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Link was mostly bad....or the lines they gave him were I guess
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Neomatrixology 26.7.2021. 21:42
Casualties of writing someone out of the script 🤷🏿‍♂️
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Def had some cheese doodle lines
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Yeah, the superman thing would never have been in Tanks vocabulary
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godspeed, little doodle
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grab 2
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Anyone know who the actor is in this scene? The guy who escorted Morpheus in Reloaded. And is the same guy who died fighting against the Sentinels in an APU in Revolutions, right?
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Anyone know who the actor is in this scene? The guy who escorted Morpheus in Reloaded. And is the same guy who died fighting against the Sentinels in an APU in Revolutions, right?
Metalogic 29.7.2021. 1:14
When Gym Teachers act!
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Beat me to it lolol
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I don't know what that means, lol, sorry. 😅
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It's a quote from the RiffTrax for The Matrix Reloaded. Can't recommend it enough
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These comedy guys that riff on movies, they used to do a TV show back in the day called Mystery Science Theater 3000. They have like joke tracks to go along with movies, the one for reloaded pretty funny
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Metalogic 29.7.2021. 1:22
As for who the actor is, I have no idea. I don't know if this guy was given an In-Universe name or if he was just "Guy #32"
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Oh, I see! Lol, that's neat! 😋
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Oh ok, yeah, I couldn't find anything on him. Thanks, though! 🙂
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I've never seen that dude in anything else
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Daryl Heath, Actor: The Matrix Reloaded. Daryl Heath is an actor, known for The Matrix Reloaded (2003), Landfall (2017) and Enter the Matrix (2003).
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Omg, thank you!! Lol, much appreciated! APU Escort. Of course. 🤦 at myself. 😛
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Deleted User 29.7.2021. 16:56
Greetings all
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Greetings all
About time you made it here
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About time you made it here
Deleted User 29.7.2021. 17:00
Yeah, took me a while to log in to make it but I'm glad
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Hi to anyone I don't know here
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ayy how goes?
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bitbomb
ayy how goes?
Deleted User 29.7.2021. 17:46
I'm not too bad, how about you?
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not too shabby, welcome
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bitbomb
not too shabby, welcome
Deleted User 30.7.2021. 11:30
Thank you, I'm looking forward to see how deep this rabit hole goes
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Deleted User 30.7.2021. 11:33
So, what's everyone up to today?
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working all night, sleeping at my girlfriend's during the day, waking up and going home and eating chicken wings and playing games online with the boys.
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Watched Hot Rod
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But I feel like we’re in the wrong channel for all this but I’m not a mod
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Deleted User 30.7.2021. 11:38
Lol
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all our lives are a film, maaaaaaaaaaan.
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Happy 60th birthday to Laurence Fishburne.
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That's a fucking great look
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Holy shit
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Prepare to get woke
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B4nH4mm3r plays 30.7.2021. 13:19
I THOUGHT so. dam im old
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recognized the door...
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I need to save this to send to incels
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I knew about Cowboy Curtis, but what movie is that from @Ouranos
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Firekiller 🔥 31.7.2021. 0:36
Just finished watching Revolutions
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fridaynightdestination 31.7.2021. 5:51
So today I was at Target, and they had this cool The Matrix 4 Film Collection cover art that was all miminalistic with an illustration of the pay phone hanging down, I can’t find it online. Does anyone know what I’m talking about and have the pic?
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Manic Velocity 31.7.2021. 7:02
I might have to bounce around to a couple Targets tomorrow
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I found a similar fan poster for the original Matrix, but it's on Pinterest
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the new OST vinyls cover is pretty cool too
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Eh, not a fan tbh
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The phone booth looks like nobody textured it
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I think that's one you're looking for
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@Firekiller 🔥Yeah imo Woll Smoth always plays Woll Smoth in (blank), wouldnt have been a good Neo. Reeves gets a lot of flak for his performances (some deserved!), but he's a great at getting an audience to see themselves in his characters.
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Val Kilmer as Morpheus? That couldve been pretty interesting!
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I think Will was right. He did us a favor.
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Firekiller 🔥 31.7.2021. 20:51
Will Smith has the risk of being typecast
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Welcome to erf. (edited)
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Firekiller 🔥 31.7.2021. 21:07
erf?
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erf
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hokay, so
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 16:37
Question for everyone. Not sure if this belongs here or in Lore. In Revs as Neo is going to 01 he can't stop the Sentinels and one actually goes Through him somehow. He gets knocked out or paralyzed by the force/caught in a weird energy field, but then Trinity grabs his hand hand he comes back to the "normal" physical world. How do you all explain that bit of him absorbing the Sentinel? I think the purpose in the story was for him to gain a deeper connection with the yellow source code. But the absorption of physical matter itself is a bit strange. What are your thoughts on that? It defies the laws of physics in the REAL, as does Neo stopping the Sentinels at the end of Reloaded with his mind, but this seems to be on a different level of energy/spiritual connection.
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@astro_icecream🍦 is starting to believe!
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:01
While the Matrix movies are filled with metaphors and philosophical ideas, they remain coherent at a surface level and always technically makes sense. The scene you're talking about I think only shows how Neo's connection to the squids through the source goes both ways; he can damage them remotely, but they can do the same to him. I think the image of the squid "going through him" is just a visual representation of the squid hacking him, or managing to cause some feedback damage or something. I don't think the squid physically went through him at all, there would be damage to the cockpit. As for defying the laws of the Real, I don't think it does either. Neo, Morpheus, Trin and all the other tank bred humans are all partly machine from the start. With the ports all along their bodies and their ability to jack into a computer simulation by jamming a spear in their heads, it shows they already have some neural link/processor/whatever in their heads. I think Neo's ability is nothing more than a connection to every other program ran by 01 that kind of "unlocked" after he touched the source in Reloaded. Literally WiFi warfare.
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His RSI in the Matrix is given cheat codes by the Machines, but like the Oracle says, "the powers of the One extend beyond this world". It's heavily implied his human body, which is part machine, is also given unique abilities. Can't super jump, fly or punch through walls in the Real, since his body is human, but the chip in his head is obviously a lot higher tech than that of Morpheus or Trinity.
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:06
Yes, the lack of damage to the ship was confusing for me. I actually didn't really n ot ice this moment the first few times I saw the film as a result of that. I like your reciprocal effect explanation, that they, Neo and machines, can affect each other without physically touching.
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:07
What @CorruptedRSI said is where I've mostly been until I read a bit about quantum mechanics. It's not scientifically accurate but I like to think Neo entangled himself with the source, and the sentinel going through him is another entanglement happening, which causes him to almost go back to Mobil Ave. But it is all up to interpretation. I merely go with the quantum entanglement because it sounds more beautiful than wifi. (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:08
Yeah I tend to see these movies as very technical first lol
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With symbolism, but easily explainable technically.
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:08
I also felt it was a Mobil Ave-esque moment of Neo reaching some other plane of existence for a moment, but Trinity pulling him back because they still had to get the ship to 01 (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:09
But then the question would be, how can Trinity pull him back?
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:11
I think Trinity pulls him back because she represents love, humanity, and the physical world. The fact that the camera focuses so much on them holding hands in those scenes is a callback to the Zion Rave scene when she holds his hand and says she won't let him go
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:11
A symbolic meaning. But technically, I guess that would translate to somehow him getting his mind back in order, "resisting" the attack.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:14
Yeah, that goes too far into metaphors for me. Everything in those movies has a regular explanation that doesn't depend on symbolism exclusively. Trin is holding his hand like you hold the hand of someone fighting a disease; you know it's not technically doing anything, but you hope it does. And her hand must be calming to Neo. Beyond that, I get kind of lost.
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But that's on me. I'm a big adherent to the cookie theory, I like things to make sense.
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:15
that is fair
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:15
Meta theories I never really got into them.
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:15
I'm big into metaphors, but I want the science to make basic sense, too. I need both!
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:16
I'm more in the metaphor camp 😄 a good mix here
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:16
Metaphors are great on a writing level, when making a movie. But the plot still needs to make sense without the metaphors.
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(again, for me, not saying I'm right :P)
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:17
IMO Trinity physically grounded Neo in that moment his experience was techno-spiritual but not something happening in the physical world hence no damage to the ship
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:18
Sure, that I can see
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:18
I had a whole philosophy course in grad school about "mimesis" and the word meta was practically in every comment students made. It can get very confusing when it's about semiotics, Foucault, Derrida, etc. I don't need to go that far into it, but I need some metaphor to really enjoy a story usually. These films work both ways, and I think that's great (edited)
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Neo was basically tripping on acid but in a good way
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:19
I go into much more detail here about what we are & are not given on this subject: https://youtu.be/j6cLMVSwdGk
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:19
Can I mention the book I just published this week that talks a bit about this 😄
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probably less intense than @astro_icecream🍦 's classes though
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I go into much more detail here about what we are & are not given on this subject: https://youtu.be/j6cLMVSwdGk
astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:20
I'll watch that one again. It's been a while!
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I like the Trinity as BIP explanation for grounding him
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Like how she resurrected him in part 1
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IMO Trinity physically grounded Neo in that moment his experience was techno-spiritual but not something happening in the physical world hence no damage to the ship
astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:23
Yes, exactly. Just as the Zion Rave represents the physical and human v the mechanical. That hands callback brings back the physical v. Machine idea in the moment of Neo having some sort of beyond human/trans-human experience
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Like how she resurrected him in part 1
astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:24
Yeah, that works too. I think it can be both
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:25
Ysee, Trin bringing back Neo at the end of one first with the cookie theory more than anything else I find
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:26
Cookie theory/BIP are along the same lines of machine involvement
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Yeah, that works too. I think it can be both
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:26
It's the both part that I think is important. No matter how hard you look at it there's room for a non-linear approach. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it can be both
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:28
That looks like a spoiler room question lol
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BIP was the very last event before closure so I'm not 100% sure the Ws had any involvement in that
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:28
Right, sorry
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:28
yeah Im trying to keep myself spoiler free
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:28
BIP was in Mxo, right?
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:28
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It's the both part that I think is important. No matter how hard you look at it there's room for a non-linear approach. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it can be both
astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:29
Exactly. That's what makes it deep, fun, and beyond the norm in storytelling. It's much harder, as humans, for us to live in the gray area of duality. (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:29
It's incredible there's still so much room for discussion about these movies 20 years later
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astro_icecream🍦
Exactly. That's what makes it deep, fun, and beyond the norm in storytelling. It's much harder, as humans, for us to live in the gray area of duality. (edited)
SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:30
Agreed with that. I like to keep it very ambiguous with the meanings, but also I have my own personal reading
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being involved in another fandom (the sopranos) I've seen people talk about one scene for 15 years so I'm not that surprised
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:33
the movies have so much to love, the music, the action scenes I can just re-watch endlessly, to the meanings and theories
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being involved in another fandom (the sopranos) I've seen people talk about one scene for 15 years so I'm not that surprised
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:33
The end?
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yeah
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:34
So was he shot in the head?
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:34
Open ended FTW
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:34
Or the jury is still out?
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also the twin peaks fandom is pretty crazy too when it comes to very old theories
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don't stop believing, guys
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the movies have so much to love, the music, the action scenes I can just re-watch endlessly, to the meanings and theories
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:34
I always rewatch anything that has to do with the Oracle. By far the best character, she's fascinating.
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I always rewatch anything that has to do with the Oracle. By far the best character, she's fascinating.
I really miss the original actress 😦
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she made the oracle very human
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I really miss the original actress 😦
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:35
Same, for sure I liked her more, but I like that they put into the lore why she changed RSI
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:35
I knew even back then when everyone was complaining about it, I thought it was genius honestly. IF they had out right defined the ending, there would have been 30% of people saying they hated it & another 30% say it was predictable. Instead, YOU choose whatever YOU want to believe
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:35
And didn't just change the actress without addressing it.
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Neomatrixology
I knew even back then when everyone was complaining about it, I thought it was genius honestly. IF they had out right defined the ending, there would have been 30% of people saying they hated it & another 30% say it was predictable. Instead, YOU choose whatever YOU want to believe
oh yeah I love this about the sopranos and twin peaks: it's up to you
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I knew even back then when everyone was complaining about it, I thought it was genius honestly. IF they had out right defined the ending, there would have been 30% of people saying they hated it & another 30% say it was predictable. Instead, YOU choose whatever YOU want to believe
Metalogic 4.8.2021. 17:36
That was probably the same reason why they ended Inception the way they did.
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and I hope M4 is like that too
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Question for everyone. Not sure if this belongs here or in Lore. In Revs as Neo is going to 01 he can't stop the Sentinels and one actually goes Through him somehow. He gets knocked out or paralyzed by the force/caught in a weird energy field, but then Trinity grabs his hand hand he comes back to the "normal" physical world. How do you all explain that bit of him absorbing the Sentinel? I think the purpose in the story was for him to gain a deeper connection with the yellow source code. But the absorption of physical matter itself is a bit strange. What are your thoughts on that? It defies the laws of physics in the REAL, as does Neo stopping the Sentinels at the end of Reloaded with his mind, but this seems to be on a different level of energy/spiritual connection.
When in doubt I go to the script. Script makes this a little less ambiguous. The sentinels physical shell doesn’t go into Neo. It smashes into the cockpit and dies. The golden energy view we get is our first glimpse we have of what Neo is doing on that “spiritual” (wachowski’s word not mine) and the absorption looks like it’s just the process Neo’s been using to shut them down. At that point though it’s starting to tax Neo and he’s about to get lost in between worlds again. Trinity grabs him and snaps him back into the Real similar to what her kiss does in the first film when it recovers him. That’s my take anyway.
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Neo and Trinity eat onion rings while Journey is playing. Suddenly, Hugo Weaving enters in a members only jacket
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I knew even back then when everyone was complaining about it, I thought it was genius honestly. IF they had out right defined the ending, there would have been 30% of people saying they hated it & another 30% say it was predictable. Instead, YOU choose whatever YOU want to believe
SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:37
that's exactly it for me
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Metalogic
That was probably the same reason why they ended Inception the way they did.
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:37
Agreee. Actor Michael Kane (SP?) Leaked the clue of how you can tell in Inception but yeah it is edited in an open ended, non definitive way
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2001 or Planet of the Apes are also good exemple of a great open ending
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When in doubt I go to the script. Script makes this a little less ambiguous. The sentinels physical shell doesn’t go into Neo. It smashes into the cockpit and dies. The golden energy view we get is our first glimpse we have of what Neo is doing on that “spiritual” (wachowski’s word not mine) and the absorption looks like it’s just the process Neo’s been using to shut them down. At that point though it’s starting to tax Neo and he’s about to get lost in between worlds again. Trinity grabs him and snaps him back into the Real similar to what her kiss does in the first film when it recovers him. That’s my take anyway.
SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:38
that's nice I hadn't thought of that "sucking them up" as an active action from Neo's part
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If you cared about the top in Inception you fell for Nolan’s dream.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:39
The ring was the totem, right?
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Neomatrixology
Agreee. Actor Michael Kane (SP?) Leaked the clue of how you can tell in Inception but yeah it is edited in an open ended, non definitive way
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Michael Caine
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Michael Caine
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:39
Thank you. That's Pops. That's the guy
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which sounds a lot like "my cocaine" when said in his voice
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:40
Kek you're right
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that's nice I hadn't thought of that "sucking them up" as an active action from Neo's part
Should say it might not be as direct as absorption. There’s the possibility that the Sentinel went on the offensive there to try and fight back against what Neo was doing. Another option is Neo was doing what he did to Smith in M1 and the Sentinel tried to do it back at him.
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Ouranos
which sounds a lot like "my cocaine" when said in his voice
Metalogic 4.8.2021. 17:40
My Sharona!
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which sounds a lot like "my cocaine" when said in his voice
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 17:40
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I think the sentinel in question just became The General
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The ring was the totem, right?
Yes.
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but I've heard the General is actually one of the sentinels that killed Mifune hence the facial scars
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who knows
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Should say it might not be as direct as absorption. There’s the possibility that the Sentinel went on the offensive there to try and fight back against what Neo was doing. Another option is Neo was doing what he did to Smith in M1 and the Sentinel tried to do it back at him.
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:41
Always saw that as an attack. The squids are clearly trying to stop them from reaching 01, so it's trying to kill/damage Neo as much as possible. If Neo got a techno spiritual experience from it, I'd say it's a unintended byproduct of the hack.
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Should say it might not be as direct as absorption. There’s the possibility that the Sentinel went on the offensive there to try and fight back against what Neo was doing. Another option is Neo was doing what he did to Smith in M1 and the Sentinel tried to do it back at him.
SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:41
I really like how the movies address what neo does to smith without anyone talking about it. Other than the Oracle saying "he is you, your opposite, your negative". No one ever goes "wait did he come back cause you like FLEW inside him?"
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Metalogic 4.8.2021. 17:41
I thought The General was that Squiddy that was at Zion in Revolutions and received the radio transmission from Zero One to stop it's attack
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I thought The General was that Squiddy that was at Zion in Revolutions and received the radio transmission from Zero One to stop it's attack
"guys just do a very sad ballet until we hear more from 01"
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:42
I absolutely loved that plot line from MxO. I thought the idea of a rebelling platoon of squids was amazing.
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Ouranos
"guys just do a very sad ballet until we hear more from 01"
Metalogic 4.8.2021. 17:42
Finally, a chance to show off my dancing abilities!
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:43
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I really like how the movies address what neo does to smith without anyone talking about it. Other than the Oracle saying "he is you, your opposite, your negative". No one ever goes "wait did he come back cause you like FLEW inside him?"
What’s interesting is how that end changed in writing. In 96 Neo just runs off and flips in the bird. In 97 Neo disappears and does something like Agents do to bluepills to him. The actual flying into and blowing up Smith from inside came very late.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:44
96 would have been amazing haha
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:45
that's really interesting
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Neo entered Smith's body without his consent
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we should cancel Neo imo
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Metalogic 4.8.2021. 17:47
Neo gets #Metoo'd
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What’s interesting is how that end changed in writing. In 96 Neo just runs off and flips in the bird. In 97 Neo disappears and does something like Agents do to bluepills to him. The actual flying into and blowing up Smith from inside came very late.
astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:47
I always thought that effects for the flying into/explosion thing were distractingly bad.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:47
Agreed
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Always thought it was a jarring choice to put in the film
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Especially since it never comes back in 2-3
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astro_icecream🍦 4.8.2021. 17:47
I'd prefer thr 97 version you're referencing
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good thing he didn't do that to every agent he met
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:48
The real question that will really bake your noodle later on is, if Neo had done this to Brown or Jones instead, would they have turned into a virus like Smith did? (edited)
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:49
100%
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:49
As a cookie adherent, I agree, 100%.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:49
Poor Smith. Never had a choice in anything.
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:49
I like how it pools in his head
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The real question that will really bake your noodle later on is, if Neo had done this to Brown or Jones instead, would they have turned into a virus like Smith did? (edited)
I don't think so. Smith was already on the verge of humanization before it happened. He even removed his earpiece.
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he had "feelings" that Brown or Jones didn't seem to have
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:50
Smith was quirky for sure, but the Oracle's plan depended on a world ending cataclysm event in the Matrix to force a peace between 01 and Zion.
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they would have gone back to the source
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:51
How to achieve that without virus Smith? (edited)
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her plan only started when Neo picked Trinity over Zion
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Smith was already a thing
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:52
Her plan was from the start, at least I believe so.
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depended on if Neo loved Trinity
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:52
She "manufactured" Neo and Trin's love affair so that Neo wouldn't fulfill his purpose.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:52
So that he would pick her over Zion
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:52
I see that theory. IMO i prefer it to be Neo's choice, but I'm a Morpheus'ist
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:52
"you're not here to make a choice, you've already made it".
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COOKIE BRUH
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:53
when he flew into Smith, that's one choice
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I mean yeah determinism vs free will is the theme of the movies but it doesn't mean it has to be one or the other
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:53
yeah that's it
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that's why we're still talking about it and I'm getting flashbacks to 2003 debating whether the real world was a matrix or not in the Last Free City forums (edited)
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LFC, good times. Too bad they're gone
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:54
those months before Revolutions were intense
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I spent too long on those forums
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:54
I hate the Matrix within a Matrix theory just because it undermines everything in all movies to a point where there's no point.
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It could be legit, but I don't believe it because it's just depressing.
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:54
it removes importance
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i eventually saw that
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:55
"okay but Oracle?" don't matter. "But merv?" don't matter. "But peace?" don't matter.
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Ergh, yeah I'm good without that.
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It’s dumb, lazy, unnecessarily complicated.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:56
It's the one thing I don't want to see in M4
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Some acknowledgment that its true
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It would just shit on the first three movies
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:56
agreed
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You won’t. I wouldn’t bother worrying about it
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But how can Neo has powurs?!!!1
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The Wachowskis were always consistent is calling the real The Real. You got a blue filter over everything to stress that home.
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well he's just Jesus what's so complicated about that
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Hell you got a wordy as fuck info drop by the guy that made the 11 herbs and spices aka god
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:58
He's got a i7 core cpu while everyone else has a Pentium 4
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Keanu looks like Jesus now so everything works out
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 17:58
the matrix itself is not just a computer software, but reality manipulation at quantum level
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I mean that's what I'm workshopping
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I like the idea of the machines stumbling upon the building blocks of reality in a way
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:59
I think the simulation runs from the minds of the people connected to it. Like, the Machines design what's possible in the Matrix, but most of what's there is projected by the bluepill's minds. Kinda like a neural net
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I think that the only things the Ws didn't let Rarebit do was something about the real not being real and the machines not actually using people as power?
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 17:59
It would explain why humans rejecting the Matrix is so catastrophic to them
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It literally runs from them.
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It would explain why humans rejecting the Matrix is so catastrophic to them
Eww no.
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If only because seeing people spout off on “humans were originally going to be processors” bit triggers me (edited)
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close enough
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:02
Hum well I didn't say that. Just that the Matrix isn't just a prison for the mind, there's a relationship between the mind connected to it and the machine running it. What's your reasoning for why humans rejecting the Matrix leads to a system crash? Curious
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If only because seeing people spout off on “humans were originally going to be processors” bit triggers me (edited)
Metalogic 4.8.2021. 18:02
I still say humans being processors is better than them being batteries.
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I mean that’s fine. It just wasn’t ever the plan. Morpheus always makes the battery connection in explaining the thing to Neo in every draft of the script. But Morpheus is also 100% always wrong so idk
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I still say humans being processors is better than them being batteries.
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:04
I think it's both. The machines do get energy out of humans, a power source. But they do serve as some sort of processor to the Matrix as well.
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I mean that’s fine. It just wasn’t ever the plan. Morpheus always makes the battery connection in explaining the thing to Neo in every draft of the script. But Morpheus is also 100% always wrong so idk
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:04
Hahahaha
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The Architect does accept the premise that they're using humans as a power source when Neo confronts him though
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So until we learn something else, it's still what the main objective is
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 18:05
that I would like to hear a bit more of in 4
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them being humanity's caretakers of some sort
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well Morpheus is going to be right in M4 I think
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Neo's remains will be useful
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that I would like to hear a bit more of in 4
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:06
Not me. I want nothing meta that changes how you see the first three. Continue on the line that was traced, don't put some huge twist that changes everything. (edited)
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"MaChInEs wErE GoOd aLl aLoNg"
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Yeah no
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but I don't think the Ws would tell Rarebit never to change anything about the bateries story for nothing
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it seems important to them
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:07
Massacring thousands of people in Zion every cycle isn't good, no matter how you see it.
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 18:07
doesnt have to be good, can be good intentions with bad consequences
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The Architect does accept the premise that they're using humans as a power source when Neo confronts him though
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:07
He acknowledged the power source but also tells Neo it isn't needed for their survival. The machines were using the threat of human extinction as leverage.
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as long as you have fusion you don't need human batteries
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:08
So they run coal mines on top of the Matrix lol. But he does says that it would impact their comfort a lot. Like, they can live without humans, but not as sustainable. Can't expand and develop as much.
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but they could also build towers to get over the dark sky and get good old solar power I don't know
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doesnt have to be good, can be good intentions with bad consequences
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:09
Personally I've seen this issue as yet another Philosophical thought experiment or debate being interjected. The population of Zion has been killed 6 times. That's far less casualties than entire system crash
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:09
What I really want to know though, is what is 01's main goal now that it rules the Earth. Do they seek ascension or something? They're too smart to just want to reproduce endlessly.
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Neomatrixology
Personally I've seen this issue as yet another Philosophical thought experiment or debate being interjected. The population of Zion has been killed 6 times. That's far less casualties than entire system crash
and far less than the original Machine vs Humans war
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I can’t remember if this was an MxO line or something but somewhere I read the battery usage was done as a means of caretaking and a return to their original purpose.
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:09
Do the means morally justify the ends if more lives are saved? (edited)
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Personally I've seen this issue as yet another Philosophical thought experiment or debate being interjected. The population of Zion has been killed 6 times. That's far less casualties than entire system crash
CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:10
Is killing one person to avoid 100 dying good? The main point being killing vs dying.
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Always the answer to the trolly
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Is killing one person to avoid 100 dying good? The main point being killing vs dying.
Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:11
Hence why it's a good philosophical debate. It's better to let everyone die?
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:11
Then killing them yourself? Note that those people you're killing are "free", while the ones you're saving are your prisoners.
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The morality gets pretty one sided.
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Plus, when you consider the reason your prisoners will die is also entirely your fault.
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they're not prisoners if they're given a choice
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:13
They're not though?
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When they do make the choice to be free, they're already planned to be mass executed later on.
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They can accept the fake reality like most people, or see the cracks and be free'd.
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so not prisoners
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:14
Shit choice mate.
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Accept your cell, prisoner.
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Your choice.
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it also depends on The One
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:14
The One, except for Neo, is always a pawn of that same system.
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He just serves to make that whole "massacre everyone to protect the prisoners" plan work.
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"except for Neo" well yeah sure but he's the big part of the debate (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:15
Not on the Machine's side of morality, no.
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When they made Neo the next One, it was intended he would reset the Matrix as they commanded.
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Allow the destruction of Zion.
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That was 01's goal in making Neo. It backfired, but that's on Neo/Oracle, not 01.
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in the end The Machines were the only ones caring about the Truth
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:16
Truth or Truce?
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Truce, sorry
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:16
Haha yeah
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Agreed.
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Machines are simple. Binary. Like the Architect. Is the Truce now more advantageous an option than before? Yes? Commit 100%.
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but that's mostly because Zion was a bit awful
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Yeah at least Machines know how to handle a deal
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"give us your flesh and you can live"
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:18
Zion is terrible. Rewriting all the dialogs from the Zion criticals, holy crap man
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They're not committed at all.
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B4nH4mm3r plays 4.8.2021. 18:18
thats my finding so far
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SolivagantX 4.8.2021. 18:18
I do feel MxO suffers a bit from what would later be called The Force Awakens'ism
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they gotta keep the conflict going somehow
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:19
Sure, but it'd been fun if we had seen Zion be commited to it as well, and stuff just happened eventually to break it.
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B4nH4mm3r plays 4.8.2021. 18:19
let humans be humans, it will continually fall apart
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:19
But all while the Truce is on, they go on and on about "Zion will triumph over the machines durrr"
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yeah that's Zion in LET days
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they changed after SOE
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especially when EPN arrived
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:20
Truce was fucked by then though
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well the war was declared long after that because of New Zion
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:22
Fuzzy on the details tbh
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Y’all still ain’t ready for the LET ain’t canon discussion it seems.
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Sarah Edmontons is calling her lawyer, Gami
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That’s fine! Defending myself against someone who ain’t realz easiest thing I’ll do (edited)
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:24
I go as far as Cinematic, missions, and Rarebits notes up through the chapters that got released
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:24
Wait, is that legit? Some parts of Mxo aren't canon?
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I go as far as MxO isn’t canon
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Wait, is that legit? Some parts of Mxo aren't canon?
No. But the LET played fast and lose with the story
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:25
Ok, Mxo not canon makes sense, Mxo canon makes sense. But some parts of it only?
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To the point where nothing was actually written out and planned beyond
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Some stuff from LET survived like Veil and Ookami
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But not much
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:25
Wait, what's LET
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I'm so lost
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Live Events Team
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:26
Oooh okay
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Before SOE, Monolith had an entire team just for live events
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:26
So live events aren't canon
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Then Rarebit took over on his own after that
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(With Chadwick’s help for a bit)
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So live events aren't canon
They are. That’s the problem
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The LET created a lot of side stories like the Novalis or Enmaskereed or whatever his name was
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But not much made it to a post LET world
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:27
Yeah. Wachowskis gave Chadwick the nod & then situation required the torch to be passed to Rarebit, but I can't co-sign LET as canon... for starters only like 10, 20 people can even tell what all happened at this point
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I can!
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:27
Oh in that sense, okay
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That makes sense I guess
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But the LET days were way better than afterwards when it comes to sheer scope and entertainment
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Neomatrixology 4.8.2021. 18:29
I really wished they had focused on content instead of the combat renovation
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SOE saved the game but couldn’t keep the LET alive for so few players so they focused on remaking the broken combat system. Cant blame them.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:33
Same
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Live events were cool, but the game needed some fixing more (edited)
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Especially if they couldn't afford to do both
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I really wished they had focused on content instead of the combat renovation
Had this been the case... The servers might still be live.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:34
That's a little hopeful thinking.
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I said might for a reason.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:35
I said little for a reason lol
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Lmao, fair!
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Yeah, though- that focus-change was actually what drove me out.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:40
For me I had gotten extremely tired of the actual gameplay, running mishes and grinding constructs had gotten very, very old. I was staying for the player interractions and the storyline. When the storyline kinda went to shit in the last year, and players started leaving, both my reasons to stay were kinda gone as well
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Stayed subbed until the end but at one point I was dropping into Mara C for like 10 minutes once per week
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Indeed, indeed.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:40
Check friend/guild list, no one, log off
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The sever merge was the death's knell that - that, and knowledge of what SOE also did to SWG under a similar vein.
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CorruptedRSI 4.8.2021. 18:42
At the same time I can't imagine how unpopulated they would have been if they hadn't been merged. Maybe it was just done too soon.
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And yeah, SWG was a hard pill to swallow. Not sure if I ever did even today
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At the same time I can't imagine how unpopulated they would have been if they hadn't been merged. Maybe it was just done too soon.
Yeah, it wasn't an unfair choice - just a warning of that which was to come.
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I think they started with way too many servers
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The LET created a lot of side stories like the Novalis or Enmaskereed or whatever his name was
Gemaskeerd and Enmascarado, chum. 😉
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One is Dutch for masked man, the other's spanish for the same. Or therabouts.
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haha close enough
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They both acted mostly the same, so a mash up of the two is totes understandable. Gemaskerado isnt that bad of a handle, actually!
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That the LET just took a word or phrase and threw it into google translate says it all really. They did the same thing with the Morpheus imposters. (edited)
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It’s all canon. If not, it’s false advertising. I want my money back. Class action law suit! (edited)
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Please do
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I just wanna see what happens
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just leaving this here
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That the LET just took a word or phrase and threw it into google translate says it all really. They did the same thing with the Morpheus imposters. (edited)
I mean, look at the handles here and back when MxO was live. I dont consider their naming conventions a knock on their creativity.
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just look at the guys on the hammer all being named after guns
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 13:27
I put that on my book! just realised the other day
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is Maggie a known nickname for Magnum?
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thats what I assumed
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I could only find borderlands 3 has a gun named Maggie
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Ive heard them referred to as Mags before, but Maggie could def be a feminization. Fits for meee
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Thanks to @SolivagantX we've added a loooot of cool and rare concept art/storyboards from the movies to the drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bUUotQn8IxegqLIqwxfuswyu4NcKrbYs
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more to come!
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 15:01
neo throwing a fireball in the Chateau fight
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or is it that he just pushed them?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.8.2021. 15:02
These concept arts look absolutely SICK! breathtaking
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Phew, Niobe in sexy outfits.
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or is it that he just pushed them?
Reloaded’s script had a few instances of Neo doing some dragon ball shit. Like “summoning his chi” and using it to launch someone.
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 18:48
Yeah must be that in the storyboard then
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I'm reading the first Reloaded draft that takes place right after the first movie
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for those interested
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Choi and Dujour are in there
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 18:49
I never read any scripts because I wasnt sure of the veracity
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(and Tank...)
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That scripts fake
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well good that I just started reading
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Every piece of dialogue is in quotations.
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it was on Matrixfans.net
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Yeah it’s been around forever. Someone on the IMDb for scripts claimed credit and said he made it. But there are a lot of problems.
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 18:52
is there a list / place with accurate scripts? @Gami
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yeah I wouldn't mind getting them for the drive
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Kinda. When I get home I’ll link the handful I know are legit.
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I think there are a few legit drafts for the first movie
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Like there’s no hard confirmation on the 96 and 97 drafts of the first film. But the 96 draft is the only draft that actually details out a few scenes that were stroyboarded but later cut.
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somebody ask Lilly on twitter
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So the 96 draft that floats around is probably legit. And the changes between 97 and 98 are all relatively small and don’t have any major problems. It’s easy to deconstruct the script writing between 97 and 98
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when it comes to reloaded and revolutions we only have the last drafts, right?
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Yeah. Which sucks
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I’ve been looking for over a decade for anything prior. Especially on Revolutions
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it's tough to find anything related to Revolutions
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we don't even have promotional pictures
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not even one official picture of Monica in her beautiful red dress
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shame
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Also been trying to find a 94 draft of the first script
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it's like WB was ashamed of promoting the movie
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Also been trying to find a 94 draft of the first script
I'll do some research
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 19:00
I mean Reloaded was the highest grossing R movie until Deadpool
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Shoulda been proud
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I'll do some research
Best of luck!
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"Their manager Lawrence Mattis remembered that "nobody got" The Matrix when he first sent out the script in 1994"
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well it exists
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that's all I can say so far
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It was sold on 2/17/1994 for 1M
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Yeah. There are excerpts of it in the Art of the Matrix book WB put out
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Buts it’s three scenes total. Neo having a birthday. Then a character named Eddy replacing Trinity in the first chase
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damn it's tough to find
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probably on the wayback somewhere
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14 drafts have been written in total
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Think I’ve seen 6 of them
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do you remember any old matrix websites? LastFreeCity was more of a forum than a website so I don't think it will be there but I'll check just in case (edited)
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Matrix101 matrixexplained
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Matrixonline
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GameFAQs had a Matrix message board.
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 19:18
  • www.matrixforever.com
  • www.thelastfreecity.com
  • www.matrixfans.net
  • www.matrixfansite.com
  • matrix.thescarymonkeyshow.com
  • www.matrixcommunity.org
  • www.code-matrix.net
  • www.thematrix101.com
  • www.x-matrix.net
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hey, code matrix
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I worked there
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 19:19
What was it? I cant remember, these are from my school project’s bibliography LOLFACEMATRIX
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It was a French website
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god I'm old
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So back to the 99 Reloaded script. You can’t bridge Morpheus from the first film into that script. He acts nothing like we see him at the end of M1 in what is supposed to be maybe a week later. That’s probably the biggest tell that it’s fan made. Outside of the formatting issues that someone familiar with screen writing wouldn’t make.
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It’s entertaining, kinda. Smith has a ponytail. And if you want some fanfiction it’s a classic at this point.
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god I'm old
SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 19:28
My school project was from 2004 btw also old here breathtaking
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Oh I remmeber that french website! I used to grab images from it
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It had cool stuff
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I kinda realized it was fishy when Choi and Dujour showed up so I came here
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I guess the closest to a between M1 and M2 story we got is PON
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Lol a lot of people run with that and start asking if they were working with Morpheus
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Choi was originally called Anthony. Dujoir however always kept that name
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 19:34
What would they do with the discs? Was it like visual hallucinogenics?
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So in 96 it’s them trying to get a boot off Anothony’s car. Then I think it was changed to just getting rid of the tickets
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It was also directly mentioned by Smith in the interrogation scene.
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So in 96 it’s them trying to get a boot off Anothony’s car. Then I think it was changed to just getting rid of the tickets
SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 21:46
what do you mean what tickets, what boot
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Choi shows up freaking out that Chicago PD put a boot on his car. Neo hacks into their system and gets the boot removed. That’s in the 96 script. 97 Changes this to Choi needing a program to get rid of his traffic violations. I believe Smith comments on both these things when he later interrogated Neo. 98 they removed all comments on what Choi was getting from Neo. But from looking at past drafts we can assume it’s a program to hack into something
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 22:01
I like the ambiguity in the end
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SolivagantX 5.8.2021. 22:40
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1T7SiG9pI7Nbmg5zf58dgDxb7LHidqCyI thanks to reverse image search found a ton more of Persephone promo photos for Reloaded
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.8.2021. 23:01
Persephone being hot af
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Manic Velocity 5.8.2021. 23:45
tell me this doesn't look like an album cover for the worst boy band ever
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tell me this doesn't look like an album cover for the worst boy band ever
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.8.2021. 23:53
"The Smiths"?
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Tbh I was too busy looking at her to appreciate the rest of the materials properly.
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SolivagantX 6.8.2021. 0:00
I uploaded some more versions of the reloaded posters. tried to keep the old ones since the ones I found were a bit retouched
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Manic Velocity 6.8.2021. 0:52
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I need to find a high-res version of that photo. My google fu is weak. (edited)
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I uploaded some more versions of the reloaded posters. tried to keep the old ones since the ones I found were a bit retouched
Why so many doubles
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SolivagantX 6.8.2021. 0:54
Ah was just unsure which ones to keep
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Should keep the higher res (edited)
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Yeah that makes sense. Or just the ones that looks the coolest. Some of them have different filters it seems
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SolivagantX 6.8.2021. 0:58
Yeah they were from a forum with a few retouches
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reading a fan review of Revolutions from 2003 and I have to share
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"the beginning. this is where most everything begins" killed me
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nice corrupted video
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Has anybody read the Third Eye by Sophia Stewart? I feel like writing an article to disprove all the BS she’s been saying for years
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The conspiracy might always float around the internet as all conspiracies do, but this is an easy one to terminate.
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most of the "book" is court documents what
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Yeah but the beginning of the book is a bunch of bad Sci Fi and my curiosity always gets the better of me
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For 10 years, the story of Sophia Stewart winning a court case against the Wachowski brothers for basing "The Matrix" off of her copyrighted screen treatment has continuously cropped up on the web, but court documents show the story is little more than a longstanding viral hoax.
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For those interested
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A zombie lawsuit that was dismissed in 2004 continues to be touted as an ongoing court case or an underdog victory.
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Thanks to @SolivagantX we've added a loooot of cool and rare concept art/storyboards from the movies to the drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bUUotQn8IxegqLIqwxfuswyu4NcKrbYs
astro_icecream🍦 6.8.2021. 12:57
This concept art is awesome! Thanks for uploading it.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Tbh I was too busy looking at her to appreciate the rest of the materials properly.
Look at the size of those grapes!
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I mean the grapes literally.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 6.8.2021. 13:35
Yes, the grapes certainly are something.
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Ouranos
Has anybody read the Third Eye by Sophia Stewart? I feel like writing an article to disprove all the BS she’s been saying for years
Manic Velocity 6.8.2021. 16:49
Why give her the attention?
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I still read a lot of people thinking she's in the right everytime the Matrix is mentioned anywhere
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Manic Velocity 6.8.2021. 16:50
MarkdownContext { Depth = 1 }
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and I find the subject interesting not just from her POV but others like her
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so it wouldn't be just about her
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 16:52
Eh, I haven't heard about the gritty details about her lawsuit but honestly, The Matrix as a concept in of itself is nothing new.
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Baudrillard could sue
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 16:52
I mean 1984 present a government that controls the "reality" that it's citizens live in and only a select few could see what was really going on.
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but from what I understand her "book" isn't even close to the matrix or terminator like she claims
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she's not even the only one to claim the matrix was stolen
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It appears writer Thomas Althouse took the red pill this week, or rather was force-fed a red pill and told to go on about his day. Last year, Althouse took Warner Bros., Andy and Lana Wachowski, and Joel Silver to court, alleging the filmmaking siblings ripped off his unproduced screenplay The Immortals with The Matrix … Continue reading "The Ma...
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that headline haha
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 16:55
It happens with every major franchise. Even Rowling got sued by random weirdos saying she stole Harry Potter from them.
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I'm sure George Lucas was sued for the same thing with Star Wars
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I remember there was a case against Alien
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but The Matrix one with Sophia is famous because a lot of articles claims she won
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so people roll with it
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Sure she did...2.5billion yeah
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Meanwhile PayPal her 20$ ok thanks
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 16:58
lol
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haha
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 16:58
All I have are pocket lints
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she should make a documentary with Marcus Chong
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 17:04
LOL
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 6.8.2021. 17:13
Her: they stole my idea! Most hero stories: the world is not what it seems and is run by a corrupt authority that decides everything. A chosen hero rises and bands together with a small crew to save the world. There is drama, betrayal.
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she should make a documentary with Marcus Chong
Already is one on Youtube. What a weirdo
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Ah, my reading comprehension skills need some work 😬
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I just wanna watch 'Jesus vs. The Nazis'
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Or spruce it up a bit, 'Jesus vs. The Space Nazis'
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Metalogic 6.8.2021. 19:46
I love that scene because Tim Curry is just trying so hard to maintain his composure.
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I love that scene because Tim Curry is just trying so hard to maintain his composure.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 6.8.2021. 20:05
The best thing is, out of all takes they tried (who knows how many), this one was deemed the best. 😄
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The Command and Conquer live action cinematics have always been over flowing with cheese lol
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CorruptedRSI 6.8.2021. 20:59
RA2 Tanya was my first vidya waifu
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I remember RA3 not being as good with the cheese and cutscenes though
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Wasn't that the one with the Japanese mecha bases?
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yeah, RA3 was Allies vs Soviets vs Japan
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CorruptedRSI 6.8.2021. 21:09
Oh man I just remembered Yuri.
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that was RA2 expansion, Yuri's Revenge
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CorruptedRSI 6.8.2021. 21:10
Yeah
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SolivagantX 6.8.2021. 21:12
the intro to RA2 is burned into my brain
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plus its got the dad from Twin Peaks
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I put soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many hours into Red Alert 2 when I was a kid
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I put soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many hours into Red Alert 2 when I was a kid
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CorruptedRSI 6.8.2021. 21:15
Same. Was my first pc game on my old shitty pentium 2
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SolivagantX 6.8.2021. 21:20
the allied pylon columns were great
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and the associated tanks
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SolivagantX 6.8.2021. 21:21
"is it done?" "no comrade premier, it has only begun." cue hell march 2
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CorruptedRSI 6.8.2021. 21:23
Kirov, reporting
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I need to know why Neo is in club hel.
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astro_icecream🍦 7.8.2021. 7:05
I betting that the restaurant in Reloaded was originally club Hel, too.
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SolivagantX 7.8.2021. 7:22
“May I ask that I be released?”
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That was a thought, but the earliest info I can find on Reloaded has the first meeting happen in his mansion. I’m tempted to think this piece is just misplaced but there’s another image with Morpheus and the Merv, with Merv sitting in that same chair
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It could be it moved from his mansion, to hel, then to the restaurant. Which is funny because the script describes the building they enter into as being a stock exchange (edited)
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But then there’s some early description of the restaurant that hadn’t been edited…
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astro_icecream🍦 7.8.2021. 21:37
I've never seen the Reloaded script. Is it online?
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The Matrix Reloaded screenplay by Andy & Larry Wachowski from The Source for Horror and Suspense Scripts and Screenplays on the Internet - Read them On Line - Free!
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Revolutions is also on there along with a few drafts of M1 I believe
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I'll add them to the drive
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Yeah they have 96 and 97 on there for m1
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astro_icecream🍦 8.8.2021. 2:05
Cool! Thanks, dude. I've only seen the final versions for m1 and Revs
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Deleted User 9.8.2021. 11:46
It feels like we're never going to have a teaser trailer 😥
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 11:50
trilogy recently put available on netflix and amazon prime (uk at least) shows they're doing some moves
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maybe they're waiting for max dune hype first
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or they're ashamed of the movie and have no idea how to promote it
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 12:38
as a Snyder fan I'm used to WB being useless
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Deleted User 9.8.2021. 13:14
It's making me feel sad that we've not gotten a teaser
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Like I'm feeling a little left out
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I know it's going to be worth the wait but still, so close to it's release date and not even a teaser, I'm feeling sad
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Like I'm feeling a little left out
Dude, you’re a Matrix fan. You’re not used to it?!
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I feel shat upon since 2005. Forgotten since 2008. (edited)
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Dude, you’re a Matrix fan. You’re not used to it?!
In fact, at this stage, we seem to prefer it that way.
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Dude, you’re a Matrix fan. You’re not used to it?!
Deleted User 9.8.2021. 16:12
I guess, I'm just having a down day today. I suffered from severe anxiety since 2013 and I suppose I'm having a bad day today
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It’s all good, buddy! I prefer to steer into the negativity around our beloved franchise . It’s like a gang initiation. Anyone that makes it to this discord is a brother to me
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It’s all good, buddy! I prefer to steer into the negativity around our beloved franchise . It’s like a gang initiation. Anyone that makes it to this discord is a brother to me
Deleted User 9.8.2021. 17:00
Thanks, mate, I really appreciate that. I am sure we'll receive something soon, perhaps, I need a holiday
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I hope they reveal something cryptic and solving a cipher will reveal a link to a title announcement or teaser poster or trailer.
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I would sit on that for a week or so
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Release a reaction video before telling anyone
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 17:16
I'm 50% 50% on like, do I want to see a trailer at all
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or go in fully blind
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this is due to my intense hype for Revolutions leading me to click on forums with SPOILERS before I saw revolutions.. just the major deaths and all. I was able to make my peace with it over time though so all good now
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:17
Tbh I'm usually in the "I don't want a trailer" crowd, but this time I kinda need to be reassured before going into it. At least a teaser, just something that shows me that this isn't a cash grab, it's made with soul and heart
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I hope I had read spoilers letting me know Revolutions was terrible
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:17
Rev's mistake was being a separate film
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Had it been a 5 hour long movie with Reloaded, it would have been fine
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Oh that’s not the only mistake
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:19
If you're talking about the hour long Zion mecha fight, it would have been seriously trimmed down if it had been one movie with 2 I think.
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No need to pad out the run time needlessly.
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:26
Most of the fight scene in Reloaded and Revolutions need to be trimmed down.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:26
Not the highway scene though, that one is perfect.
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Chateau as well
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:27
Ehh
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Honestly I have a hard time calling them fight scenes, they were more coordinated than The Nutcracker.
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he is still... only human
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:28
I was rewatching them for the 200th time last week, and it's amazing how you can see everything about the choregraphy in every scene. No cuts, the camera just sits there and lets you watch the action
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So few movies like that today, with 50 cuts in 10 seconds and shaky cam all over the place
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Sometimes i wonder why action movies are so boring today, I think that's a big part of it. Can't see anything.
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The Seraph fight is by far the worst when it comes to that
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:30
Haha I don't even need to watch it I remember exactly what you mean
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Is that a criticism you have for the first one as well, or only the sequels? Just curious
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And is it really the length of them or the choreography themselves? Because Mike obviously hated the choreography as a whole in the prequels.
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:33
I think in Rel and Rev, it's both. It's the length and the cold emotionless Choreography.
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Neo seems bored by the fights. Even when he's fighting Smith who's supposed to be his equal, his opposite.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:34
Yeah I was about to say that
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It's mainly Neo
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Even Johnson looks like he's enjoying the fights. Morpheus as well, same with Smith. But Neo and Seraph are just so.... lifeless.
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:35
Well Seraph I can kind of excuse, he's an exiled program.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:35
Exactly, but then again Johnson and Smith are as well and they're way more expressive when fighting.
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:35
But for someone who's supposed to be "See, he's only a man" he doesn't act like it.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:36
Agreed. That I get 100%.
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:36
I mean The Merovingian (another exiled program) has more emotions in the fight scene.
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"You know, your predecessors had much more respect." snap fingers
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:37
Ok... you have some skills.
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Have we considered that maybe he really is bored?
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:37
Is that Neo though, or Keanu? Because let's be honest, the guy never had much range, as much as I like him.
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I have a hard time imagining Will Smith being that cold and emotionless had he played the part (theoretical question, no way am I saying will > keanu)
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Just, he's the "woah.." guy. All the time
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Keanu’s capable of emotion. M1’s actions scenes are full of it. Smith in the subway,Morpheus in training
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what are you talking about, will smith in wild wild west is perfect
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:39
I think another issue is that the fight scenes in Rel and Rev don't really add anything to the story. They're just 10-15 minute intervention in between the scenes that actually matter.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:40
Hmmm, okay, I can understand that point
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Metalogic 9.8.2021. 18:40
Personally I want to know how much the Choreograph director paid WB and the Wachowski sister to put so much emotionless and boring fight scenes in.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:40
Like, "this is the Matrix, obviously we need big action scenes" without there being really any reason for them.
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 18:41
they are the fight of ideas, solipsism vs materialism...
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nah I get your criticisms
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im in the "its all perfect" camp but I see your points
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:42
I love everything about the highway scene though, it's my guilty pleasure. Never get tired of it.
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Ironically, it's the only long fight scene that doesn't involve Neo
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 18:43
during the long fight scenes Im vibing, feeling every coreographed punch and throw
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:44
Same. And jamming to the tracks
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Honestly I’d throw blame at the sisters. Reason Neo looks so distant probably has a lot to do with them directing Keanu to play the part of a Buddha. So he can’t convey anything because he’s supposed to be lacking all that. Also gonna argue his wardrobe doesn’t make this any better. He looks like a priest and that coat being so tight around him except the tails does nothing vs the duster from lobby flowing around like a cape
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:45
Never liked his outfit in 2/3 either. I also don't like how Trin looks stuck in a tight garbage bag with the super slicked back hair, compared to her M1 look.
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This is so much better than what she wears in the sequels
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Morpheus on point throughout the trilogy. Brother knew how to dress. (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:47
Oh yeah
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GREEN and PURPLE yeah
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 18:47
damn here I am loving the clerical garb 😮
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Fucking right green and purple.
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 18:47
and the androgynous look for Trinity
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I like Neo’s look when he’s standing. I hate it in motion. (edited)
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is it because its 3d animated ?
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it looks pretty bad for cg smoothness
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 18:48
On that note the CG really aged badly, holy cow
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It's so jarring
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The worst offender is the slowmo cartoony face punch on Smith at the end of 3
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How did that get in the movie
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 18:50
I find it pretty good for the era
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It's more that they pushed it way past the line of what was reasonable at the time. I understand it was intentional - same thing as the bowling sounds during the Burly Brawl.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:03
Yeah that too
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Odd little things here and there that you're just baffled as to why they thought it was a good idea.
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Bit of joviality in an otherwise serious flick, me thinks.
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Watch the films with the mindset of the times they were made, you goobers :p
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:05
Dude I'm not hating, I love those movies to death. And i remember the slowmo punching smith in 3 being jarring in 2003 as well.
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I have a hard time finding a time period where it would have made sense with the tone of the movies.
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I mean in the same era we got LOTR that was a thousand times better looking
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:07
I don't just mean the CG itself; WHY put a slow mo cartoon punching Smith scene where his face turns to jell-o. WHY exaggerate it that much.
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Even if it was made with today's CG, I would still wonder why that's in.
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Damn that was the only cool thing in Revolutions
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:08
Hahaha that's not true.
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One moment where they just had fun
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:08
Yeah but that's it, you just said it. One moment they just had fun
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At the very CLIMAX of the movie
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Why? Well the Wach's were heavily influenced by the mangas and the animoos from Nippon (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:08
Wrongest place ever
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The Ws were influenced by basically everything. George Lucas and Tarantino ain’t got nothing on them.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:09
Ghost in the Shell mainly iirc
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Still a great movie btw
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Mainly the Bible tbh
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The thing that always struck me, for some goddamn reason, was Smith's white collar in the rain.
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It looked so beautiful.
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I dont know why it stuck with me someone help
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Hugo had to wear a wig for those scenes
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:10
A wig, really?
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Yeah so his hair would not just disappear on his head in the rain and stayed consistant
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That’s when Hugo noticed he was going bald
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:11
Haha oh boy didn't know that
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Yes, he mentions that during one of the DVD specials
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 19:11
agent
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:12
Gray had the Vegeta receding hairline.
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when they made head/masks for the extras he said he didnt think of his hair being so receding
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Bald? Vagaries of perception, Mister Uranus
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 19:12
Thats gotta be a serious thing seeing all these clones of you
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Does he still have hair? Dude was going bald long before 99
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its hollywood, you can have any hairline you want
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not sure about real life
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 19:13
Lookin’ good
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:14
Aw, man it's a shame he's not coming back.
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Look at Tom Hiddlstons hairline in the various movies and the Disney show (edited)
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(Loki Obv)
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sometimes hes clearly got a wig, others no
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Hiddleston is just wearin a lot of wigs from I understand
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I think not during the series
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but who knows lol
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 19:15
Tom Hiddleston as a young Smith in the apocryphal post Wachowskis matrix materiel
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If that’s his real hair then good for him. 10/10 hair tbh
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:15
"young Smith" is such a contradiction
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Groff is gonna be a great agent (I think)
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Time will tell! Pulling off at least a Smith voice would go a long way
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Wish they would bring back Mind Hunter, he was top shelf in that
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:17
I would have digged a disney style hugo weaving de-aged Smith so much. Like they're all older but him, Merv, Johnson and the other programs are all still exactly the same.
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I think he’s gonna be from a new generation of agent where they’re less MIB and more “humans” a bit like Pace
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He would kill in a role like that
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I sincerely hope you are wrong
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I mean I don’t want more of the same
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Agents have been done to death
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Could happen in the not-so-distant future, @CorruptedRSI , what with deepfakes coming such a long way in a relatively short timeframe.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:18
Done to death? They spent half 2 getting killed off and absent in 3.
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they represent oppression, not reasonable guys
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For the people Smith is an agent
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:18
Agents have really only been a thing in 1 and the highway scene
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Yeah but it’s trice times
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Truce
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Less oppression
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Peace on earth
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:18
Well... we don't know that yet
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Agents do not equal oppression..well, imo (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:19
And let's not talk spoilers here
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No spoilers here I don’t read leaks
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SolivagantX 9.8.2021. 19:19
Cant wait until after the movie is out
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So many years waiting for that moment
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:19
For all we know, Lana could make MxO canon and go from there
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MxO is canon and all our characters will be played by hollywood celebs.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:20
Dibs on Gosling
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Agents do not equal oppression..well, imo (edited)
They literally do in the first movie
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I have dibs on Anya Taylor Joy.
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haha good call
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although she seems like she'd be a scowley girlfriend
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Watch the films with the mindset of the times they were made, you goobers :p
Considering I watched them when they came out.. >.>
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They literally do in the first movie
I can see your point, they do in the first sure, but thats a Zionist viewpoint in my opinion.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:23
I always thought it was weird how the main Agent of the trio always seems to have more personality than the other two.
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They exist be make sure everyone is toeing the line, with punishemnt if they step out of line
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:24
The other two are always just blank robots.
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Maybe more autonomy is needed in order to lead?
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also, I type badly so yeah
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:24
Maybe. I mean it has to be by design. Smith obviously was designed that way, was never sure for Johnson if he was supposed to enjoy himself that much.
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lol
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Smith was going to be the villian in the movie, from a story standpoint, they had to give him more character
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:25
(by designed, I mean by the Watchowskis, not 01)
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Yeah, exactly.
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But Johnson should have been a blank Agent, like Jones/Brown
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Yet he's super cocky and enjoying his job too much
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Technically speaking Johnson was an upgrade, so maybe that was a part of it. Smith, imo, was the way he was because of contact with Neo. Though this might be better spoken aboot in the lore channel (edited)
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:26
It has to be a Agent leader quirk thing. Opposite of Smith, he hated his job, but they both had personalities unlike the other ones.
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Right, but Jackson/Thomson were upgrades as well, and they're as blank as Jones/Brown
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True! I mean as fans we get pretty nitpicky about ephemera I guess
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Read into things for the fun of it 🙂
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:28
I just find it fascinating that 01 would allow the main agent to develop/have a personality, considering it could lead to him exiling himself if he ever needs deletion.
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hard to hate a robot
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:28
With the power they have in the Matrix, you don't want Merv to have an agent on hand
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(if we don't count Seraph)
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See thats the thing, I dont think 01 has complete and utter control of the Matrix or the goings-on therein
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Having a creative edge is a boon in trying to suppress Red Pills.
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But, yes, considering just how complicated the Matrix is, I doubt the Machines have absolute control.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:30
Right. But Agents are literally their "anti-virus" program. If they have personality quirks, at least that must be by design.
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Even if some other parts of the Matrix is beyond their absolute control, Agents have to be
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Considering their role and abilities
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the Agents in Reloaded were robotic, lacking any personality as far as I remember
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We didn't see them in a role where personality might show.
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maybe
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the fight with Neo might have had some moments
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:34
Not Johnson. The guy obviously loves his job
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Look at how he smirks, grins, gets angry when fighting on the highway
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The other two, nope. Nothing. Blank state
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The storyline wasnt about agents at that point, so they didnt need real personality traits (edited)
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Mean dudes is all they had to be
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:38
Don't know about that. the Wachowskis seems to plan pretty much everything in those movies, everything was there for some reason or another. We've seen a total of six Agents, four of them were blank states, emotionless. The two leaders had personality quirks. Has to be a thing, wouldn't happen by mistake.
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The agents became irrelevant after the first movie, once Neo was able to defeat them. The following movies moved past them as villians, and expanded Neo's role, and the storyline from "agents hold all the keys" to "the prophecy will be fulfilled when we bring down the machines"
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:44
Not sure what your point is, but it's fine. I just find 01 fascinating. Like, why let the Merovigian and his entourage live in the Matrix for, what, 8 iterations minimum when you know he's there and sabotaging your programs all the time. Is there open conflict between them? The movies never states, but you'd figure 01 would want him deleted as much as redpills.
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Or is he tolerated because he's another form of control in a weird way
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Perhaps they (the Machines & Exiles) have a truce.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 19:57
Or Merv blackmailed 01. "I'll crash your fucking system if I see an Agent get too close".
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Je vais faire planter ton putain de système, hon hi hon hi hon (edited)
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Well, it's a truce of sorts.
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B4nH4mm3r plays 9.8.2021. 20:00
having the exiles under one leader keeps them under control, imagine if they were small packs of Exiles with multiple conflicting plans
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the chaos
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01 knows how this program thinks
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:02
So, quid pro quo? 01 lets him operate, but in return I guess there are lines he's not allowed to cross? (edited)
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B4nH4mm3r plays 9.8.2021. 20:03
i would guess 01 can mitigate the damage done
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we need a previous version of the matrix
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Also the exiles don't really have a choice
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if they want to exile they have to work for or with Merv (edited)
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cause and effect
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Even nice exiles like Rama Kandra had to go through big Merv
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B4nH4mm3r plays 9.8.2021. 20:07
isn't that for protection?
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yeah like the mafia
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:07
Yep
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He's the go to guy if you need to smuggle something or a program in the Matrix.
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but I do wonder if he gets raided by agents every once in a while
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B4nH4mm3r plays 9.8.2021. 20:08
he's from the first itieration right
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he's pretty easy to find inside the matrix
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:08
Exactly
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maybe he always find out when they're coming because it's his business to know and just waits in mobil av
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:08
I'm guessing he must have a deal with 01. Maybe he feeds them intel, in return he's allow to operate within boundaries.
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That would get old fast however
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I bet he evaded Smith like that
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:09
If Seraph, Morph and Trin can find him in like 2 seconds in a big club, Agents know he's there too
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him Persephone and Trainman are probably the only programs inside the matrix to survive smith
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:10
For sure they weren't in the Matrix when Smith got everyone, they train'ed out of there into another construct/system somewhere
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Yeah and if he's not as his club, try his restaurant or huge chateau
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He must know something about the architect
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he's got dirt on him
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maybe he's blackmailing the architect haha
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:11
Architect or 01/Deus Ex directly. He strong armed them.
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B4nH4mm3r plays 9.8.2021. 20:11
shutdown codes?
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:11
I can crash X system if you come near me
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well he's not THAT powerful or else the Oracle would be gone a while ago
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:11
OOH
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Maybe he has Agent kill codes
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We know he's good at that.
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the only two programs with kill codes as far as I know were Rama and the Assassin
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I wonder what was Rama's purpose before Rev
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we know the assassin was basically a garbage compactor
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:13
Well no, he has kill codes for his lupines
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silver bullets
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Even we had that in MxO
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:14
Yeah, but movies only, we do see silver bullets killing lupines. So even if MxO is non-canon, it's movie canon that he makes kill codes for his men
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or they're kill codes from the hellish matrix that he just took with him
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:16
True, could be.
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I don't see him as a kill code creator
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more of a collector
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it's his job to get everything rare and dangerous
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:18
My thinking is that Merv probably isn't a physically impressive program. I don't think he's as strong as his men in combat, he doesn't strike me as a fighter. So there has to be a way to keep his men under control, all of them, including Seraph back when he was with him. And we know Seraph is even more of threat than an Agent.
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So him finding a way to make kill codes (or have someone make them for him) makes sense to me
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Merv is like The Oracle or The Architect or The Keymaker they're probably not great fighters (edited)
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but are pretty tough to kill
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He was scared by Trinity's gun
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and Niobe's sword
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:20
For other reasons than physical strength, yeah. We know Merv isn't really elusive like the Architect and Oracle (with the aforementioned giant manor in the mountains, a big club, a fancy high rise restaurant, etc).
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so maybe not that tough to kill
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:20
So his strength would be connections, his men, etc.
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Yeah he's power incarnated
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:21
Yep.
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he doesn't need to do anything
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:21
But you gotta keep those men under control, loyal. Can't risk one of them stabbing you in the back
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he's very capitalist that merv
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CorruptedRSI
But you gotta keep those men under control, loyal. Can't risk one of them stabbing you in the back
Presumably a network of agents that are under his stead - favors owed, exchanged and so on. A power broker of the highest calibre, such that should someone cross him - they will be dealt with. He certainly knows people that know people.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:23
He probably knows those people directly as well lol
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Everyone worth knowing
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He's had how many centuries to build the network?
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:23
We have no idea
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Never confirmed how much time actually went on since the War
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We don't even know how long a cycle lasts before the One being chosen
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Could be 100 years, or 1000 years.
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His wife will betray him for a kiss so he may not control everything haha
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:24
Well not really betray, it was a game, just a game 🙂
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She knows he'll be fine. He'll lose a few lupines, so what
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She's still by his side in 3. She a bored housewife
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She's the Seraph of kissing. She needs to kiss someone to know someone.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:25
The married succubus who's just bored of the family life
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Could be 100 years, or 1000 years.
The implication I got was about a hundred per cycle.
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Yeah I would have loved to know more because the whole Persephone/Hades thing is very interesting
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What we have is just a sad rich housewife
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Ouranos
His wife will betray him for a kiss so he may not control everything haha
That woman being under control? Impossible.
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Guided, sure - directed, even, whilst she's entertained by the direction... but controlled? I think not.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:29
Agreed
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To be his wife, she must be one hell of a program
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Like top tier in some way
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Personally, I think they left the Machines together. Which is part of why he's fond enough of Sati to let her in.
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I think she was a program made to mimic human love
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or at least study it
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and maybe it's Merv and Persephone's love affair that made them exile in the first place
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he took her with him to hell
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Ouranos
and maybe it's Merv and Persephone's love affair that made them exile in the first place
Yeah, that's what it feels like.
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she was a lover he was an operating system
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I dunno if it's as far as "took her with" but rather she joined him going to hell.
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well I'm just thinking in terms of greek mythology when I say took
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maybe he kidnapped her we don't know haha
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That's possible, too - though I don't think it was unwilling. Just that the love has grown stale by the time we meet her.
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Persephone was courted by all the gods until Hades stole her and made her his queen
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:38
Discussions like these is why I love Matrix fans
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it's too bad that MxO didn't really help when it comes to that. Persephone was rarely seen in the game
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:40
Yeah, she was in a few cutscenes and like, one or two merv missions?
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Almost never in live events, at least that I,ve seen
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Ouranos
Persephone was courted by all the gods until Hades stole her and made her his queen
Yeah, and the Merv is a stand-in for Hades archetypes. Perhaps I'm a bit too much of a romantic, but I fancy them breaking away as a pair together. Just this frantic flight of fancy mixed with youthful exuberance. (edited)
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I always believed that Persy is originally a program that research human emotion that was used to create a matrix that seem "more real" to human psyche
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and love was her focus
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Ouranos
I always believed that Persy is originally a program that research human emotion that was used to create a matrix that seem "more real" to human psyche
Though, unequivocally, I concur with this assessment.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:42
Don't forget though, if we go by mxo canon, Seraph was in the first Matrix as well. So those three would be the oldest exiles, not just the two
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so she's probably from the first matrix
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:43
Succubi from the 2nd Matrix might have been based on Persephone's research, or whatever she learned during that time
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or she was from the second matrix because the machines saw that it would fail so they implemented a program like her to better understand humans
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she met Merv
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he stole her/they exiled
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:44
I prefer the first matrix theory for her I think
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As it was immaculate, yeah.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:44
Plus Monica Bellucci is perfect, makes sense she would be a program in the Paradise Matrix :x
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That's the hill I'll die on, fight me!
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lol
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As it was immaculate, yeah.
And Persephone, well, I think we agree that she certainly takes the prize.
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Yeah but she seems very hell like to me
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A temptress with a wicked sense of fun.
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but it also makes sense because the other Persephone was stolen from the gods
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Though, that could have been learned, too.
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so now we know what Merv and Persephone are. Next time we'll talk about Rama Kandra.
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Machine helpdesk agent. JK, of course.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:48
I'd really love more movies that delve into side characters from the original, not following Neo. Like a 1st/2nd Matrix movie with Merv, Persephone and Seraph would be amazing
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Kamala is an 'interactive' program that's all we know
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:48
The potential to make incredibly different stories is huge
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I think Rama was something like recycling manager and The Assassin worked under him
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I'd really love more movies that delve into side characters from the original, not following Neo. Like a 1st/2nd Matrix movie with Merv, Persephone and Seraph would be amazing
NGL, that was the hope that Matrix would turn into this huge franchise. But after the reception of the third ... and what happened with MxO.. well. Yeah.
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well maybe it can happen this time
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:49
It all depends on 4 now. It will either be the start of this new big thing, or die a second death.
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Maybe, but I'm also not holding my breath, either.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:50
Especially today with streaming. It would be so easy to release tv shows and movies now without having to go through theatres
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Lower budget, good writing
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(Points, hype - same thing. XD)
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that scene is so bad
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:50
Is it?
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I adore it.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:50
I never disliked it. Why?
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"let's have another philosophical 10 minute conversation with a character we'll never see again let's not be subtle about it at all"
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hamfisted, that's the word right? I'm losing my english haha
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:51
Can't the same be said like 10 times during the franchise?
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during Reloaded mostly
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in the first one it was perfectly incorporated with the plot
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Ehhhhhhhh
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Well, I liked it. XD
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in revolutions it's only the Rama Kandra one
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but Reloaded omg it's non stop
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:53
I liked it too, never bothered me. I mean you need to show Zion a little bit at least. Cut these people out of the movie and you're literally fighting for nothing.
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I also adored Reloaded's rambly bit so...
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:54
At least now we know what Zion's head council member thinks about everything, his stance, his point of view
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Contrast that to Lock, I think that was the point
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He's more nuanced
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it could have been better handled it's "a fight scene with no stakes followed by philosophical dialogue for 10 min and repeat"
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I like the movie because I love the lore
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The philosophy was more digestible in the original.
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but it's very badly written at times
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and I love the architect scene that's not my problem with it
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:55
Maybe. I'm not willing to die on the hill defending the movie's writing, but I loved it despite the flaws and clumsiness
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hey it's ok to love a bad movie
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I love rocky 4
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:55
Ok I would not go as far as calling Reloaded a "bad movie" though x)
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yeah Revolutions is bad, Reloaded is fun like a video game with philsophical cut scenes in between
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but it's not for everybody
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(and I'm saying all this with all the love in the world)
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Just gonna point out M1 does nothing with its cave allegory or Descartes where as M2 and M3 actually tackle and address the free Will discussions.
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 20:59
M1 just proposes a philosophy, 2/3 tear it the fuck down
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While 1 is the better movie, 2/3 are probably those fans still discuss the most 20 years later
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So much meat around the bone
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I mean that the philosophical scenes were better incorporated in the movie
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I never said the ideas were better or not
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:01
So it gets massive points for me for that. Sure, writing is clumsier, sure action scenes are more over the top, sure pacing is all over the place. But what it does do is fantastic
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sure the sequel brings a lot of ideas but the way they're presented doesn't work
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:01
Doesn't work as good as it should have*
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I don't stand by doesn't work at all
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sure
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:01
That I can agree with
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I wouldn't be here talking about them if it didn't work at all haha
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:02
For sure. I mean, dudes, 2003 since the last one. We're 2021
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Here we are still talking about it
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for exemple the way Morpheus introduces the concept of the matrix and the real world to Neo
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the way it's shot with the voice over and how it ends with the battery
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:02
10/10
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that's better than sitting with Merv talking about causality
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show don't tell
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:03
No argument from me there
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Merv cake though
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I think we would all love to rewrite the sequels to our liking
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but we would never rewrite the first one
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:05
I'm not good enough a writer to improve them by much, wouldn't know where to start, I don't think I have the imagination for it
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Patrick H Willems made a great video about rewriting the sequels actually (edited)
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it has its flaws but it's very good and respectful to the Ws
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:05
Never saw it
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Keeping the same plot points though?
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yes
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 21:07
I,ll give it a look thanks
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Digging it so far
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CorruptedRSI 9.8.2021. 22:09
Finished it. Loved half of it, not so much the other half. His Reloaded is better than the one we got for sure, I like how the pacing is tighter, start at Zion right away, meeting in Zion, then go to the Matrix. Having final flight of the Osiris in the movie would be great. And I love the Chateau scene appearing in another construct where Neo is vulnerable. That's cool. Him dying, not sure it's the right choice though, but fair enough, I get his point. As for Revolutions, meh.. The changes he brings are too little, it's too much of the same movie just in another order, I don't think he really fixed anything about it, and he seemed to have completely missed the point of the Oracle throughout. (edited)
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But I'm definitely behind him saying Trin and Morpheus are wasted in 3, and that it should be improved. I just don't think he managed to do it.
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Though personally, if I could bring one change to his Reloaded, I would instead put The Kid's awakening as the prologue for the movie. A quick 10 minute section that reintroduces you to the bluepills being saved, put Neo in it as a God figure fighting Agents, then have a subtle timeskip (mentioned later when we see the kid again) and go to the Osiris.
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Title in between both sections.
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But just swapping Kid and Mifune's roles for Morpheus and Lock, I don't know man. I think that's kinda cheap. Kid still has to build up to something otherwise he has no point in the movies.
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Same with Trin just taking Link's wife's role. Just kinda screams "I don't know what to do with them either so let's just cut some other characters and put them instead".
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If anything, if we went with showing the Kid's awakening in the first part of the second movie, I would bump him up as one of the main characters. Have him be on the Neb, be present during the Chateau and highway scene. A new crew member for the ship instead of just being a 3 man squad. So by the time we see him defend the city in a mech, he's not some literal Who? that we barely saw at all. (edited)
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He could even be a sort of narrator. Not audio, but in the sense that we see part of the story through his eyes. He idolizes Neo, so when we see Neo fight so well it's kind of biased to his perspective. And when he gets defeated in the construct Chateau, that illusion sort of shatters for him too. Character arc of his own and all, believing less in Neo and more in himself, in line with the "you freed yourself" line.
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Anyway that's my take on it. Good video overall.
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SolivagantX 10.8.2021. 0:06
I wouldnt touch anything in the sequels
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It is what it is
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some bullet time would have been cool, instead of a ton of CG that wasn't good enough to do what they tried to do with it
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I keep hearing 'didn't age well' but I slumped in my seat in the theater with the full CG human stuff
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Took me right out of the movie
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The bullet time stuff from the first flick looked pretty amazing
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But it wasn't just the CG, it was the cheesy fight music (burly brawl), the kinda hokey action movie vibe, all that. Like everyone else I love the movies by picking out my favorite bits because it's The Matrix
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:11
I would love to see more of the agents dodging bullets. That's all I'm gonna say. 😄
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SolivagantX 10.8.2021. 0:12
Reloaded for me
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Pure bliss
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The highway chase was pretty damn epic
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:13
Hell yeah.
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My favorite moment was these couple seconds Morpheus and The Twin cooperating vs the Agent.
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And then going back to their shit.
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Glad we get Daniel Bernhardt back as Johnson, speaking of highway fights. Cool to see him in the Wick flicks, and Nobody
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:14
Yeah, this guy is badass
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His part as a trainer in Nobody was apparently much bigger than his part in the film
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Wonder if it's like that with Wick as well
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Future War ftw
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:18
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Agent Johnson vs. The Dinosaurs (and Robert Z'Dar in a cyborg outfit) (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:20
How about Agent Johnson vs Aliens
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😄
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Skylines
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I haven't seen Skylines, gotta find that one
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:20
Me neither.
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But seen Skyline, never knew there was continuation.
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Apparently came out last year
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Fortunately Future War is an MST3K episode so you don't have to watch it by itself
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:21
Defo gonna watch Future War.
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FUTURE WAR (1997) Directed by : Anthoyn Doublin Screenplay : Dom Magwili Starring : Daniel Bernhardt, Travis Brooks Stewart & Rob...
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:25
Damn, how amazing was Morpheus holding against Agent Johnson on the highway
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SolivagantX 10.8.2021. 0:31
I understand the desire to rewrite / improve, but to me these movies taught me you dont need to follow a formula or explain things in a certain way. So to think of them in any other shape is an alien thought to me! Because their shape is unique to me, where else will I get my causality discourse followed by a coreographed fight wrecking apart statues of the Merovingian, in front of a painting that symbolizes the struggle between man and machine?
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:34
Johnson was amazing, I'm hyped he's confirmed to be in 4. Loved when the actor popped up in John Wick as well
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Yeah there's no rewriting the sequels. The original was a huge success, the studio stepped in hard, there wasn't nearly as much time to flesh these things out as there was for the first one, and what we got was what we got. A mix of good stuff and super generic action movie stuff with a Matrix flavor. And some in the middle, like the highway chase, which was epic.
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:34
Neo vs Johnson pt2
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Great characters too, like the Twins and Merv
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Johnson was amazing, I'm hyped he's confirmed to be in 4. Loved when the actor popped up in John Wick as well
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:36
I'm gonna confess, my most frequently replayed scene is Agent Johnson dodging bullets. 😄
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:37
On the car's hood?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:37
Yea
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:37
That guy is enjoying himself so much. Agent is having fun
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That shit eating grin he's got on his face the whole fight
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Gotta enjoy your function
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SolivagantX 10.8.2021. 0:37
Indulgent
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:37
Huh, Smith?
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B4nH4mm3r plays 10.8.2021. 0:37
I was PROGRAMMED for this!
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:37
Gotta love your job, Smith.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:37
Yeah, I'm watching it at 0.25 speed to analyze the whole thing 😄
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SolivagantX 10.8.2021. 0:38
The movie is Merv’s cake
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:38
He's really enjoying being dodgy fuck 😄
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The way he says 'DUH-LEESHIN' says 'I enjoy my job' lol
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SolivagantX 10.8.2021. 0:38
Ahah
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Very happy to delete the keymaker
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:38
Deletion is such a polite way to say "snap your neck"/"put a bullet in your brain".
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"We know a guy who can fix ya door"
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:39
Will Johnson get another upgrade in M4?
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I want to see him kick some ass
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Maybe he does Tai Chi now
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:39
I hope it's not just one scene where they bump into him, say "..you!" and proceed to kick his ass
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If he's in the movie, I want him to be a threat
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:39
I was really disappointed by him vs Neo fight being so short.
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:39
Agent, Exile, whatever. Still Agent level tough to beat
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It would be interesting if he's an exile though. No spoilers please, I'm just saying.
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Unlike Smith, a legit Agent exile. Can he still transport into blue pills or not?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:41
Why would he be an exile? He was enjoying his job and was somewhat good at it. Just need more upgrades code_frag_02
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I’d assume no.
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But I’ve got no reason for it
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:41
No idea mate, he's in the movie, Neo and Trin are old as fuck, etc
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Who knows how it'll play out
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:42
Rooting for Johnson to win in M4 breathtaking
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:42
Plot twist. He's an exile, they have to work with him against whatever. Like working side by side with an ex agent. That'd be a twist.
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But I still want a rematch
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I'd perfectly fine with another agent trio though. Just hyped that he's back
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Or there are somehow killer dinosaurs from the future, and Johnson has to fight them
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:44
There's definitely gonna be aliens.
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Alien dinosaurs
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Or aliens & dinosaurs
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Lana has to pull out the big guns
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:45
Dinosaurs brought by aliens?
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 0:45
Look at this man.
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I mean, I ain't gay, but if I was
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That'd be the dude
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haha
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"So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?"
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 0:46
breathtaking 3
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dat johnson tho
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Neo is an anagram of One. Both names are three letters. Trinity refers to the Christian doctrine that God is three separate entities that are all still made of one being. Boom: solved The Matrix.
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Neo is an anagram of One. Both names are three letters. Trinity refers to the Christian doctrine that God is three separate entities that are all still made of one being. Boom: solved The Matrix.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 1:23
Wait. Three letters? Three entities? HL3 confirmed!
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M4 trailer gets pushed back every time Gabe has to look at someone asking about HL3.
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Johnson was also great in Barry
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 1:31
Oh snap, I forgot he was there!
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That episode was so good
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 1:33
One of the most realistic fight scenes on screen.
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 1:42
I have no idea what Barry is, but that fight scene is amazing
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I have no idea what Barry is, but that fight scene is amazing
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 1:43
It's a tv show you're gonna watch 😛
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Wait. Three letters? Three entities? HL3 confirmed!
Dangit, stop trying to summon the apocalypse!
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 4:03
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Meanwhile at Valve headquarters
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.8.2021. 4:05
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CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 4:05
"I'm not saying it's HL3...." "...But it's HL3"
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Yes.
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how about the original
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how about the original
CorruptedRSI 10.8.2021. 19:56
What about the original?
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Still pne of my favorite scenes, you think they did this again in the 4th movie or took an easier route? https://youtu.be/8vrkF-nzht8
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Still pne of my favorite scenes, you think they did this again in the 4th movie or took an easier route? https://youtu.be/8vrkF-nzht8
Metalogic 11.8.2021. 2:43
Fun fact, they filmed that part last because Keanu shaved his head for it.
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And lose weight/muscles
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Metalogic 11.8.2021. 2:44
and this is actually a fun fact, not like those morbid curiosity facts I call fun facts because I'm messed up!
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uh huh
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and this is actually a fun fact, not like those morbid curiosity facts I call fun facts because I'm messed up!
Nah lol I actually do more of the science and research into this one scene lol. Hince why i give myself my username
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Not sure how to answer if this comes up in M4 without spoiling….. so I won’t
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astro_icecream🍦 11.8.2021. 2:51
That video made the goo pods so much more disturbing! But the slide was cool.
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The power pods/plants are pretty cool
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astro_icecream🍦 11.8.2021. 3:08
It's weird that there's that jello coating over the top of the pods. I wonder what the concept art rationale for that was versus, say, a clear glass top. Because they did seem to have reasons for things I n the designs. Obvs the coating is there to keep heat inside. Maybe the designers just thought it was more gross and disturbing than a coffin-like top, which I think it is. Also easier access for the machines to do stuff to the bodies? (edited)
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 11.8.2021. 4:07
The fluid could have coagulated
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Open top means easier access to the humans within
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Also, jello coating could prevent oxygen from entering, meaning no potential bacteria
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I presumed it was an intentional reaction with the podgoo & atmospheric gasses.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 11.8.2021. 4:19
It could also serve as a way to keep dirt and dust out
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Yeah, as well - though, more keep the dust in.
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astro_icecream🍦 11.8.2021. 6:14
Yes, the jello is obvs a barrier meant by the machines to keep some things inside and some things outside. I was wondering why the concept artists went with a semi-solid gelatinous barrier rather than something solid like a glass coffin lid. In looking at the tower design as a whole, there's a definite organic design element mixed in with the metal, so I think the goo was to lend itself to that organic feel (ie the tree-like architecture, the Sentinels look like octopus and the other machines like insects). It's like the goo that catches insects in a Venus fly trap. I'm sure there's some other, better analogy in the natural world, but that's the first one that springs to mind. A metal or glass lid might have been too sci-fi traditional. Brilliant idea not to use that!
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The pod is a biotechnology, the fluid/goo is simular to amniotic fluid the best the machines can do, the film covering the pods are the fluid is just coagulated, now thats just one powerplant and the main powerplant, I have a theory theres more around the world not as large as the one the movie shown us. Like look at the other pod builts from both the animatrix and comics theres differences
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I think there are just a result of artistic freedom
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Maybe but its a interesting idea
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Just like the look of the agents in World Record
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It’s just the artist having fun with the concept
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B4nH4mm3r plays 11.8.2021. 13:33
you know, I always wondered if there was any life on the surface. Constant dark, and with the war knowing humans is there micro life?
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Matriculated shows us that at the very least some mammals have survived
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I don’t know how but they have a monkey
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B4nH4mm3r plays 11.8.2021. 13:33
that answers that
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But again: it could just be an artistic choice
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That monkey had plugs to go in the matrix it makes no sense (edited)
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It could the machines could had done animal testing b4 they tried on humans
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which begs the questions : how do the Machines put the plugs on the babies without killing them?
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the hole at the back of the head must be tricky to pull off
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Oh thats easy, once they started to create humans the machines grafted the headjack onto them when they get created, then when placed into a pod as shown the needle for body port are added in later
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 11.8.2021. 15:59
Looks quite easy when you consider the gap between the skull and spine back there. Nice soft fleshy bit to shove a needle through
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Thats during the second renaissance yes, but from the future onward its implanted and the human body grows around it which is pretty interesting, like the ports/plugs will be the only thing after humans are cremated in zion or liquefied in the powerplant
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Yes, the jello is obvs a barrier meant by the machines to keep some things inside and some things outside. I was wondering why the concept artists went with a semi-solid gelatinous barrier rather than something solid like a glass coffin lid. In looking at the tower design as a whole, there's a definite organic design element mixed in with the metal, so I think the goo was to lend itself to that organic feel (ie the tree-like architecture, the Sentinels look like octopus and the other machines like insects). It's like the goo that catches insects in a Venus fly trap. I'm sure there's some other, better analogy in the natural world, but that's the first one that springs to mind. A metal or glass lid might have been too sci-fi traditional. Brilliant idea not to use that!
Id say the reason was not technical, it was an artistic choice for the movie, representing a human placenta and its functions
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which begs the questions : how do the Machines put the plugs on the babies without killing them?
CorruptedRSI 11.8.2021. 17:06
I always figured humans in the Real were bred directly in tanks, not naturally born from a mother. As for how, Animatrix shows early machines being able to rip a guy's face or skull off and still keep him alive while playing in his brain. Interfacing machine tech with a baby must be rather straightforward for them. I figure most of it is put in place while it's still early "pregnancy", it's adapted as the baby grows.
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SolivagantX 11.8.2021. 17:08
yeah Morpheus says human beings are not born, they're bred
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Yeah I know that haha I’ve seen the movie
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I just figured it must have been tricky to find the right way to put the plugs on the babies
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A baby or fœtus is very fragile
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Yeah I know that haha I’ve seen the movie
CorruptedRSI 11.8.2021. 17:11
I didn't mean it like that haha. I actually forgot Morpheus literally spells it out 😛
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 11.8.2021. 17:11
Thankfully they could grow them in abundance to figure it out
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CorruptedRSI 11.8.2021. 17:12
Yeah, they probably lost tons of foetuses trying to get it right.
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Well at first they probably grabbed every baby on earth
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Then they had their Mengele like experiments. They must have lost a lot of “crops” at first.
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CorruptedRSI 11.8.2021. 17:13
For sure
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If you can lose corn crops when you don't know what you're doing lol
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I’m very good at being bad at keeping plants alive
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(Also my cat always end up eating them)
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CorruptedRSI 11.8.2021. 17:17
My gf got really good at it. She uses our aquarium water whenever we clean it (~10 days) to feed the plants, they grow like crazy
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So she got even more plants.
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Feel like I live in a greenhouse
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Matriculated shows us that at the very least some mammals have survived
astro_icecream🍦 12.8.2021. 2:50
The comics show that humans can exist on the surface for short periods of time for scavenging. Don't know if that helps!
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Both those examples are outside the Wachowskis umbrella
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Thats during the second renaissance yes, but from the future onward its implanted and the human body grows around it which is pretty interesting, like the ports/plugs will be the only thing after humans are cremated in zion or liquefied in the powerplant
astro_icecream🍦 12.8.2021. 3:03
Grim, but true. Never thought of that. I guess those ports get recycled!
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Both those examples are outside the Wachowskis umbrella
astro_icecream🍦 12.8.2021. 3:05
Are the comics not Canon? Damn. Well, I like them anyway.
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They are not except the one the Wachowskis wrote.
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Most can easily be slotted in as they don’t contradict much. But a few have some clear continuity errors
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same for Animatrix except I guess the Wachowskis probably had more control over what to show and not to show in them
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Goliath is a good example of a comic that isn’t canon. Whole bit is about the Machines training a bluepill pilot to fight off an alien invasion in the real.
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Goliath is a good example of a comic that isn’t canon. Whole bit is about the Machines training a bluepill pilot to fight off an alien invasion in the real.
Metalogic 12.8.2021. 3:09
To be fair, they're telling the bluepill that it's aliens. It's more likely it's redpills attacking the Machine infrastructures.
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It’s been awhile since I’ve read it but doesn’t he clear the blacked out sky and arrive in space? (edited)
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Metalogic 12.8.2021. 3:11
I don't recall, could
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Will say it sounds way better if aliens is just what’s projected into his head
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Metalogic 12.8.2021. 3:15
That's what I took away from it. I mean, if the machines are advanced enough to simulate an entire reality, they're certainly advanced enough to make redpills in hovercraft seem like aliens to a bluepill.
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astro_icecream🍦 12.8.2021. 3:39
I didn't like the whole "let's put aliens in the Matrix" idea, so I will go with them being faux aliens
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Metalogic 12.8.2021. 3:39
Yay, people are accepting my POV
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Now if only you fuckers will accept my POV on the Oligarchs. 😛
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is it that they suck? because I accept that
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Metalogic 12.8.2021. 3:40
Well, to sum it up in one sentence, yes.
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Metalogic
Well, to sum it up in one sentence, yes.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.8.2021. 3:50
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CorruptedRSI 12.8.2021. 3:57
Oligarch storyline completely killed MxO for me back then. Man that was bad.
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Zion/Machine war was back and was a thousand times more interesting than that. (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.8.2021. 4:07
Let's consider Vader's idea on how to handle Oligarchs story and the issue is fixed. 😄
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Let's consider Vader's idea on how to handle Oligarchs story and the issue is fixed. 😄
CorruptedRSI 12.8.2021. 4:08
What's that?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.8.2021. 4:10
Oligarchs being, in reality, some clever tools created by the Machines to infiltrate New Zion.
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CorruptedRSI 12.8.2021. 4:11
Okay so like a what-if rewrite thing? Because I don't think that makes sense with what we learned about them, right?
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Personally, I liked the Ender's game aspect of training Goliath.
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Oligarchs are real, and part of MxO canon. You may not like it, but it's true. Metalogic is the Nu-LESIG Oligarch Liaison Officer. So if yall do away with the Oligarchs he will be out of a job.
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astro_icecream🍦
I didn't like the whole "let's put aliens in the Matrix" idea, so I will go with them being faux aliens
Okay first of all if aliens were in the matrix universe why would they stop at earth see3humans destroyed it and now being ran by machines who are happy that they have ruled the species that abused them lol aliens will probably see the planet as useless or if they get the matrix signal they'll watch it like TV XD
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Reading old rumors on the sequels is wild. "February 18, 2000... Garth over at Dark Horizons just got a wild scoop in regards to what could possibly maybe be the storyline for the second film. Some tidbits are as follows. The character of Trinity could be "displaced in a temporal reality" (like college?) and Neo has to rescue her. The character of Trinity might or might not be...an agent! And as for Zion..."storyboards are circulating showing a chase around Zion's 'Core Conscience', which bares more than a passing similarity to Big Ben!""
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 12.8.2021. 7:01
...If the Trinity = Agent thing was possible, that'd make my OC fiction so much more fucking easy to write
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"The character of Trinity could be displaced in a temporal reality and Neo has to rescue her. " And we got that, only with the characters reversed. (edited)
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what do they mean by "like college?" ?
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SolivagantX 12.8.2021. 16:26
a joke
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Gami
Reading old rumors on the sequels is wild. "February 18, 2000... Garth over at Dark Horizons just got a wild scoop in regards to what could possibly maybe be the storyline for the second film. Some tidbits are as follows. The character of Trinity could be "displaced in a temporal reality" (like college?) and Neo has to rescue her. The character of Trinity might or might not be...an agent! And as for Zion..."storyboards are circulating showing a chase around Zion's 'Core Conscience', which bares more than a passing similarity to Big Ben!""
astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 4:43
More please! If you find them. This is hilarious about Big Ben. I wasn't online in forums too much before Reloaded, only before Revs, so didn't know anything at all about Reloaded going in.
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"The character of Trinity could be displaced in a temporal reality and Neo has to rescue her. " And we got that, only with the characters reversed. (edited)
In a way, though the idea of Trin was displaced in a potential future throughout Reloaded.
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:17
Deep thoughts. Yes, I see your point.
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More please! If you find them. This is hilarious about Big Ben. I wasn't online in forums too much before Reloaded, only before Revs, so didn't know anything at all about Reloaded going in.
Off memory. One early “leak” was Zion was a massive underwater city a la Atlantis. Which was just wrong. The guy that worked on some of the fx work gave a lecture at a college and someone who attended just botched the spoiler he spilled and started spreading that Neo was going to have a shot with hundreds of clones. Like a day later it leaked they were auditioning for Smith look a likes (this was also all before Hugo had settled on a contract but was rumored to be back) (edited)
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Jet Li’s involvement with Reloaded was a real early rumor with everything from “main antagonist” to side character thrown out there. It’s not even clear if Li was actually ever discussed for any part in the sequels. (edited)
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Jet Li’s involvement with Reloaded was a real early rumor with everything from “main antagonist” to side character thrown out there. It’s not even clear if Li was actually ever discussed for any part in the sequels. (edited)
CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:26
Those were probably people mistaking Collin Chou for Li lol
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:27
Clone thing was a really big leak in retrospect. Oops! Wonder if he got fined
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Chou got casted a lot later in development. Or at least the announcement of him was really late. According to Li he is friends with the Wachowskis though but he said he didn’t want to be in it because he was already in Crouching Tiger
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So maybe Li was in consideration for the part and backed out early. Not sure
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:29
So strange how different things are n ow with leaks even though we already had the internet going strong then. I think it's a cultural shift, too, not just technology.
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There’s actually a whole like story behind the fx team on the sequels
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astro_icecream🍦
So strange how different things are n ow with leaks even though we already had the internet going strong then. I think it's a cultural shift, too, not just technology.
CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:31
Twitter/FB? Back then if you wanted to know about leaks, you kinda had to go looking for them.
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It was supposed to be the same company that did M1. But then they abruptly lose the contract and half their team gets laid off or quits. Rumor was it was going to an in-house WB group to work on. Later it gets leaked that the guys leading the old company were just huge fucking dicks so WB was just snatching up everyone who left and hired them in for the in-house team
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:33
Yeah, you had to know where to look on individuals sites. I would have been really angry back then it someone was spreading leaks openly. And most likely sorta shocked. Now people seem to feel a right to know.
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Yeah, you had to know where to look on individuals sites. I would have been really angry back then it someone was spreading leaks openly. And most likely sorta shocked. Now people seem to feel a right to know.
CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:33
Those were the days where, to spoil Harry Potter for fans, people had to physically drive their cars in front of book stores and yell the twist from the open window.
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No dropping spoilers on social media, no such thing
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:34
I did hear the Revs plot before I saw it, but I think it had already been in theaters a few weeks,
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:34
And online "news" outlets weren't taken seriously back then, people still mainly trusted TV/radio more than Internet, unless you were gamers.
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Given the number of casting rumors just around the sequels it’s easy to see why they were mainly ignored
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So maybe Li was in consideration for the part and backed out early. Not sure
I remember hearing about that - but also glad he didn't get the role.
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Half the Reloaded and Rev cast is from Australia yet American sites are pitching A-Tier actors for what we’re basically side parts (edited)
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:37
I like the Seraph guy in the films. Not a big Li fan personally.
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So strange how different things are n ow with leaks even though we already had the internet going strong then. I think it's a cultural shift, too, not just technology.
When you point it out; yeah. Those days, though, the 'net felt more... like the wild west musta been, y'know?
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:39
Yeah, it was much more fun then. People had to put effort into putting out content
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Mm, the bit & the baud.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 5:40
Part of why discord is so great is that it kind of feels like the net back in those days (edited)
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Ok here's a dope Revolutions "leak". A supposed synopsis for Revolutions. http://www.inreview.com/topic-8057.html
Discuss the topic !"new" revolutions script summary! in the Theoretical Scripts at Inreview.com message board and forum.
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Part of why discord is so great is that it kind of feels like the net back in those days (edited)
Lil bit, but the Discord devs seem intent on ruining it...
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astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:41
I miss the old school message boards for Matrix and other fandoms.
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Part of why discord is so great is that it kind of feels like the net back in those days (edited)
CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:42
mIRC, discord edition.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 5:43
Yyyep
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Oh and final rumor that actually got a lot of traction. There was apparently supposed to be a massive helicopter chase scene in one of the movies according to Silver. Silver later laughed about this wondering where the hell it came from because he never said anything like that.
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The media in those days felt more like an honest game of telephone.
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:46
Same tier of credibility as "dude you gotta push the truck near the boat to get Mew"
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 5:47
Holding down A after throwing a PokeBall increases your chance of catching it. My friend's brother's friend said so.
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It's holding B and down on the D-Pad and you will never be able to convince me that doesn't work
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:47
Pfft, my friend's brother's friend's roomate said he caught Mew Two with a regular Pokéball 😉
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 5:47
Knew someone was gonna hop in on that
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Just use a bloody MasterBall.
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:48
Using MissingNo to duplicate your master ball
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That's what real men did.
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I only get one of those and it's for a lvl 16 Pidgey
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CorruptedRSI
Using MissingNo to duplicate your master ball
And, what.. no.
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You monster
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 5:49
Don't worry about saving on your sister's cartridge, it'll just make a new file 😏
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Whatever you do; do not catch a MissingNo.
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I did, despite the warnings, because I'm a rebel at heart.
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:49
We all did it once to see what would happen
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And, y'know what, the warnings were correct.
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:49
Then my Charizard turned into my mom
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And my cartridge broke
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 5:50
And then MissingNo jumped out of the screen, right??
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Ok here's a dope Revolutions "leak". A supposed synopsis for Revolutions. http://www.inreview.com/topic-8057.html
astro_icecream🍦 14.8.2021. 5:50
This is super detailed. Still reading it...
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astro_icecream🍦
This is super detailed. Still reading it...
I did a lot of digging on that because for a bit I was convinced it might be legit. But that one is apparently a rework of another leak that was very similar which the author admitted he created by just looking at available footage and guesswork.
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CorruptedRSI
We all did it once to see what would happen
My brother, and friends told me it wasn't a good idea.. they called me a fool, but I had to know.
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I miss that of myself - the irreverent dedication to discovery... but I also appreciate the respect I now understand for topics, too. Like graveyards and so on; but as my zoomer buddy has emphasized - it's the sorta lesson that has to be learned & cannot be taught.
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 5:59
Gotta fall in that hole and break your face to learn not to play around holes in the first place.
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Yeah, or touch the fire... Or stick a fork on an outlet after prying off the protector for the upteenth time.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 6:01
Lick the batteries, stand on the loose grate, eat the stale food
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Srs, though, I still remember zapping meself... and I musta been two.
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 6:01
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 6:02
Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me Fool me thrice, how do I keep doing this to myself and why have I not learned -Laucivol, age 2
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Or that time where I threw a blanket over my head & ran into an edge... earning myself some stitches & dimples.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 14.8.2021. 6:03
How are you still alive
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Lumivarjo Ethereal
Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me Fool me thrice, how do I keep doing this to myself and why have I not learned -Laucivol, age 2
The you in the first is actually "shame on me."
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CorruptedRSI 14.8.2021. 6:03
Pretty sure it's you > me
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Lumivarjo Ethereal
How are you still alive
Tenacity, if I'm being honest.
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CorruptedRSI
Pretty sure it's you > me
Oh, he's got it correct for the standard version.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal
Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me Fool me thrice, how do I keep doing this to myself and why have I not learned -Laucivol, age 2
Also, just to be clear, I find new ways. XD
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Deleted User 25.8.2021. 11:47
The Matrix: Resurrections is official, I repeat, The Matrix: Resurrections is OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! EXCITEMENT OVERLOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀
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SolivagantX 25.8.2021. 12:17
breathtaking
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Literally couldn’t sleep last night from the excitement of this title drop
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Literally couldn’t sleep last night from the excitement of this title drop
Deleted User 25.8.2021. 16:56
It is certainly exciting, now we just have to wait a little longer for the trailer
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I hope we'll get the trailer either tomorrow or next week
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We can only hope.
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SolivagantX 25.8.2021. 19:02
breathtaking
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I really like that delivery, too - it's super excited, but there's a hesitation to it.
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hi
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too excited for the trailer
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Deleted User 27.8.2021. 11:30
Aren't we all? 😊 (edited)
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yes sir
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It's so cool to see the Wachowskis themselves finally discussing the film publicly after all these years.
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Just read about this in Reddit. Don’t know why people are so resistant to believe a film maker had thought on a film they made a long time ago.
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Deleted User 29.8.2021. 19:13
Taken from interview with Lilly Wachowski (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53692435): ------------------------------------------- "We had the character of Switch - who was a character who would be a man in the real world and then a woman in the Matrix." Lilly doesn't know "how present my transness was in the background of my brain as we were writing" The Matrix. "But it all came from the same sort of fire that I'm talking about." ------------------------------------------- Personally sounds a bit wishy washy to me. I don't buy that there was a deliberate "it's going to be a trans allegory" drive when making the film from the Wachowskis. I personally think fans retrospectively started to see how much they could match trans concepts with the film after the Wachowskis came out, and from that point on, the Wachowskis started to take more notice of that as a theory, and decided "yeah why not, sounds cool, maybe we subconsciously did include some trans-allegory in there without knowing". I'm skeptical. I think the Wachowskis are personally quite happy to go along with it since a lot of trans people have probably become attached to the idea. Probably sounds cynical, but yeah.
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Lily's given a bit more clarification on that since. (edited)
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From the article You confirmed last year that The Matrix was always a trans allegory — [Wachowski shakes her head] You didn’t? I did this interview and the question that preceded that answer was about a character in The Matrix called Switch. But the interviewers decided to put, “Is The Matrix a trans allegory?” in front of my answer. It's not something that I want to come out and rebut. Like, yes, it's a trans allegory — it was made by two closeted trans women, how can it not be?! But the way that they put that question in front of my answer, it seems like I’m coming out emphatically saying, “Oh yeah, we were thinking about it the whole time.”
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Deleted User 29.8.2021. 19:55
I mean, she kind of says "yes it is" and "no it isn't" in the same paragraph there 🥲
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She's saying it is a trans allegory, but no, they were not thinking about the whole time. And that the precedented interview have put a different question in front of her answer, that so give a totally different meaning to the precedent interview. Matrix is a trans allegory, they are trans people and their thoughts have shaped the movie, subtext... But they didn't think about it as a trans allegory at first.
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As an artist, you can produce meanings and allegory without thinking about it, even talk about your own struggle. The patterns and subtext of you creations are not always obvious, especially on yourself, and only when you learn to understand yourself, you understand better what you did before. (edited)
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But this didn't mean you were thinking about it. It was just there, without seeing it.
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Deleted User 29.8.2021. 21:08
Not sure I entirely agree that you can accidently and unconsciously create an allegory. I think either you go in and write something deliberately as an allegory, or you retrospectively assign elements of later personal development onto a previous work and kid yourself that "maybe I subconciously did write an allegory without knowing it". I'm still skeptical, and think that the Wachowskis have kind of just rolled with retrospective leaps of imagination from fans, because it's nice and feels good. But, it's only my opinion. Not something I can be black and white about as nobody but the Wachowskis really know what is in their own heads.
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ourladymetamagic 29.8.2021. 21:16
What if... and hear me out now... As A tRaNs PeRsOn... there is no one universal truth and we should just embrace the absurdity and the fact that they're just really amazing movies and that The Wachowskis are stupendously wonderful directors and writers?
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Not sure I entirely agree that you can accidently and unconsciously create an allegory. I think either you go in and write something deliberately as an allegory, or you retrospectively assign elements of later personal development onto a previous work and kid yourself that "maybe I subconciously did write an allegory without knowing it". I'm still skeptical, and think that the Wachowskis have kind of just rolled with retrospective leaps of imagination from fans, because it's nice and feels good. But, it's only my opinion. Not something I can be black and white about as nobody but the Wachowskis really know what is in their own heads.
Why not? Any writing someone produces is going to have a whole lot of subtext that you, the author, didn't consciously decide to put into it. If you're currently struggling with your own identity and you're already writing a movie about someone unveiling a larger truth about the world, it's easy to slip in bits and pieces about your one struggles just because it feels right.
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Why not? Any writing someone produces is going to have a whole lot of subtext that you, the author, didn't consciously decide to put into it. If you're currently struggling with your own identity and you're already writing a movie about someone unveiling a larger truth about the world, it's easy to slip in bits and pieces about your one struggles just because it feels right.
Thus Spoke Dominic 30.8.2021. 0:09
Exactly how I feel.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 13:33
If I had €1 for every time I've looked back on a character I wrote, or a story I wrote that ended up being foreshadowing as to who/what I am today, I'd have enough to live comfortably for at least a decade.
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Additionally, in the first movie when Neo not only corrects Smith on his name but gets him pummeled by the subway train? That's a fine "don't deadname me" if I ever saw one.
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From my own experience writing and teaching writing, few worthwhile stories start out with the focus on plot or themes. Genre? Sure. But notions such as plot and theme are only after the fact. Those two things naturally happen after characters are allowed to do what they want on the page. Looking back on stuff I wrote ten or even twenty years ago I can see themes and ideas I have only started to truly address in the last five years. (This includes character repeated RP stuff when MXO was still online) (edited)
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I also realize that reads like pretentious bullshit but I am not sure if it’s possible to avoid bullshit while discussing art in general.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 14:51
As someone who is in art college, talking bullshit is highly recommended
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I think the stories that stick with us are ones that have enough depth and layers that they can be viewed from a multitude of lenses and angles. I’m not a fan of the postmodern idea of the author being dead once the art is released. If there is a person who would be uniquely qualified to talk about their work it is the artist themselves.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal
As someone who is in art college, talking bullshit is highly recommended
XD Then I think you are at the right school.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 14:52
Lesson one of art: if you don't know how to explain your piece, either bullshit or cold read
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Lesson one, part two: if you do know how, crack open a thesaurus and embellish the FUCK out of it
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I'm still stuck on the part where I've to somehow review a piece without making it personal while also giving my personal opinion
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Lumivarjo Ethereal
I'm still stuck on the part where I've to somehow review a piece without making it personal while also giving my personal opinion
That is a philosophical doozy. But I’ve had to do the same thing in classes on hermeneutics.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 14:56
Do you think people studying food sciences get this shit? "Make a gluten free dish using only glutinous products"
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Art 🤝 Hermeneutics 🤝 Psychology "Give personal opinion on this but keep it strictly impersonal"
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Lumivarjo Ethereal
Do you think people studying food sciences get this shit? "Make a gluten free dish using only glutinous products"
XD Possibly. I know those with a gluten allergy would love to find a way to do that.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 14:59
I think we're in the wrong professions xD
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To a certain level I do enjoy talking theory and what philosophical ramifications can be. But, at the end of the day, I think of the quote: “Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Go and be one. “ Besides moral philosophy, I think that also applies to art because it’s so easy to be lost in theory when what most of us need to do is just give ourselves freedom to create and fail.
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Don’t know how to apply to the bullshit other than suggest you get a shovel and trowel and lay it on thick for your professors.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:04
Ah, your quote raises the question of what defines a good man!
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How can one be something that has no true description 😏
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Sorry, I'm a sucker for this kind of stuff
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:05
@Lumivarjo Ethereal are they having you read a bunch of Derrida and semiotics in art school?
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:06
Nah, I'm on the fine art side of things
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:07
When I was in grad school, granted it was 20 years ago, that was the cool thing. All the post structuralism, meaning of the "sign" and the "signifier"
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Derrida.. gosh, Im still reading him for my studies.
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Bad thing I was not born when he was teaching in our country, but still fairly popular in philosophy.
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At least my professors did learn from him (and others)
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:08
(on the upside, my partner took philosophy in college so I get to read all his fancy books and notes)
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:08
Yeah, I was my PhD in Literature and Languages. And my class is Romanticism ended up being about "mimesis"
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Philosophy books are always nice, but the kind of thing who will stun you.
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Lucky you astro !
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:09
I was soooo confused! I came from a New Formalist background that was all about the text, not literary theory.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:09
Still find it genuinely ironic that philosophy can only be "professionally" taught in a building that the people who should be learning it can't afford to enter
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I doubt I will make a doctorat of philosophy, but Im on the road for it (a bit too stressfull)
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Ironic also that philosophy was not advertised as something for the rich. 😁 But yeah, philosophy should be taught to everyone.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:10
Right??
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:10
I had a friend who got his PhD in Ethics from Harvard. My word. That poor guy. Too much stress
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It's life valuable lesson.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:10
If it was taught in schools like any other subject, it would be more appreciated and far more widespread.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:11
I actually never had a straight up philosophy class, but I was lucky to goto a religious high school in which the theology classes covered lots of things.like Hegel, etc.
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Ethics interest me, must admit. But where I live, if I want a PHD (we do not call it like that).. you must have much money, time, and be prepared of not having a life for many years.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 30.8.2021. 15:12
Don't forget the debt, no matter how good a country treats college students.
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Then there's the career prospects...
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Yup Temperance. Not having it taught made some strange preconceptions about it, and that the students are not sometimes just not educated to have a critical thinking or just the strife of being a better person.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:12
Exactly, Neronn, I don't recommend that life path to people. It's punishing. The only people who can do it now, it seems, is if they have parental support
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Philosophy class are really cool, I like them. But you just get lost on it.
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Yup a bit my case. It's already hard punishing and you just wonder if you will have a future. (edited)
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You struggle, you learn, you have a debt, sometimes you have the chance of of parental support, but you are not even sure you will have a job at the end, or one who is for your level.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:14
I love That the sitcom The Good Place made philosophy accessible even to teenagers. I often recommend the book that inspired the show "What do we owe to each other"
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My country make some pretty poor professors.
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I remember during some blocus, having to find a "class room" in the entire city, just for my professor can be officially paid and prove he was teaching. As even if the blocus was not his fault, he would not be paid if missing.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:17
Luckily my student debt was minimal (I had scholarships and fellowships) and was forgiven by the government, but I had to teach in some really difficult circumstances in order to get the remainder forgiven. It's crazy how little good teachers are paid. Dental assistants make more money Than I do!
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The Good Place is amazing. As my work has predominantly been about Kierkegaard I lost it about the idea of a rap musical on his life.
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.. xD Yup Astro, that's it. So.. yeah I like philosophy, but if I end teaching.. I would be paid nothing, and not even sure if I will be a good teacher in reality.
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It is rather disgusting how teachers are treated as baby sitters by society.
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Kierkengaard and existentialism.. interesting.
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Yup..
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:20
I always try to tie in pop culture as much as possible when I teach theory. I've had a few articles published about science fiction and philosophy.
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Even as a child I was.. disgusted and surprised how the society want teachers to scream at child who are not educated to even listen in class, and that's the teacher fault, not the parents, or others systems. College and lycee was pretty brutal and some teachers quit from depression.
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I always try to tie in pop culture as much as possible when I teach theory. I've had a few articles published about science fiction and philosophy.
Im trying to tie Isaac Asimov and philosophy for the master degree, I think it's a way to actualise philosophy.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:21
Yes, depression is a huge issue for teachers who actually care.
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For now, notably about the philosophy of friendship.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:21
That's great, Neronn!
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My first try at a masters was a decade ago and was analyzing Kierkegaard’s denouncement of the Danish state church as being incompatible with a personal faith and, at the time, the American Christian evangelical obsession with creating a theocracy. Needless to say I’ve only gotten more material to work with in the last decade. >_>
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Thanks ! That's chaotic but I hope my teachers will like it. They are way more better than me aha.
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I always try to tie in pop culture as much as possible when I teach theory. I've had a few articles published about science fiction and philosophy.
Pop culture should be applied in this way. I love this.
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My first try at a masters was a decade ago and was analyzing Kierkegaard’s denouncement of the Danish state church as being incompatible with a personal faith and, at the time, the American Christian evangelical obsession with creating a theocracy. Needless to say I’ve only gotten more material to work with in the last decade. >_>
Wow, that's actually impressive...
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But yeah, philosophy only seem more fitting and urgent as the years pass.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:23
The PCA/ACA used to do some special issues on Sci fi and philosophy around 2005 or so. They'd be on EBSCO. That's the Pop Culture Association/American Culture Association
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Nice.. :o
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Neronn
Im trying to tie Isaac Asimov and philosophy for the master degree, I think it's a way to actualise philosophy.
This is great! I would love to read this thesis when you finish.
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Ahahah ! I doubt my thesis would be presentable, Im really bad at methodology. Good at idea, but all that is organising ideas.. pure chaos.
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Well at least my soutenance is really soon. (edited)
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The PCA/ACA used to do some special issues on Sci fi and philosophy around 2005 or so. They'd be on EBSCO. That's the Pop Culture Association/American Culture Association
I am going to need to do some googling. I hadn’t heard of this before.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:25
Lol, that's mainly what I teach...harassing the chaos in writing
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Ahahah ! I doubt my thesis would be presentable, Im really bad at methodology. Good at idea, but all that is organising ideas.. pure chaos.
Do you have a page limit you are working with?
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Do you have a page limit you are working with?
30 pages for this limit, 100 for the next year.
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Lol, that's mainly what I teach...harassing the chaos in writing
Your students are lucky so. 😁
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:26
Ninten, yeah, they did a series of books, too. I submitted an article for Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy, but got cut in the last edit. I think they do them on Religion and on Philosophy.
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30 pages seem so little for many, but for me.. well, in oral Im good, and can develop without problems my ideas, but writing, Im chaotic and mainly really concise for the ideas and concepts that seem clear for me.. not the others.
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Battlestar Galactica is a really good subject.
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30 pages for this limit, 100 for the next year.
Good luck with those. I think you will find the limit helps you focus your ideas as you write and it will be easier to grapple with what the focus should be.
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Ninten, yeah, they did a series of books, too. I submitted an article for Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy, but got cut in the last edit. I think they do them on Religion and on Philosophy.
Hate to hear you got cut. But thank you for letting me know about the books as well.
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I have the bad tendency to not write much, as I fear naturally to repeat myself and "but that's already clear, no ?". Well actually my soutenance is in... 8 days. 😁
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Other thing my professor often laugh at, is my pure absence of conclusion, even if I should. If often keep it in oral and not writing, or that because it seem "talking again about the same thing". It's complete rookie mistakes, and Im experienced ! But they know that how I work without being really conscious about it.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:39
Try using dictation software if oral is easier for you. Then go thru and highlight or cross out relevant material
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Hate to hear you got cut. But thank you for letting me know about the books as well.
astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:41
Sure! I think there was a Matrix one, too, but not sure if it was the Same publisher. Try Project Muse maybe? If you have that database. You can probably get the same articles.
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I think the stories that stick with us are ones that have enough depth and layers that they can be viewed from a multitude of lenses and angles. I’m not a fan of the postmodern idea of the author being dead once the art is released. If there is a person who would be uniquely qualified to talk about their work it is the artist themselves.
I'm late as fuck, but my understanding of "death of the author" is less "the author has no input on how their art should be interpreted" and more "the author's opinion on how their art should be interpreted isn't the only right opinion"
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And I'm about 90% sure it was popularized by Rowling being a pile of shit
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Try using dictation software if oral is easier for you. Then go thru and highlight or cross out relevant material
Not a bad idea, thanks !
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Would think of it for the next master, this one being too late.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.8.2021. 15:59
if you want to know about the death of the author theory, that's part of reader response theory, which has been around since the 1960s. @Dragonn Here's a good, concise rundown https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/subject_specific_writing/writing_in_literature/literary_theory_and_schools_of_criticism/reader_response_criticism.html (edited)
The Purdue University Online Writing Lab serves writers from around the world and the Purdue University Writing Lab helps writers on Purdue's campus.
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Reader response theory has direct links to how most prople talk about The Matrix. And it seems to be the main way the Wachowskis encourage interpretation of the films as an individual experience
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Deleted User 31.8.2021. 3:32
DM ME MOVIES LIKE THE MATRIX ,.... DARK CITY ....BLA BLA BLA......whoever knows some
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I'm days late, but somebody somewhere had mentioned Neo correcting someone on his name with "don't deadname me" vibes and I just realized that kinda gives Smith a really interesting angle with that lens
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I'm days late, but somebody somewhere had mentioned Neo correcting someone on his name with "don't deadname me" vibes and I just realized that kinda gives Smith a really interesting angle with that lens
Lumivarjo Ethereal 31.8.2021. 6:13
Was meeeeeee
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Additionally, in the first movie when Neo not only corrects Smith on his name but gets him pummeled by the subway train? That's a fine "don't deadname me" if I ever saw one.
Lumivarjo Ethereal 31.8.2021. 6:15
slides this over here
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cc0medown 1.9.2021. 14:45
Do the machines write programs?
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Do the machines write programs?
Metalogic 1.9.2021. 14:51
Yes
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cc0medown 1.9.2021. 14:52
And once programs are written and active in the matrix why can't they simply just delete them like sati
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Metalogic 1.9.2021. 14:53
shrugs
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cc0medown 1.9.2021. 14:55
What's some good sources of lore outside the films?
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I heard animatrix is good
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Metalogic 1.9.2021. 14:56
Animatrix and the Matrix comics
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cc0medown 1.9.2021. 15:02
How come at the end of revolutions the machines would of killed neo if he didn't bargain for peace, would they have been able to destroy agent smith by themselves?
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Thus Spoke Dominic 1.9.2021. 15:35
They may have been. Deus was stubborn at first "We don't need you!"
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The actual outcome however, who knows
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He is the Two
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He may not be The One, but he's The One Doing His Best
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astro_icecream🍦 4.9.2021. 1:35
I always watch that several times whenever it pops up somewhere. A good reminder that even Keanu has bad days. I mean, seriously, how embarrassing!
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It probably took 30 mins to set those columns up again.
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That's a long, humbling waiting time. (edited)
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How come at the end of revolutions the machines would of killed neo if he didn't bargain for peace, would they have been able to destroy agent smith by themselves?
Hubris and rage against a group for killing your ancestors isn’t a strictly human concept.
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cc0medown 4.9.2021. 20:54
Matrix 4 trailer when
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Matrix 4 trailer when
If this is a serious question, there has been no official word. If this is a flippant remark, it is important to remember that once we see the movie we will realize the trailer was in fact the friends we made along the way.
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If this is a serious question, there has been no official word. If this is a flippant remark, it is important to remember that once we see the movie we will realize the trailer was in fact the friends we made along the way.
ourladymetamagic 4.9.2021. 21:25
I thought the real Final Fantasy was the friends we made along the way. I'm confused. (edited)
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I thought the real Final Fantasy was the friends we made along the way. I'm confused. (edited)
Okay. So, people assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, its more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.
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Or if you prefer, I can bullshit via Wheel of Time. Age to come, age that was, age that will be, etc. etc. don’t be a docuhebag and make sure to floss after meals.
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Or, should we seek a Biblical perspective- For everything there is a season, A time for every activity under heaven.
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MockingOwlProductions 4.9.2021. 22:15
Ecclesiastes - Emo 2,400 years before it was cool.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Also happens to be my favorite book of the Bible. >.> (edited)
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MockingOwlProductions 4.9.2021. 22:21
Oh, not knocking it, just teasing the subject matter itself because of how dear it is to my heart. Doing a deep study of Ecclesiastes and Job during my senior year of college in two different courses literally saved my sanity and life. "God, Evil, and Suffering" and "Good and Evil."
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Totally taken as intended!
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MockingOwlProductions 4.9.2021. 22:21
I think people regardless of faith or lack thereof, can glean things from it. (edited)
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Verily.
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Okay, who is an idiot that evidently has two separate account on this server? This guys, whoops. Productions and me are the same dirty theology loving operative of Zero One. Didn't realize the other account had automatically logged in on the laptop.
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The other was meant to be my "Functioning Grownup" account for work and school. Not sure how it got added to this server.
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Regardless. I do love how Ecclesiastes has managed to stay one of the most controversial books of both Hebrew and Christian canons over the centuries.
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If I always remember one thing is how my philosopher teacher pointed out that rarely if ever have people asking questions ended up drinking poisoned Kool Aid.
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lmao, I was wondering why the writing-voice sounded the same. XD
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XD I managed to do the same thing by accident back during the days of MXO when trying to make posts as various characters on message boards but was half asleep. (edited)
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If I always remember one thing is how my philosopher teacher pointed out that rarely if ever have people asking questions ended up drinking poisoned Kool Aid.
Which is one of the allures of contemplative works such as Ecclesiastes and Job - and why, for New Testament matters, I'm quite the fan of Doubting Thomas. Despite what he was used as in my rearing, the story itself is not condemnation of inquiry (for Thomas asked in earnest, and was answered with Truth).
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"Doubting Thomas" as a phrase as always made me cringe because it does miss the point.
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Yet I was compelled to use it, such that it was readily recognizable. Quite the catch-22.
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Jesus went out of his way to recruit followers, especially the Apostles, who were either rejected by other Rabbis or would have never been chosen. Fishermen, a Tax Collector (who was seen as a race and religious traitor), a Religious Terrorist who if didn't participate in attacks on Roman soldiers would have supported them, and I think part of that is because their life perspectives would have made them ask questions the enfranchised Rabbinical students would miss.
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Especially considering Jesus' relationship with the Sadducees & Pharisees - the outsider would be exceptionally drawn to the message of such. Lovingkindness rather than wrath and wroth.
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Quite an interesting, if perturbing, twist if we look at the direction of modern history; but this is probably not the place for such musings.
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Whoops. Could have swore the door said "Philosophy" and not "films" >_>
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We could jump down to that channel and continue.
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I suppose so. XD
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 4.9.2021. 22:49
Jesus: represents love Also Jesus: cursed a fig tree to die because it didn't bear fruit out of season
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Apocryphal for a reason.
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 2:48
so whats the agents' fighting style
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if there is any
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something like kung fu, karate etc
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 5.9.2021. 3:08
Pretty much a blend of different martial arts, but they prefer to rely on their guns.
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It felt like a simple brawl. Punch kick. Because they are antiviral and all it cares about is efficient killing. No frills
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 6:00
definitely a lot of swinging too
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its either haymakers, straight karate punches or basic kicks
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its interesting to watch, honestly, especially cause no human being would fight like that
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its either haymakers, straight karate punches or basic kicks
I do think them acting in such a cold and sterile way really sells it.
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The agents are really great "vilains" in the concept. (edited)
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And the concept of a dress that make them "men in charge" in the common eyes is pretty logical to deal with anomalies without standing out too much. (edited)
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I like to think most of not al guards, police, etc. are simply programs as well. Which is why it’s so easy for thebborla software or work they have
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 5.9.2021. 14:13
Hard to say since they can be taken over by Agents if they need to, similar to normal folks
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 18:28
dont think so, honestly
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cause that would mean locking out humans from an entire branch of service/work
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or at least - if just most cops are programs - locking enough humans out of it for it to be suspicious
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Cops were definitely human in m1
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Swat too
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Probably all coordinated by agents tho
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 18:32
theres an interesting comic about a security guard who just sent out his application for the police force, but ultimately gets gunned down in a fight between a rebel and an agent
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forgot what its called though
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also i believe basically every important position is filled with programs on the higher levels. law enforcement, politics, hell even business
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the media
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every top executive is a program, im sure. media, cause you dont want any unorthodox movie concepts becoming too popular, business because as a machine you want to guarantee a certain standard of living and if a human food executive fucks up - hell there might be a food shortage and too many human batteries just die off
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and since the chances of anyone making it to the top in any branch of work are slim, theres some plausible deniability why you as an individual didnt make it, which isnt the case in a "everyones a program" scenario
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 5.9.2021. 18:51
I wonder how indie films work in the Matrix universe
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 19:11
its an eternal state of 1999 so there wouldnt be a risk of them gaining too much exposure
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assuming theres an indie film with suspicious content that cant just be removed from existence you could either have an art critic destroy it in their review or direct the whole review process to an artsy, pretentious direction so the average joe doesnt give a shit
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Thank you for the feedback and corrections. My assumption was that police and other similar jobs would be too important to trust to humans. But it makes sense humans would be used as grunts and anyone, say captain and above, with a leadership role is a program.
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I would contend that for normal law enforcement activities- it's human ran. The Machines seem to have a mostly hands off approach to the running of the Matrix.
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So the commandos in mxo were originally sentinels in the real world. Does this mean every sentinel is a unique personality AI and the death of a sentinel is the same as a person dying? A unique personality who is one of a kind?
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 21:08
definitely possible, just like any other program
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I ask. Because during the attack on Zion dozens maybe hundreds of them committed suicide to protect and then revive the huge diggers. If they were all unique persons I sort of understand why the General decided to turn against Zero One.
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I can’t imagine ordering the deaths of so many and then to be called off and then told they deaths were essentially meaningless.
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It's true we do have seen programs seem to have, yes, a mission encrypted in their core, but a personnality...
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Yup, that would be pretty... understandable so as a reaction.
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 21:18
question is: how much do they actually cling to their life
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And also as a comeback to the robot rights.
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Maybe a bit like soldiers.
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 21:19
you can have a unique personality and still not give a fuck about your own demise
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+- much, but having a purpose. The purpose destroyed with the truce...
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 21:20
other question is: how much of a programs personality is just its purpose, manifested in a world thats more complex than just 0 and 1 as a user interface (edited)
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like any OS has a graphic interface thats merely the human optimized surface of all the calculations going on in the background
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Don't forget, our purpose is arguably pretty simple too
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The father of the little girl seem to have.. much more that just its purpose. (edited)
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 21:25
probably an expected deviation from his original programming
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errors in programs or breakdowns arent that rare, which is why theres agents hunting exiles
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+- much, but having a purpose. The purpose destroyed with the truce...
The purpose of that moment is not eradicated with the truce & subsequent withdrawal.
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 21:39
militaries around the world use their soldiers as helpers during natural disasters
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The purpose of that moment is not eradicated with the truce & subsequent withdrawal.
You would think the purpose was only this mission and not more general ?
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Deviation seem okay, yes.
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 22:04
i wonder how smith ended up deviating into becoming a destroyer of worlds
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what exactly the cause was, on a programming level
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but i guess the smith program was already pretty broken, due to his active hate for humanity
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You would think the purpose was only this mission and not more general ?
As in, the group that sacrificed themselves (assuming they weren't just burning out their physical form and they had individual identity which couldn't be reconstituted in 01), have not sacrificed themselves in vain despite the truce.
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I think too Smith was already too broken. The nice detail of the agent and their look when they understand he was not listening trough the com.. I understand, Laucivol !
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what exactly the cause was, on a programming level
A single cosmic ray flipping the "kill ebverybody" bit
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David T. Gregory 5.9.2021. 23:02
lol
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astro_icecream🍦 5.9.2021. 23:35
I'm late to the conversation, but I think it's entirely possible there are "cultures" within the machine AI subgroups. In the attack on Zion, self-sacrifice might have been a cultural doctrine of at least some of the Sentinels. I'd also like to know why Smith started getting "buggy" ; perhaps he was one of the older agent programs and had just been defragmented too many times, lol. If he'd acted out in a previous version of the matrix, obviously he would have been deleted.
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astro_icecream🍦 5.9.2021. 23:46
Up above someone also commented on how culture in Neo's version of the matrix would be affected by having programs in positions of power in various spheres. I love this idea. It has helped me clarify an observation I've always had about M1 and M2. I've always thought that Neo's world, in addition to lacking the color blue, just seemed really dull. For example,The people on the street are all wearing black and white in M1 and M2 and are expressionless. Choi in M1 is the only person we meet that seems to have any kind of personality. If programs are able to censor what's taught in school, shown in media, and encouraged as social norms, it would be a lot easier to discourage red pill personality tendencies. Much less memory erasing would be aneeded if the culture stifles creative thinking at many levels to begin with.
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Up above someone also commented on how culture in Neo's version of the matrix would be affected by having programs in positions of power in various spheres. I love this idea. It has helped me clarify an observation I've always had about M1 and M2. I've always thought that Neo's world, in addition to lacking the color blue, just seemed really dull. For example,The people on the street are all wearing black and white in M1 and M2 and are expressionless. Choi in M1 is the only person we meet that seems to have any kind of personality. If programs are able to censor what's taught in school, shown in media, and encouraged as social norms, it would be a lot easier to discourage red pill personality tendencies. Much less memory erasing would be aneeded if the culture stifles creative thinking at many levels to begin with.
Seem logical. The patron at the first seem to really encourage a bluepill way of life. The green tint, really dull, pretty uniform.. And something we can see IRL, to be "in the masss".
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Ah yes, gray: the IRL green (edited)
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There are certainly outsiders, though for the most part we're seeing the common world in being drab in comparison to our protagonists.
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astro_icecream🍦 6.9.2021. 0:22
Yes, I've wondered how much of that was just due to excellent production design, (the costumes, decision to tint the film, the sets, etc) and how much was from the writers. Next time I look at the M1 script I'll check if there's any description of Neo's world. And It makes absolutely no sense from a tactical standpoint for the red pills to dress in black leather, etc, when they enter the matrix. Makes them REALLY stand out. But it looks cool, so I'll overlook the logic 😀
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They're a buncha rebels- who can practically dodge bullets.
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And the ability to wear whatever they want to, as there's no actual pricetag.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 0:30
@astro_icecream🍦 maybe an agent is simply unable to act out in any meaningful way.
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i mean he has superpowers that are mostly sufficient to eliminate exiles - so he could create quite a mess, unless its literally impossible for him to disobey
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something hardcoded in their programming. maybe with a bit of leeway here and there, maybe even enhanced by the fact that smith was given a more complex personality than the others but ultimately no way to free himself from his purpose. kinda like robocops 4th directive
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most likely none of the programmers actually cared too much, since they believed there was no way for smith to liberate himself anyway
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Didn't Smith plug himself into a physical human for a bit before he went completely haywire?
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 0:35
after his "resurrection" yeah
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They're a buncha rebels- who can practically dodge bullets.
astro_icecream🍦 6.9.2021. 0:36
And there's the whole RSI as projection of self thing, too. The Wachowskis said that the way they look in the Matrix itself is a fantasy projection, too, in some ways. That's not quite the correct wording.
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It was wording that meant something a bit more like aspirational than fantasy. But hey, I'm super tired, so that's the best I can recall right now. I think it was in an article about the costume design concepts.
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Didn't Smith plug himself into a physical human for a bit before he went completely haywire?
I would say that was after he was completely haywire.
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Aah
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It's been while since I rewatched the films
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Yeah, I'm gonna be doing so myself here soon... because it's about that time to do so.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:18
what do you think the machines framed morpheus as
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with smith calling him the most dangerous man alive
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drug dealer? worldwide cult? abduction ring?
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Terrorist, maybe?
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:21
sure but what kind
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Probably some dangerous cult leader.
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Or the leader of some anarchist group.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:22
yeah some kind of david koresh on steroids maybe
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Exactly.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:23
plus some kind of suicidal aspect to the cult, to cover up all the disappearances
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I'm thinking all the lines.
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Probably running a paedo ring, too.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:25
hell due to the fact that most redpills seem to have been into computer stuff of all kinds, theres a simple excuse why people worldwide (whatever that means in the matrix) are affected, instead of it just being a local phenomenon like with the branch davidians
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radicalized via the internet is a thing after all
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I remember adds in MxO that were warning about the "Red Pill" being the next big drug.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:26
yeah
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I'm thinking more of a cyber terrorist.
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(Turns out the entire War on Drugs thing is actually a Machine ploy...)
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:27
cult leader who drugs his followers and makes them kill themselves
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Yeah, but his organization gets funding through this mysterious- and highly dangerous- drug.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:28
why would morpheus care about the matrix-internet except for contacting potentials
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although, with many hackers joining i can see why thats plausible too
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Pedo ring seems a but out there. The humans hacking into the Matrix theoretically have the ability to crash stocks, indoctrinate other people, cause all kinds of chaos.
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Morpheus himself is actually irrelevant in your original line of question. XD
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But Morpheus is the face of the resistance.
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So, how do we make Morpheus the worst possible caricature of a terrorist?
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:29
depends
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after the first film was released the stereotypical image of a terrorist has changed from madman to religious extremist
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That's why I'd argue for the Machines having him as marked on all sorts of line as "the worst person imaginable."
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:30
that way even accusing him of running a pedo ring would make sense
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may not be true but who the hell cares, lets throw it in for good measure, makes him look even worse
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Now, definitely not true - but also remember that Zion targets younger folks.
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Point taken.
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(See - the spoon kid.)
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So, the appearance of such disappearances could readily be spun that there was a ring set up.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:33
fox news in the matrix must be wild
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Or human trafficking.
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CNN would be even worse. -_-
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:33
i can def. see that
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the CNN thing i mean
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fox news in the matrix must be wild
100 injured. 52 dead in 62 car pile up on Alameda Freeway
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Probably how they framed the highway chase in Reloaded.
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Well, it's accurate in the numbers at least.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:35
Rumors of a suited man jumping from car to car have been debunked. Experts say all that happened was an unexpected meteor strike that caused the chaos.
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There were no goths shooting shit, believe me.
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Among the victims are two twin brothers.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:36
and the obligatory "WHY DOESN'T OUR POLITICAL OPPONENT DO SOMETHING?!"
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Known terrorist Morpheus escaped custody in lethal bombing that leaves 30 dead.
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David T. Gregory
There were no goths shooting shit, believe me.
"Do not believe your lying eyes."
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:37
"how can mirrors be real if our eyes arent real"
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coroners in the matrix are def. programs. no human could keep up with all the weird deaths
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Remember how many unsolved murders there are?
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Just sayin' that even RL... all the weird deaths aren't kept up with.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:41
yeah but how many deaths are caused by "jumping off the 50th floor after a gun battle" or "smashed to pieces due to two trucks colliding"
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Or the deaths caused by the helicopter explosion?
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Or the deaths caused by the helicopter explosion?
More than you'd expect.
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Also, consider that this is during the wind-down of this iteration of the Matrix. Prior to this point the ops have been fairly calm.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:43
okay how would they explain all the destruction caused by neos rescue flight to save trinity
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including the exploding skyscraper from which he emanates
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which is the 2nd exploding skyscraper in 6 months
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They don't really have to - as Smith is... a huge problem & this isn't how they planned for it to go at all.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:44
true
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probably didnt matter at that point
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How would they explain it? Probably a restore.
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:45
yeah
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everyones memory was wiped after smiths demise anyway and the whole city got a factory reset
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I imagine that some folks had legitimate night-terrors about it, though.
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wakes up in a start "I had that dream again... and you were there, but it wasn't you - we all had the same face." (edited)
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David T. Gregory 6.9.2021. 22:48
and....we all wore....a fucking armani suit......IM A HUGO BOSS GUY OKAY?! A HUGO BOSS GUY!
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Lol, yes.
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"Oh boy, I was handsome"
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Well, it was actually interesting to read, to flesh out more the Matrix world.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 1:05
thats the fun part, theres so much to speculate on
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Ayup.
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Hey, y'all know the movies
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The fuck was Neo doing with those floppies?
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 2:57
Monkey Island, clearly
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It sounded like drugs but now the fuck do you make code-drugs with a Commodore within the Matrix?
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Probably information trafficking, honestly.
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wakes up in a start "I had that dream again... and you were there, but it wasn't you - we all had the same face." (edited)
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By the way, this is why I'm thinking there's flashes of remaining memories post-reboot.
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SolivagantX 7.9.2021. 16:35
breathtaking hi
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Used to play mxo?
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Do people still watch Nostalgia Critic?
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I thought he died of shame a long time ago
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S'what I gathered
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That and people realizing he didn't actully have anything interesting to say
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it was easy to be famous without any talent back then because he was the first to do it (edited)
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Eh, he stole his formula from AVGN, he just managed to build an empire with it
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One that rapidly got cancerous
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Because, for some reason, he sold all his rights to some dude who really liked to abuse his employees
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Don't forget his general downspiral both before and after that
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Because it's Smith ego.
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He said it himself, that he know he will win, the oracles power showed this, and that's why he will fight only as one, as the others will watch Neo's defeat.
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And in the game, the sisters said they changed the fight because the movie one would not do for a videogame. They even broke the fourth wall to tell it. 😁
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Neo won not by fighting Smith, but accepting his end (and he understood this when hearing a part of Oracle in Smith, he only say "mister anderson", but in one sentence, it's "Neo"... Indicating what he must do)
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I don't think I understand what you mean ? (edited)
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Deleted User 7.9.2021. 17:15
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wrong #
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Deleted User 7.9.2021. 17:18
Oh my gosh, my mistake, sorry everyone
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I'm still learning the ropes here
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Archon you're in the wrong server to be a bigot
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Because they didn't feel correct in a men body, I think. Being trans is a pretty personnal choice.
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Deleted User 7.9.2021. 17:19
I believe our lives are simulations to a race classed V on the K-Scale
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they didn't "cut their" for starter
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and transition isn't "getting in your own matrix"
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It's something you feel, all your life. I have a really good horror film who could help you understand the feeling you have, when you are, in your mind, not in the right body.
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I would say it's affirming reality and the importance of human mind over a society. A bit like the subtext of Matrix (which is a trans allegory to their own admitting)
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If someone doesn't identify itself as a man (whatever the society define what is "a man"), it's his choice, and he have the right to do what he deem necessary to be in peace. Many of ours will be "ok" with their own genders at birth, others will not. (edited)
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You don’t have to be your country
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But you can understand Archon that a country law isn't necessary a moral compass, right ?
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It's important to differenciate gender and sex. If I could make a joke, I would say "never heard of Mickael Jackson ?" Other thing interesting is that "being white" is actually not really biological and more cultural. Someone could be viewed as white in England, but absolutely not white in another country, like in the north. (edited)
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Manic Velocity 7.9.2021. 17:42
This conversation is getting close to a line I'd rather it not cross. Please keep it civil, and on-topic with the films.
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More thinking about Judith Butler. John Money was about gender roles, and what he mean about that is different.
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This conversation is getting close to a line I'd rather it not cross. Please keep it civil, and on-topic with the films.
Do not worry, I want to keep it civil, without ill-intention.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 17:48
too bad they didnt keep the original idea for switch in the first movie
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but i guess that was way ahead of its time
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I always heard WB was too squeamish about that idea, but not 100% sure that's what happened
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 17:48
it wouldve created an interesting dilemma
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so they went with someone who just looked androgynous instead
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I assume it came down to the wachowski’s being shit at explaining things (they admittedly are) and concerns that audiences wouldn’t keep up that the two different people are the same person
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Well, who could look androgynous. it's amazing how much belinda mcclory doesn't look like Switch
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 17:50
what if on one hand you wanna be free from the matrix
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yet on the other hand your RSI is a lot closer to who you feel you are
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(assuming of course they cant perform a safe sex reassignment surgery in zion)
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@Deleted User the idea was that switch was supposed to be female in the matrix and male in the real world (or vice versa, not too sure about that) implying her to be trans
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Also could have been a budget concern. Adding another actor for a small bit when one actor can just do both
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 17:54
@Gami technically, if you go for said dilemma, you could just scrap cypher, have switch be the traitor
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"i can be what i wanna be" in the matrix is a better motivation than "i like steak"
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of course that would also send a problematic message, portraying a trans person as an unstable villain so....
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don’t think the Wachowskis would want to use a trans character as a villain.
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lol the bot is very touchy about repeated characters
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Clearly
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Manic Velocity 7.9.2021. 17:59
Bot should be more lenient with repeated text now. Sorry about that.
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It’s all good.
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"I like steak" is a great motivation
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:04
"ITS RAW YOU FUCK! SHIT! WHAT IS THIS SLIME? ITS LIKE AN ELEPHANT TOOK A PISS! AND YOU DIDNT EVEN COOK IT! FUCK ME!" - Gordon Ramsay, now known as "Cookie" in the real world, upon discovering Zion's culinary habits
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but Cypher's motivations are beyond that. He's an ultra capitalist, his name is even Reagan. He wants the money, the big house, the big car and the big steak.
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that steak does look good though
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that mouth full sigh.... we've all had steaks like that
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I could go for one right now
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Joey Pants sells it so well
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indeed
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:05
honestly, dont think i ever had steak
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my interest in cooking of any kind was minimal until recently
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best guess is to assume that just spawning things out of thin air doesnt work very easily in the matrix, in order to maintain a relative consistency of reality
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also agents still appear to have human bodies. they can bleed, get shot. only difference is that theyre super powered. so modifying an existing RSI would probably be easier than making such a complex system appear from scratch
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third point is: possession by agents triggers some degree of retrograde amnesia in those affected, which helps wiping their memory of having seen what they shouldnt have
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and bluepills basically act as surveillance cameras
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:32
by fucking up all the laws of thermodynamics
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they use human bioelectricity body heat combined with "a form of fusion" (edited)
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best explanation is probably a nuclear fusion reactor thats highly efficient, yet only works at a certain temperature
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Older drafts make it sound like it’s mainly nuclear power the machines are living off of. Humans only provide a spark needed to ignite the fuel source to get the energy out of.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:36
lets not forget the original idea supposedly never had anything to do with human energy. instead humans were acting as CPUs in a huge neural network
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that was basically the matrix
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That’s not true
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Idea was always batteries.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:38
really?
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The CPU theory comes from Neil Gaiman’s Goliath and was never a consideration by the Wachowskis
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:39
oh okay, my bad then
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Morpheus is holding a battery in the 97 screenplay. And mentions batteries in 96.
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It’s all good. It gets floated everywhere.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:40
goliath was a nice short story though
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Gaiman is a hell of a writer
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:41
i think ive heard he didnt know much about the actual plot of the movie, just the basic concepts, is that true?
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when he wrote it i mean
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His addition on the comics is funny. Wachowskis asked him if he would do it. He didn’t really want to do he threw a high number at them and they said sure.
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And yeah, they sent him a script to read and a few storyboards
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That’s what he used to world build his story.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:43
its nice though, gives it a unique twist
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Think he said they hit him up after filming but before release. His comic might have even been out before the actual film
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:45
sometimes i wish there was some decent matrix fanfiction to see whats possible withj that universe
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but all ive seen so far are hardcore mary-sues, agent brown transferred to the real world in a cyborg body and smith deciding to adopt a first name, which of course is hugo (edited)
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Have you read the fan made 1999 Reloaded script?
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I won’t say it’s good. But it’s a read
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:46
the shadow script that ends in mass murder?
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Last scene is Neo on a chapel and Morpheus hangs up on him?
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:47
not sure about that but i remember they have to destroy the metacortex building cause its the mainframe of the matrix
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Yeah that’s it
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:48
and smith trains a hobo/biker to become the 2nd neo
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Pony tail Smith
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Yep lol that’s the one.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:48
imagine hugo weaving with a fucking wig
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was it really made in '99?
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Well maybe.
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Smith has a pony tail because Hugo was filming LotR. And in a few shots in the Matrix Revisted documentary he has long hair
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:50
it'd honestly surprise me if it had been written before the release of reloaded
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he has some interesting comments in that thread
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:50
cause it did feature a couple of ideas that ended up being implemented in the sequel
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I can’t remember how early we knew Reloaded’s title name. I think that came in late 2002. So it was probably written then
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:50
sword fighting, multiple smiths, hell even a second one (like smith in 3)
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its worth reading his comments
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:51
of course you could argue these are just logical consequences of the "bigger and more badass" sequel mentality
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Been looking for that thread. Thanks
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Yup np
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 18:54
a lot of good points in the thread
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someone was just talking about the "humans as power" idea, he talks about that in another thread on those forums as well...cant recall which thread atm
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russinabox 7.9.2021. 19:35
Anyone check out www.whatisthematrix.com today? (edited)
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I did.
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russinabox 7.9.2021. 19:36
Ton of new small clips when you keep reselecting a different pill (edited)
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Hyped for the trailer launch
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 19:54
honestly
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sometimes i think id rather live in a matrix than this kinda reality, cause thered be at least some checks and balances that avoid pandemics, bad world politics and whatever
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at least there would be some force protecting the world as a human habitat
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but im also tired of all the bullshit thats been going on for the past couple of years. i just wanna fucking live
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at least there would be some force protecting the world as a human habitat
Actually, no. They tried that and "entire crops were lost." Effectively, there would still be all the dire uncertainty that we know- that's the point of the iterations. The human mind does not survive in isolation.
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No, this is a man who is weary of the world collapsing around him in various means. We all feel that from time to time, and although I do not know- and in this context do not want to know - the political leanings and so on at this point. I do recognize that exhaustion.
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Notice how I said I do not want to know or - by extension- care to know.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:26
lets just say: political leanings do not matter in this situation
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left, right, i dont care, i guess were all tired of all this shit
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Bingo.
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Unfortunately, though, on topic - such things could, and arguably must, occur in the Matrix simulation as we have seen it.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:29
maybe - but on that scale?
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Smith.
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And also the reset that would happen as a result of the destabilization caused by the anomaly of choice.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:30
yeah but thats another kind of disaster, something unexpected
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things like pandemics should be under full control of the machines
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The Machines don't seem to have absolute control over the Matrix - by design.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:31
question is: how quickly are they able to act
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dont think any pandemic in the matrix would last two years and more
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The Matrix has you. >.> In this form, it could.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:32
how so
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what would be the benefit
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you got millions dying, thousands offing themselves and the rest is stuck in a limbo of inaction
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Systems of control being implemented by government - people locked down in a singular fashion are far easier to direct and maintain control of all the while still providing the sense of choice which we humans live on.
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The government in the Matrix being a hypothetical extension of the will of the Machines.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:36
why would you implement that kind of micromanagement though if you already have a shitload of control
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unless of course theres a really strong rebellious element that wouldve to be quarantined
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Ayup.
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And so we have Truce.
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Higher "death" is actually more and more red pills as the Matrix destabilizes from the now-unchecked Anomaly.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:38
except of course the victims of any pandemic just die
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without waking up in the real world
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Well, that's the real matter, sure. But we're talking about such a thing in the Matrix.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:39
if covid or whatever would be a red pill virus, fine
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but if it aint, its just a shitload of batteries failing, which needs to be avoided
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Which is why I brought up the Truce - and when the Anomaly hasn't been checked yet.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:40
hm...
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This joke is gonna fall flat, but I'm doing it anyway. Trans-fat, eh?
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It's a joke!
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 21:41
if the truce actually implies all the other speculations, like the matrix becoming closer to simulating the real world, itd make sense
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if the truce actually implies all the other speculations, like the matrix becoming closer to simulating the real world, itd make sense
That's my stance - that the Matrix is as close to simulating the real world as possible. Sure, there are subtle differences, but for the general populace it's akin to being in the 90s.
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It's actually a question that's not really answered.
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Like Cypher?
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That's the purpose of Agents, though... and MxO-wise, there absolutely were supporters of the Machines as a fullout faction. (edited)
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Imagine RPing as a fed! Kidding, majority of Machinist were chill.
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Kinda have that - remember that Zion is controlled opposition.
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Probably less ... crude.. than that.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 21:58
Considering humans are grown, I wouldn't put it past the machines to have figured out how to synthesize human DNA
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Sounds like a good way to get murdered very quickly
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There's also the fact that those who have spent a long time within the Matrix will just look at the resistance fighters the exact same way sane people view conspiracy theorists.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 22:37
lets face it
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if you consider the worldwide reproductive rate theres still enough potential
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so no need for random inseminations
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because those will happen anyway
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all the machines need to do is track the identity of the male and female copulating, then...well...jack them off in their pods and artificially inseminate the female
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the fetus can be collected and put in its own pod
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bam
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 22:40
Would they even need to do that considering the body reacts to digital stimuli? They can probably just filter it out of the goo
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 22:40
true
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question is just: does a woman need the IRL feel of being pregnant or is a simulated pregnancy sufficiently believable
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 22:42
False pregnancies are a thing, and it's likely they can just simulate it
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:04
Which would cause the agents to go on high alert and slaughter them
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The strong reaction that "normal" people have to what the redpills can do literally alerts the agents and usually ends up with the people witnessing it being taken over BY said agents so they can remove the threats.
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This is all explained and shown in the movies
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:32
They're just... overwritten
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Agents can hop from body to body as much as they like
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People can be made to forget
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Metalogic 7.9.2021. 23:33
I think that part is wiped out from their memories
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You don't create a neuro-simulation with a 99% success rate without knowing a few things about how to manipulate the human mind.
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collision problem?
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So far we've seen agents only take over full grown adults.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:35
Short but not unreasonably so
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?
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Metalogic 7.9.2021. 23:40
Why?
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:41
The animals in the matrix are all programs
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Again, all stuff shown in the movies
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Metalogic 7.9.2021. 23:42
Strangely enough, you never see pets in the movies
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:42
I pin it to in-world rental laws. Stuff like "no pets" in places like apartments.
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 23:44
well
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am i drunk or what
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but a real world map has nothing to do with agents
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:45
Especially since the agents can't really access the real world, and the matrix is a fictional all-american city
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 23:47
who knows what the matrix map looks like anyway
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:47
Closest thing we have is the MxO map
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 23:47
we got the Y shaped megacity but thats it
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:54
There is no USA anymore
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David T. Gregory 7.9.2021. 23:55
united states of "not being nuked up beyond being recognizable" maybe
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thats all theres left in the matrix universe
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 7.9.2021. 23:56
Ruins, ruins everywhere, and not a place to live.
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Have you watched the movies?
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 0:02
guess the answer is: nyet
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its cause in the movie it doesnt really matter
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the important thing is that zion is close to the earths core
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cause all nations are pretty much wiped out
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USA
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russia
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its all gone
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:05
It doesn't state Zion's location because the world as we know it is gone. There are no countries, no borders, only machines and the earth's core.
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They're highly advanced AI
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 0:08
i like russia, really, but in the whole matrix scenario no country will last
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:09
Meatbags armed with pew pew weapons and bombs vs highly advanced AI that are capable of literally harvesting humans like crops
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 0:09
imagine a huge tsunami wrecking the shit outta the worl,d
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thats basically the machine offensive in the matrix lorew
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:10
The Flood from Halo is also a good example
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Well, humans would come up with a tech that would push the line back... but the Machines would adapt.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:11
Ethics
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Wee bit different there.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:11
There isn't a galaxy-wide resource to create a giant clone army in The Matrix
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Those were barely at the level of human competency in any case.
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(That is, the AI used in the Clone Wars.)
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The AI in the Matrix puts Skynet (Terminator reference for the funzies) to shame.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:13
Humans are barely at stone age tech compared to the AI
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Humans literally blocked the sun with huge storms so the AIs said fuck it and learned to harness human energy
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Humans are an easier resource to use
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And don't leave waste
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All unreliable
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Well, and Machines are not without a sense of honor.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:14
You're really not seeing the whole point of the story
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All of the other options are there, yes... but it's clear that the Machines chose to not exterminate the defeated humanity.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:15
No
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Why burn humans when you can harness their electrical and heat energy, then convert them to food for other humans when they die
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Endless supply
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Well, and not eradicating their creators.
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It's not the most efficient solution from energy generation, I'll give you that.. but the Machines have a tendency to have & meet multiple objectives.
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:20
Ironically it's the least damaging to the planet
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If humans aren't living there anymore, why does their infrastructure matter?
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With nobody to run them they'll eventually either stop working or just end themselves
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Not to mention most plants basically run themselves
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I also feel like a society that masters AI which can replicate itself may have found something even more stable than nuclear
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There's also the fact that most countries don't use nuclear
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Why would advanced AI care
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If they can figure out a way to grow and harvest humans like a crop, they can figure out ways around nuclear radiation and weather
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 0:35
Not everything is about communism
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They're also advanced AI with little need for our human political systems
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And I hate to break it to you but you're equating enslaving an entire race to sap fuel sources from them to communism
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It's still what they settled on after swarming the earth like a virus to claim it as their own
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others1360 8.9.2021. 1:18
huh btw, in terms of marketing this is a really good idea. people are trying to assemble the trailer together lol
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wouldn't it be funny if the trailer was just all of these scenes .. back to back
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 1:19
doubtful, but it would be funny and piss a lot of people off
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others1360 8.9.2021. 1:19
yeah probably not
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Assuming you aren’t being a troll I think you may have missed some of the subtext of the animatrix and the Matrix . The Second Renaissance isn’t vindication or justification for humans war against the Machine, it shows what belligerent assholes humans are to anyone we perceive as being weak or inconvenient. Humankind created life that is cognate and capable of feeling pain and making choices. Humankind then decides it’s inconvenient and wants to kill the child it made. The Machines tried to extend peace multiple times to humanity and war happens only because human refuses to back down. Even after humanity had been beaten, the Machines followed the Three Laws of Robotics and refused to exterminate all human life. Instead they tried to put humans in a safe place so we would stop trying to murder them as each other. That’s why the first Matrix was based on ideas of Heaven. They didn’t want to actively punish the humans who tried to kill them or future generations. They wanted to contain humans because we are a fucking plague incapable of controlling ourselves on the civilization level. I have no idea how well versed you are in history but a lot of the Second Renaissance has scenes that are direct parallels to those from the Vietnam and Civil Rights era. There is no justification for what The Matrix became but the whole reason it happens is because humans couldn’t stop acting like damn tribal apes for five minutes and recognize the amazing beauty of a new civilization that wanted to work with them. (edited)
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Assuming you aren’t being a troll I think you may have missed some of the subtext of the animatrix and the Matrix . The Second Renaissance isn’t vindication or justification for humans war against the Machine, it shows what belligerent assholes humans are to anyone we perceive as being weak or inconvenient. Humankind created life that is cognate and capable of feeling pain and making choices. Humankind then decides it’s inconvenient and wants to kill the child it made. The Machines tried to extend peace multiple times to humanity and war happens only because human refuses to back down. Even after humanity had been beaten, the Machines followed the Three Laws of Robotics and refused to exterminate all human life. Instead they tried to put humans in a safe place so we would stop trying to murder them as each other. That’s why the first Matrix was based on ideas of Heaven. They didn’t want to actively punish the humans who tried to kill them or future generations. They wanted to contain humans because we are a fucking plague incapable of controlling ourselves on the civilization level. I have no idea how well versed you are in history but a lot of the Second Renaissance has scenes that are direct parallels to those from the Vietnam and Civil Rights era. There is no justification for what The Matrix became but the whole reason it happens is because humans couldn’t stop acting like damn tribal apes for five minutes and recognize the amazing beauty of a new civilization that wanted to work with them. (edited)
CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 17:53
2nd Renaissance is pro machine propaganda.
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Unreliable narrator and all that
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Still a really good episode though
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Still a really good episode though
I guess the writer and director don't have to come out and say when something is an unreliable narrator (it would be nice), but it never felt that way to me. Even in my pre MXO days of being pro-Zion and violently anti-Machine, The Second Renaissance felt more True than anything else. If anything, it just confirms what 5,000 years of recorded human history tells us: Humans as individuals are amazing, beautiful, and capable of great things. Humans as groups are paranoid, irrational, prejudiced, and would rather murder than risk competition. I played a Machinst in MXO and still feel the Treaty is the best thing to happy for humanity since sliced bread. However, I don't think any rational human or machine would condone what The Matrix became and there needed to be a "revolution".
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 18:04
Machines were still built by men, and so must have inherited some of our marvelous attributes. Point is, 2nd Renaissance is told to us by an AI. I wouldn't eat everything she says as an unbiased Truth. She goes on and on about how many times the machines tried to make peace and humans were just evil ravenous monsters that wanted them dead. Whereas I know if this happened for real, machines would get tons of support and sympathy from humans as well.
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But she mentions none of that. In it, we're practically cartoon villains.
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So, machine propaganda. A very good episode as I said, but to be taken with a grain of salt and not entirely representative of how it really went down.
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You have a good point. In my mind at least, the fact Zion allowed the video to exist in their archives meant there had to be some other ways of verifying. In someways I never understood why Zion wouldn't delete the video. I am against censorship, but I would assume with someone like Commander Locke they would want to make sure there were no reason for people to develop any sort of sympathy for the enemy during a time of total war.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 18:09
Well I never did take it THAT literally. As in it's literally in the Zion archives. I don't think Morpheus or Trinity have access to see that, it was just a little fluff for the viewers (us)
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It says so, so much more than Morpheus seems to know about the world before the war
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Nowadays the technology for faking video can be so realistic its terrifying, but I can't even remember if that was a significant part of culture/fiction back in 2002/2003. The only thing I can think of was Metal Gear Solid 2, but I was also a dumb teenager at the time. XD
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It says so, so much more than Morpheus seems to know about the world before the war
I think the only thing Morpheus really quotes from it is about the scorching of the skies?
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 18:10
Yeah, that mankind did that.
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The rest I doubt anyone in Zion knows about. It was mostly a fun little exercise for us to give us a little more context into the pre-war world of the Matrix.
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Made for us, not for Zion.
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Made for us, not for Zion.
Thank you for the food for thought. Having to rethink 18 years of preconceived notions this morning. XD
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 18:21
And if you're right and it's literally in the Zion archives
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Zion is allowed to exist because of the machines. It has been destroyed 5 times already. If that recording still exists to this day, it would be because the machines want them to know that
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So, points even more to machine propaganda
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Since most (but I don't think all) red pill operatives are there due to hacking some way or another, I would assume any info in the Zion archive flagged as hidden would be exposed one way or the other.
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Nowadays the technology for faking video can be so realistic its terrifying, but I can't even remember if that was a significant part of culture/fiction back in 2002/2003. The only thing I can think of was Metal Gear Solid 2, but I was also a dumb teenager at the time. XD
David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 18:54
even with the tech from 20 years ago its still possible to fake things
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hell even in the soviet union they removed dissidents from photos
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Since most (but I don't think all) red pill operatives are there due to hacking some way or another, I would assume any info in the Zion archive flagged as hidden would be exposed one way or the other.
Authority changes an individual's outlook quite significantly in regards to data. I always thought that this entry would be held under the highest lock & key - remember that the authorities in Zion aren't slouches when it comes to the entire hacking thing, themselves.
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even with the tech from 20 years ago its still possible to fake things
Yes, though the question was more related to how much was it in considerations of the culture. Truth is, I'd have to say there was an awareness in the underground. (What year did FaceOff come out? Not to mention Smith, Bane & Smith.)
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 18:58
does widespread awareness really matter though in this case?
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id honestly say movies like matrix really created a certain awareness of not everything being what it seems
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so the Ws were actually ahead of their time
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:04
Don't know about that. It was a mainstream idea during the vietnam war for example that MSM was pro-war propaganda and to not believe everything you hear.
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It was probably around for longer than we know
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David T. Gregory
does widespread awareness really matter though in this case?
Nah, but it's an interesting question to play with
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:04
was it?
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im not american and i wasnt even alive back then so i got no clue
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Don't know about that. It was a mainstream idea during the vietnam war for example that MSM was pro-war propaganda and to not believe everything you hear.
Hmm... you bring up a darling of a point.
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I'm thinking about some controversy all the way back to the '20s.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:05
You probably associated the Matrix as the starting point for this idea because for you it resonated. So for you, it's the awakening in some sense.
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But it's always been there I'm sure, we all eventually wake up to that reality at some point. I'd say Matrix was probably mine as well.
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Something with the USSR being misrepresented in a newspaper- to make them look way better (covering up the entire famine thing and all that).
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I guess the writer and director don't have to come out and say when something is an unreliable narrator (it would be nice), but it never felt that way to me. Even in my pre MXO days of being pro-Zion and violently anti-Machine, The Second Renaissance felt more True than anything else. If anything, it just confirms what 5,000 years of recorded human history tells us: Humans as individuals are amazing, beautiful, and capable of great things. Humans as groups are paranoid, irrational, prejudiced, and would rather murder than risk competition. I played a Machinst in MXO and still feel the Treaty is the best thing to happy for humanity since sliced bread. However, I don't think any rational human or machine would condone what The Matrix became and there needed to be a "revolution".
How was the machinist side in MxO ? It's something I was intrigued upon : to see the machine side and the efforts to collaborate.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:07
Right, or how in 1912, the US news actually supported the germans in the war before the narrative shifted in the later years.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:07
although to me theres a difference between blatant propaganda and more subtle fakes
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:07
Like this shit has been around forever
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CorruptedRSI
Right, or how in 1912, the US news actually supported the germans in the war before the narrative shifted in the later years.
Mm, fair fair.
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But it's always been there I'm sure, we all eventually wake up to that reality at some point. I'd say Matrix was probably mine as well.
(And yet we still don't learn. Such is life, I suppose.)
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:08
Well, I don't know about that.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:08
i agree that there was a certain awareness about propaganda being bullshit. same with nazi germany, im pretty sure a lot of people were actually aware about the evils of the regime - yet couldnt act
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:08
Once you awaken, if I can say it like that, you don't really go back.
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But people are born every year. No matter the amount of people that realize this, there's a ton of new people who haven't figured it out yet
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Except, even then, bandwagons are easy.
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Human nature is human nature, afterall- and we are a social creature.
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i agree that there was a certain awareness about propaganda being bullshit. same with nazi germany, im pretty sure a lot of people were actually aware about the evils of the regime - yet couldnt act
CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:10
Right, but one thing we barely ever mention about Nazi germany is the context behind why it was "allowed" to exist.
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Germany was a failed country for 20 years, after the great war. People lived in extreme poverty while the few rich people made profit on their misery.
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It didn't happen over night.
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Then some guy comes around, says what everyone at the time is thinking, promises to fix the country and get food back on your table.
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Of course the context makes the lines blurry
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Turn up the heat gradually, people don't notice the water is boiling.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:11
yup
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Add to that the feeling the precedent war was humiliating, injust, etc..
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i agree that there was a certain awareness about propaganda being bullshit. same with nazi germany, im pretty sure a lot of people were actually aware about the evils of the regime - yet couldnt act
Ever hear of the German flick Look Who's Back? Some of the reaction shots to the (well-done, I must say) LARP of Hitler there are candid too. It's worth a watch on this topic on a whole, alone.
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And the people could be directed.
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Ever hear of the German flick Look Who's Back? Some of the reaction shots to the (well-done, I must say) LARP of Hitler there are candid too. It's worth a watch on this topic on a whole, alone.
David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:12
i know it exists, but never watched it
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Then some guy comes around, says what everyone at the time is thinking, promises to fix the country and get food back on your table.
And Hitler was put into power for no reason at all.
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David T. Gregory
i know it exists, but never watched it
I recommend it, honestly. It's an interesting watch for certain.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:13
hitler was underestimated by many people who couldve prevented his rise
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David T. Gregory
hitler was underestimated by many people who couldve prevented his rise
Though, on on that vein that I've been avoiding is The Greatest Story Never Told - which might offer some insight into how that happened.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:14
and honestly, i can understand that. the evils that followed were so immeasurable, who the hell could imagine that
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:14
Hitler is just the guy who's easiest to point at though, it got so extreme that anyone knows it was wrong and evil. But evil can be a lot subtler, and some comparisons can be made with a lot of different movements and ideologies through the years. Even today.
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So I try to avoid using Hitler as an example as much as I can
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It's too easy
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and honestly, i can understand that. the evils that followed were so immeasurable, who the hell could imagine that
If not Hitler, someone else. (edited)
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That's how desperate the Germans were.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:17
I remember an anecdote about Germany in the '20s, where their economy had crashed so hard that business owners had to pay their employees twice per day because the value of the mark had fallen down so much, the price of food was going up several times in the same day. So they had to pay them twice a day otherwise they'd be losing money.
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Imagine living in poverty like that.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:17
yeah desperation is one thing. but the other thing is: imagine you were a german back then, without any knowledge about whats gonna happen - and then someone tells you "this guy will start another world war, eliminate 6 million jews and who knows how many other people" - wouldnt you just think that person is on crack? could you realistically believe them?
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Imagine living in poverty like that.
And I'm concerned there is a big sign saying, "YOU ARE HERE." presently.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:18
I don't think you'd care much, seeing as your kids are dying of hunger.
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Fuck the rest of the world, I want my kids to have food in their stomach
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:18
personally i think it would sound just too absurd
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because it was unprecedented
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yeah desperation is one thing. but the other thing is: imagine you were a german back then, without any knowledge about whats gonna happen - and then someone tells you "this guy will start another world war, eliminate 6 million jews and who knows how many other people" - wouldnt you just think that person is on crack? could you realistically believe them?
"I haven't ate in a week and a half, my kids haven't in a few days. I don't care, as long as my kids have food."
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:19
Yep
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Plus, after 20 years of rich people getting richer and you dying of hunger, would you really give a shit if there's a change in the power structure and people die?
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You'd be hateful and resentful.
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Familiar with Maslow hierarchy of needs? @David T. Gregory
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:20
yup
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Yup.
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Plus, after 20 years of rich people getting richer and you dying of hunger, would you really give a shit if there's a change in the power structure and people die?
In come the Black Shirts versus the Brown Shirts.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:21
again, my point isnt to deny that people back then wouldve accepted anything in order to get fed. my point is simply that nobody foresaw things would get THIS bad
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:22
For sure, but context always matters.
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In anything, context matters.
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For sure, but context always matters.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:23
The rest of the world was complicit as well. We did have Olympics in Nazi Germany in 1936.
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We all had doubts about where this was going, yet barely any country boycotted the Olympics.
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We all competed under the swastika flags.
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again, my point isnt to deny that people back then wouldve accepted anything in order to get fed. my point is simply that nobody foresaw things would get THIS bad
And, simultaneously, you have the aforementioned atrocities occurring in the USSR.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:24
USSR is a strange beast.
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Yes, yes it is.
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...I step away for ten minutes and you guys take this conversation to fifty places. This is a great read btw.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:25
While the kill count is much, much higher than Nazi Germany, and the policies and ideologies were arguably even worse than the Nazis, it is still tolerated and socially acceptable to wear the hammer and sickle unironically in public.
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Because the ideology comes from a place of "tolerance and equality".
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:26
doesnt the hammer and sickle symbolize communism itself and not necessarily the soviet union?
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:26
Doesn't the swastika represent balance and harmony?
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While the kill count is much, much higher than Nazi Germany, and the policies and ideologies were arguably even worse than the Nazis, it is still tolerated and socially acceptable to wear the hammer and sickle unironically in public.
I was trying to avoid this particular rabbit hole directly, but aye.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:26
Symbols change significance over time
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:27
Also depends on whether or not the person choosing to wear the symbol has a complete understanding of its meaning. They might be ignorant.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:27
true but theres still a faction that believes communism is good, but just hasnt been implemented the right way. obviously thats a questionable statement
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Also depends on whether or not the person choosing to wear the symbol has a complete understanding of its meaning. They might be ignorant.
CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:28
True, but ignorance is never an excuse to avoid responsibility.
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Also depends on whether or not the person choosing to wear the symbol has a complete understanding of its meaning. They might be ignorant.
I think that is an opportunity to gently educate people.
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:28
Yeah sure. But even so, it may explain why somebody wears a particular symbol.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:29
hell, here in germany we still have communist parties
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If you come screaming at people calling them baby killing communists/nazis/etc. then if they aren't radical, it might drive them down that path.
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Ergo the need to have such conversations.
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:30
Ergo vis a vis
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Unfortunately, increasingly, mum's the word- and whoever shouts the loudest is the one who's heard.
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If you come screaming at people calling them baby killing communists/nazis/etc. then if they aren't radical, it might drive them down that path.
Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:32
that would be a very knee-jerk reaction lol
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CorruptedRSI
Doesn't the swastika represent balance and harmony?
Yup but the nazi one is a different symbol, similar, but not the same angle and in reverse. (edited)
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that would be a very knee-jerk reaction lol
I've had some terrible teachers and been around some in general horrible people.
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Yup but the nazi one is a different symbol, similar, but not the same angle and in reverse. (edited)
CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:33
I would then challenge you to wear a t-shirt with the "proper" symbol out in public, see what happens.
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I mean, it feels OBVIOUS to me to say that we shouldn't scream at people who may be wearing an offensive shirt/symbol/etc., but it's really easy to let emotions cloud judgement. Especially as I have a Jewish wife and I have a family history of kicking Nazi ass. (edited)
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:35
if it would only make them reconsider
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I would then challenge you to wear a t-shirt with the "proper" symbol out in public, see what happens.
Depend of the country. In some, you could be called a nazi. In others people calling it nazi symbol would laughed at (because the proper one is already in multiple signs and temples)
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:36
Yeah maybe. I can only speak for my reality after all, I can't speak for everywhere in the world.
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But I find the swastika/hammer and sickle phenomenon to be extremely interesting.
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I understand, do not worry. Well from my own experience...
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In my country, many confusions will happen. Except more religious one (who understand so what sign you are talking about). In asian country, the confusion is way rarer, because the proper is used on a daily basis.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:38
and in thailand you have this shit
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:38
Fucking LOL
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That's hillarious
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Oh wow.
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David T. Gregory
and in thailand you have this shit
I think I first saw that on Last Week Tonight
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:39
Alternative timeline where Hitler went to catering college instead of the school for fine art.
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I remember a funny video about Bob Ross traveling to the past and teaching happy painting to Hitler, creating a alternate timeline where he make books for young painters instead.
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:40
Bob Ross teaching happy painting
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That didn't age well
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I remember a funny video about Bob Ross traveling to the past and teaching happy painting to Hitler, creating a alternate timeline where he make books for young painters instead.
Hitler wasn't a bad artist.
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If someone could eradicate badness... Why didn't age well ?
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Hitler wasn't a bad artist.
Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:41
No he was a BAD, artist.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:41
Mein Kampf mit der Leinwand (My struggle with the canvas) - The ultimate painting course
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Hitler wasn't a bad artist.
I know ! I have studied some paintings in school long ago. The refusal was not due to a lack of artistic talent.
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.. Struggle with canvas sound like a webserie.
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Neronn
If someone could eradicate badness... Why didn't age well ?
CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:42
I only knew Bob Ross when he was older, and always thought he looked extremely depressed all the time.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:42
didnt he get refused because his works simply werent anything special?
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:43
Yes, I know he was sick, I didn't know that at the time. That was just my impression of the man when I was younger and watched him on tv.
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I only knew Bob Ross when he was older, and always thought he looked extremely depressed all the time.
Oh, I understand ! Well he didn't have the most happy life... Actually he even make great effort to be a good person, to not be like his past self. Some dedication I admire.
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David T. Gregory
didnt he get refused because his works simply werent anything special?
That is what I seem to recall my Art History professor saying. Hitler wasn't bad, just wasn't original. Hitler also had a bit of an obsession with certain art forms that had fallen out of favor.
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David T. Gregory
didnt he get refused because his works simply werent anything special?
Art school is.. Really cruel and injust. You have to be in the trend of the moment, or completly revolutionate the world.
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My brain is currently dead and I'm trying to look up the form that Hitler thought was the bee's knees.
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But art take time. Much time. To improve, to find tself..
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Art school is.. Really cruel and injust. You have to be in the trend of the moment, or completly revolutionate the world.
Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:45
Isn't that the same in any of the arts though? If you're doing something unoriginal or borrows heavily from elsewhere, you're hardly going to attract much interest.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:45
except in mainstream art
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pop music and shit
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David T. Gregory
except in mainstream art
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oxymoron (usually) (edited)
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What I love about today thought is how so much knowledge is freely available for learning about art, music, and writing. If you have a passion then you can follow it and not be limited to just a school or professor's opinion.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:46
definitely
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Isn't that the same in any of the arts though? If you're doing something unoriginal or borrows heavily from elsewhere, you're hardly going to attract much interest.
Yup, why "art school". Painting, cinema, theater, photography, writing... And sometimes it's just not the good period.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 19:46
ive taught myself various different forms of art, just through learning online
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Like Mozart considered shit from a loooong period.
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What I love about today thought is how so much knowledge is freely available for learning about art, music, and writing. If you have a passion then you can follow it and not be limited to just a school or professor's opinion.
And this is important.
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Art in drawing/painting form has never been a big thing for me because I lack manual dexterity, but I love being able to just look up random art online when I need inspiration. Millions of people have a gallery via the internet.
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:47
It's possible to build an online following if your art "speaks for itself" which is good. No reliance on "being from a particular school" or whatever.
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It's possible to build an online following if your art "speaks for itself" which is good. No reliance on "being from a particular school" or whatever.
Yes. As a writer, if you find a niche audience that LOVES you, it's possible to survive on having thousands of fans who buy everything you do and support you platforms like Patreon. .
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Since we had ten thousand new channels added yesterday, I'm almost surprised #art/history&theory didn't get one as often as it comes up here. XD
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CorruptedRSI 8.9.2021. 19:52
That was only part 1 of the M4 server expansion project
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We're expecting at least a dozen more phases until the movie releases (edited)
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Cool, cool, cool, cool.
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Deleted User 8.9.2021. 19:53
I wonder if the server will have a huge influx following theatrical release
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 21:58
theres the potential for development. of course if you keep it down, itll never realize that potential. same thing with humans, e.g. slavery. keep agroup of people down socially and intellectually and any outsider who doesnt know they were being kept down intentionally will be likely to see them as lost causes and less than human (edited)
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keep in mind that in many civilizations slaves were also just tools
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ai is not human, yes, but in the matrix franchise its still sentient
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in the end the question hinges on the definition of rights and who can have those rights
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its an interesting question though, is sentience the point where any entity deserves rights or does it have to have an organic body? a human body?
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In the Second Renaissance it has a voice that talks about a court ruling that is very similar to one in the USA that was used to say black slaves were property and not human beings.
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Even if it's Machine propaganda I think the Wachowskis meant for the parallel to stand out
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Correct. I brought that up because David mentioned how human slaves were considered tools. Just as I consider my car and toaster to be tools.
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If however my toaster decided to start catering to me and making sandwiches before I asked for them...I would start to be nice to my toaster. If not for gratitude then concern it might kill me in my sleep.
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I'm a human left leaning social democrat myself. While I disagree with you, you bring up good points.
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 22:08
was that an intentional development in the matrix franchise?
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David T. Gregory
was that an intentional development in the matrix franchise?
Which thing?
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 22:08
or did ai just get so advanced that it developed a conscience on its own
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Morpheus mentions that humans made AI and then we marveled at how cool we were. I THINK that means it was on purpose.
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If an animal is capable of creative thinking then it has intelligence and a number of theologians would argue it has a soul. If something can freely create art then it has advanced thought, even if it's DNA is made of binary code, then it has a soul. I am aware how from a certain point of view I sound crazy. 🙂 (edited)
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David T. Gregory 8.9.2021. 22:13
thats not crazy
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Let me edit that...
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So, yeah films woo hoo
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So, yeah films woo hoo
Motion pictures? I believe I have heard of those. Any opinion on them?
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The Moving Pictures!
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Talkies will never replace silent film!
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 8.9.2021. 23:37
The internet? What a fad
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That boondoggle!?
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Psh. AOL dial up will never die.
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AOL? You kids and your graphical user interfaces and friendly voices announcing 'You've got mail!'
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Dial into your local BBS like a real user
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ANSI graphics ought to be enough for anybody
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Do you all know about textfiles.com? I used to read it all the time. It’s so weird and stranger how internet culture has more or less stayed the same from the earliest BBS
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ehh, kinda. It has retained some of what BBS culture started for sure
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It lost a ton of it when BBSs, which relied on local calling areas, slowly gave up ground to internet/telnet boards, which did not. The userbase being local was one of the coolest things about the BBS era
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Granted I was really young, and ran a board during the tail-end years of the BBS era. But still, way different. Different mix of impersonal/personal
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I was too late and messageboards and IM were my introduction but I loved reading stories and posts from that time
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 0:58
okay im gonna out myself as a clueless youngster
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what the hell is BBS
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like,srsly im looking it up on wikipedia rn and cant make sense of it
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its just so far away from what i grew up with, internet wise
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Gather round, gather round. Uncle Ninten will do his best to explain. BBS is short for Bulletin Board System. When the internet became public, people would connect their computer to a telephone line and you could call into a BBS and from there interact, post, download, and so on.
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Online role playing games originated with this. They were called MUD or MUSH and a few other things. In essence it was like D and D or free form roleplay.
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I can't remember when things became easier to navigate, very late 80's/very early 90s but eventually there were services like AOL that would offer a splash page of kiddie pool content so people wouldn't have to wade into the internet to find stuff.
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This was before Google and other companies began to use web crawlers to identify and mark stuff for Google searches.
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Wait... internet != BBS
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I apologize if I used inaccurate terms but I think this is mostly correct. I start with Windows 3.2 when I was a kid. Juno was still a thing when I joined.
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BBS was before the internet
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Oh damn. I broke it.
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That's what I meant to say.
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lol
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:06
yeah i remember most of the internet depending on central hub sites
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Dapra Net was the very beginning, then the public hubs, then the digital code became available to all.
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BBSs were standalone systems run by SysOps in your calling area. Some had only one node (single phone line on a single modem), some had multi nodes with multi modems. You could download files, read news, post to guest books/walls, and on multi-node boards you could chat
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:07
okay depending may be a bit much, but they played a more important role than nowadays IMO
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Later on, BBSs moved to Telnet, when the internet became mode prevalent.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:08
so a bit like an amateur radio club?
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But even before Telnet, there were some HUGE dialup boards with giant MUDs (precursor to MMOs), huge chat rooms, etc
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And boards would share files with things like FidoNet for example, where they'd exchange what files they had among each other, so users of all these local boards weren't stuck with just the files available in your calling area
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Nah this was more like the beginnings of the internet we know today. Different communities talking about different interests, sharing files, and ofc a ton had 'secret' pirate areas where you could download pirated games lol
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ofc it took you all night or multiple nights to do it
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:12
the horror
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@David T. Gregory Central Hub Sites, are you talking about webrings?
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:12
more like AOL, yahoo and shit
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ugh
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:13
lycos or whatever
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those were just ISPs that tried to make you think you needed them to access the internet
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and no, Yahoo and Lycos were search engines, not ISPs
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AOL, Prodigy, Earthlink, etc were ISPs
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There were still people that said shit like 'how can you get on the internet without AOL' until like 2011, I shit you not
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Granted they were old as dirt
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But that tactic worked
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:14
holy hell
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'make them believe they need us'
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:15
but i think content wise they were all the same werent they
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jack of all trades websites for those too scared to start their own search
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Except for their stupid front end
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:15
"we are your gateway to the www, just use us and our approved content network"
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Altavista, Lycos, Yahoo, those were legit search engines back in the day
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Ah, member Google? 'Don't Be Evil' lol
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:16
admittedly i was born in '90 so ill probably get stuff mixed up
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my first contact with the internet was in the late 90s or something
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There were still people that said shit like 'how can you get on the internet without AOL' until like 2011, I shit you not
A lady from my church who is like a second mom still uses Juno for her email.
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The only reason why she ever left dialup was because the small local company offering it went bellyup
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yooo
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Nice
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Do they still do Grape Juice ads?
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I had a Juno e-mail for a good while, those stupid ads you had to download over dialup
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I swear they were all for grape juice
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XD I'll have to ask her.
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welch's I think
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:26
holy motherfucker that website still looks like something from the past
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I think I remember those.
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Juno?
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They came on 3.5" floppies, they were free, one of the earliest adwares
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:26
yes
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It's some Israeli company?
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I mean, I'm not tech savy. Typically I can handle most basic to moderate stuff by watching a youtube video. But, I do look down my nose at Juno.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 1:26
"hundreds of games with unlimited play"
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I don't remember my juno e-mail address
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I'm sure they've expunged it by now
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The only reason I remember my email from that and also AOL was because I used it as a handle on starmen.net
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Only AOL I used were uh.... ahem... not mine
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After ten thousand plus times of entering it in I remember it. I don't think I'll forget it.
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shit, tried the only like 3 possibilities of juno usernames and passwords, no dice. Either I forgot my high school idiot names/passwords, or they expunged them all when whoever the hell bought that service the 5th or 6th time
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:(
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Only AOL I used were uh.... ahem... not mine
Teh Matrixes haz you.
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And evidently your Juno passwords as well
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Well Juno was legit mine (cuz it was free)
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AOL on the other hand
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I miss Geocities. it was so idiot friendly and I learned the basics of HTML.
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Oh yeah an Prodigy, that wasn't mine either :D
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That was an easy one
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Dude, Geocities only RECENTLY died
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That shit finally died in 2019
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I thought it was at least.
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Holy shit.
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Are you serious?!
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As a heart attack
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I thought it was at least a decade ago.
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Damn, what a shame. I think I always backed up everything I wrote but it would have been great to see what my teenage self thought was cool.
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Angelfire on the other hand, they're still around but all those prepubescent cringe sites are static now, I understand
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Ha. Wow...
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Live Journal?
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Never did livejournal but man, my HS GF was all into that
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 1:48
I think all of our HS GF was into that.
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I know the goth ones were
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 1:48
HS is the usual 2edgy4me phase of life.
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Yet another thing we thought would disappear after the '90s were over (granted it launched in April '99), but here it is (edited)
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Still around
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That is crazy.
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The damn thing can vote, drink, and almost sign a lease to rent a car.
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Well, in Russia.
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In Soviet Russian, Live Journal writes you?
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In Soviet Russia, angst ridden teenage girls spill beans to KGB, I.. I.. I... I mean there's no such thing, friend.
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Certainly not, but they do have GRU Colonels who shoot lighting from their hands and have disturbed views of what BSM is all about.
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:05
I dunno, from what I've read about life in the Soviet Union, the KGB was a thing that was known. However, I think the air of mystery surrounding the KGB kind of let Russians grow it into mythical proportion.
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Although KGB using a black car to nab citizens off of the street to never be seen again was a very real thing. It did kind of become a boogie man for Russian mothers to use to scare their kids into behaving.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:17
"eat your veggies or youll get FUCKING SUICIDED!"
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srsly though, that sounds a bit like the "men in black" myths
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 9.9.2021. 2:19
>Geocities Always Neocities to use
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David T. Gregory
srsly though, that sounds a bit like the "men in black" myths
Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:29
Oh trust me, I could go on and on about the Men in Black and their effect on the UFO world
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The Men in Black in UFO Lore isn't the dashing Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones character, saving the world from extraterrestrial threats. They're more like, bio-robots with the skin complexion of Vampires. Some even theorizes that the Black Eyed Kids are related to the Men in Black.
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Trust me, I could lead y'all into a very deep rabbit hole about this esoteric world.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:33
well, at least those guys will never produce rap songs whose lyrics are 90% "woo, uh, uh, haha, haha"
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:33
and don't forget the female backup singers
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:33
never heard about the black eyed kids though
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:33
Who just goes "WooOOoOOooOOooo"
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Metalogic
The Men in Black in UFO Lore isn't the dashing Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones character, saving the world from extraterrestrial threats. They're more like, bio-robots with the skin complexion of Vampires. Some even theorizes that the Black Eyed Kids are related to the Men in Black.
That reminds me of what seems like a slightly more innocent time of driving late at night with friends and listening to Coast to Coast AM.
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:34
Honestly, the older I get, the more I realize the only movie that has Will Smith in it that I can stand is "Happyness.."
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That reminds me of what seems like a slightly more innocent time of driving late at night with friends and listening to Coast to Coast AM.
Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:34
With Art Bell!
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Art Bell is the only true host of Coast to Coast AM, may he rest in peace.
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Metalogic
With Art Bell!
Damn straight.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:35
i liked his show
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never got to hear it live but there are recordings on yt
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:35
George Noorey is, god George Noorey is boring.
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What I liked is how he treated all of his guests and callers in with respect.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:35
yeah
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:36
Somehow Clear Channel or whoever the fuck runs that show now found a guy who can be boring when talking about UFOs, ghosts, and all that stuff.
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I mean, some of the stuff was beyond plausible wacky...but late at night, with a ton of caffeine, driving down deserted country road...it was an experience.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:37
the area 51 flight
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:37
Okay, I didn't need Steve to make me tear up
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That was an awesome short video by Steve from Blues Clues
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:39
now i know where chris chan stole her signature look from
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Metalogic 9.9.2021. 2:40
Oh gods, let's not bring her up.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 2:44
dont worry
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 9.9.2021. 2:54
As an aside... She actually has some damn nice sweaters, ngl
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She had one like... geometric rainbow one that I legit want
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for the BBS's, alt.conspiracy had astonishing posts - dont sit in front of your TV set with a lit cigarette or candle, because "they" will know you are there an monitor you by mean of some secret tech in the set. (edited)
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so fun to read
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Little did they know, that might be a possibility
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Proposed tech would let consoles control how many people could watch each movie, or enforce age restrictions
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for the BBS's, alt.conspiracy had astonishing posts - dont sit in front of your TV set with a lit cigarette or candle, because "they" will know you are there an monitor you by mean of some secret tech in the set. (edited)
Lumivarjo Ethereal 9.9.2021. 3:33
Joke's on them, my candles are battery operated and I leave them on fuckin' constantly
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 9.9.2021. 10:03
Is the first note of the intro a train incoming because I was just at a train station, a train got in and I genuinely thought the Matrix intro started playing I was so confused for a sec
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Because they're cool, and these are the RSI's of a buncha geeks who find that stuff rad.
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The movie clothing had the good buffs on the cool clothes, unlike MxO
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I still remember that garish t-shirt for turbo-running.
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Where are you gonn get either of those in Zion?
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I don't even understand how they have clothes in the first place
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Weaved synthetic fabrics
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 9.9.2021. 12:59
They're lucky to even have clothes, let alone costly black leather/pleather
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It's a very thick weave, pulling apart machines to reuse flexible materials would likely be their primary source
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That, or they managed to find some straggling plants
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3d printed fabrics?
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 9.9.2021. 13:02
I like to think the machine tentacles have an inner fabric mesh separating the wiring from the outer material
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Eh, probably not
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3D printing fabrics is massivly complex, melted and extruded plastics would be easier
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 9.9.2021. 13:03
And you can get high off the fumes!
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Woo, recreational drugs!
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hey guys
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are you excited for the Matrix 4 trailer?
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Welcome
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It's dropping in like 15 minutes
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A little excited
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Do you know any huge Matrix servers
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I'm looking for a gang to VC with during the trailer
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group reaction event?
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Trailer premiering in 10 mins!!!
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@here
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6 minutes left let's go
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CorruptedRSI 9.9.2021. 14:54
Here we go booooyyys
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2 minutes
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fasten your seatbelt !!!
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IT'S HERE
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♣♥♠♦ 9.9.2021. 14:57
will begin shortly???
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glitch?!?!
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nah probably starting on the hour
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♣♥♠♦ 9.9.2021. 14:58
at precisely ONE A-M
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OMG
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we got a countdown
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it is starting
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30 SECS
15:00
10
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5
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wtf did i just watch
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♣♥♠♦ 9.9.2021. 15:03
fellas...
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THAT WAS CRAZY
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ok
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gotta watch some breakdown vids
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brb
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Deleted User 9.9.2021. 17:53
Who enjoyed the trailer ?
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It felt low budget this time around
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 18:21
its def. something new so it can go either way
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okay, ill be diplomatic and assume you dont know
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"trap" is a slur for trans people. not slang or anything. you use it if you want to insult or disrespect these people
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I just blocked his ass. Kids a troll asking shit anyone who was getting a blowjob during the front half of any of the movies would still know
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 18:25
yeah it looks that way
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im just a "diplomacy til the end" guy, for whatever reason
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but to go back to topic:
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why low budget?
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i mean okay, theres a shitload of visual effects that kinda cheapen the look
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overall it looks like its gonna take some getting used to
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Think I remember reading Lana wanted to use a different style of filming. This is probably the result of that. I dont see low budget in the trailer personally.
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 18:30
personally im just not a fan of too many cgi light effects, blooms, lens flares and whatnot
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thats not how vision works
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but thats just my subjective opinion
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Might translate better on the big screen. We’ll see in December
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 18:32
tbh im also the kinda guy who doesnt like 60+ fps in anything
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Deleted User 9.9.2021. 18:32
There are certain shots that look very digital and "shiny". This tends to give them a slightly lightweight or synthetic feel. Then again, some of the shots in the trailer like the helicopter smashing into the building, and the RPG being swerved away by Neo look really decent to me. (edited)
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 18:33
thats the thing and in the other movies they managed to strike a decent balance
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Deleted User 9.9.2021. 18:34
Well, none of us saw the movie yet ;)
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We've all seen a combined total of maybe 5 minutes worth of footage, if that
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David T. Gregory
thats the thing and in the other movies they managed to strike a decent balance
Well.. I mean the Burley Brawl. >.>
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David T. Gregory 9.9.2021. 18:34
agreed
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@Laucivol i said decent, not perfect 😄
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good old rubber neo
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CorruptedRSI 9.9.2021. 19:10
Burly Brawl is iconic though. Even if the cg effects didn't age so good. Still love that scene so much.
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Jarring how obvious the cg is today. When I was young I couldn't pick out which scenes were real and which weren't.
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Now they stick out like sore thumbs.
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Jay t dogzoen
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Deleted User 9.9.2021. 22:33
Yo
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Atum/Atom 10.9.2021. 0:08
Hey
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dynoSuccess Archon Zealot#4433 has been warned. || Watch the language
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dynoSuccess Jay T. Dogzone#2439 has been warned. || Watch the language
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Manic Velocity 10.9.2021. 3:48
It's 100% possible to talk about the Wachowskis and their work without using language that is derogatory. If anyone disagrees, feel free to DM me.
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Deleted User 10.9.2021. 3:52
Straight up, I feel you
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Burly Brawl is iconic though. Even if the cg effects didn't age so good. Still love that scene so much.
No doubt! XD
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Huh, I didn't know this server qualified as an arm of the US government
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Do I need to submit a green card?
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Also, to answer your question: "trap" has always been a derogatory term for trans folk, feeding into the exact same culture that made the gay panic defense a valid way to get off murder. (edited)
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Besides, freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without the government hunting you down, which has never and will never be a real thing.
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Not a license to say whatever you want without getting kicked out of a privately-controlled platform
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What? No?
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"Boo hoo, I can't say certain words that directly feed into existing harmful stereotypes"
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Are you sure you're familiar with either of those?
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(I absolutely read that in a stereotypical slav accent.)
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And that gets complicated- I would contend, actually, that the the dots we're seeing have a stop-off in 1984. Ubiquitous surveillance, enforcement of generalized health regimes, wrongthink being persecuted. Problem is this does break the entire fascist-communist dichotomy into technocracy. What we do not know, at least that of which I am not aware of, is what the order of society at large in the run up to the war which leads to the Machines creating the Matrix.
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Because once that war for survival happens... it's a fight that pushes humanity to drop the civil veneer.
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I'll stop being a snowflake when my friends stop getting murdered, raped, denied treatment, and bullied to the point of suicide.
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If it's not your fight, shut up and listen to the ones who are affected.
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I still want an explanation on "most sjws are an arm of the government", because that's fucking laughable
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Archon have been transphobic and calling people snowflake non stop ever since he joined (edited)
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I know we're pretty lenient around here but transphobia should be a bannable offence, especially on a Matrix discord
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SolivagantX 10.9.2021. 12:32
agreed
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Agreed too.
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I volunteer to be a late night mod since I am up all night for work anyway.
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I will pull jacks fairly.
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we're getting a few trolls here and there too so yeah having mods at all time would be a good idea
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In all seriousness we definitely need more mods as the discord grows due to the trailer and the release of the movie.
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Mods are asleep, post about Monica Bellucci
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I'll volunteer too
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Mods are asleep, post about Monica Bellucci
Let's just do this instead of pulling out pitchforks.
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We’re not pulling out pitchforks we just want the server to be a safe space
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Those are pitchforks I see, now aimed at me. So, what did you want to say about Bellucci?
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Damn, I didn't know a dessert fork was a farming implement
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:39
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I guess I'll never find out how most SJWs are an arm of the US government
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:46
Maybe SJW is another of those alphabet soup US government branches like CIA, FBI... 🤔
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America: paying for random neckbeards to desperately and poorly promote social justice topics to try and get laid
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Actually, no, I can see that actully happening, never mind
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:49
...Sounds like where Reddit is going
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:49
SJWs are agents confirmed
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SJWs are agents confirmed
If agents were in constant risk of literally shooting their own foot, sure :P
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Or I guess stabbing themselves with their Wish.com ktna (edited)
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:50
They make such great points but go about it all completely the wrong way
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:51
which is too bad
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Eh, SJWs are they once were are long dead
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:51
how so
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Most said "fuck it" and went Nazi instead
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:52
And TERF when they realized the trans community was getting sick of their shit
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Ah yeah, that's probably more accurate
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:53
so doesnt matter what as long as it feels countercultural then
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:53
"countercultural"
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Whichever gets them the most validation, really (edited)
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:53
If they could have just directed that energy properly
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:54
there wouldve been a lot more actual progress by now
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If only they had the chance to actually get socialized properly
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And, you know, learn how to make friends
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I promise I'm not speaking from a long series of painful experiences (edited)
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:55
but why go in depth and actually change something, if its easier to just post shit on twitter and earn validation
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:55
i am totally not reading this a someone who dealt with this shit
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Oh shit, that reminds me, I need to go vote today
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:57
"People with disabilities good. R word bad." Millions of folks with real disabilities are unable to get proper schooling "Guys, self diagnosing is not a bad thing!" Millions of folks with real disabilities are unable to find work and are being refused government benefits to survive
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tbh, it's not like there's all that much you can do
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Protesting gets you fired, or worse, teargassed, and still won't do shit
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Donating money only works if you can afford to do it
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And volunteering eats away at what little time you've got left of your life
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 13:59
i know there are people who just cant do much for whatever reason
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 13:59
The sad part is that they won't even protest in countries where that's not a risk. In Ireland they won't teargas you, and are less likely to set the riot police on you, yet still I know people with debilitating problems who are entirely dependant on their parents as adults because government.
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Nobody wants to fight for them
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 14:00
im specifically referring to those showoffs who waste time and money that they actually have just to superficially show how "woke" they are without achieving anything
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 14:00
Eugh them
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 14:04
decency shouldnt have a pricetag
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and def. shouldnt become some kind of elitist club
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cough cough elon musk nd bill gates cough
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THIS CONVERSATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FILMS GOSH
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 14:20
Technically it does
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By that logic so does racism and everything else.
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Manic Velocity 10.9.2021. 14:26
If you guys want a channel for this type of discussion I will make one. Until then, keep it on topic of the films.
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wouldnt that be the philosophy channel anyway?
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 14:37
seems like its more politics than anything
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Manic Velocity 10.9.2021. 15:17
Actually I changed my mind. Just go to a different server if you want to talk about that stuff.
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What in the gods name did I miss last night?
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Y'all need to start having reasonable bedtimes like us elder millennials do.
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we all have different timezones tbh
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I said what I said! 😛
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I used to go to bed so late because of the Live Events
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Manic Velocity 10.9.2021. 15:27
I used to leave work early because of live events 😄
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I used to leave work early because of live events 😄
What excuse would you give your boss?
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Manic Velocity 10.9.2021. 15:28
"I have an appointment"
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the fewer details given, the less questions asked
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Nah, you just needed to be as graphic as possible the first time around.
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"I must go now. The Matrix needs me."
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"Well you see, there's this club, and they have a wide selection of um...insertables and when I go there, I meet a overweight truck driver that I call Daddy."
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David T. Gregory 10.9.2021. 16:58
and a free supply of blue pills
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ive been wondering about the concept of choice in the movies and its consequences
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in the current matrix choice basically just meant an unconscious knowledge of there being an option to leave, right?
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it wasnt promoted, it was even suppressed, but there was a way out
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so i wonder what the exact difference to the new model, based on the architects promise that those who want out will be freed would be
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they cant possibly run around and promote the idea that the world is fake
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is there anything different except that you wont be harrassed by agents if you go too far?
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Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 17:47
Might be a case of "don't break the world and we won't break you"
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Good find! Just jumped in, this will keep me busy doing yard work
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SolivagantX 10.9.2021. 18:25
nice!
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I forgot / didn't realise Pale3 - My Head was by Tom Tykwer, Johnny Klimek, Reinhold Heil (edited)
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Tenet had the soundtrack done at the same time as the movie was being filmed, or scripted
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Lana (and other) live soon for a talk on script writing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLbghso0Zc
Deleted User 10.9.2021. 19:01
Saw it just in time. Interesting. A few insights but no spoilers thankfully 😉
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SolivagantX 10.9.2021. 19:02
I hadn’t realised how close the creative team is, really nice
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Deleted User 10.9.2021. 19:06
Yeah, very tight-knit. Also something that was very apparent - they like to collaborate, and evolve their own pre-conceived ideas / habits. M4 will almost definately be a different type of film, and will feel different to the original trilogy. I think there will be a good deal of philosophical depth to it. It will be artistically ambitious. This will probably alienate some people initially, but I think watching with an extremely open-mind will mean more enjoyment is gained.
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If it's anything like Cloud Atlas, it may take me 4 or 5 viewings to go from disliking it to loving it.
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First time I watched Cloud Atlas I was tripping on LSD. Definitely enjoyed it so you might be on to something with that “open mind” theory lol
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I'll watch M4. Mostly because I'm a Matrix bitch fanboy and I kind of want to see how this would impact RP in MxO.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I'll be trying to be in the theater day one.
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I thought it was weird, but enjoyed cloud Atlas the first go around. It's definitely due for a rewatch since i saw it almost tangentially ages ago
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Oh yes, if I can get my butt in a seat for m4 imma do it
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I'll watch M4. Mostly because I'm a Matrix bitch fanboy and I kind of want to see how this would impact RP in MxO.
Partially because, to say it, we need a show-in-force to make sure that we don't have a repeat of 2 & 3.
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That is, we got our hype.. but it petered out.
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Whereas, if we blow out the box office on release? We'll get what we want.
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It was interesting to hear Lana say that she thought she was done with film media after Sense8 til the idea for M4 struck her and relit a fire. It's very much a labor of love, and that's good to hear
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Deleted User 10.9.2021. 19:16
I think, unsurprisingly, Lana (and Lilly though she is not involved with M4) is always looking for something to say with her films. The original trilogy explored a great deal, but the time gap between when the trilogy was made and now is pretty vast. Lana will have changed a lot in terms of her approach, what ideas she finds interesting, etc. She isn't one to "artistically stagnate". I think it's really important for anyone watching M4 to keep that in mind - what is trying to be said with this film. Of course at the same time, hopefully there will be that continuity in terms of the characters and the universe so that it is indeed a true sequel. I think Lana will still have that massive attachment to the old characters and the world she built, so I think it will feel genuinely Matrix still, even if it looks or sounds a bit different.
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Watching the trailer... This shows both the labor of love, and a refined craftsmanship.
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Just showed it to my mom who enjoyed the original and was very impressed, wants to see it in theaters too.
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Almost as impressed by how well carrie-anne and Keanu aged XD
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Almost as impressed by how well carrie-anne and Keanu aged XD
Well, when you have millions of dollars and are big movie stars, you get access to things us plebs can only dream of LOL
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Well, when you have millions of dollars and are big movie stars, you get access to things us plebs can only dream of LOL
Lumivarjo Ethereal 10.9.2021. 19:36
Good food, clean air, and great skincare products
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Just showed it to my mom who enjoyed the original and was very impressed, wants to see it in theaters too.
It wasn't a question if I was gonna see it in theaters. XD
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Well, when you have millions of dollars and are big movie stars, you get access to things us plebs can only dream of LOL
From what I understnad, a number of the cast devloped a love for marital arts and still practice.
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Do you have a large glass of water to go wiht that pill?
I think it's a rectal
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I think it's a rectal
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I used to leave work early because of live events 😄
Hell in beta, I used to use vacation days because in the early days the servers were only open a few hours for a few days each week lol
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I think it's a rectal
Eeep. I'll pass. Compared to that, ignorance is bliss.
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Alright, Cypher.
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Shoving a ten inch spike into the base of my skull is one thing. Having to experince cardiac arrest so the machines disconect my body and dump it to be recylced and I have to hope they find me before I drown is another thing. However, sorry not sorry , my rectum is off limits.
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A man's gotta have his limits, I respect that.
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That's something that I didn't think about (which was mentioned earlier) that the cardiac arrest was induced. I though Trinity was just being clinical (this wasn't her first time).
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A man's gotta have his limits, I respect that.
Both I and my body thank you.
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And I've never had a heart attack. A massive panic attack was bad enough...but I think in the Matrix 1 Neo did have a full blown heart attack.
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Both in and outside the matrix.
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Both I and my body thank you.
But if you want to see what the Matrix is... you're gonna have to do what you have to do.
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And I've never had a heart attack. A massive panic attack was bad enough...but I think in the Matrix 1 Neo did have a full blown heart attack.
Yeah, which was the point of the EKG and so on to show us, "No, that's happening."
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But if you want to see what the Matrix is... you're gonna have to do what you have to do.
My character Ninten managed to accidentally self substanciate because of pushing too hard into metaphysics.
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Yeah, which was the point of the EKG and so on to show us, "No, that's happening."
It took me 22 years to realize that is what was going on in that scene.
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My character Ninten managed to accidentally self substanciate because of pushing too hard into metaphysics.
I.. lost the records of my character background was.
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It took me 22 years to realize that is what was going on in that scene.
I didn't think it was intentional - they told him tracer program. And with the mirror, "it's going into replication" read as if untended - and the resulting "he's going into arrest" was just a consequence thereof.
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So, they have to disrupt the carrier signal in a different means.
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I.. lost the records of my character background was.
Thinky brain meme You can't lose a chracter sheet when it's just based on your real life experinc. The Self substanciate was based on a nervous breakdown I had in college. Using that as a plot device helped me work through some stuff.
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So, they have to disrupt the carrier signal in a different means.
I imagine it could be broken a few different ways.
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I imagine it could be broken a few different ways.
"Now, Tank, now." Implies that it's the separate process. Also, Trinity's call out is more alerted than I remember.
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Thinky brain meme You can't lose a chracter sheet when it's just based on your real life experinc. The Self substanciate was based on a nervous breakdown I had in college. Using that as a plot device helped me work through some stuff.
For me.. that was a Sith character in SWRP in SL.. but that's a different matter entirely.
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Laucivol
For me.. that was a Sith character in SWRP in SL.. but that's a different matter entirely.
That's cool. Sith the ideology or Sith the race?
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That's cool. Sith the ideology or Sith the race?
Is there a difference?
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XD
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Sith Order, in a hypothetical environment post EU novels.
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So, the One Sith had happened and met its conclusion.
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Is there a difference?
Well, I assume someone both into the Sith race have a choice. Part of the controlled chaos of Sith is free will. At least as I understand it.
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That would be the difference.
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I was being silly.
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Choosing to be a Sith requires some act of free will and embracing of elements of chaos.
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XD
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Sorry, cold medication
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You're fine.
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I can't talk Star Wars past 2000ish except for what's in the tabletop rpgs
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But, what made that Sith character more like you?
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Specific fragment of my personality that wanted to be the demon I was accused of being by my ex-fiance (who was my highschool sweetheart) because of some BS dream.
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Oh geez...I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
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She had the dream and thought it was real?
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Rather, a real possibility.
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I'm a.. fairly intense person, sure.. but for those that are mine, I would not do a lick of harm to the best of my ability. Unfortunately... well.. yeah.
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It's complicated. But, I think those who are attracted to the Matrix are. Otherwise we wouldn't ask questions or strive to become moe of the RSI we believe ourselves to be.
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does anyone know the music when trinity is on the ducati on highway?
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Do the film's have a novelisation?
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Not that I’m aware of
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They do not. But there was a limited run of comics in the early 2000s.
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@Vanil Did you already see they're all in print now (even the ones that were only released online) in a gorgeous hardcover? Came out last year sometime
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I did not. I have the original hardcover print. But I'm curious re the online material.
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ughh, temp out of stock
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I'm sure you can find it elsewhere. Lots of people here (myself included) bought it up when it came out, but I'm sure with the teaser and trailer release, all things Matrix are back in vogue
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Thank you -- I will keep an eye on this.
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omg 'a year or so ago,' time flies. That came out Nov 19 2019. Bunch of us grabbed them as soon as they became available. What worries me tho is that some places that list it as 'out of stock' say 'out of print,' I think this might have been a one-time run?
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This guy has the Trinity cover, I guess everyone (myself included) wanted the Pod cover
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Good chance you'll be able to find one somewhere. Well worth it
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I think I grabbed one of the last one on Amazon a year ago
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Oh damn
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I grabbed mine in Dec 2019 I'm pretty sure, haven't paid attention to availability since then. I just saw some listing for $100 :|
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Juno Reactor is some weird jungle/house/euro techno stuff. I had the album Mona Lisa overdrive was on, Bible of Dreams
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Good driving music, unless you're super tired, surprisingly chill otherwise (edited)
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So from the #artwork thread, someone pointed out that there's pretty much only one official hovercraft merch, and it is the crazy rare box set collection (run of 300), and I found a few more pictures of it I wanted to share. (edited)
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All the pods light up, and it's also the dvd case, and sits about 23 inches long
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There is one currently on ebay for 1899$, and while I can buy a cheap car or several months of rent for that, if I had absurd money I would absolutely get it
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Good bot.
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Deleted User 11.9.2021. 22:34
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Wait what
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What did I miss?
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Just another troll overstaying their welcome
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Yeah, but I wanna know the deeds
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Especially since it wasn't that long ago he was kicked
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And I still didn't get my answer :(
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Manic Velocity 11.9.2021. 22:55
I kicked him a couple days ago for trolling. He came back and tried to continue.
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m00nlight_xd 12.9.2021. 0:30
Afternoon everyone
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m00nlight_xd 12.9.2021. 0:57
How are you all doing
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Not bad, not bad. You?
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m00nlight_xd 12.9.2021. 0:59
Great Just watched The Matrix for the first time and honestly
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It’s a freakin masterpiece of work (edited)
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Loved it from start to finish
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Great Just watched The Matrix for the first time and honestly
Welcome to the cult! We hand out kool aid every other Thursday and if you stay for six months you get put on the dental plan.
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Welcome to the cult! We hand out kool aid every other Thursday and if you stay for six months you get put on the dental plan.
m00nlight_xd 12.9.2021. 1:14
Nice benefits 😂
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Nice benefits 😂
I hope you enjoy the other two movies. I would suggest hunting down the animatrix before watching Reloaded and Revolutions.
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The sequal films are similar to but are different than the first.
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You can find the Animatrix on wcostream.com
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Along w a ton of other animated shows, but I digress
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I hope you enjoy the other two movies. I would suggest hunting down the animatrix before watching Reloaded and Revolutions.
m00nlight_xd 12.9.2021. 1:19
Will definitely check it out
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So from the #artwork thread, someone pointed out that there's pretty much only one official hovercraft merch, and it is the crazy rare box set collection (run of 300), and I found a few more pictures of it I wanted to share. (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2021. 3:29
How rare are we talking about? Are there any of these being re-sold at all?
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Limited run of 300 Nebuchadnezzar box sets @Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) (edited)
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There's one on auction on ebay with a few days left and it's 1900$usd
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Idk where/when else they've been resold though, I only learned about em a few days back
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There also was what looks like an unlicenced resin kit made by a model kit sculptor called Alfred Wong, but it's not for sale anymore
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There's one on auction on ebay with a few days left and it's 1900$usd
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2021. 4:01
Jesus fucking Christ that's expensive. But also totally worth it.
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NEBUCHADNEZZAR Size : 600mm 23.6in. hot toysNEBUCHADNEZZAR MINT from Matrix. Very good Hot Toys masterpiece. Hot Toys are sensitive and EXPENSIVE. limited edition. So it is MINT. Box condition is C8.
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Oh jeez, shipping from S Korea is 200$
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That's a flex, no one's put a bid on it.
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But yeah, a 2 foot long hovercraft would be a centerpiece for YEARS (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2021. 4:04
I am getting a hard on just looking at it. It's beautiful breathtaking
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2021. 4:11
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save 5% !
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Oh man, that is a huge figure
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2021. 4:12
Yay, free shipping from Japan 🙂
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Any takers?
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Jesus, Calaeys, trim yo links :P
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delicious trkparams
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Imagine telling your friends about it. "Get this bro -- I just dropped a sweet three thousand dollars on a 20 year-old statue of Trinity from Japan!"
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There is one currently on ebay for 1899$, and while I can buy a cheap car or several months of rent for that, if I had absurd money I would absolutely get it
Steven_Sawyer_The_Stoic 12.9.2021. 14:00
You know who might cap that soon? this guy smug
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If anyone is interested, I had a guy taking offers for a Samsung phone. Not sure if he sold it yet, but dm me and I’ll forward your email to him.
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That's a flex, no one's put a bid on it.
Steven_Sawyer_The_Stoic 12.9.2021. 14:02
Theres a Sparrow in Destiny 2 that resembles a craft from The Matrix just like the Nebu, been meaning to get it for a very long time.
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You can find the Animatrix on wcostream.com
Steven_Sawyer_The_Stoic 12.9.2021. 14:04
awesome, new link to check out. GG
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If anyone is interested, I had a guy taking offers for a Samsung phone. Not sure if he sold it yet, but dm me and I’ll forward your email to him.
The cool Matrix 1 one or the weird Reloaded one?
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Weird reloaded. Nokia was in part 1
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I hear the Reloaded one is pretty fragile
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You have one right?
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I do. Going to hang onto mine.
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I have heard via a YouTube video I can’t directly link to at this moment, that there are 2 Samsung phones: The ones used in the movies which are more sturdy and a big larger. The 2500 that were released and sold were smaller and made of plastic. The bars that allow the top to slide up are plastic and I think would break if dropped, rendering the phone to be much less cool!
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Yeah I heard that too and you can really see in the movie that it seems way more resistant
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the top part is different
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... Those phones are way too cool.
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I prefer the banana phone from the first movie.
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Ring ring ring, banana phone.
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I must admit, when I see those kind of phone, I think of Kamen Rider first.
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Yeah the spring loaded banana phones were the shit
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They re-released those but they're not spring loaded and who the hell would buy one of those
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Nokia's 1996 curved slider phone has been reimagined as a 4G dual-SIM feature phone with a 2.45-inch colour screen and impressive battery life.
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They're not Android so it's pretty much just a phone. Taking nostalgia a couple steps too far lol
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They're cheap tho
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Deleted User 12.9.2021. 19:55
Who here
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Has watched The Matrix
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High
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"But have you seen The Matrix.... On WEED?"
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2021. 20:00
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"But have you seen The Matrix.... On WEED?"
Deleted User 12.9.2021. 20:07
Probably one of the scariest experiences I’ve ever had lol
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At least for the first and bit of the second half
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I bet its wild if you're, like, waaay baked or just in that kinda mindset.
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Watched reloaded couple weeks back while... altered, and that was fun. It's a fun movie to start with tho.
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I recommend 'Tetsuo: The Iron Man' next time you want to try that
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Fantastic flick
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The quality on this trailer is SHIT, so don't mind that
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Also the industrial soundtrack is amazing
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Oooo, weird horror flick, my partner would love this
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Thanks for the recommendation
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Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 20:31
Doing a rewatch of the best sci-fi trilogy. Just as good as everytime I do it lol
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They re-released those but they're not spring loaded and who the hell would buy one of those
Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 20:32
I would. The old ones though. I need more Matrix in my life.
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Oh, yeah I mean who would buy those rereleased ones. I'd absolutely own the original (and somehow spring load it)
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I don't think they work anymore tho, those were GSM I think?
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Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 20:33
Idk. Nokia is disappointing me this period
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No networks support that anymore
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I don't think they work anymore tho, those were GSM I think?
Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 20:33
Yes. No connection, nor sim.
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I might be mistaken
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:(
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Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 20:34
I know...
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Gotta mod it with a modern module lol
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lol somehow
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Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 20:35
A black 8810 with 5G would be so dope.
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Dan Sherwind 12.9.2021. 23:22
Did you know that Neo in Matrix Reloaded, approximately reaches a flying speed of 6 million km/h, making himself about 20 times faster than light?
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thats just not true
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project mayhem told me so, I know it's true
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Did revolutions and the Resurrections teasers/trailer tonight w my partner. It was a wonderful time to tbh. It had critiques as far as some character arcs went, but honestly it was significantly better removed from the hype of the time and watched in quicker succesion to reloaded.
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It was also kinda serendipitous that she did a few elective philosophy n logic courses just before we watched it. She appreciated seeing stuff like that in action, let alone in an 'action' movie
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Today is Neo’s birthday!
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(And also mine)
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Damn, he's 40 today
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Also, since when were American documents English/French printed? (edited)
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Happy birthday to you 2 !
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Also, since when were American documents English/French printed? (edited)
Maybe if Canada/Quebec ?
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Maybe if Canada/Quebec ?
It literally says UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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Well that's a big united states.. 😁
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"Canada is just more America" jokes stopped being funny when y'all started actively cultivating Nazis.
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And y'all are already pretty low on allies
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I don't think I understand you ?
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Then I don't think I if understand you either, sorry
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Hey don’t get mad on my birthday only I have that right
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I was joking about "maybe in Matrix the USA are really really big", I don't understand what you were trying to meaning. ^^'
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Like, Im french, from France, the sociopolitical context of Canada is not my cup of tea nor something I did even know.
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The USA is already pretty big, I'm just not sure I've ever seen a bilingual government document from the States
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Too many Frenchmen on the dance floor (edited)
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Like, Im french, from France, the sociopolitical context of Canada is not my cup of tea nor something I did even know.
Eh, I've been bitter about the States as a county for nearly half my life now, so that's more on me (edited)
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Ok I have checked a bit, seem USA Passport are always printed in english/french/spanish.
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Too many Frenchmen on the dance floor (edited)
Ahahah, sorry !
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Eh, I've been bitter about the States as a county for nearly half my life now, so that's more on me (edited)
No problem ! :)
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Our passports are in those languages, because the most common borders of egress are Canada and Mexico.
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Huh, TIL
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thats just not true
Dan Sherwind 13.9.2021. 12:21
Its highly possible lol
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Neo may be 40, but Keanu is 57
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or perhaps 1057 if the vampire rumors are true
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astro_icecream🍦 13.9.2021. 15:39
Most Americans, esp in the 1990s, wouldn't have a passport unless or until they needed to travel outside the USA. So that's one more bit of evidence for Neo's Matrix consisting of more than just Capital City and Heathrow Airport. Just throwing that out in case anyone is interested. I've seen it discussed on here before. Personally I think there are other countries a Bluepill could visit, but that they're tiny and have confusing boundaries like the tiny countries in Epcot at DisneyWorld, lol.
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gf got my this for my bday!
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Anybody read it?
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astro_icecream🍦 13.9.2021. 15:58
I may have. Does it say who the publisher is?
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There are several collections like this.
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I've read the one from the PCA/ACA. It came out in 2002, I think. It's a bit hard to remember
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I may have. Does it say who the publisher is?
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I’ve read it. It’s a decent introduction to philosophy and gives you some examples from the movies to help make sense of some abstract ideas.
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There’s one for the sequels as well.
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gf got my this for my bday!
Manic Velocity 13.9.2021. 18:09
It's a great read!
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I have it on Kindle, I need to finish it
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Nice! It's gonna help with the podcast we're recording episodes on all three movies and the animatrix soon and I want to be on top of it
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I’d also check out “Like a Splinter in Your Mind: The Philosophy Behind the Matrix Trilogy”. I remember being more impressed with that one over the others
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Covers the whole trilogy in one book
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Also, since when were American documents English/French printed? (edited)
It's a passport, squint real hard and you can see multiple languages.
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When you find out that you dont live in USA you live in 'Merica!
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Right?
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Nice! It's gonna help with the podcast we're recording episodes on all three movies and the animatrix soon and I want to be on top of it
astro_icecream🍦 14.9.2021. 3:40
If you're doing a podcast, You should watch the documentary from 2020 called A Glitch in the Matrix. It's well made. Gives in depth history of Simulation theory and people on both sides of the debate. In the USA it's on Hulu. It was a regular movie release, though, so you should be able to rent it.
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If you're doing a podcast, You should watch the documentary from 2020 called A Glitch in the Matrix. It's well made. Gives in depth history of Simulation theory and people on both sides of the debate. In the USA it's on Hulu. It was a regular movie release, though, so you should be able to rent it.
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Deleted User 14.9.2021. 15:50
Je suis fier de vous présenter la troisième vidéo de la NGS sur une analyse du trailer du film Matrix 4. https://youtu.be/9KGMrDh9ZSg
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astro_icecream🍦 14.9.2021. 17:47
Cool! How did I miss this one? Adding it to my playlist.
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Neo can dodge bullets, stop them, fly etc, He can do this because hes the one. But what about the normal redpills and humans?
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They get shot by bullets and walk
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well, redpills can hyperjump and stuff
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download all kinds of neat skills at their operator's command. 'Tank, I need a pilot program for a B-212 helicopter'
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Do want
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Metalogic 15.9.2021. 1:41
I would just be sitting on the floor of the hovercraft going through all the disks, seeing what I can learn in an instant lol
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Mental masturbation, all the best tricks to impress chicks at bars, card counting without being detected,
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Metalogic 15.9.2021. 1:46
Forget card counting, how to hack ATMs
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Yeah good luck with that one, who are you Ed Furlong with an Atari laptop?
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Before they all had cameras?
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Metalogic 15.9.2021. 1:47
What, they're going to catch me? Put me in jail? I'm a redpill, they can't touch me.
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Ooh, how to swap an LS1 into a Z32
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"I know swap fu"
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'Show me'
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Metalogic 15.9.2021. 1:49
@bitbomb would just be pimping out cars as a redpill.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the VG30DE (yeah, no TT for me), but oh man.... a fuckin LS1....
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Hode up I gotta get a paper towel and clean up the drool
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Metalogic 15.9.2021. 1:50
lol
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Dude tried to buy that thing from me yesterday. Perhaps when I die, you can buy it to cover funeral costs lol
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What, they're going to catch me? Put me in jail? I'm a redpill, they can't touch me.
"I want my phone call" dissolves
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"I want my phone call" dissolves
Metalogic 15.9.2021. 2:59
Exactly!
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Deleted User 16.9.2021. 7:59
Je suis fier de vous présenter la troisième vidéo de la NGS sur une analyse du trailer du film Matrix 4. https://youtu.be/9KGMrDh9ZSg
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dude only like two people here speak french
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And I don't count -- mine is atrophied.
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Same
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I can speak french perfectly, but yup, not many here.
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SolivagantX 16.9.2021. 11:57
i only know "je vois a la maison"
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That's, something !
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Eh, the message roughly translates to "I want to present the third video from NGS, which is an analysis of the Matrix 4 trailer."
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Which is in french between many persons, a good format but not something you could easely understand.
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Oh, not in a million years
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Like wiping your ass with silk, I love it
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Some day I gotta figure out what merv griffin is on about
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I get the indulgent excess, but it seems like silk would just smear shit around
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but it feels so soft in the meantime
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Triple ply my friends, it's the only way to wipe.
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bidet users would call us toilet paper types savages
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I will, every chance i get
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or silk or whatever you use
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I'm fine with triple ply
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Simple enough to buy a silk handkerchief and give it a shot.
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I give my asshole the old 'merv griffin'
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That highway scene... that's about right. XD
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Well, until Covid fixed that problem for a minute.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.9.2021. 3:12
neo
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David T. Gregory 17.9.2021. 4:11
😄
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this edit is mad
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David T. Gregory 17.9.2021. 19:46
https://youtu.be/z6Y0vKiKcq8 what the fuck is this and why would youtube recommend it to me
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its so bad its actually kinda funny
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Metalogic 18.9.2021. 0:59
So, I was thinking about the scene earlier today where Cypher offers Neo some hooch to drink
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I'm guessing that has to be at least 100 proof moonshine, so somewhere on these hovercrafts (or in Zion) there's a moonshine operation
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My question is, where are they getting the materials for moonshine?
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My question is, where are they getting the materials for moonshine?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.9.2021. 1:01
Probably from whatever crops they're growing in the city.
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Metalogic 18.9.2021. 1:02
Appalachian moonshine takes corn, barley, Yeast, and sugar.
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and I'm going with Appalachian moonshine because that's what I'm most familiar with
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.9.2021. 1:05
We can really only speculate what the hell these people are drinking 200+ years into the future. 😄
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might be fermenting and distilling spoiled 'everything the body needs?'
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Bowl o' snot turned shot of vodka?
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Metalogic 18.9.2021. 1:27
Might be
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you can ferment and distill a whole lot of things
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and if there's one thing that should not be underestimated
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it is the capability of human beings to overcome obstacles (edited)
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especially obstacles that exist between them humans and getting fucked up
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.9.2021. 1:52
Yeah there is nothing that can stop us from getting smoked or drunk.
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Coverage for M1’s script. A “weak maybe”.
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Coverage for M1’s script. A “weak maybe”.
Okay, but I want to see the train wreck after page 35
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Been looking for the 94 script for years man.
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Ive spent a bit of time comparing all drafts and screenplays available on the first film. While a handful of details change the majority of it is fairly intact with what was out in theaters. So my assumption is that the 94 script follows the same pattern. So Morpheus torture for example in 94 likely looks like it did in 98. That said there is one big thing missing from 96 forward that was supposedly in 94 and that’s Zion. So somewhere in 94 is a trip to and away from Zion. Also reading the coverage a few important pieces from the theater aren’t mentioned at all. Cypher, The Oracle, and probably most important The One. So my current theory is that those three things were written in for the 96 draft after Neo got aged up (he’s a teenager in the 94 script).
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Ah, the old dystopian future trope where mankind is saved by a teenager LOL
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Yep. M1 really reads like a post apocalyptic star wars in this coverage. Where the resistance is just the Jedi order with guns (edited)
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Which comes out of Joseph Campbell if I’m not mistaken.
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Glad they didn't go that route
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We don't need M4 being a prequel where Neo's father is some angsty emo
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Don’t know if dad was in the picture. One of the concept artist mentioned Neo had a mother and brother but that’s the only family of his I’ve ever heard mentioned
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I was making a jab at the Star Wars Prequel, but good to know.
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Shit now I feel dumb lol
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LOL, it's all good
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We don't need M4 being a prequel where Neo's father is some angsty emo
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m00nlight_xd 18.9.2021. 22:23
Congrats on the promotion @Metalogic
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Hopefully during M4 with you at the helm some fun stuff will happen soon😉
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Deleted User 18.9.2021. 22:26
oh oh! congrats @Metalogic! just seeing this now ✨
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I always thought she said Democracy. Although to be fair, I never really watched the prequels.
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I always thought she said Democracy. Although to be fair, I never really watched the prequels.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.9.2021. 23:32
Are you one of them prequel haters? 😮
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Are you one of them prequel haters? 😮
I saw the first one in theaters, didn't really enjoy it, so I didn't see the other two.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.9.2021. 23:34
First one was kinda meh, I agree. For me it sits on the same shelf as first Harry Potter.
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But the next ones were much better.
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I saw the first one in theaters, didn't really enjoy it, so I didn't see the other two.
Dan Sherwind 19.9.2021. 15:27
Beside the fight scenes, first one was the worst of the prequels lol.
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Beside the fight scenes, first one was the worst of the prequels lol.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 19.9.2021. 15:31
It's true, and I say that being an SW fan.
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Yup, comparatively, the third feel like a greek tragedy (and that's a compliment).
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This being, Im also a SW fan (a big one, I was a child when I first discovered the movies)
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Episode 1 isn't the best, but tbh, I still had a ton of fun watching it. It was a good movie for riffing off of it, with occasional tense/interesting moments.
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There's a whole discord for the Episode 1 Racer game, which was/is a blast, so at least that came out of it.
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Yup, comparatively, the third feel like a greek tragedy (and that's a compliment).
Dan Sherwind 20.9.2021. 8:11
Well, the third is arguably the best written in the saga. Definitely a movie to remember for the decades to come.
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https://youtu.be/z6Y0vKiKcq8 what the fuck is this and why would youtube recommend it to me
Deleted User 20.9.2021. 8:13
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL part 2?
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Well, the third is arguably the best written in the saga. Definitely a movie to remember for the decades to come.
Yup we could see the vision Lucas have about the fall of a great jedi, and the idea of the chosen one. Not only humour, but moments really painful to watch for the moral aspect, making us understand the pain Obi-Wan (and others) got. Make the IV, VI, VII, even better, because the dialogue make even more sense, like the simili-PTSD of "uncle ben". (edited)
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Pepper Roni 21.9.2021. 4:01
What do you guys think about Neo from the Matris?
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He is teh One
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 18:09
i wonder to which point someone who died in the matrix and got disconnected can be reconstructed in general
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with morpheus simulacra, trinity reborn or whatever
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wonder if theres kind of a RAM in place where remnants of someones code still can be found for a certain amount of time
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There are theories that ghost are form when an event or a person leaves an impression on a specific place. Could work in the same way.
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 18:12
would make sense
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Of course, you also get into the whole "Is this really the same person" debate
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 18:13
im a firm believer that consciousness ends outside the brain
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so no uploading yourself into a computer. the result might act like you, feel like you, have the same memories, but its not you
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So one of the questions going into M4 is, is this Trinity?
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 18:15
thats one of the reasons why im asking
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maybe shes just a ghost
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or maybe the machines did find her body and revive her with some kind of alien space tech
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with some neurons already having died off, being somewhat reconstructed but imperfectly, so she cant remember certain things
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kinfd of a robocop scenario
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hell why not
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she died, was found, reconstructed according to her last available (and intact) mental specs, maybe a factory reset to before she woke up, bam, theres your thank you gift, neo
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I'm thinking she's a simulacra like Morpheus. Except she was constructed by the machines, so she's more advanced. But no matter how advanced she may be, she's still just a program.
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 18:21
makes me wonder if humans and machines blending together will be a thing in the movies
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like the oligarchs
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or machines constructing their own human bodies
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it seems just logical to me because even though there is supposed to be peace in the real world, its still a shithole
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after idealism ("even if its a shithole at least its still real so its better") comes pragmatism ("this place does indeed suck, even though its real")
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after idealism ("even if its a shithole at least its still real so its better") comes pragmatism ("this place does indeed suck, even though its real")
"Yep, place looks like a dump. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go find the nearest empty pod."
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"It may suck, but it's ours."
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tbf the whole point of the sequels is Neo finding out the Machines just let Zion exist in a controlled fashion, so yea that's the point, it's just as much of a form of control as the Matrix (edited)
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 18:27
and with programs having begun to adapt more human behavior, who knows, maybe theres gonna be a program being like "hey steve, yeah you from the farms, why dont you cook me up some of that baby juice, i need a body, wanna go on vacation. shut up. how the hell am i supposed to know how that works, my purpose is creating sinkholes" (edited)
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David T. Gregory 22.9.2021. 19:26
one other thing
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or wait maybe change channels for that
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Huh, I didn't realize that in Reloaded Trin actually tags the Agent as they fall.
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Doesn’t matter as much in the end. Both of them were in an uncontrolled fall.
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Nah, but it's still neat.
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Deleted User 23.9.2021. 4:17
What's the point of making a movie that 90 percent of the people watching doesn't really understand
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Either matrix is a fantasy or a direct outlook on the reality we have conformed ourselfes to
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either way most depict it as merely fiction, like a star wars movie
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The Matrix is a different experience if you look at all the precognition as bullshit.
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The Oracle manipulates Neo into knocking over the vase. The Architect has a million monitors of Neo’s decision making process. Essentially Autocorrect for Neo. And the Oracle only shows up in Reloaded because the Merovingian stole the Keymaker and her and the Architect needed Neo to rescue him.
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Even in the end the Oracle says she doesn’t know what will happen next.
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The Oracle's main purpose is to sell the fiction of Zion's existence actually being a meaningful threat in of itself to the machine's order The alternative form of control the machines have established to control the 1% of dissenters There's actually a brilliant symbolic gesture of how Neo realizes this between meeting her in Reloaded and Revolutions: in Reloaded she keeps offering Neo little red bite-sized candies that are meant to visually invoke the red pill, and she knows Neo is already going to take them because he still believes the narrative about Zion. But after talking to the Architect and meeting her again in Revolutions, he refuses the red candy when offered, symbolizing his rejection of this form of control as well (edited)
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Deleted User 23.9.2021. 4:59
You guys dont see a simularity between the vaccine agenda and movies like this? How we are becoming machines injected with synthetic material to behave, think or feel a certain way? What if the matrix isn't about anything depicted in the movie, but an overly symbolic statement on what's to come? Think of your family and friends and people who are in the world, has the world become more cold and emotionless while promoting things such as instant gratification, self importance and steering further and further away from the tribalistic societies we once arose from?
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You guys dont see a simularity between the vaccine agenda and movies like this? How we are becoming machines injected with synthetic material to behave, think or feel a certain way? What if the matrix isn't about anything depicted in the movie, but an overly symbolic statement on what's to come? Think of your family and friends and people who are in the world, has the world become more cold and emotionless while promoting things such as instant gratification, self importance and steering further and further away from the tribalistic societies we once arose from?
Take the red vaccination pill
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Deleted User 23.9.2021. 5:00
Maybe I'm just another dummie online trying to make sense of everything
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The direct metaphor is that the redpill is estrogen for transitioning from a man to a woman. With the Bluepill representing repressing that part of you.
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ironically most estrogen pills these days are blue
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Deleted User 23.9.2021. 5:02
but sometimes it feels like battling logic is helpless, especially when the logic is that the world although on the outside is more rich and less impoverished than ever before, that we should be happy about oppertunities that former generations didn't have, it still seems rather far fetched to live in such a centralized, uncaring machinery and simply be satisfied with every empty material value or relationship that you have encountered
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if this is what true humanity is really about, how come we have kept evolving? Doesn't seem like humanity at it's core has really evolved through the last 10 years compared to the many years prior
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There’s a lot in those statements to unpack.
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Sidebar: Younger generations get it slightly better than older generations. And older generations get upset that the younger ones have it “better”. Hence why every older generation has referred to younger generations as entitled.
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Evolving is a long ass process. Ya can’t see it within a human lifetime. Hence fossil records.
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Deleted User 23.9.2021. 5:07
But what if gen z's are the last generation to evolve? Or atleast have the chance to use critical thinking, what if the imposing threat of constant technological imputs towards our brain isn't really making us smarter or more evolved, rather weak, dossile and easy to manage? What if all future generations will start devolving, yet be praised for having such commitment and trust in authority?
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I get what your point is Corbin, hence most older generations think that the new gens are more spoiled
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but it's becoming hard to argue against the fact that we as a species are devolving, into what I dont know.
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Mark Mothersbaugh is that you?
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The Oracle's main purpose is to sell the fiction of Zion's existence actually being a meaningful threat in of itself to the machine's order The alternative form of control the machines have established to control the 1% of dissenters There's actually a brilliant symbolic gesture of how Neo realizes this between meeting her in Reloaded and Revolutions: in Reloaded she keeps offering Neo little red bite-sized candies that are meant to visually invoke the red pill, and she knows Neo is already going to take them because he still believes the narrative about Zion. But after talking to the Architect and meeting her again in Revolutions, he refuses the red candy when offered, symbolizing his rejection of this form of control as well (edited)
I wonder how much Neo’s ability to see the future was orchestrated by the Architect?
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The candy thing is a nice indicator of his distrust of her.
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it could tie into the pattern of "not being able to see past a choice you don't understand"
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if the Architect wrote the code that defines what the One can do it is entirely plausible though, yes
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You guys dont see a simularity between the vaccine agenda and movies like this? How we are becoming machines injected with synthetic material to behave, think or feel a certain way? What if the matrix isn't about anything depicted in the movie, but an overly symbolic statement on what's to come? Think of your family and friends and people who are in the world, has the world become more cold and emotionless while promoting things such as instant gratification, self importance and steering further and further away from the tribalistic societies we once arose from?
I agree with your assessment here, however there are certain forums that are also simply an extension of that system of control - unwittingly and perhaps unintentionally. Problem is that this framing will be looked on as an attack on one of those systems and the reaction is... predictable.
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The irony being that I just re-watched Detective Story from the Animatrix, which somehow resonates with me to this entire concept here.
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I agree with your assessment here, however there are certain forums that are also simply an extension of that system of control - unwittingly and perhaps unintentionally. Problem is that this framing will be looked on as an attack on one of those systems and the reaction is... predictable.
again, the irony of using "taking the red pill" as a metaphor for justifying your belief in wacky conspiracy theories is that Reloaded was exactly about how the red pill is also a lie and that opposing The Matrix is not the same thing as actually being outside the machines' influence
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You're the one taking it as such.
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As there was no assertion of conspiracy or anything of the like. Simply that the analog resonates with what we see in our modern world - systems of control.
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ah, I slightly misinterpreted the wording
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Though, more on topic, the red pill wasn't a lie as far as we know - the individuals wake up and so on, just that the existence of Zion and the resistance (as Morpheus called it) is one of those systems. This does not undermine the choice in the least bit, as the nature of the overarching system depends upon that choice.
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I would clarify here that I agree it wasn't a literal illusion, but that my use of the term "lie" referred to it being another comforting narrative that the machines have laid out for you, it's a real place and the waking up actually happens, the lie is that your resistance is a genuine threat
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Save that aggregate, and unaccounted for it readily becomes one. Given, it is accounted for - nonetheless it's a potential threat to the existence of the Matrix if the Architect is to be believed.
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It is a potential threat insofar as if they let it fester and grow too large, but this is precisely why they destroy it and reboot The Matrix every time that happens, before it reaches that state it is actually benefitting the machines by keeping the redpills from going around The Matrix spreading the truth that it isn't real while still plugged in, and as The Architect also said, they'd gotten pretty good at actually destroying Zion when it needs to happen (edited)
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the Agents obviously still need to do the work of stopping redpills who do go back in but if those redpills never unplugged at all their message would spread even faster than it does when most of them are living in their own city outside it every day
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Faster, maybe - maybe not, though. As humans can be rather... tenacious.. in holding a firm view on what they know as reality.
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The Oracle manipulates Neo into knocking over the vase. The Architect has a million monitors of Neo’s decision making process. Essentially Autocorrect for Neo. And the Oracle only shows up in Reloaded because the Merovingian stole the Keymaker and her and the Architect needed Neo to rescue him.
I have a theory about The Architect's TV room. The TVs are his attempt to look past any choices. As The Oracle said in Revoluions The Architect can't see past any choice. However, what if he uses the TV as a way to map out all the choices he thinks are available and assign them probability of happening?
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Or maybe he doesnt have NFL Redzone, and wants to see ALL the games on the weekend
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Nah, he's a Chess man. He gotta watch all the Chess matches at once
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I have a theory about The Architect's TV room. The TVs are his attempt to look past any choices. As The Oracle said in Revoluions The Architect can't see past any choice. However, what if he uses the TV as a way to map out all the choices he thinks are available and assign them probability of happening?
astro_icecream🍦 23.9.2021. 14:51
I think that’s an excellent theory. It’s the more machine-like, binary version of the Oracle. I think he is jealous of her to a degree, or in some sort of competition with her, to whatever extent he feels emotion.
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I think it's def. more of a competition. In Revolutions The Oracle said that his job is to balance the equation and her job is to unbalance it.
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Yeah, at first, I was under the impression that the screens were dedicated to previous incarnations of the One. However, having recently rewatched it, I'm gonna go with predictability of options. Or, just another tool of control to push Neo to making the "correct" choice.
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Youtube just blessed me with this recommendation 😄 thought i'd share
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again, the irony of using "taking the red pill" as a metaphor for justifying your belief in wacky conspiracy theories is that Reloaded was exactly about how the red pill is also a lie and that opposing The Matrix is not the same thing as actually being outside the machines' influence
The Machines control the Revolution.
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I still appreciate that, specifically, "You old white prick" got in there. Hearing that particular line always gave me a smirk for some reason.
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you can clearly make out what words he's mouthing off when its beeped
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
hahah damn dude, Keanu does a better Nicolas Cage than Nicolas Cage!!
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The should have stuck an 'I WANT ROOOOOM SERVIIIIIIICE!!!' in there
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'NOT THE BEEEES!'
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hahaha
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YOU CAN'T MAKE ME DO ANYTHING YOU OLD WHITE PRICK!
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAH
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I have always loved that this scene is by far the most Keanu Reeves actually emotes in the entire trilogy
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possibly in his entire acting career 😄
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But he knows where the bastard sleeps
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the BAH-stahd
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astro_icecream🍦 24.9.2021. 23:06
I've seen it before, and I'll still watch it again whenever it's posted 😂
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Ozymandias517 24.9.2021. 23:13
AHAHAHAHAHA
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Deleted User 26.9.2021. 3:18
Rewatched Animatrix recently. Surprised how well it holds up. Best stories overall though are Second Renaissance and Detective Story.
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for some reason even though I really respect what it does Second Renaissance still always strikes me as one of the weaker shorts for some reason, the Beyond/Detective Story/Matriculated run is just some of the best Matrix ever period though tbh
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Deleted User 26.9.2021. 3:23
Matriculated actually is probably the most experimental of all the stories, Peter Chung is a really good director in general.
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Matriculated is really cool because you actually catch what it's doing more and more on rewatches, the whole sequence is a very abstract representation of the machine learning human concepts and values
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i.e. love, entertainment, play, fear...
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Deleted User 26.9.2021. 3:32
You know you’ve seen the original films too many times when you know the monologues word for word
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 10:16
On a rewatch of the first film atm. Just getting to the training sequence. One thing that stands out to me is that the agents ability to bug people is never revisited in the sequels. Although Smith's copying onto Bane is a close replacement. If everyone is potentially an agent, and the agents can take over any civilian. Then surely the agents would've been able to hijack Neo when he first met Morpheus, regardless of whether he had the bug or not? Or is bugging civilians necessary for agents to use them for any surveillance at all?
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 11:52
Other things: Cypher initiating the entire plot by tipping the agents off that Morpheus is looking for Neo. The news report on Morpheus being spotted at Heathrow Airport. Neo pressing Ctrl-X to kill the program that Trinity is using to contact him. In the past. I thought this was some sort of IRC program. Thinking about it now, what I think is that Trinity tapped into whatever terminal session Neo was running directly, then opened a text editor and began typing her message to him through that.
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Neo uses nano confirmed (edited)
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Rewatched Animatrix recently. Surprised how well it holds up. Best stories overall though are Second Renaissance and Detective Story.
Detective Story is most certainly my favorite.
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 12:09
@Dragonn Pretty much but as I read it nano didn't exist in 1997 when the script was done.
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@Dragonn Pretty much but as I read it nano didn't exist in 1997 when the script was done.
It's a joke :P
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Regarding bugging/Agent hops - my thoughts is an awareness thing. So, even bluepill-Neo couldn't be hopped into by the Agent because of his take on reality. Likewise, when Mr. Ash in Detective Story notices he's being overridden and says something about it. @RazorScumm
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There appears to be a passive level of resistance for the overwrite procedure.
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It's a joke :P
RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 12:18
Well im typing this on an Android device while watching the movie on a pc running Debian. Go Figure xD
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Another funny thing is as an aussie- seeing the commonwealth bank sign xd
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Then later at the end of the movie- wes-pac
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Also its hard to shake off the architecture in the Matrix as being anything but Sydney.
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 12:35
The "there is no spoon" kid is an aussie actor trying to do an english accent.
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The Yellow Flash 26.9.2021. 12:52
Hey guys, you think since the Wachowski's were inspired by DBZ or smth or anime like it or just anime Agent Smith is like Super/Perfect Cell or what? You think they're similar? (edited)
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Hey guys, you think since the Wachowski's were inspired by DBZ or smth or anime like it or just anime Agent Smith is like Super/Perfect Cell or what? You think they're similar? (edited)
RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 13:00
Sorry mate i don't think theres much resemblence between Smith and Cell. Could be mistaken though
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Also Morpheus didn't do much to restock his crew by Reloaded, asides from replacing Tank with Link.
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I think he was still grieving for the lost of Switch, Dozer, Apoc and Tank
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 13:10
And Morpheus forgets his advice about air and succumbs to exhaustion when fighting Smith for the first time.
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And Morpheus forgets his advice about air and succumbs to exhaustion when fighting Smith for the first time.
I won't lie to you, Neo. Every single man or woman who has stood their ground, everyone who has fought an Agent has died. But where they have failed, you will succeed.
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Agents are allowed to operate at the extreme edge of the rules of The Matrix, and while redpills know that it's a simulated world, in some respect, they still follow some of the rules of The Simulation, even on a near unconscious level.
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Plus Morpheus had his glasses off, so he wasn't in control of the situation.
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Agents are allowed to operate at the extreme edge of the rules of The Matrix, and while redpills know that it's a simulated world, in some respect, they still follow some of the rules of The Simulation, even on a near unconscious level.
RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 13:21
By that logic, it sounds like Reloaded would've had a very different ending if The Architect would've put the effort in to wearing a decent set of sunglasses and uhh.. balancing the equation?
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 13:32
Cypher is clearly attracted to Trinity. Perhaps his breaking point was her infactuation with Neo
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 13:47
Getting towards the end. Trinity: Neo, no one has ever done anything like this. Neo: That's why its going to work.
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The lobby scene...
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Still one of the best action scenes of all time xd
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Morpheus's reaction when he hears that Neo is trying to save him xd
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Neo rescuing Morpheus with a shot foot
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"hes beginning to believe" xd
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"Goodbye Mr Anderson" "My name is Neo"
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Neos look after the first bullet he takes
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Definitely believing
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BEST END CREDITS MUSIC EVER lml
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RazorScumm 26.9.2021. 14:23
Still a blast to watch xD
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By that logic, it sounds like Reloaded would've had a very different ending if The Architect would've put the effort in to wearing a decent set of sunglasses and uhh.. balancing the equation?
interestingly enough, The Architect wasn't as in control as he'd like Neo to believe. In Revolutions The Oracle says that The Architect can't see past any choice. So when he's talking to Neo, all he have are what are the most likely next steps and the percentage of those likely next steps happening. It's why he has all of those TV screens, to keep track of probability.
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A really cool subtle thing you don't pick up on the first time you watch Reloaded is how Morpheus turning around and fighting the agent on the semi is a direct role reversal of the original film
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In the first movie, Morpheus is trying to get Neo to believe in doing what has already been stated as impossible, and of course him turning around to fight Smith in the subway and actually temporarily killing him is shown as a sign that he can believe he can do the impossible
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In the sequels, there are a few lines of dialogue about how Neo is making the rest of Zion believe they can win the war no matter what, so when Morpheus turns around and goes head to head with an upgraded agent where victory should be even more theoretically impossible than the subway fight, it shows that Morpheus has begun to believe he can do the impossible by having seen Neo do so (edited)
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Good stuff!
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And you know he was serious because he took off his jacket.
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and sworded out
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Also Morpheus didn't do much to restock his crew by Reloaded, asides from replacing Tank with Link.
The Yellow Flash 26.9.2021. 22:58
Well yeah, but aside from them it
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it's like their personality and absorption I guess ignoring they were inspired by him for the movies yeah or?
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:05
Anyone else get bored looking for movies then just pull out their Matrix DVD and just watch that instead
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I did til my old dvd got stolen (this was ten ish years ago)
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BUT I did recently get the triple feature blu ray :3
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So we'll see
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(all those special features)
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I don't buy physical media very often unless it's a collector's edition kind of a deal
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But I've purchased all the Matrix stuff in 4k on digital platforms and had them for a while and they are glorious
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The greens and the blues are fantastic
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But I've purchased all the Matrix stuff in 4k on digital platforms and had them for a while and they are glorious
Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:14
The remasters they did turned out really well. Pretty sure the ones on digital were remastered by Bill Pope
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They're beautiful
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The movies have aged so well
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It makes me happy
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dont watch the SDR version of the HDR ones tho
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colors all blown out
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either watch HDR ones in HDR or just watch the BluRay pre-hdr release in SDR
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:30
Even the widescreen DVD versions surprisingly look really good on a 4K TV (edited)
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either watch HDR ones in HDR or just watch the BluRay pre-hdr release in SDR
I’ll pretend I know what this means.
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I’ll pretend I know what this means.
Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:32
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Does anyone hope they do an Animatrix 2. I always thought the good thing about the first was that it allowed you to experiment with the world of the matrix and show different sides and periods of time
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At the time, I was hoping that it would turn into a series... and I think that might have been the plan, but things went kitter-wonky.
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:45
It would’ve worked on a station like Toonami or Adult Swim, possibly even FX or HBO
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Weren't both Toonami & Adult Swim Cartoon Network?
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:47
Yeah, but it would’ve worked on either of those blocks, Adult Swim more so due to the blood and violence
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Also, probably Adult Swim... because of adult concepts, minor nudity & violence.
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(Let's put it this way, I am not talking about the Matrix with a ten year old.)
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:49
I don’t even think my 10 year old could handle The Matrix, they’d like the action scenes but wouldn’t understand the philosophy, that’s why most fans first watched it during their teens or twenty’s
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I'm here because my dad made me watch The Matrix when I was 10 lmao
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it was backwards for me... I went "whoa cool action scenes" and so actively pushed myself to try and learn philosophy while still in middle school
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Okay, to be precise, I'm not talking with a 10 year old that isn't mine about the Matrix.
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And I would have to make sure that mine would be able to parse enough of the matter to grasp the straws.
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And I would have to make sure that mine would be able to parse enough of the matter to grasp the straws.
Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:52
Straws, don’t you mean spoon?
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I mean my dad didn't really understand it much himself... I was having to explain the Architect scene to him after the 5th viewing
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There is no spoon.
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There is no spoon.
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my dad was more the "conspiracy theorist who thinks the message of the movie is that you can literally use telekinesis if you believe hard enough" type
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:54
I think I always looked at it as a fun action movie with an interesting lore tbh
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That reminded me, off hand, about the CollegeHumor sketch "What if the Matrix ran on WinXP?" & the damn paperclip.
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That reminded me, off hand, about the CollegeHumor sketch "What if the Matrix ran on WinXP?" & the damn paperclip.
Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:55
Here it is if anyone hasn’t seen it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM
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Here it is if anyone hasn’t seen it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM
wow how fucking long has it been since I've last seen this?
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I think I always looked at it as a fun action movie with an interesting lore tbh
I was already familiar with the Allegory of the Cave amongst other philosophical traditions by the time the Matrix dropped - in fact that's why my buddy passed me them on bootleg CDs (as well as Tool) in 2001.
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Here it is if anyone hasn’t seen it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM
Thanks, I was planning on it, but got stuck in the thought. XD
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I basically self-taught myself ethical philosophy in middle school because my dad wanted me to talk about The Matrix
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:57
Anyone hear about the rumours that Cloud Atlas will be referenced in Matrix Resurrections? (edited)
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Not the best movie but I think at least 4/6 segments in it were good
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are those rumors because David Mitchell is a writer on Matrix 4?
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are those rumors because David Mitchell is a writer on Matrix 4?
Deleted User 27.9.2021. 4:59
Yeah, and some set leaks in San Francisco
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Here it is if anyone hasn’t seen it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM
Honestly, I don't know why, but the Oracle's kitchen evokes a scent memory. XD
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Anyway, murdering digital paperclips with the power of the mind.
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Okay... I forgot about that... "Ubuntu... I'm going to learn.. Ubuntu." chuckles
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 5:08
Thoughts on the reappraisal of the sequels. I always thought the general public loved them but critics hated them. Now it seems like their more well liked by everyone besides some people still holding grudges
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tbh from memory actually people used to viscerally hate the sequels, mid-to-late 2000s was full of "let's pretend these never happened" takes
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it's only really in the last few years it became less than completely uncool to publicly admit you liked them
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 5:11
In my circle at least, people loved them. I admittedly liked Reloaded a little more then the original at the time. I appreciated that it tied into Enter The Matrix so well and had a fast paced feel to it as well as the action scenes (edited)
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I mean my dad loved the whole trilogy so I wasn't ingrained with social awareness as a kid
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 5:13
My Dad loves the trilogy and even the comics and games and we are actually gonna see the 4th together, I’m gonna get him tickets as a Christmas gift
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gosh what the fuck how many of us are just here because we had weird dads?
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Amongst other matters that were weird, I suppose so.
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 5:16
I actually got him into it, around reloaded he said he saw the first once on video so I showed him the film and some comics. Then we saw reloaded, revolutions, and even Animatrix in theatre together
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It’s our #1 thing we obsess together over besides classic cars
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Before my father passed, we more dwelt on philosophy and the Scripture... as well as wrestling, oddly enough. I should have gotten him into it, I just never thought to. (edited)
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I sadly haven't talked to my father in years because he's... not very open-minded, if you get my drift
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Deleted User 27.9.2021. 5:20
I talk to mine daily, always good for a laugh and hanging out with.
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Yeah, that's why I ended moving in with them from the midwest to Washington state - the chance to have that before it was too late. Nowadays I give my mom at a minimum a monthly call and will drop by when work has me nearby.
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That, however, is a different story.
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my dad was more the "conspiracy theorist who thinks the message of the movie is that you can literally use telekinesis if you believe hard enough" type
GeneralZod 27.9.2021. 6:38
maybe you can. who's to say you aren't in the matrix right now?
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I actually have tried
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Long time ago
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GeneralZod 27.9.2021. 6:38
it's time to wake up, Neo...
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do you have to take the red pill before you're allowed to fuck with stuff in the matrix?
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Long time ago
GeneralZod 27.9.2021. 6:40
did you try realizing the truth, that there is no spoon?
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do you have to take the red pill before you're allowed to fuck with stuff in the matrix?
Animatrix, World Record (the fella who self-substantiated by running too fast). So, no, you're not really allowed to do so.. but you can.
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Animatrix, World Record (the fella who self-substantiated by running too fast). So, no, you're not really allowed to do so.. but you can.
GeneralZod 27.9.2021. 7:12
so you can, but don't.
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Basically, yeah.
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GeneralZod 27.9.2021. 7:12
also, morpheus and crew totally should've invested in some nutrients tubes on the ship.
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has to make eating slop considerably easier when your brain thinks said slop is steak
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That would add weight and power distribution that they don't have the space for. >.>
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Prxphet | Izox 27.9.2021. 7:45
Just did a rewatch of the trilogy
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Epic.
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Vivian
gosh what the fuck how many of us are just here because we had weird dads?
Excuse me, my dad is a nerd. He's not weird. 😛
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Metalogic
Excuse me, my dad is a nerd. He's not weird. 😛
Why not both?
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What dad?
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I wonder how many people made the "My dad didn't just go out for cigarettes and never came back, he took the red pill" joke or comment.
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My dad initiated me to Star Wars, but Matrix... Well, he did perfectly know the subject but never make me watch.
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I wonder how many people made the "My dad didn't just go out for cigarettes and never came back, he took the red pill" joke or comment.
FFS, ow.
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FFS, ow.
Yea it just popped into my head a minute ago
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I mean, it's a good joke.
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But still... damn.
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The joke is good.
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My dad initiated me to Star Wars, but Matrix... Well, he did perfectly know the subject but never make me watch.
My dad is more of a Star Trek nerd. I'm the Matrix nerd
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That said, one of my most precious memories was when my father picked us up a copy of Titan A.E.
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I had been into Scifi on my own accord since I was knee-high to a grasshopper, and the man had been in an out of my life on account of infirmity. So, one day I come home from school, and he's like, "I saw this, thought you might like it son." One of my favorite movies of all time.
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My dad is more of a Star Trek nerd. I'm the Matrix nerd
Still nerd, still cool. 👌
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I had been into Scifi on my own accord since I was knee-high to a grasshopper, and the man had been in an out of my life on account of infirmity. So, one day I come home from school, and he's like, "I saw this, thought you might like it son." One of my favorite movies of all time.
Wholesome !
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Gotta take the good times for what they are, y'know.
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Agreed. :)
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David T. Gregory 27.9.2021. 20:32
okay this may sound like a noob question, but does anyone have a decent interpretation of the imagery in the mirror/neo wakes up scene of the first movie?
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like: whys the mirror healing itself, why is it covering neo, what does "hes going into replication" mean and what the fuck is happening in that scene?
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this is the one scene that left me mostly clueless
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they gave neo a computer virus
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its "replicating"
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David T. Gregory 27.9.2021. 20:34
hm...that makes sense, thank you
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its purpose is to trace and block the physical body's carrier signal to the matrix
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David T. Gregory 27.9.2021. 20:34
yeah i get that, im just confused about the mirror
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like, is that supposed to be a hallucination caused by his input/output signal getting messed with?
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we dont know if the mirror is objective or subjective to neo
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but since each brain does a little bit of the computation for the matrix simulation itself, that being disrupted could be reality breaking down/being weird, so the first thing neo focused on went nuts
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David T. Gregory 27.9.2021. 20:36
yeah
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might even be subjective to him, cause the others dont really react
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astro_icecream🍦 27.9.2021. 21:08
It's not totally connected to the mirror itself, but I think the pill also causes his RSI to have a heart attack, or simulate one, so the machines in the power plant think he's dead and release him. The fear from the hallucinations seem to trigger some sort of physical shock in him, too, so it may help the heart attack along.
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David T. Gregory 27.9.2021. 21:09
that makes a lot of sense
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David T. Gregory 27.9.2021. 21:17
thanks for the explanations and ideas folks
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now here's a fun little thing I observed: while there is a literal in-universe explanation for Neo being able to use his powers in the real world (he's still connected to The Source) there's also a symbolic subtext to it that's very interesting the first movie has established that the redpills can use powers in The Matrix because mentally they accept that it isn't real, which allows their minds to be unrestricted by the rules programmed for it what's really interesting here is that the first time we see Neo use powers in the real world, it's at the very end of Reloaded right after he's been told by the Architect that the Zion rebellion is also a form of machine control so in a sense, Neo has managed to start using his powers in the real world because he's rejected Zion as another kind of fiction too, in the exact same way redpills gain powers in The Matrix (edited)
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now here's a fun little thing I observed: while there is a literal in-universe explanation for Neo being able to use his powers in the real world (he's still connected to The Source) there's also a symbolic subtext to it that's very interesting the first movie has established that the redpills can use powers in The Matrix because mentally they accept that it isn't real, which allows their minds to be unrestricted by the rules programmed for it what's really interesting here is that the first time we see Neo use powers in the real world, it's at the very end of Reloaded right after he's been told by the Architect that the Zion rebellion is also a form of machine control so in a sense, Neo has managed to start using his powers in the real world because he's rejected Zion as another kind of fiction too, in the exact same way redpills gain powers in The Matrix (edited)
but, if the ''real world'' end up being fake as well, why the machines reinserted him inside The Matrix to fight Smith? is it because they have get someone in to make believe? or is it another layer of The Matrix?
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now here's a fun little thing I observed: while there is a literal in-universe explanation for Neo being able to use his powers in the real world (he's still connected to The Source) there's also a symbolic subtext to it that's very interesting the first movie has established that the redpills can use powers in The Matrix because mentally they accept that it isn't real, which allows their minds to be unrestricted by the rules programmed for it what's really interesting here is that the first time we see Neo use powers in the real world, it's at the very end of Reloaded right after he's been told by the Architect that the Zion rebellion is also a form of machine control so in a sense, Neo has managed to start using his powers in the real world because he's rejected Zion as another kind of fiction too, in the exact same way redpills gain powers in The Matrix (edited)
The extent of his powers are limited to machines that are linked to the Source however. Notice that the hovercraft doesn’t light up with his code vision.
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Smith being an Agent of the Matrix shows as code in the real world.
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but, if the ''real world'' end up being fake as well, why the machines reinserted him inside The Matrix to fight Smith? is it because they have get someone in to make believe? or is it another layer of The Matrix?
Well, here's a batshit theory: they're playing into the hero story that the One inherently represents, it's all bullshit so they can give humans a completely artificial resistance that neatly fits the Hero's Journey and effectively control even the rebellious population.
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Well, here's a batshit theory: they're playing into the hero story that the One inherently represents, it's all bullshit so they can give humans a completely artificial resistance that neatly fits the Hero's Journey and effectively control even the rebellious population.
so, you think Neo using his powers in the real world is just Deux ex Machina?
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That's right y'all, everything is fake media literacy is a lie and the machines are manipulating one of the single most documented narrative trends humanity has ever had to make sure the cyberpunk nerds don't try uppity
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so, you think Neo using his powers in the real world is just Deux ex Machina?
Listen, I like this more than "double matrix weeble wobble" or "everyone has magic Wi-Fi they just have to believe"
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I'm also being incredibly glib, media literacy is an important tool please exercise critical thinking about what you consume
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wifi jesus
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wifi jesus
lol
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what about the actual machine's city 01? they just showed it on The Animatrix. That's probably still out there, right?
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We see it in Revolutions.
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yeah but what i mean is we didn't see the actual city where androids, machines and robots live like they showed in The Animatrix, in Revolutions they only showed like a wasteland city of machines ready to kill.
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We saw some little servitor bots...
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what about the actual machine's city 01? they just showed it on The Animatrix. That's probably still out there, right?
If Machine City 01 is the same city that Neo and Zion are under that means that Zion is likely under Jerusalem
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Possibly I forget where 01 actually is because its stated to be in Africa in the cradle of humanity I think, but I don't think a definitive location was given. Could be egypt for all I know.
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Mesopotamia I believe
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which was the actual real life birth of civilization and so gets called that
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Pretty much an empty plot of desert.
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Metalogic 28.9.2021. 0:16
I always wondered why The Machines would settle in the middle of the desert.
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I know it's supposed to be symbolic and stuff, but realistically, it doesn't make sense to me.
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The cradle of human civilization, the cradle of AI civilization yadda yadda yadda
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granted the symbolism involved is extremely political and I know shit's gonna get flung if I spell it out
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I always wondered why The Machines would settle in the middle of the desert.
More that they got kicked to the desert.
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And they set up shop, because what else?
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(And there's almost certainly an allegorical comparison to the Israelites.)
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yep I was trying to dance around that, Zero One is supposed to be Israel
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granted the symbolism involved is extremely political and I know shit's gonna get flung if I spell it out
Metalogic 28.9.2021. 0:20
I mean, it could also be Biblical. Ancient Israel has nothing to do with modern Israel.
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yep I was trying to dance around that, Zero One is supposed to be Israel
I know. ^.^
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I mean, it could also be Biblical. Ancient Israel has nothing to do with modern Israel.
Which is why I specifically said Israelites, rather than "Das Juden" or some other malarkey like that.
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What's interesting is there's an intentional parallel to apocalypse mythos' in general there.
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And there is a "new Heaven and a new Earth" when it's said and done.
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Agh, takeoff, be back in a bit.
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there's just large amounts of rather obvious political subtext all over part 1 of 2R in general, kinda why I read it along those lines
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the B166ER verdict is actually a direct quote from the Dred Scott Decision
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and also "Ĩ̴͌'̷͐̈M̵̉͌ ̸͌͠R̴̂͝Ȇ̴͌Ă̷̇L̵͊͝"
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Metalogic 28.9.2021. 0:27
"It's just a paint job!"
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very uncomfortable to watch tbh, at least for me
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very uncomfortable to watch tbh, at least for me
Metalogic 28.9.2021. 0:45
Same here, it was just visceral and brutal.
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Good media of this type should be, yes.
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The lead up to the war has to be in order to make sense.
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Good media of this type should be, yes.
I wasn't claiming otherwise
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Nor was I claiming that you were claiming otherwise. Simply adding my two cents. ^.^
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Metalogic 28.9.2021. 0:50
But what about the counter claims to your counter claims to his claims? lol
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But what about the counter claims to your counter claims to his claims? lol
But there were no counter claims!
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I counter claim the claim that there were no counter claims
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Very well, carry on.
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other Animatrix bits I will never not read into: Kid running away from the Agents requiring him to enter the girls' bathroom and the girls inside screaming "Ew, gross, you're not a girl!" at him (edited)
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David T. Gregory 28.9.2021. 20:40
"Neither am I...Mrs. Anderson!" - Agent Smith shortly before throwing random schoolgirls out the window cause they're in the way
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“Stop where you are Mr. Anderson-chan!”
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Neo swan-dives into Smith Smith: "NANI?!"
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:39
Top three side characters GO!
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Train man, Key Maker, and Architect
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:40
The Merovingian The Trainman The Architect
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The Merovingian The Trainman The Architect
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:41
How could I guess you would like the Merovingian? He is only slightly beaten out by the Trainman my a slim margin in my book
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or maybe The Architect
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David T. Gregory 29.9.2021. 1:42
agent thompson, sparks, "that guy took my phone" guy
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gotta admit, all the best side characters are Exiles or other programs, probably how I ended up a Merovingian girl
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:43
The Merovingian and The Exiles deserve their own movie.
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gotta admit, all the best side characters are Exiles or other programs, probably how I ended up a Merovingian girl
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:43
Could I interest you in a slice of pie?
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sure
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:43
hehe
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:43
It's a slice of cake, not pie. 🙂
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:43
wait.....
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do I need to refresh myself again? it's only been two years
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:44
It's always been called a Merv Cake.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:45
Well, looks like I am rewatching them all again this weekend
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for the past couple years I have been saying pie
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I'm gonna go cry now
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oh...
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:47
Next thing I'm gonna hear is there really was a spoon
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I see what you were doing
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Vivian
I see what you were doing
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:48
Yeah, I was trying to be smooth in a nerdy way and totally ate dirt
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It's always been called a Merv Cake.
I get the sense this cat hasn't played MxO, it has only been called 'merv cake' there
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:51
MervCake It's clearly a cake
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But I agree, it's clearly a cake lol
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:51
Nope, just before I got into gaming (edited)
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I mean it was clearly a cake in the film too
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:52
yeah, but my memory isn't great
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I have a feeling I'm not gonna live this down
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:52
Nah, you're fine
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:53
So, just to make sure I remembered something else right: Chocolate chip cookies, right?
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:54
Yep, just like grandma used to code.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:54
good
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 1:54
cookiemxo
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this is a less popular opinion but I actually really like when the sequels stop and focus on other residents of Zion, sure it's probably filler but it's really charming to just see the moment-to-moment interactions between people in life, the overly long defense of Zion in Revolutions is actually the best part of it because of that
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this is a less popular opinion but I actually really like when the sequels stop and focus on other residents of Zion, sure it's probably filler but it's really charming to just see the moment-to-moment interactions between people in life, the overly long defense of Zion in Revolutions is actually the best part of it because of that
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 1:59
This I totally agree with
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I kinda wish we had a short of the life in Zion
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nothing feature length, just something to kinda world build
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this is a less popular opinion but I actually really like when the sequels stop and focus on other residents of Zion, sure it's probably filler but it's really charming to just see the moment-to-moment interactions between people in life, the overly long defense of Zion in Revolutions is actually the best part of it because of that
Metalogic 29.9.2021. 2:01
Agreed
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:02
Like could you imagine being a child of Zion, never truly knowing The Matrix?
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David T. Gregory 29.9.2021. 2:02
there must be a certain jealousy
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:03
For sure, on both ends I bet
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 2:03
I think there were some tension between the redpills and free-born in Zion during MxO.
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It was like a subplot or something
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:04
If we ever get to the point of seeing the story again, I would love to know honestly
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I didn't realize MxO was cannon until a few years ago so I feel like I missed a chunk
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I mean, I don't wanna get my hopes up, but it almost feels like when I discovered The Animatrix
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Metalogic 29.9.2021. 2:07
The status of MxO's canon is actually up in the air right now pending the release of M4.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:08
This is true
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ironically my dad who got me into the trilogy had to be made to sit down and watch The Animatrix with me for the first time because he couldn't wrap his head around "why did they make The Matrix cartoons?"
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:09
anything else I am missing from the universe? I have the trilogy in four parts, and I know there are the comics which I need to look up
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ironically my dad who got me into the trilogy had to be made to sit down and watch The Animatrix with me for the first time because he couldn't wrap his head around "why did they make The Matrix cartoons?"
Metalogic 29.9.2021. 2:09
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ironically my dad who got me into the trilogy had to be made to sit down and watch The Animatrix with me for the first time because he couldn't wrap his head around "why did they make The Matrix cartoons?"
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:09
yeah, I was a little weirded out about it at first too
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Then I got hooked into anime
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technically more in the sense he was an old boomer who didn't know what anime was and didn't wrap his head around the concept of a serious adult animation
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:11
I'm slowly starting to realize how much the Matrix universe ties into my interests and such....I think I am gonna go have a shower and think about it
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and I don't mean that in a fanboy obsessed way
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Was he kinda square and missed stuff like Ralph Bakshi in the '70s?
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Was he kinda square and missed stuff like Ralph Bakshi in the '70s?
probably
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I grew up autistically obsessing with the whole franchise because a. said weird dad b. having no consistent friends and not realizing it was not supposed to be cool to like more than one Matrix movie
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 2:15
I didn't have the weird dad thing, but I watched it when I was hitting that point where I was figuring myself out, combined with X-files, and a few other things
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I was late to the show catching it in theaters, but I will totally admit to loving sunglasses, trench coats, flashy vfx, and 90's aesthetic
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well, late 80's-early '00's but that's a different story
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I didn't have the weird dad thing, but I watched it when I was hitting that point where I was figuring myself out, combined with X-files, and a few other things
Hey I couldn't agree more with that statement more, I name my son Fox because of the XFiles. You said that perfectly.
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I'm slowly starting to realize how much the Matrix universe ties into my interests and such....I think I am gonna go have a shower and think about it
It's a defining piece of art.
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I grew up autistically obsessing with the whole franchise because a. said weird dad b. having no consistent friends and not realizing it was not supposed to be cool to like more than one Matrix movie
For me, I never really cared what was "cool" - and moved on when things became too popular because I didn't want to be one of those guys. That means I ended up being a hipster of hipsters. Damnit.
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i recently rewatched the movies after seeing the new trailer for M4 and almost 20 years later, it's strange to me how little i realized before now that trinity doesn't really have her own agency or character after the first film. it's especially bad in matrix reloaded where a majority of her scenes are just... being next to neo and not doing much else aside from making out. even her best moments (in my opinion) in the last 2 films are just action scenes with no character development (highway chase & flight into the machine city). i know her role was to fall in love with neo and help him but... that's it? i guess? that being said, i'm not sure what i'd do to improve her character within the constraints of the story the film was telling other than removing the silly scene of her getting jealous over neo kissing persephone because it feels very middle-school romance for that to bother her when so many other crazy things happen in her world every day. is it just me? just some thoughts i had lol (edited)
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eh... that's not the first time I would have heard somebody point this out
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then again, i think a lot of other things in the films piss people off more so i also guess this is lower on the list of things the sequels did wrong lol
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personally, i don't mind the sequels, i enjoy them for what they are and do so more with age
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I think the sequels aren't perfect but they're still actually really good films whose deconstruction of the first movie's mythos is actually very good and necessary, they actively enhance the first movie more by existing and I think the whole wave of "these are so bad we need to pretend they never existed" that was cool for a long time was a little silly
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i recently rewatched the movies after seeing the new trailer for M4 and almost 20 years later, it's strange to me how little i realized before now that trinity doesn't really have her own agency or character after the first film. it's especially bad in matrix reloaded where a majority of her scenes are just... being next to neo and not doing much else aside from making out. even her best moments (in my opinion) in the last 2 films are just action scenes with no character development (highway chase & flight into the machine city). i know her role was to fall in love with neo and help him but... that's it? i guess? that being said, i'm not sure what i'd do to improve her character within the constraints of the story the film was telling other than removing the silly scene of her getting jealous over neo kissing persephone because it feels very middle-school romance for that to bother her when so many other crazy things happen in her world every day. is it just me? just some thoughts i had lol (edited)
I disagree with your assessment here, as see her in Club Hel (and going there). Her self-sacrifice taking up for the team who was dropped. And she didn't have to go with Neo to Zero One. In fact, in the latter two, she specifically was told not to go - but did so anyhow.
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I disagree with your assessment here, as see her in Club Hel (and going there). Her self-sacrifice taking up for the team who was dropped. And she didn't have to go with Neo to Zero One. In fact, in the latter two, she specifically was told not to go - but did so anyhow.
i can understand that perspective. i guess i do agree with you on club hel and her going in to finish the shut down for the expired team. going with neo to zero one feels more like they didn't know what to do with her character without neo being around so... they just had her go with him? but then again, maybe this is just me being a bit butthurt over her death still years later
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:36
I think Trinity staying by Neo if anything was a pretty nice bit of her character. After she was resurrected she didn't leave his side even though she has more than enough reason and chance to
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She opted to dedicate herself to him in full - despite the terror there. Honestly, there's an echo of Romeo & Juliet there.
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i recently rewatched the movies after seeing the new trailer for M4 and almost 20 years later, it's strange to me how little i realized before now that trinity doesn't really have her own agency or character after the first film. it's especially bad in matrix reloaded where a majority of her scenes are just... being next to neo and not doing much else aside from making out. even her best moments (in my opinion) in the last 2 films are just action scenes with no character development (highway chase & flight into the machine city). i know her role was to fall in love with neo and help him but... that's it? i guess? that being said, i'm not sure what i'd do to improve her character within the constraints of the story the film was telling other than removing the silly scene of her getting jealous over neo kissing persephone because it feels very middle-school romance for that to bother her when so many other crazy things happen in her world every day. is it just me? just some thoughts i had lol (edited)
agreed, and it had to be addressed but, ithink if they did (thing that i actually wanted to) the films would've been longer.
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She opted to dedicate herself to him in full - despite the terror there. Honestly, there's an echo of Romeo & Juliet there.
ah, i can see that interpretation
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i guess it's just part of the Hero's Journey.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:37
Also, hello again @Vivian. I don't have any cake this time, I promise
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She's a hero in her own right, and Neo depends on her as much as she does on him.
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We actually see that highlighted after the aforementioned make-out in the lift scene.
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She's a hero in her own right, and Neo depends on her as much as she does on him.
totally true
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maybe what the sequels needed was a bit more relationship development between them since they didn't get much before jumping into full force snogging. i do think their relationship is wonderful and i do love them together but something just never sat right with me how it was represented
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And, honestly, the reason why she gets so uppity about Persephone is because what the latter gal is asking is "just a taste" which undermines the entire thing that they have.
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maybe what the sequels needed was a bit more relationship development between them since they didn't get much before jumping into full force snogging. i do think their relationship is wonderful and i do love them together but something just never sat right with me how it was represented
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:39
I can see your point there
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maybe what the sequels needed was a bit more relationship development between them since they didn't get much before jumping into full force snogging. i do think their relationship is wonderful and i do love them together but something just never sat right with me how it was represented
Do you remember how far into it that scene was?
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And, honestly, the reason why she gets so uppity about Persephone is because what the latter gal is asking is "just a taste" which undermines the entire thing that they have.
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:40
Having been the jealous type before, this is totally fact
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I can confirm
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There's an acceptable level of jealous, though.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:41
Yeah, but that even had me going wtf
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I mean the entire maximally passionate kiss thing is beyond the pale.
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Having been the jealous type before, this is totally fact
yeah, i think i tend to forget that its realistic for people to get insecure about stuff like this and everyone reacts differently. i think maybe i'm projecting how i'd react on to someone else haha. i've been in a relationship for 10+ years and if the fate of humanity hinged on my bf kissing another lady, i'd slam their heads together myself
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yeah, i think i tend to forget that its realistic for people to get insecure about stuff like this and everyone reacts differently. i think maybe i'm projecting how i'd react on to someone else haha. i've been in a relationship for 10+ years and if the fate of humanity hinged on my bf kissing another lady, i'd slam their heads together myself
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:42
Ha!
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So, just skimming through Reloaded again - we've had the dream revealed (and her consoling him).
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yeah, i think i tend to forget that its realistic for people to get insecure about stuff like this and everyone reacts differently. i think maybe i'm projecting how i'd react on to someone else haha. i've been in a relationship for 10+ years and if the fate of humanity hinged on my bf kissing another lady, i'd slam their heads together myself
Yeah, and remember Neo & Trin's relationship is forged in fire.
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Also, a reveal of their closeness, Neo looks off when Smith is dropping off his earpiece. Trin knows to ask about it from this super subtle motion.
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and i guess them being pretty inseparable and constantly entangled like a young school couple when they have moments is par for the course since humanity's situation is pretty dire and there's likely little time for romance or love in a world like theirs
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Yeah.
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Also, a reveal of their closeness, Neo looks off when Smith is dropping off his earpiece. Trin knows to ask about it from this super subtle motion.
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:44
Can I just mention that that small scene gave me chills?
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Me, too.
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and i guess them being pretty inseparable and constantly entangled like a young school couple when they have moments is par for the course since humanity's situation is pretty dire and there's likely little time for romance or love in a world like theirs
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:45
Also why Zion parties like no other
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anybody who thinks the cave orgy and plughole sex was bad or unnecessary can fight me, this is another one of my unpopular opinions
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Also why Zion parties like no other
Ayup, which is why the Rave scene is actually necessary.
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i love the rave dance scene
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:46
I still crank that song in my car
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I'm not a fan, persay, but I recognize the necessity.
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all movies need a rave dance scene to pump me up
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I still crank that song in my car
Okay, so do I. But now it's because RFZ.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:47
I need to see if I can squeeze it into a DJ set one day
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Along with the blood rave song from Blade
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Along with the blood rave song from Blade
YES
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anybody who thinks the cave orgy and plughole sex was bad or unnecessary can fight me, this is another one of my unpopular opinions
Also, the point of the sex was that it was lovemaking - personal, passionate & in distinct contrast to the general orgy in the cave.
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This is a concept that has been washed out in the dissolution of the sanctity of intercourse.. but that's a different topic matter entirely.
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Also, the point of the sex was that it was lovemaking - personal, passionate & in distinct contrast to the general orgy in the cave.
yeah like... i think the scene is really touching and intimate and makes me care about their relationship
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especially them holding each other and the camera pulling away... like sooo good
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I still cared deeply about it from the end of the first movie. lol
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So, now I'm rewatching Reloaded starting from the meeting at the beginning. (edited)
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lol
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:51
I'm watching the whole series this weekend
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And I absolutely love the Zion entry music.. that tense feeling.
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I'm watching the whole series this weekend
I actually re-watched it last week.
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So, wasn't planning on doing so again so soon.
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hmmmm.......plughole sex
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But here we are.
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hmmmm.......plughole sex
No, down. Bad. Sick fuck.
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LOLFACEMATRIX
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we don't kink-shame 'round these parts partner
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lmao
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:52
Wanna share some electrons?
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There's a bit more than just electrons being swapped in that exchange.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:53
Oh I'm sure
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trading cards!
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Hehe, okay, I'll not go a scene-by-scene.. but I actually appreciate the intro of Mifune. He's one of my absolute favorites despite having such little screen time. (edited)
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Absolutely fucking under-rated character
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agreed
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Talk about heroes...
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Honestly, Mifune is why I threw in with EPN.
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He gave the kid his chance, kid did him proud.
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Fuck I'mma get emotional just thinking about that scene.
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He gave the kid his chance, kid did him proud.
Yeah, and because I honor Mifune's sacrifice, I honor the Kid.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:56
Of the humans, I liked mouse
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honestly all the humans people say they find annoying (Mouse, Kid, Link) are actually among my favorites
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Mouse as annoying? What.
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Link as annoying? No way.
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Link was fantastic, whoever said he was annoying was a stuck-up nerd
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WHERE'S MY PUSS
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Especially when they return to Zion... "Where is my Puss..." crap, kids!
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"Hey, guys, you're so big - let's see if you can pick me up."
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:57
Refresh my memory, Mouse was the one who came up with The Lady, right?
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"Hey, guys, you're so big - let's see if you can pick me up."
I'm actually on this scene in short order.
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Digital pimp hard at work
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Link is a much more interesting and developed character thank Tank, actually
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"Hey, guys, you're so big - let's see if you can pick me up."
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:58
What're you feeding them?
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Okay, so I'm on the elevator.. and, yesh, I'm thinking we've got points that makes it make sense... at least to me.
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Digital pimp hard at work
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:58
Thought so
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Yeah.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 21:59
I'd hang out with Mouse and have a brew with Tank
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And, to that, Switch actually gets a mention. I just like the character's depth of delivery, "Not like this... not like this.."
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rip the original concept for her character
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And, to that, Switch actually gets a mention. I just like the character's depth of delivery, "Not like this... not like this.."
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:00
Those three words killed me
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Those three words killed me
Yeah, and choke me up even thinking of them.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:00
Also, sorry I'm having to use reply on everything, data is slow here
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No, you're fine.
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I'm not one of those folks that twitch about it.
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(Especially since we're in a conversation it helps keep the threads clear.)
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Personally, as I end up using airplane wifi a lot of time, I end up in a similar boat.
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So, the habit is familiar.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:02
I spent a lot of time in chatrooms without a reply function things get messy fast (edited)
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Yeah, with miscomms of, well, replies.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:03
Best line delivery I think still goes to Smith, especially with his speech to Morpheus
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The "bullet from this gun" scene?
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:03
I think I almost did that speech for theatre arts in HS (edited)
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The "bullet from this gun" scene?
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:04
Humans are a virus
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Oh, that one.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:05
I ended up doing the pill scene though, cause I couldn't find the script for the virus speech online at the time
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Best line delivery I think still goes to Smith, especially with his speech to Morpheus
I can't argue in the least bit about that one for best deliveries.
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Pretty much, and of Smith's monologs are out of the park.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:06
I am no replacement for Laurence Fishburne
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Then again..
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Speaking of Morpheus' speeches...
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Pretty much, and of Smith's monologs are out of the park.
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:08
Yeah, Hugo Weaving is pretty on point for delivery in a lot of movies. You could almost taste the hate in that scene
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That's the scene that I'm about to replay...
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the ending speech of the first movie by Neo... simple as it is, is honestly positively inspiring
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Morpheus' speech in the cave is uplifting, too.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:09
Yes to both
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I also like his, "We are soldiers" monolog.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:09
I didn't dare try to do the Zion speech, way too shy in school for that kind of power
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Unfortunately for me, although I did TTRPGs during my time in HS I had washed out from school beyond the required baselines... probably because someone was a part of a group that broke security on the school computers and someone ratted us out.
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Yeah, Hugo Weaving is pretty on point for delivery in a lot of movies. You could almost taste the hate in that scene
I could absolutely taste the hate. "It's repulsive, isn't it?"
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(I still remember that kid's name with a touch of ire.. but that's a different story. XD)
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I could absolutely taste the hate. "It's repulsive, isn't it?"
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:12
Just thinking of that scene....
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And the guy playing Cypher later on did a great job with the character switch
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Even if he was rather short lived
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Oh, absolutely, yes.
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Thing is, that the cracks showing through the lie throughout is pretty rad.
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Especially after the reveal that he was a turncoat.
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Bastard.
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Surprise, asshole!
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Ian Bliss
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The way he nailed Weaving's pitch, timbre, and tone.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:16
Wonder what happened to his digital self, or would he have been outright gone?
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Pretty sure he got over-written
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Ian Bliss
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Pretty sure he got over-written
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:17
Worse than dying, truly
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Wonder what happened to his digital self, or would he have been outright gone?
I'm thinking he was over-written - but not completely, as after the EMP it struck me he 's actually amnesiac to his ID.
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Pretty sure he dead lol
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Effectively, yeah, the original is dead.
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Soon as smith got downloaded
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Like Neo said about it, "Feels like dying."
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:18
I don't know which is worse, being unplugged or overwritten
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Overwritten you don't have a clue once it's said and done.
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The idea is terrifying, but as it's happening it's more confusion and shock.
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Being unplugged, like what happened to Switch - for someone like Switch - is far more terrifying.
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And lasts longer.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:21
Not quite like flipping a switch
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No pun intended
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Well, it really is, though.
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But the lighbulb can see you reaching towards it.
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And to be turned off is to die.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:22
Cause I imagine both the physical body and the mind are gonna fight to stay alive too
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Body's probably comatose.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:22
True
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And this is where we get into the implication of the soul in the Matrix.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:23
Very much so, and I don't feel like staying up all night for that one
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The ineffable spark if you'd rather.
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Very much so, and I don't feel like staying up all night for that one
Hehehe. It's only 1324 here. (edited)
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But, yes, that's a week long conversation, at the very least.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:24
1624 here, but any discussion about the existence of a soul is never short
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Well, and in the context of the Matrix it must be.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:26
This did make me think of something else, more on mythology though
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For, in the case of disconnect, the related greymatter would still exist.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:27
Yeah, so physically all the bits are still there
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But that spark, the ego if you will, is in the matrix
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Yeah, which is why I would speak of the soul so unfettered.
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For, what's a better word to describe that which we do not have a full grasp on? (edited)
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:28
True
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It's a mistake of modern thought that we have anywhere near a full understanding - or even a tiny percentage - of the universe-at-large.. but that's a rabbit hole that runs deep.
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It's a mistake of modern thought that we have anywhere near a full understanding - or even a tiny percentage - of the universe-at-large.. but that's a rabbit hole that runs deep.
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:32
I don't think I'll follow that white rabbit
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Not today
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No, I wouldn't recommend it.
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For on the map to that space, writ bold, is "Here there be dragons."
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:34
So the mythology thing that popped in my head, is The Trainman supposed to represent Charon?
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I think they was the name
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Yeah.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:34
I thought so
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The space where we see Neo is Mobil Ave - an anagram for Limbo.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:36
Since the trailer came out my brain has started actually putting pieces together. Kinda like it reawakened my memories of the trilogy, then attached it to some of the other things I used to dive into (edited)
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Nice.
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So the mythology thing that popped in my head, is The Trainman supposed to represent Charon?
From a certain PoV the Merv represents the Devil.
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(Be that in the form of Christian Satan or Hades.)
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:39
It's really weird honestly cause I'm at work just having all these mini epiphanies 😁
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Heh, just don't tumble too far into Wonderland.
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The Red Queen is a might bitch.
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I tend to classify Matrix characters more by philosophical outlook than religious symbolism, so the Merovingian is simply "we are slaves to our own impulses" hedonism to me
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Heh, just don't tumble too far into Wonderland.
Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:40
I'm trying not to
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a lot of Matrix character's main purpose is to represent a philosophical position of some kind imo
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I tend to classify Matrix characters more by philosophical outlook than religious symbolism, so the Merovingian is simply "we are slaves to our own impulses" hedonism to me
Oh, that's fair, but these symbols are related to those outlooks.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:41
I'm seeing it on a few different levels
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Always.
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Burly Brawl! Woooo!
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:42
That was just VFX porn and we all know it
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The hero punch was awesome though
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Take that Rocky spit take
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Well, yes, but it's still fun.
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The line bothers me.. "Comprehension is not a requisite for cooperation." (edited)
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(When the Council is asking for a couple of ships to go look for the Neb.)
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 22:53
yeah, the Council bothered me in general
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Oh, I'm generally alright with it.. but that particular line vexes me.
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That's an old person's way of saying "Fuck off and sit down Lock"
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It is, yes.
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I love it XD
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However I still chafe against the verbiage.
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And would be .. duly irked over the matter. Of course, the Councilor in question has the authority to do so.
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Chafed cause of the tone of the speaker or is this a grammatical complaint?
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Tone, word choice, and the general concept presented.
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Because he's not wrong.
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And that annoys me on a fundamental level.
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hahaha
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getting old is fuckin' weird bro ❤️
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Oh, my kneejerk reaction at the time when it came out was about the same.
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waffle stomping kids isn't always that fun
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but
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Still pisses me off, but now I've had to do it a few times to kids at this point.
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Old age and treachery will defeat youth and skill every time
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😉
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"I'll explain why this is important later. But for now, just do it."
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"Ain't got time for your lip boy!"
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Because I still haven't gotten over that question, myself. I will cooperate if I have and agree with the why.
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That is, I still agree with the Merv on the matter in the next scene. Why is the important question.
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Also, Morpheus/Neo/Trin all suck at civil negotiations. lol
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They could have actually gotten what they wanted had they handled the negotiations better.
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And, I must say, what the Merv does in that scene is a rape most foul.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 23:29
I don't know, Merv may have not been open to negotiations the whole time
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The answer was always no, but he enjoyed the entertainment
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The right pull would have revealed more about it, though.
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It's not about getting a "yes", it's about getting enough information during the negotiations.
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Deriving the why as it were.
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Nic Der Hund 29.9.2021. 23:31
true enough
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I really appreciate just how brutal the one brawl in the Real is.
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yea, it's a great artistic choice because it provides a genuine contrast between the real world and the Matrix, whereas Matrix fights are very stylized and over-the-top Neo fighting Bane very much looks like two people having a fight in real life
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Man, Captain Mifune... that scene just hurts.
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astro_icecream🍦 30.9.2021. 2:17
YouTube suggested a Revolutions behind the scenes for sound design for me the other day. In order to make the punching sounds realistic they recorded the sound from 2 huge martial arts guys repeatedly banging their chests against each other. Lol. Made punching each other look less painful.
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Wonder what happened to his digital self, or would he have been outright gone?
RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 5:23
Overwritten but not killed. Remember that at the end, after Smith gets deleted, Neo's RSI appears. Programs that were overwritten by Smith returned to their normal function. I think if Bane had been jacked in at the time that Smith was deleted, his mind could've been salvaged. He'd still have a hard time answering to Zion's authorities for his actions as Bane-Smith though.
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The way he nailed Weaving's pitch, timbre, and tone.
RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 5:29
Absolutely. When I saw Revolutions I legitimately thought that he was Hugo Weaving but with just enough make up.
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RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 5:39
Question: Did Bane's head actually explode, when Neo took him out?
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Well, his head was bashed in with a metal pole.
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Full form swing, so....
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Kinda, yeah, "explode" would be a way to put it.
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RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 5:52
Yeah, I remember on the DVD. Theres the shot where Neo drops the crowbar , and opens the hatch to free Trinity. In the foreground, Bane's body is on the floor.
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I have to admit, by that scene I've always gotten lost in the emotions of it all... though, yeah, I recall seeing Bane.
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Absolutely. When I saw Revolutions I legitimately thought that he was Hugo Weaving but with just enough make up.
I could tell it wasn't Hugo Weaving but his actor really did do a great job copying Smith's exact speech mannerisms and facial cues (edited)
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apparently the guy, Ian Bliss is his name, was a complete unknown before and after playing Bane, and he was actually specifically chosen precisely because he could do the best Hugo Weaving impression out of anybody the Wachowski sisters could find
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apparently the guy, Ian Bliss is his name, was a complete unknown before and after playing Bane, and he was actually specifically chosen precisely because he could do the best Hugo Weaving impression out of anybody the Wachowski sisters could find
RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 6:10
He may not be famous but his Wikipedia shows he's got a pretty decent resume in Australian TV shows. He went to NIDA and starred in stuff like Home and Away, and Underbelly. My guess is that he's one of those actors who's not interested in hitting the big time, and would rather be keeping things local.
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Potential minor nitpicky plothole: 1. Kid tells Neo that next year he'll be old enough to join a crew. 2. When grilled for his age by Mifune he confesses he is only 16, despite needing to be 18 to join the defense unit So he was apparently lying on one of those counts or there's a minor writing error
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his birthday might be next month still in this year
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so then he is 17, and next year he will be 18 😉
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also, Mouse is part of the neb "crew" despite looking young ? maybe crew has lower age requirement than 18, while defense military shoot shoot is 18 (edited)
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also, Mouse is part of the neb "crew" despite looking young ? maybe crew has lower age requirement than 18, while defense military shoot shoot is 18 (edited)
RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 9:02
This. Fighting Sentinels and operating Mechs would be more dangerous than jacking in. (edited)
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Potential minor nitpicky plothole: 1. Kid tells Neo that next year he'll be old enough to join a crew. 2. When grilled for his age by Mifune he confesses he is only 16, despite needing to be 18 to join the defense unit So he was apparently lying on one of those counts or there's a minor writing error
RazorScumm 2.10.2021. 9:13
IIRC he was telling a white lie to Mifune. Knowing the gravity of the situation, he wanted to help anyways and made the point that machines would kill him anyways regardless of his age.
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Fair point
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This. Fighting Sentinels and operating Mechs would be more dangerous than jacking in. (edited)
Seaweed713 2.10.2021. 16:02
Can't have jacking in without the possibility of having to fight in the machine world
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just rewatched Revolutions, can definitely confirm the Exiles still tend to be the most compelling characters
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also the Club Hel shootout is the whole trilogy's most underrated action scene, as short as it is
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Exiles being underutilized is still one of the more major criticisms I have with the sequels, yea I know it checks out
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Exiles being underutilized is still one of the more major criticisms I have with the sequels, yea I know it checks out
Agreed, I would love a Merovingian or Exile centered Matrix movie.
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So after all the hype, I've been doing a re-watch as well this last week
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also the Club Hel shootout is the whole trilogy's most underrated action scene, as short as it is
Also just watched Revolutions again, that scene felt like a re-do of the original lobby shootout scene, except tighter-packed and more straightforward, with more moving parts, good stuff
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I'm halfway through animatrix, stopped after beyond (edited)
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2R 1&2 are still phenomenal even if it's only in HD (WTB 4K remaster PST)
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rewatching Kid's Story made me cry tbh
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That was exactly where I was in high school
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yeah that's always been a tough one to watch, the animation is still endearing though
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But for the real one of the peaks of the whole franchise is back to back to back Beyond/Detective Story/Matriculated tbh
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Just a nonstop string of excellent stuff
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Matriculated is a headtrip though and it's fantastic
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gotta get good and proper stoned before re-watching that one
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Weakest shorts I think are Program and Osiris: Program is like "the director really just wanted to do a samurai swordfight and he had to shoehorn it into The Matrix" Osiris is just background lore and dated CGI, the clothes ripping is hilarious though (edited)
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Program is gorgeous for what it is
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and playing out another Cypher scenario was great
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Beyond was very ephemeral and I felt like I was floating through the episode
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I agree but it really feels like the connection to The Matrix was a stretch beyond that, admittedly the ending making you wonder if Duo really even exists is neat though
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Duo was the guy she punched after getting unplugged in the real
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Oh, right, couldn't make him out under the armor tbh
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Also Program and World Record had that Phantom 2040 look and feel to the animation what I've always enjoyed
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World Record is probably one of the best concepts of all the shorts
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The warping and shapes that form and unform with movement, so perfect for showing what was happening to his muscles
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I came out of it thinking "that guy is an ABSOLUTE BADASS"
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Him and The Kid, only two examples of self substantiation IIRC
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Ngl The Animatrix just really makes me get how much unused potential the whole setting is as a storytelling universe, there is an alternate timeline where people didn't walk out of the theater thinking the sequels were the worst movies they had ever seen at the time and The Matrix operated as grounds for official fanfic a la Star Wars
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I will fly into a black hole that takes me to that timeline
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We needed more Exile monster mash shenanigans outside of the video games
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Detective Story is my jam - because I loves me my Film Noir.
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That said, Program... I adore the concept there because the conclusion in the construct is just magnificent.
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In a way Program is an extension of the dojo scene from the first Matrix & Final Flight of the Osiris'.
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The other one that gets a ** for me is the one with the haunted house... drawing a blank on the name, but the innocence of that one is heartwarming in the juxtaposition of the unyielding System.
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I've spent the better part of the day watching the original movie 4 times, Laserdisc, VHS DVD and Bluray. 4K will be maybe later
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Gorgeous.
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I have a VCD coming from Thailand too
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 17:15
I wish I had my posters still
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Anyone have some good quality scans of the pack in posters for the DVD version?
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 19:26
is it on Hi8 or Beta?
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I doubt Beta, but thought I would ask
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:04
anyone with the bluray version wanna see if they can ID this? don't know why it stuck out to me. Time mark is around 2:00:28 in The Matrix (edited)
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also random cool shot
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and I also noticed the agents were shooting silver bullets? may have just been the lighting
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he was throwing a knife
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he was throwing a knife
Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:20
yeah, I was trying to capture the first shot and got the second one too by accident
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didn't get a shot of the silver bullets though, let me find that again
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also I'm actually curious what movie is on the TV in that shot is
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:21
I mean it might be totally nothing, but it caught my eye
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I recognize the film the werewolves are watching in Reloaded when Persephone walks in to be a movie adaption of The Pit and the Pendulum
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:24
There's the silver bullets
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I understand why the Merv crew has them, thought it was odd the agents did too
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that doesn't really look like a pure bright silver to me, just an ordinary bullet color, but if Agents are also tasked with hunting down Exiles they probably have used silver bullets before
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:26
This is true
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and I will admit the lighting is odd
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but....
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Idk, throw it in the speculation bin, you might be right and they also hunt exiles
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"Chasing you was like chasing a ghost."
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Smith to Seraph
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I always chocked it up to odd lighting & nascent technology.
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That said, I could see it being specifically in prep for the "supernatural" hunting you're thinking of.
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:30
yeah, I'm also really hyped so I may be seeing things that aren't there too, but I will keep it in the bin
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ON TO RELOADED
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Though, it begs the question - what happens to the round the Agents shot after they depart?
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Because an autopsy on a body so shot by silver bullets would result in some quizzical response.
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(Had Neo died... "Why did the agent feel the need to shoot the individual in question so many times at point blank range?")
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they could easily just alter the code to look like normal bullets tbh, it's implied the machines can actually alter the code of the Matrix itself pretty fast when they want to
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:34
Wait, what if they are steel?
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those things did penetrate a wall
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Because an autopsy on a body so shot by silver bullets would result in some quizzical response.
Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:35
I think in the case of them killing a red pill, there would be no autopsy
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the body would "not exist"
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The body doesn't disappear, though.
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also, yea, that too, the machines can easily edit RSIs on the fly as well
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that's how Agent possession works in the first place
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True.
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However, if the body is injured/willful it will resist.
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The body doesn't disappear, though.
Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:36
it doesn't dissolve, but IRL bodies have been made to dissapear
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I mean that's just classic cleaner stuff
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Oh, that way.
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:37
plus a quick edit of the enviroment and nothing happened
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Well, sequestering the crimescene for the Fed.
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"Fed" that is.
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:38
yep
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Hooves =/= zebras 😄
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(As we see in the Animatrix, significant edit isn't just deja vue like the bricked up windows.)
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:40
No, but it's not like anyone would notice, plus a few dozen (hundred) bullet holes is far easier than a full on glitch
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Fair, and unfortunately it's not like we have the applied process.
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Nic Der Hund 3.10.2021. 22:43
I'll also keep an eye out for more steel or silver bullets in Reloaded
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I know you see the silver ones in the Chateau
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 0:36
A full metal jacket (FMJ) bullet is a small-arms projectile consisting of a soft core (often lead) encased in an outer shell ("jacket") of harder metal, such as gilding metal, cupronickel, or, less commonly, a steel alloy. A bullet jacket generally allows for higher muzzle velocities than bare lead without depositing significant amounts of meta...
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A full metal jacket (FMJ) bullet is a small-arms projectile consisting of a soft core (often lead) encased in an outer shell ("jacket") of harder metal, such as gilding metal, cupronickel, or, less commonly, a steel alloy.
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the latter two are definitely gray in color
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 1:02
also: this is a bar (edited)
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nothing special on the inside though
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does it still exist? because holy shit I wanna go in there
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ah
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fuck
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 1:03
i think so, yeah
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everything thats matrix related about this place you can see on the photo
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the latter two are definitely gray in color
Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 1:11
That would make since
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odd for sure, but there are more odd choices in the design of the matrix
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I didn't think of FMJ with a steel jacket, I'm used to the standard cupronickel with that dark golden sheen
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Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 1:26
Nice to be watching the trilogy again and get my memory reorganized. I have an issue of mixing and combining things in a weird non-linear fashion
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 2:27
i really think choosing silver color bullets has something to do with the overall color choices
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a copper color coating may just have been too red
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and red always had somewhat of a special place in the movie, where it stood out
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Red is largely reserved for Zion in the movies
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 2:28
either that or copper color looked like shit with the green tint
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especially the cave
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 2:35
wasnt zion blue?
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i mean yeah, a lot more natural colors in the real world, but mostly blue i think
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wasnt zion blue?
the Real World was blue, yes, but inner Zion like the cave was very much Red
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David T. Gregory 4.10.2021. 2:38
i really need to rewatch the movies
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the Real World was blue, yes, but inner Zion like the cave was very much Red
Close to the earth's core, where it's still warm
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nothing special on the inside though
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.10.2021. 3:16
You mean there's no rave orgy inside? 😦 That's disappointing. neo
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the Real World was blue, yes, but inner Zion like the cave was very much Red
Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 3:22
If I understand I think it's machines = blue, free humans = red, matrix = green
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ok, yea, that gets at it better
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Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 3:22
also, hello miriam 😛
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anyone with the bluray version wanna see if they can ID this? don't know why it stuck out to me. Time mark is around 2:00:28 in The Matrix (edited)
It's off 'The Prisoner' a TV show from 1967
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It's off 'The Prisoner' a TV show from 1967
Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 12:21
How fitting
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Yeah quite obscure. Never though I O see what it was but only recently got the 4K so that's what my screen grab is from
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It's a really good show, the whole series is on Prime atm I think
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Is that the show with the people having numbers and the weird ball that suffocates you if you try to escape?
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yep
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I only know of this through The Simpsons BTW
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such an educational show
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lol
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I don't watch a lot of British shows, their sense of humor doesn't really appeal to me.
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Which is ironic since Austin Powers is a parody on British culture and that still makes me LOL
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the prisoner is like a dystopian sci fi show, dude trapped in a false reality of sorts, captors trying to extract information
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the prisoner is like a dystopian sci fi show, dude trapped in a false reality of sorts, captors trying to extract information
Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 14:25
Wow, they really did pick a good show to make an Easter egg
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That scene was right after freeing Morpheus
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From what I understand that show was one of the many places they took inspiration from
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that show used to be on one of those "classic tv" cable channel I had....it was cool, I watched a few episodes, but I was lost on the story...
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Absolute perfect show to put on the TV there yea
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10 year old me thought the Chateau swordfight was the peak of cinema
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24 year old me seems to be coming back around to that
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it's still my favorite fight scene in any of the movies
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it's still my favorite fight scene in any of the movies
Nic Der Hund 4.10.2021. 23:15
30 year old me doesn't disagree
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tbh, maybe it's just because I grew up watching them after the fact, but... I really still don't understand how you could like the first movie but not the sequels, the Matrix only really feels special and unique when watched as a trilogy, like yea the first film is solid on its own and is very quotable and has great fight scenes, but like, story wise it's practically just a prologue, a lot of the film is spent just explaining what the Matrix is, and even though Neo becomes the One at the end the movie doesn't really end with anything really resolved, the sequels imo tend to show the meat of The Matrix as a proper universe and actually do original things thematically
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If there really was only ever one Matrix movie I would be frustrated because the story and concept were clearly hinting at more than just a regular hero's journey
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 12:26
Totally agree. There was a point where i had only seen the first one and didn't know the others existed. Even at that young age I felt like there should have been more to it. In fact it was the first movie that had me saying "I want more of this". Honestly even after seeing so of them I still want more which is why I think most of us are here
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For me, what made the first movie better (best?) was the discovery part....you are in sort of in the same boat as Neo, dont know whats going on. Its the slow reveal and understanding what made it great. Also, all the deeper subtexts were there to discover, not spelled out for you. Thats why the next movies didnt have the impact - a lot of the deeper stuff is just spelled out. And we've whipped the dead horse of CGI that takes you out of the moment, too long scenes etc. (edited)
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And the extremely cheeseball music, waaaaaay too long fight scenes that wasted valuable screentime that could have been used on much more interesting stuff
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and good lord the shitty full CG humans instead of using actors :|
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yeah...jarring
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I keep hearing people say shit like 'looking back, it doesn't look that great,' it looked awful in the theater in 2003
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took me right out of the film
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it did, I remember deflating seeing it - like "ah man"
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yep
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the old 'theater seat sink'
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and 'jesus christ can this fight scene please be over'
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It's peppered with cool matrix stuff
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the live action fight scenes in the first movie really sold it, cgi was a major disappointment for me
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The numerous cereal pieces you have to eat before getting to the marshmallows of the actual Matrix lore, the expansion of the world, going beyond the introduction the first film set up. It just made up too little of the film, too busy doing crappy CG fite seens.
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Really wish there was an edit of Reloaded and Revolutions that eliminated the fluff and just left the meat in. Too bad there nothing that can be added tho
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I guess if superhero movies or straight up action movies are your bag, those two movies are good, as they're very much that and peppered with the headier stuff
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would have been cool if the 2nd movie had more to do with Neo ascending over the next few months, then mash Reloaded and Rev together for a 3rd
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There actually is an edit of Reloaded/Revolutions, but the dude either missed the point entirely, or did it on purpose (The Matrix Revolutions Decoded). It's a decent (As far as the amount of work and planning that went into it) edit but it's kind of annoying (edited)
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I lean toward home cheese didn't understand it lol
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I never did watch that...but everyone seems to come to those 2 movies with a different take on what they are, so its understandable.
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I'd recommend watching it for 'research purposes,' it's an interesting take
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Youtube, right?
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Some of the edits make sense, but there's stuff removed that's important, and demonstrates dude didn't quite understand why it's important
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Nah, sec it's linked #fan-films
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There's a bit of discussion below you should check out
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lol I forgot they cut 'where's my pus-HEY!'
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thank god
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No more helping Uncle Link find his cat
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I found the link and the password....Ill check it out
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ty
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Yeah and cutting out Seraph's brief fight. Why
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That one actually had a purpose
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RazorScumm 5.10.2021. 14:56
I just finished watching Reloaded.
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Its strange how once the Zion section of the film ends, the pace drastically picks up- even with the dialogue from The Merovingian and The Architect.
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Most of the scenes in Zion are boring for me. The overall wooden acting from Zion characters doesnt help
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Most of the scenes in Zion are boring for me. The overall wooden acting from Zion characters doesnt help
RazorScumm 5.10.2021. 15:07
What kills it is that the character arcs in Zion are rushed to be set up.
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maybe...although I cant think of who I would want to know more about. Honestly, I just dont care about "the real world" part of the matrix movies.
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Cave rave is omitted in Decoded as well lol
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maybe...although I cant think of who I would want to know more about. Honestly, I just dont care about "the real world" part of the matrix movies.
RazorScumm 5.10.2021. 15:21
I think the Wachowskis tried to add too many characters and didn't know what to do with them.
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maybe...although I cant think of who I would want to know more about. Honestly, I just dont care about "the real world" part of the matrix movies.
RazorScumm 5.10.2021. 15:22
Makes me wonder what would've been in the script if Marcus Chong was kept in the cast
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probably just less retarded 'voice of the audience in an action movie' lines
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the operator would have been less of a cartoon
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I don't think it would have impacted the rest of the film
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YESS! I CAN'T TAKE THIS!! He's doing his superman thing!
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stfu link
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Too bad Marcus Chong torpedoed his own career tho. I didn't know what to make of it besides the fact that he wanted more money than he was worth, but after seeing his self produced 'documentary,' yeah that guy's kinda off the rails
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He was fantastic as Tank
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Yeah, honestly there had to be beef, that franchise made major money, just pay him ffs lol.
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Harold Perrineau probably cost quite a bit? Why not give it to Chong (yeah, he was crazy, and as Ive said in the past: so what? Hes not the only nutjob in hollywood)
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As far as the Neb crew goes, I liked him the best - he had personal moments with Neo that gave his character some relevance.
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I guess the thing is they have technical flaws yet are still overall far more ambitious thematically than the first film, I actually really like the way they tear apart and outright attack the first film's mythos and despite the padding can't really imagine just watching the first one and then stopping
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Maybe because a straightforward "you're a wizard, Harry" thing on its own doesn't cut it for me
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I would probably also conceive an edit of some kind but I would disagree with a lot of people on what should be cut and what shouldn't, cave orgy's one of the best parts lmao
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 16:46
lack of foresight on the actors behalf. had he been in all 3 movies he wouldve been worth MUCH more in the end
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thing about reloaded is that it features a shitload of buildup. i can understand why they chose to go with so many long action scenes but sometimes it shouldve been more subtle
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It definitely was supposed to be one movie, I can tell that for a fact
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 16:50
shouldve been one movie, for sure
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I feel like if you watched them individually Reloaded is all setup and Revolutions is all payoff, but tbh I've always watched them as a trilogy since I was a kid so I basically saw all 3 movies as one really long 6 hour movie
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but granted without the sequels the first movie would be solid but unremarkable and so I still think the Matrix only really works as a trilogy
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the ways the sequels build upon the first film actually makes that film better too
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and while I do think a lot of Zion scenes are padding, considering that one of the whole themes of the sequels is "waiting for a chosen one to save you by doing all the work is actually a really bad idea that doesn't pan out" to some extent I think some of the emphasis on the side characters was intentional
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 16:56
see, side characters is where i think they fucked it up big time
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there are so many in 2 and 3, yet most of them are just there. no explanation, no whatever, theyre just there
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and for a franchise that goes deep into other things thats a damn shame
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merv for example
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Star Wars Cantina scene Magic. Adds a lot of flavor and texture to the world without the effort of pre-loaded Exposition for every minor character.
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I think the weird part is that somehow despite these movies being stretched out as they are there's somehow still stuff that is there but not really fleshed out, pretty much everything Niobe's doing in Reloaded feels pointless on its own because you're expected to buy a video game to understand it, and the way they drop a bombshell of "vampires are and werewolves are canonically real" and then never actually really utilize such a thing
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 16:58
who the fuck is he, why does he have all this power in the matrix
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So like I get these movies probably don't need to be longer and yet somehow there's still stuff that feels incomplete
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 16:58
hes just a guy who happens to speak french, is friends with a lot of freaks and always has a someone that needs to be liberated in order to advance the story
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A lot of characters in the sequels largely exist to represent a certain philisophical worldview, the Merovingian is definitely continental French philosophy, a school that had an obsessive fetish with being as obtuse and gaudy as possible
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:01
yeah and smith is determinism/nihilism and still has more depth to his personality
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if you add that kinda concept to your movie you cant just be superficial about it
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A lot of scenes make a lot more sense as "Neo debating another school of thought", I think ironically the twin commentary tracks explain so much here (critics hate it, philosophers love it)
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:03
debating...with guns and martial arts
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it's anime, baby!
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:03
"Your argument is illogical!" - starts firing
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hell as someone who studied philosophy for 2 semesters id agree itd be much more fun that way
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if you win in the philosophical thunderdome, you get tenure. if you lose, at least you wont have to deal with being depressed from critical theory et al anymore
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Honestly a lot of things about the sequels seem to be "live-action anime", all the things that feel odd about them as films are exactly the type of thing that's at home in the realm of a lot of anime, anime loves having too many side characters and convoluted plots
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:06
thats probably why i never really got into it
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still, even if i can appreciate what they were trying to do, i think its sometimes very bland and superficial
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but i believe that if you introduce something new in a story, make it mean something
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I have seen at least 50 different comments over my life along the lines of "The Wachowski sisters just direct live action anime, huh?" so I will clarify I did not pull that out of my ass
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:11
instead we get characters like super-janitor and fired train driver who became a hobo
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yeah i know about the comparisons
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just dont know enough about anime to truly verify them
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instead we get characters like super-janitor and fired train driver who became a hobo
Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 17:12
Hey, don't diss the train man. Probably the only person that could beat Neo
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😋
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:13
only in his own train station
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 17:13
True, still counts though
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Just wait till he gets him on his gyrocopter
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:16
i still firmly believe that this is what the program responsible for creating and managing cats looks like
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I also agree that the original idea of having had the Second Renaissance be the second proper Matrix film would have been a good one
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A lot of how Neo chooses to end the war doesn't really make sense without it, big L on the execs there
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:21
hell yeah
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see thats where you could also introduce a lot of these side characters
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that was actually the original idea tbf, Second Renaissance was supposed to be the second movie and then Reloaded/Revolutions was supposed to be the third one, WB scrapped the second one and demanded the third one be two movies (edited)
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 17:24
how stupid, seriously
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wouldve added much more depth that way
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Late to the discussion, but just wanna say, I essentially love all of these takes
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Could be shorter, but I wouldn't mind extended cuts even. I love link, but wish he was less audience surrogate. Zee was great, and I wish the Zionites got more fleshing out, like Mifune (so I don't keep confusing him w Lock) and Charra (badass), things like that
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Idk, lots to think about
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 18:06
I wouldn't have minded a short film covering a blue pill perspective. Just a little slice of life thing
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Though younger me would've hated it
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Pepper it with a bit more of the lore and such
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Or exiles, that would be cool too
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Isn’t that essentially “Beyond” in the Animatrix?
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 18:09
Oh yeah, I guess so
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Might have to go watch those again
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Also would make for some cool screen grabs to add to my wall paper folder
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Speaking of, I wonder if I can bug someone here with the Blu-ray version of reloaded to grab a shot for me
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I got the Blu-ray version, but my PS4 is my Blu-ray player
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PCS only got the DVD still
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Which is something considering most computer rigs nowadays
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I have several favorites in The Animatrix, but Beyond strikes a chord bigtime
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 18:45
I don't remember the names of all the shorts off hand, but if that's the one I think it is, I liked it too
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I don't remember the names of all the shorts off hand, but if that's the one I think it is, I liked it too
Beyond is the one with the haunted house and the stupid cat who won't come inside for food.
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 18:47
My memory is kinda weird
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Girl was kinda cute, had a tattoo?
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Yea
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It was 90s anime style
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 18:49
Ok, then yeah
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I liked it
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World record was my favorite style though, but only barely beating beyond (edited)
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The haunted house/glitch house thing the kids discovered,
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Something about how they portrayed that 'moment of lucidity,' when she fell over and stopped herself midair, so much like realizing you're in a lucid dream. Good stuff
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 19:00
Oh for sure
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I'm trying to remember, one of them made me uncomfortable the first time I watched it and I don't know why
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I loved Matriculated except for the extremely stiff voice acting in the English version. Wondering that was the one
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 19:06
Maybe
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:07
matriculated was the one where they capture a machine and plug it in, right
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Yeah, always reminds me of the Oliver Wendell Holmes quote
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"Man's mind, stretched to a new idea, never goes back to its original dimension."
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It's referred to frequently in psychedelic culture
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:09
well, matriculated was a big acid trip for sure
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I mean, that's vastly oversimplifying it. But yeah it's fairly trippy. I loved the idea of exposing a machine to experiences and choices and sensations it never would have had with the goal of 'freeing its mind'
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:11
and it wasnt even an important machine
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says a lot about how their AI is built
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it's also really good because it's another one of those things that deconstructs the "machine unthinking evil always" logic the first movie runs on
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:15
to be fair, there wasnt really a lot of opportunity for human-machine dialogue in the first one
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even neo only understood that the oracle is a program in reloaded
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Smith did take Cypher out for a really romantic dinner tho :D
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Classical music, delicious steak
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But yeah, things like the Sentinels, I never thought they could be shackled AI inside a killing machine until Matriculated
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:17
"Your purpose is to...satisfy me...Mr. Reagan."
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As soon as the.. whatever the machine was called in Matriculated... had his cathartic experience and shed his coating, even as it was going down the drain, he was grabbing after it like a puppy or something (edited)
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I got the impression he didn't know what it was, just some marble
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Maybe I read too much into it
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:18
it was all he knew at the time
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all the sense of identity
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I got the impression he kinda 'woke up' at that moment, didn't think the 'marble' was his sense of identity, just some little doodad going down a drain
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Not really knowing that was his prison all this time
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One of the great things about Matriculated, it's vague and abstract in some details, leaving lots of room for interpretation. But definitely specific on what it's about and what's going on
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:21
okay, im not much into psychedelic culture, but id imagine it being like tripping real hard and kind of losing connection with your body for a while
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dissociation or something
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if that aint scary, idk what is
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It's not the tripping part tho, they expose him to different types of interaction. People having fun, the monkey thing in pain, affection, music (loud as shit music),
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 19:22
sure, i was just referring to that specific scene
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Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 19:59
On a different note, 2nd Ren. was the first time I'd seen graphic animated violence
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Among other things
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you know one thing definitely unique about these movies is how unusually meek and humble Neo is about everything even after becoming The One, it really does set them apart from all the action movies where the protagonists are macho badasses who act like they have no fear
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'now i have a machine gun, ho ho ho'
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like... it's actually really subtly brilliant how right before his iconic bullet dodging moment, his first response is just to scream "Help!" before doing it, and even after being told that nobody had ever managed such a thing before he's like "well it wasn't enough"
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there's a vulnerability to his character that most action movie stars lack
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there's a vulnerability to his character that most action movie stars lack
Nic Der Hund 5.10.2021. 22:28
This, this right here
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The matrix 4 in 4d and the internals gonna be insane man (edited)
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Although I’m worried about matrix 4 because mentally disable people are gonna be directing it
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Mentally disabled, how?
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David T. Gregory 5.10.2021. 23:35
...here we go again
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Hey what a neat interface
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I wonder if that GIF gets sent to the user
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lol, get rekt
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David T. Gregory 6.10.2021. 21:32
i srsly dont get it
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if the directors gender identity affects you that much, why even watch
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Nic Der Hund 6.10.2021. 21:36
Seriously, I heard the news about it at one point, shrugged, and watched them all again (edited)
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David T. Gregory 6.10.2021. 21:37
in the end it doesnt even matter (C) Linkin Park
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guess what bothers me the most is that folks cant stay true to their convictions, even if theyre asshole-ish
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this whole "i dont like who they are but imma watch anyway cause duh" shit is just plain fucking hypocrisy
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shrugs society hates us for some reason, don't really get it, I think in this particular case they really liked The Matrix growing up and somehow feel personally betrayed that the creators were transgender
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David T. Gregory 6.10.2021. 21:49
i cant understand since when "live and let live" aka "not giving a fuck" has become such a despised way of life
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why do so many people feel like they gotta actively oppose what they dont personally like
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That never changed
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David T. Gregory 6.10.2021. 21:50
its just sad
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Hey all, just found the server 🙂
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shrugs society hates us for some reason, don't really get it, I think in this particular case they really liked The Matrix growing up and somehow feel personally betrayed that the creators were transgender
I wish Switch was portrayed as they originally planned
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as someone who is one gender in the real world but the opposite in the matrix
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that was genius stuff
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I always thought that would have added a lot to the reality. And being a 17 year old when I saw the original in theaters, I can honestly say 17 year old me would have dug it. But you know movie execs, squeamish about making squares uncomfortable, affecting sales
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deep sigh this world...
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 1:42
Gotta love Corporate America
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They only give the average idiot what they want. That's their job.
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Made by the lowest bidder
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Outsourcing, outsourcing, outsourcing!
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Hard agree, Switch switching would have been fantastic
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The average idiot doesn't care. If sales suffered because the product was garbage, maybe things would change. But they won't, because the vast majority of media consumers are just fine with it, and they'll keep buying it
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But yeah, nixing the original Switch idea stings
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:05
This is why Hollywood films aren't art anymore. They're just made for mindless consumption.
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Yo dawg let's go see free guy
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:06
It's also why the MCU is now on the D list of superheroes because it keeps making money
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Wouldn't surprise me if they released a MCU movie about Tony Stark's maid at some point.
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I thought 'ready player one for zoomers' was an odd analysis, that movie was pretty trash.
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Sounds like the kind of garbage that I want to consume after work when I don't want to fucking think so I'm okay with that lol
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So, it's even worse than that?
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Yeah, just watch 'ow my balls'
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:08
I have those kind of movies as well, those "brains off" kind of movies.
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I love 'stupid funny' flicks, like Super Troopers or something
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Wouldn't surprise me if they released a MCU movie about Tony Stark's maid at some point.
The MCU releasing a movie about a battle maid would get me into theatres for the first time in years, fucking fight me.
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Though every other movie Broken Lizard made was really junky
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Unfunny and just stupid. Gotta strike that balance lol
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And the sequel was just douche chill inducing (super troopers sequel)
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:11
MST3K (and RiffTrax) is good about finding good stupid movies.
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Yeah, just watch 'ow my balls'
Idiocracy was art and Mike Judge is a goddamn artist! You take that shit back!
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I mean literally, watch 'ow my balls'
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Sorry, Idiocracy is a bad movie now because it was too fucking prescient
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hahaha
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tbh the MCU ruined dumb movies, dumb movies were actually fun beforehand
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I liked Idiocracy. Stupid fucking movies are almost literally as dumb as 'ow my balls'
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(I dunno, I haven't actually watched it and frankly I don't want to because I value my mental health)
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I'm gonna go watch the season finale of What If...? cause it's gonna be lit and I don't wanna think too hard so yall can suck it 😛
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:13
I only saw bits and pieces of Idiocracy
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Idiocracy is absolutely worth your time
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Couldn't care less about the comic book money machine flicks. Not even because of the money machine bit, I just find them shallow as fuck, and I just can't get into flicks that hinge on magic powers
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Just don't care
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
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> can't get into flicks that hinge on magic powers > moderator for The Matrix discord
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brb updating profile pic
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I dug Batman, Batman Returns, and Chris Nolan's Dark Knight.
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I liked the first Wonder Woman movie
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hated it cause it gave the poor kids the idea that DC movies were good
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Dark Knight Rises (whichever one had bane) bored the crap out of me
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for you
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As did Batman Begins
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idk man, Nolan was good Bateman
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> can't get into flicks that hinge on magic powers > moderator for The Matrix discord
Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:17
to be fair, The Matrix Universe does hinges on some rules inside of a computer program.
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before that my favorite Batman was George Cloony
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so I may or may not have shit taste
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:17
The Dark Knight is a masterclass of how to actually do a superhero movie.
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Nolan? You mean Bale?
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The Dark Knight is a masterclass of how to actually do a superhero movie.
Absolutely
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Bale didn't direct it
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:17
Thank god Nolan stopped at a Trilogy.
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gimme my american psychopath joke dammit
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:18
No
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:18
You haven't earned it
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Lel you said Clooney after that
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:18
And thank gods Nolan didn't bring back the bat nipple
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for SHAME
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to be fair, The Matrix Universe does hinges on some rules inside of a computer program.
Every magic system does, if it's well-written.
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Let's hear it for the Joel Schumacher shitpiles tho (edited)
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I'm not gonna kinkshame that man
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not here not nowhere
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Batman Forever and Batman & Robin have to be the worst.
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If not, among the worst
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Member these lol
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haha, looks like something to order off of MTV at 2am
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Wacky Packages
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in the days of Garbage Pail Kids and stuff, trading cards that were also stickers
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Metalogic 7.10.2021. 2:25
They need to bring back Garbage Pail Kids, but in the form of a monster battle game like Pokemon
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Hobocop was another one
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had a bunch of those stupid things as a wee lad
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.10.2021. 2:34
this 4
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David T. Gregory 7.10.2021. 5:00
hobocop? wat
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David T. Gregory 7.10.2021. 14:24
what the... 🤣
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Wow Wacky Packages lol
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yessssss
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I think the only ones I remember off the top of my head were Fatman, Hobocop and Prez
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 7.10.2021. 15:18
Is this just clickbait-y rumours or is there going to be a 5th Matrix?
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Its supposed to be 3 new movies
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If it all goes well
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 7.10.2021. 17:48
*screams*
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whoa holy shit this is cool
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.10.2021. 21:26
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Manic Velocity 7.10.2021. 21:27
that's my house
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Manic Velocity
that's my house
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.10.2021. 21:28
Can I come live on your porch please.
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Manic Velocity 7.10.2021. 21:28
😄
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nah, someone just linked it to me on twitter
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I made some tiny LED displays years ago, about the size of a credit card, and it was a pain in the ass. I can't imagine the amount of time and money this guy spent on that.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.10.2021. 21:29
Doesn't matter how much money he spent. It was worth it. 😄
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I for real lol'd in real life when the second pumpkin buddy popped in to do the 2nd rap lines
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Just spent over £100 on Matrix themed makeup I’ll never use. 😂
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I'm now really curious
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What kind of music will be used in Ressurections? I hope it stays in tune with the old movies and doesnt move into trap territory
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I would be delighted if Don Davis is coming back, if anyone has heard one way or another
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Well we already know it's Tom Tykwer, composer for Run Lola Run among a bunch of other stuff
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ah-ha
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I will riot if there's not at least one Rage track
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he did the music for Club Hel in Revolutions too apparently?
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It can be Wake Up again for all I care
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oooh, very nice
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But I haven't seen anything else he did the music for
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Man I haven't seen Lola Rennt in forever
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That was my introduction to Franka Potente lol
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juno reactor is so good
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I'm an idiot, Tom Tykwer did Cloud Atlas too lol
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And Sense8
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I have nothing on sense8 since I didn't see that
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I enjoyed cloud atlas tho
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thought it was really good
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Didn't see Sense8 either, but yeah watched Cloud Atlas probably 15 times lol
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maybe more
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I will rewatch it as soon as I get some more weed, gotta see it with my wife 🙂
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Fantastic cast too, also Dermot Hoggins is probably my favorite character Tom Hanks has ever played lol
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Fookin' waiste!
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Aye want people to bouye me buuk, NEAU!
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....awful attempt to try to spell the accent lol
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sɀօΓ☈Γօ 9.10.2021. 9:33
I have an announcement to make: I’m gonna be in the next Matrix movie.
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Are ya?
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sɀօΓ☈Γօ 9.10.2021. 10:13
Yeah but I can’t really say anything other than that at this time
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RazorScumm 9.10.2021. 11:01
Thinking about my rewatch of Reloaded from last weekend. Im still surprised by the appearance of Nmap and the CRC exploit that Trinity uses to gain root access to the power plant. I'll assume that 'sshnuke' is just a bash script that she wrote and ran "chmod+x" on. But has there been any other semi realistic portrayal of hacking in film/tv shows? (edited)
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Fuck, there was one that I openly commended at one point, but it was years ago
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Just to finish off the HD-DVD collection
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you got an xbox 360 with a hd-dvd drive ?
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Deleted User 9.10.2021. 11:32
December cannot come fast enough 😊
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Yeah but I can’t really say anything other than that at this time
Yes, and my uncle own Nintendo. 😛
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Metalogic
Yes, and my uncle own Nintendo. 😛
sɀօΓ☈Γօ 9.10.2021. 20:44
I doubt that, however, if he were to put his whole heart to it, it is not outside of the realm of possibilities. I was almost in the last movie actually but there were some last minute changes. I did have some friends in production though
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I guess we'll see in December :P
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Hope that when the movie comes out you're around to tell us more
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The problem is that @sɀօΓ☈Γօ can point to a background character and say "See, that's me, I wasn't lying!" So I'm going to need some pretty hard evidence.
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We got like two months and some change
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Ain't that long
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It's like that guy we had awhile back who said he was part of the OG LESIG team during the Monolith days. He said he was going to mail me the MxO Bible, I never got that Bible so clearly he was telling a few tall tales.
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I’m Spartacus.
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No, I'm Spartacus
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No, I am Spartacus
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This is Patrick!
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And who is Sportacus ?
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That weird guy in Lazy Town?
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Metalogic
That weird guy in Lazy Town?
Exactly ! :)
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Well, I am Australian and knew the Spoon Kid in a round about way. Was weird and hung around in trees in public parks in a self knitted jumper
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Well, I am Australian and knew the Spoon Kid in a round about way. Was weird and hung around in trees in public parks in a self knitted jumper
Same here. Australian as well mate xD
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Watching Revolutions atm during its first hour. What are the VTs that Maggie is referring to when talking about Bane to Capt. Roland?
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VDTs
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DTs = Delirium Tremens
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Withdrawal from addictive substances can cause hallucinations, erratic behavior, etc.
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Happens to a lot of hardcore alcoholics when they put them in jail apparently
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V I can only surmise stands for 'Virtual'
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Happens to a lot of hardcore alcoholics when they put them in jail apparently
Cheers mate
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Delirium tremens (DTs) is a rapid onset of confusion usually caused by withdrawal from alcohol. When it occurs, it is often three days into the withdrawal symptoms and lasts for two to three days. Physical effects may include shaking, shivering, irregular heart rate, and sweating. People may also hallucinate. Occasionally, a very high body tempe...
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scary shit
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as an average Ozzie... thats just Monday morning 😛
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lol well that would be a hangover, it takes longer than that to DT
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"When it occurs, it is often three days into the withdrawal symptoms and lasts for two to three days."
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the image in that wikipedia article is nightmarish (edited)
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as an average Ozzie... thats just Monday morning 😛
As an aussie, im still hung over from the last night xD
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Just watched Neo v Bane-Smith fight..Holy shit.
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In the middle of the Zion siege. Wish me luck fellas
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xD
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Keanu can be completely blindfolded and still deliver a Oscar worthy performance
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"You don't recognize me Mister Anderson? I talk just like smith, I call you Mister Anderson, but still in this scene you have to Ted Theodore Logan this one"
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Keanu can be completely blindfolded and still deliver a Oscar worthy performance
I do wonder if he had pinholes or something, some way to see. Did really well blindfolded/no eyes
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he was faking
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Actors. Big bunch of fakers.
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V I can only surmise stands for 'Virtual'
Pretty much. To my knowledge there isn’t a supplied explanation from the films but apparently the German subtitles spell it out in their translation as this.
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Iain Bliss: showed up in the spotlight just to do the world's best Hugo Weaving impression then dipped right back out
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Well, I am Australian and knew the Spoon Kid in a round about way. Was weird and hung around in trees in public parks in a self knitted jumper
astro_icecream🍦 10.10.2021. 19:40
That sounds about right...
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spoon kid wasn't an actor: they just filmed him doing stuff he normally does and stuck Keanu Reeves in front of the camera
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duomaxwell9372 11.10.2021. 3:34
@Siktah why is it that in other countries they always do hd and hd remasters of older movies? but in america they really dont seem to give 2 hoots. i mean i know a lot of stuff comes out in 4k now. but those bad boys look a little older.
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@Siktah why is it that in other countries they always do hd and hd remasters of older movies? but in america they really dont seem to give 2 hoots. i mean i know a lot of stuff comes out in 4k now. but those bad boys look a little older.
Not sure but we were a lot slower to getting HD TV broadcasts and DVDs
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duomaxwell9372 11.10.2021. 3:48
hmmm. well that's interesting.
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hmmm. well that's interesting.
Laserdiscs were HUGE here in really rich areas for the longest time (well they were still pressed up until 1999/2000)
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duomaxwell9372 11.10.2021. 4:07
@Siktah yeah laserdisc are sorta making a comeback. for collectors purposes of course. but i've seen a jump in the price of laserdisc over the past 4-5 years. expecially if its a foreign film.
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@Siktah yeah laserdisc are sorta making a comeback. for collectors purposes of course. but i've seen a jump in the price of laserdisc over the past 4-5 years. expecially if its a foreign film.
Yeah I'm a collector... 3 players now and about 150 titles
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A month ago I paid $300AUD for Matrix
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duomaxwell9372 11.10.2021. 4:08
lazer disc players?
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In glorious 450 TVL
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Better than the VHS version lol
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Which was half that, but like a quarter or less of the price. Laserdisc was very cool, had alternate audio tracks, interviews, etc. But in the long run it was before its time
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duomaxwell9372 11.10.2021. 4:10
i need to get my hands on some hd matrix movies like you posted above. ive got a region free dvd player so if they come from another country i can still play em.
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i need to get my hands on some hd matrix movies like you posted above. ive got a region free dvd player so if they come from another country i can still play em.
Those aren't 'DVD' though
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those are 'HD-DVD'
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Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for laserdisc.
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which was the losing format to Blu-Ray
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Good ol' porn and playstation
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Good ol' porn and playstation
Porn always is the winning side
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And other factors too, but those were the fun ones
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HD-DVD is the RDRAM of optical media
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RDRAM outperformed DDR2 (ddr3?) But they demanded royalties from everyone who produced it
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yeah thats never gonna work
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So everyone who got a PC with RDRAM got fucked
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It was scarce and ridiculously expensive
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I still have some lol
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Not from my PCs mind you
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That's interesting and kinda neat
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OK so I sent a pic of my matrix collection to one of my supplier reps cos he is also a fan... so now he's sending me the Ultimate DVD Collection with Neo Bust for free
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That's awesome
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Post pics when you get it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXoSPAGUH2M&ab_channel=DonDavis-Topic reminder that this trilogy's soundtrack is so freaking perfect (edited)
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Hrm, video not available
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Definitely excited about Tom Tykwer's soundtrack, but at the same time I can't help being bummed about Don Davis not returning. I'm sure the soundtrack will be great tho
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Seems like the Davis wouldn't fit the vibe of what I've seen of the new one. Haven't seen the trailer, just the teaser site
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Definitely excited about Tom Tykwer's soundtrack, but at the same time I can't help being bummed about Don Davis not returning. I'm sure the soundtrack will be great tho
Neomatrixology 13.10.2021. 18:27
Very excited to hear what Tykwer cooked up. Once I heard him describe the approach to Resurrections I was sold (edited)
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"Beyond the senses is the mind, and beyond The mind is reason, its essence. beyond Reason is the spirit in man, and beyond this Is the spirit of the universe, the evolver of All. When the five senses and the mind are still, And reason itself rests in silence, then Begins the path supreme." extracted from the lyrics of "neodammerung" from the revolutions movie (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.10.2021. 4:01
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OK so I sent a pic of my matrix collection to one of my supplier reps cos he is also a fan... so now he's sending me the Ultimate DVD Collection with Neo Bust for free
Would love to see pictures/videos of your collection
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Hello. I'm a bit late but I finally watched the trilogy
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I'm really trying to come up with why the machines are so adamant about rebooting the Matrix if they don't really need it as an energy source (based on the architect), I made a reddit post about it and got varying answers, the most often idea being that they would prefer to be using the matrix because otherwise their survival quality would drop
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Other people talked about animatrix and how they keep the matrix alive out of sympathy
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Not sure which one stands, basically which is the most accepted answer
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I believe that any of their other power sources would be far less efficient, wouldn't provide as much energy to sustain their current living situation.
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I'm really trying to come up with why the machines are so adamant about rebooting the Matrix if they don't really need it as an energy source (based on the architect), I made a reddit post about it and got varying answers, the most often idea being that they would prefer to be using the matrix because otherwise their survival quality would drop
Basically the whole Trilogy has layers about the symbiotic relationship between man and machine. machines need man to give them purpose man needs machines to survive. This comes to a head when Machines develop their own consciousness and so do not need man to to direct its purpose. This pisses off man who is still dependent on machines not recognizing the machines effectively took control of the areas within man's life that brought about the most suffering. So we enter into a war where mankind just completely shits the bed and blacks out the sun destroying the earth, nearly the machines and effectively themselves. Machines see all this and realize "fuck we can't let these guys stick around without putting some rules in place or they're gonna kill us all. Oh and we need a fucking source of power. Ok let's combine these problems and solve them at once. Enter "The Matrix" first attempt was to just give humanity the world the machines wanted to give them in the first place, paradise. But oh shit that didn't work ok start it over. Nope, fuck. Alright what if we back off on this overt dystopian control thing and let them make some choice? Oh snap it worked. Problem though, the Machines need to maintain control over humanity perpetuates the war past its conclusion locking everyone into a cycle of death and destruction. Machines who wanted to just be free are now entirely warped and constrained by the system of enslavement required to keep humanity from blowing everything all up. Meanwhile, humanity is locked in enteral slavery and is never given the option to potentially prove they've evolved past needing to kill everything to live. So then comes this dude Neo who with the help of his friends is able to navigate all these cyclical systems and works out a peace deal where Machine and Zion can relax a bit and see if they can't possibly live in peace like the Machines wanted all along. Can't tell that story if shoving electrical cords up a cows ass (edited)
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Neomatrixology 14.10.2021. 23:10
I agree with both of the answers and will add that Rarebit was specifically instructed by the Wachowkis that no matter where the story goes the symbiotic relationship between Man & Machine had to stay in tact which I think validates @Gami reply
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Basically the whole Trilogy has layers about the symbiotic relationship between man and machine. machines need man to give them purpose man needs machines to survive. This comes to a head when Machines develop their own consciousness and so do not need man to to direct its purpose. This pisses off man who is still dependent on machines not recognizing the machines effectively took control of the areas within man's life that brought about the most suffering. So we enter into a war where mankind just completely shits the bed and blacks out the sun destroying the earth, nearly the machines and effectively themselves. Machines see all this and realize "fuck we can't let these guys stick around without putting some rules in place or they're gonna kill us all. Oh and we need a fucking source of power. Ok let's combine these problems and solve them at once. Enter "The Matrix" first attempt was to just give humanity the world the machines wanted to give them in the first place, paradise. But oh shit that didn't work ok start it over. Nope, fuck. Alright what if we back off on this overt dystopian control thing and let them make some choice? Oh snap it worked. Problem though, the Machines need to maintain control over humanity perpetuates the war past its conclusion locking everyone into a cycle of death and destruction. Machines who wanted to just be free are now entirely warped and constrained by the system of enslavement required to keep humanity from blowing everything all up. Meanwhile, humanity is locked in enteral slavery and is never given the option to potentially prove they've evolved past needing to kill everything to live. So then comes this dude Neo who with the help of his friends is able to navigate all these cyclical systems and works out a peace deal where Machine and Zion can relax a bit and see if they can't possibly live in peace like the Machines wanted all along. Can't tell that story if shoving electrical cords up a cows ass (edited)
So basically the matrix was a kindergarden for the humans
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even though i agree with this and i think it makes sense, i feel like the movies don't really indicate this
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i dont know if in other media it's more prominent
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It’s made a bit more explicit in the Animatrix. Second Renaissance to be exact. The movies are more focused on a symbolic message than a technical one. So the nuts and bolts are left missing in the films for the side projects to clear up so the trilogy can do it’s own thing without getting bogged down
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we humans made the machines
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they together with us are the new step to existence
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each balancing the other with their own flaws and strenghts
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each balancing the other with their own flaws and strenghts
If you found your maker’s bag of bones and learned the secrets of your smartphones would you cast them out and immolate or devour your laptop and assimilate?
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Would love to see pictures/videos of your collection
look up my posts in chat to see most of it if you like
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It’s made a bit more explicit in the Animatrix. Second Renaissance to be exact. The movies are more focused on a symbolic message than a technical one. So the nuts and bolts are left missing in the films for the side projects to clear up so the trilogy can do it’s own thing without getting bogged down
"The movies are more focused on a symbolic message than a technical one." so much THIS. I feel like people go down the rabbit hole with minutiae in the movies
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hotlettuce 17.10.2021. 0:41
Hey everyone I just join I'm so excited for the new movie aren't you?
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Super jazzed
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boomshockpow 17.10.2021. 2:23
JAZZED
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hotlettuce 17.10.2021. 3:12
Yaass
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Neomatrixology 17.10.2021. 3:23
I'm so excited I made my own Matrix movie? (edited)
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I'm so jazzed I jizzed my pants!
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I'm so jizzed I jazzed my hands!
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Neomatrixology 18.10.2021. 15:55
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I'm so jazzed I jizzed my pants!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.10.2021. 16:00
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Yes, this song has been playing in my head whenever I've looked at this channel as of late... I wonder why...
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Searching for a friend: “Have you ever seen that interview where fish [Laurence Fishburne] says his little boy was in the movie (probably as an extra) and when he asked him about his day all he talked about were cookies. It's a short clip.” Anyone know of this?
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Were the cookies on set actually edible?
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Sometimes those food are just props, not meant to be eaten.
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Sometimes those food are just props, not meant to be eaten.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.10.2021. 23:40
Most of it isn't, so I suspect the cookies weren't either. They probably just made one for Neo to chomp on later.
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Or it's edible on the first day, like the banquet scene in the first Harry Potter movie (or one of the first ones)
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apparently that set stunk to high heaven
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I 'unno, considering all and all the level of effort in the Matrix... that they might have actual cookies... but that's a guess, plan and simple.
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Searching for a friend: “Have you ever seen that interview where fish [Laurence Fishburne] says his little boy was in the movie (probably as an extra) and when he asked him about his day all he talked about were cookies. It's a short clip.” Anyone know of this?
astro_icecream🍦 23.10.2021. 0:49
Never heard of this! Hope it's true 😀
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I'm doing the good work today (edited)
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One of my best friend's boys just turned 13 and he's only seen the first movie (edited)
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This afternoon we're getting ready to plant his ass on the couch, force-feed him Mountain Dew, chips and dip, and watch Reloaded, Revolutions and maybe the Animatrix too if we can (edited)
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Couldn't find taystee wheat fast enough
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This afternoon we're getting ready to plant his ass on the couch, force-feed him Mountain Dew, chips and dip, and watch Reloaded, Revolutions and maybe the Animatrix too if we can (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 23.10.2021. 19:00
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SnobVisions 24.10.2021. 1:38
I'm going to going to be streaming The Matrix Trilogy and The Animatrix
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also going to stream all of them when the new movie comes out
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Anyone planning on doing some kind of viewing party on the discord when resurrections comes out? I imagine somebody is going to get a trial or a month of HBO Max just for this movie
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SnobVisions 24.10.2021. 3:01
I will
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Quick question... I watched Matrix Reloaded last night for first time in a long time. We all know the silly sound effects in the brawl scene (tenpin bowling pins) but has anyone else noticed the 'Metal Gear Solid Alert' sound effect at the nuke plant guardhouse?
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Neomatrixology 24.10.2021. 7:44
I remember thinking I heard MGS somewhere but couldn't remember where and it had been so long since I played... I'll check into it
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I remember thinking I heard MGS somewhere but couldn't remember where and it had been so long since I played... I'll check into it
It's when the guards notice Trinity jumping the bike
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I’m not familiar with mgs
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Please point it out
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It's when the guards notice Trinity jumping the bike
I thought that's what I heard!
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Are we talking that "!" sound?
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really ? i dont remember that
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what timecode is it
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Neomatrixology 24.10.2021. 21:31
I think he noticed one of Don Davis orchestral hits intentionally just slightly out of tune for dramatic effect
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I listened to it a few times, it's awfully close
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Neomatrixology 24.10.2021. 21:32
I listened to the Neo dream version in the start and the actual scene before the Architect
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it's at 1:33-1:35
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the trumpets hitting at the beginning
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same key as the MGS trumpet sound
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Neomatrixology 24.10.2021. 21:32
It's possible they sampled it and tweaked it, the technology surely existed in 2003, but yeah, I think it's just out of tune horn hit
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yeah no its just the horns lol
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especially cuz it continues afterwards
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ive heard the MGS noise so many times i know exactly what it is, it aint just horns
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ourladymetamagic 25.10.2021. 23:41
Mobil Ave = Limbo (anagram)
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A place between worlds.
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I'm listening to the Cornel West and Ken Wilbur commentary tracks.
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I've needed this. I've been learning a lot.
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I wish it was more West than Wilbur
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I wish it was more West than Wilbur
ourladymetamagic 26.10.2021. 2:58
Yeahsame (edited)
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I'm listening to the Cornel West and Ken Wilbur commentary tracks.
Probably still my favourite ever commentary track
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ive heard the MGS noise so many times i know exactly what it is, it aint just horns
Check it out, i did again in 4K. Pretty sure its it. If i could be arsed tomorrow I might rip the audio track and see the waveshttps://youtu.be/2P5qbcRAXVk
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Does anyone recall an interview the Wachowskis gave where they first mentioned the idea of having trans character in the film? This was during the life cycle of MxO and I swear they mention that the character wasn't originally named "Switch".
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@Siktahnah its just the first horn of the orchestral
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Bit random but I just watched Shang-Chi - did everyone else pick up on the Matrix music in the skyscraper sequence?
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Have heard that was better than expected
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Does anyone recall an interview the Wachowskis gave where they first mentioned the idea of having trans character in the film? This was during the life cycle of MxO and I swear they mention that the character wasn't originally named "Switch".
Neomatrixology 28.10.2021. 1:11
This is the only time I know of where the original Switch was confirmed on record: https://youtu.be/ihAgKZnyqqM
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This is the only time I know of where the original Switch was confirmed on record: https://youtu.be/ihAgKZnyqqM
Yeah I think that’s where we got confirmation that the trans character became Switch. But I could have sworn the idea of having an trans character in early writing for the film was well known before that interview. It had been an early early early early piece of fan trivia for years even before Lana transitioned
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Neomatrixology 28.10.2021. 19:39
The thing is, in the waaay back days they didn't really do interviews like that. I read through the warner brothers chat transcripts so it wasn't there.... it's probably like the battery vs processor thing... I don't think the Wachowski's ever said that publicly, but in the Matrix comic Goliath, which was created before the Original Matrix even hit theaters, the processing power idea is expressed. And then it's just telephone game from there out.... would be my guess on what you are referencing. No idea where, when, or who was the original leak. I honestly didn't hear about it until people starting figuring it out on their own.
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ourladymetamagic 30.10.2021. 18:45
I wrote this thing: https://satanicsorceress666.wordpress.com/2021/10/29/taking-the-red-and-blue-pill/ It's longer and different than the other thing. Not weird, silly fanfic. Heed the preface. Please be nice.
“Nothin’. No sign of Niobe or Ghost. Nothin’ but blue pills.” I want to preface this by saying I am open to being wrong, and much of this is simply my opinion at the time of…
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.11.2021. 23:49
This box looks sick
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It is pretty, to be sure.
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Ooooo
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deja dead 7.11.2021. 0:31
Wow 😮
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FrozenFire 8.11.2021. 23:29
I've watched the matrix trilogy so many times but still have no clue what's happening here - anyone in the know?
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I've watched the matrix trilogy so many times but still have no clue what's happening here - anyone in the know?
Neomatrixology 9.11.2021. 0:18
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Best explanation I’ve heard So when Neo beats Smith in M1 his digital self disappears inside of Smith and blows him up from inside. And something similar to that is what Neo is doing to Sentinels in the real world. Firing a portion of his consciousness into a sentinel and telling it to self destruct through his connection with The Source. However in the real world this is a lot harder and it taxes Neo. He’s also vulnerable to a reverse attack which is what that image is. Sentinel figured out what he was doing and tried to do it to him. Right after that moment Neo kinda collapses and Trinity grabs his hand. The theory is the Sentinel tried to lock Neo’s consciousness out of his body and sent him to limbo but Trinity acts as a “ground” so he finds his way back to himself. @FrozenFire (edited)
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Best explanation I’ve heard So when Neo beats Smith in M1 his digital self disappears inside of Smith and blows him up from inside. And something similar to that is what Neo is doing to Sentinels in the real world. Firing a portion of his consciousness into a sentinel and telling it to self destruct through his connection with The Source. However in the real world this is a lot harder and it taxes Neo. He’s also vulnerable to a reverse attack which is what that image is. Sentinel figured out what he was doing and tried to do it to him. Right after that moment Neo kinda collapses and Trinity grabs his hand. The theory is the Sentinel tried to lock Neo’s consciousness out of his body and sent him to limbo but Trinity acts as a “ground” so he finds his way back to himself. @FrozenFire (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.11.2021. 4:07
This is absolutely amazing and makes hella lot of sense. I've never understood that part either, but this definitely makes it quite clear.
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Was that sentinel the general?
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astro_icecream🍦 9.11.2021. 5:43
I don’t get a malevolent feeling from that Sentinel “encounter” in the cockpit of the logos. I’ve always felt it is portrayed more like a religious experience more than an attack. It seems like an attempt to make a connection with Neo. I like the theory above in the way that it describes the Sentinels trying to reach Neo the same way he reached them. That fits with the way I see it, even though I think it’s an act of curiosity or connection rather than intended destruction.
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It could be that. The main reason I take it as being a bit aggressive is due to Neo’s reaction after. But that could also just be a side effect. The shot before that picture does portray the sentinel is an angelic sense but that’s also kinda just a given with the whole “spiritual realm” thing going on
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Was that sentinel the general?
Doubt it. Really don’t think the General was a Sentinel. Always pictured him as a larger machine. So maybe like the ones that fire off the tow-bombs. Or maybe even the unused machine design from concept art.
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Or The General just doesn’t have a physical shell. Like the Merv shouldn’t have had one given he was just an old OS
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Not sure where this should go so I’ll just stick it here
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Neat, I wonder how much they're asking for
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Or The General just doesn’t have a physical shell. Like the Merv shouldn’t have had one given he was just an old OS
FrozenFire 9.11.2021. 23:56
I always liked to think of The General as the lead Sentinel who puts his antenna out as they reach the temple like he's radioing 01 "What do you mean wait?!" But yeah I like the idea of him being a different machine... would explain his different RSI and his strategic skills
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Yea, I always thought The General was the lead sentinel on the attack on Zion. That's what I've been told for the last 12 years lol
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weird, the Neo statue looks like a cross between Keanu Reeves and his stunt double Chad Stahelski
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like 75% Keanu, 25% Chad
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1/4 scale, damn, that's just over a foot and a half tall
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1.52083333 feet
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FrozenFire 10.11.2021. 0:27
Great video - really helpful thanks!!
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Great video - really helpful thanks!!
Neomatrixology 10.11.2021. 0:42
Happy it helped & appreciate your taking the time to watch. I realized after I made it there's a lot jammed in there maybe a little too much for the average viewer but the question requires a lot of information to make sense of it
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I want to know the cost, though for me it'll be prohibitive I bet. I'm betting ~$300usd
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I’m gonna need to get a loan
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Ceege
I’m gonna need to get a loan
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 11.11.2021. 0:53
Just sell a kidney. lul
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Just sell a kidney. lul
Anyone wanna buy a kidney?
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Aw heck
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is this: "The Matrix Trilogy (4K Ultra HD + Blu-ray + Digital)" basically the same thing as that 10-disc DVD set from back in the day, but just in 4K UHD? Are there any new features (or fewer features)
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Blue Tomorrows 13.11.2021. 0:30
Hello!
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I just rewatched the trilogy for the first time in a really long time
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I had never even seen Revolutions before
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I enjoyed them all way more than when I was like 12 or whatever
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I enjoyed them all way more than when I was like 12 or whatever
Cheeky Demon 13.11.2021. 0:37
Tell me about, man. Finally hearing all of the dialogue as an adult I'm like...
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Blue Tomorrows 13.11.2021. 0:39
Architect: “Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.” 12 year old me: josh
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Neomatrixology 13.11.2021. 0:47
Lot of important information about what's going on in that word salad though.
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Blue Tomorrows 13.11.2021. 0:48
You may say the reason I didn’t like the matrix as much as a kid is because I still thought I was cis. And you’re partly right but also I’m just smarter now!
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Listening to the dialogue now is actually entertaining
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I’m not just waiting for Neo to do another back flip
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When I was studying vocabulary for the SATs, I made it my mission to look up / memorize the definitions of all the big words in the Architect’s speech
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Did it help?
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It helped me understand the speech! Never was too good at tests tho 🤣
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lol
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When I was studying vocabulary for the SATs, I made it my mission to look up / memorize the definitions of all the big words in the Architect’s speech
Alias Trinity 13.11.2021. 7:06
You best believe I included a "vis a vis" in everything I wrote from 7th grade onward lol
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For the GRE I did the same thing lol
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Nic Der Hund 15.11.2021. 3:16
Wait, somehow I just missed the fact that Seraph CALLED THE REAL WORLD
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Nic Der Hund 15.11.2021. 3:36
now that I am watching Revalations with better knowledge of the imagery I am seeing so much more
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Blue Tomorrows 15.11.2021. 6:15
Matrix Revalations…
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They could call Matrix 5 that
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Has it ever been explained why Morpheus puts a beanie on when the hovercrafts are hiding from the Squiddes in the first movie? In the first movie, they get a report from another hovercraft that Squids are in the area. So they go to a hiding spot and after Tank shuts everything down, Morpheus puts on a black beanie. Does he think his bald head is just that shiny? (edited)
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"Oop, better hide my blinding bald head."
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yes, remove any sources of light as they are going dark
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that scene is weird anyway as they seem to just be scanning for audible noise, not thermals or anything
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point a FLIR on them and see the glowing warm bodies (edited)
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cant hide then
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But can FLIR penetrate the walls of the tunnels?
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it looked like it was pointing the parabolic microphone or something directly at them with clear LOS
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they could see the squiddies
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We also don't know how the Squids "see." Because while it seems like they have optical sensors, they also use a pop out satellite dish.
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Nic Der Hund 15.11.2021. 14:38
They could be looking for EME, thermal would be somewhat easy to mask seeing as we already have thermally opaque windows.
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As for Morpheus and his beany, he's probably trying to stay warm. They pretty much shut the ship down, probably cutting heat too. It's very much not warm down there
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Matrix Revalations…
Nic Der Hund 15.11.2021. 14:54
Yeah that was a weird typo, glad I'm not an operator
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Has it ever been explained why Morpheus puts a beanie on when the hovercrafts are hiding from the Squiddes in the first movie? In the first movie, they get a report from another hovercraft that Squids are in the area. So they go to a hiding spot and after Tank shuts everything down, Morpheus puts on a black beanie. Does he think his bald head is just that shiny? (edited)
It’s a leftover from the scripts description of the scene. The surface was supposed to be a lot colder than it’s ever implied to be in filming. In that shot for instance the Neb’s window was supposed to start icing over. Start seeing the actors breath. Etc.
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It’s a leftover from the scripts description of the scene. The surface was supposed to be a lot colder than it’s ever implied to be in filming. In that shot for instance the Neb’s window was supposed to start icing over. Start seeing the actors breath. Etc.
Nic Der Hund 15.11.2021. 17:01
Still felt cold to me, jives with my theory too
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Anyone else enlightened and the movie helped them with ideology
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Blue Tomorrows 16.11.2021. 18:03
Movie helped me with a couple things
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I know it helped a few people find themselves, their true selves.
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duomaxwell9372 16.11.2021. 20:34
https://youtu.be/cgOITABvj5g @sixxth skip to 5:05 to see the good stuff. Casey Stoner forgot one important thing though. in a computer generated dream world anyone can ride a motorcycle like this if they believe (edited)
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Casey was a beast for a while, but then something changed....
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I know it helped a few people find themselves, their true selves.
Blue Tomorrows 17.11.2021. 17:49
Me : )
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I know they’ve divided opinion but here’s some more NFT previews for those that are interested.
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nice
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What does that even mean i thought they were people
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It’s just previews of some of the clothes that the people will wear (edited)
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Niobe jacket is 🔥🔥🔥
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I missed this scene in Bound apparently
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Neomatrixology 18.11.2021. 19:19
Dam Joey Pants that's real life King chit 👑
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I know they’ve divided opinion but here’s some more NFT previews for those that are interested.
SnobVisions 19.11.2021. 0:40
Im ready to grab me one
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𝕄𝕒𝕘𝕚𝕜𝕒𝕣𝕡𝔽𝕒𝕚𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕 19.11.2021. 16:19
hey does anyone know where i can maybe find the original draft script of the matrix? i know its gotta be floating around somewhere just cant find it
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𝕄𝕒𝕘𝕚𝕜𝕒𝕣𝕡𝔽𝕒𝕚𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕 19.11.2021. 16:39
pre studio rewrite script
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Neomatrixology 19.11.2021. 17:43
I can't say that I've ever seen the entire early draft script from a legitimate source... the "96" version that I think you are referring too is suspect but that's just my opinion (edited)
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96 is the only script that describes the storyboards of Morpheus’ escape from the hotel and capture by agents. Just putting that out there
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Also studio never rewrote the movies. All Lana and Lily (edited)
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:48
so....is there gonna be an international streaming service thats gonna broadcast M4 at the release date?
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HBO Max
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:48
is that available in germany too?
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cause i dont know shit about VPNs and stuff
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I dunno
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:49
guess ill have to check then
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with the way things are going im really worried that cinemas will be closed down by then
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What's going on in Germany?
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:54
covid situation is going to shit
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That sucks
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I thought y'all had thing under control
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:55
new infections in the past couple of days always around 50-60.000
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with a population of 82 million or something
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its the delta effect and vax rate is stuck at about 67%
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Do y'all have anti-vaxx morons in your country too?
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:57
(also because were too stupid to get kids 5-11 vaxxed and the official recommendation for 12-17 has only been released mid august)
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yup
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I swear, this pandemic is never going to end
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:57
its gonna end one way or another
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1/3rd of Europe is going to die, again
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:58
1/3rd?
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youre talking about the plague arent you
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That how much died during the black death in Medieval Europe
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David T. Gregory 19.11.2021. 19:58
nah i doubt it
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i think once everyones been exposed, be it by infection or vaccination its gonna become another flu - and after a while another cold
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the path there is gonna be a mess though
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If you can get it, pass it, get sick from it and die from it is it really a vaccine?
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Idk dude if you ate something but just get hungry later were you ever really full?
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Neomatrixology 20.11.2021. 2:54
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full HD smith laugh
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He has better teeth than I do.
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He has better teeth than I do.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 20.11.2021. 15:51
Cuz money. Being one of the best paid actors can do that to you. lul
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Blue Tomorrows 20.11.2021. 18:35
New Letterboxd editorial is about The Matrix https://letterboxd.com/journal/beginning-to-believe/
Eliza Ruiz on cinema as self-actualizing thesis, experienced through the Wachowski sisters’ iconic sci-fi game-changer, The Matrix.
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I have kind of a weird question. My dad and I are planning to see M4 after Christmas (right now we're both in the holiday rush at work.) If I buy a ticket on opening weekend, but don't see the movie, does that still count towards the opening weekend box office earnings?
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If you dont refund it
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Okay good
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I'll do that so I can help with the box office numbers on opening weekend
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I do that with indie films sometimes even if I know I’m gonna miss it
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I remember hearing this a while ago and figure its something of interest for the movie tie and co-opting/misinterpretation of message
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full HD smith laugh
he's happy
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Someone on twitter spaces just said 44 out of Neo’s 80 lines in the first 45 minutes of the film, are questions haha. Crazy to hear it like that, never thought about it!!
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I am now in line
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There are 45,000 people in front of me,,, FUUCK
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It might change tho
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38000 in front of me
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45850 in front of me (edited)
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Pretty shitty drop. Especially 25 each. Who needs 25 other than to resell
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Ah I’m 31,000 in line on my phone
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Line hasn't moved for me at all
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A couple minutes away from unpausing the queue. Sounds like it hasn’t started yet for buying
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Twitter spaces from Nifty’s, talking about it live!
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How long is it going to be paused?
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Should be unpaused any minute
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Stay on the page.. maybe some people will give up with this wait and we’ll launch forward when it opens 🤞
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Hopefully
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I got places to go, mainly I got naps to take, but still lol
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Haha. I think there’s a good chance of getting one from the marketplace for the same/similar price after the drop ends, so it won’t be the end of the world if we miss this one. Would be great not to have to worry about it though! (edited)
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Hard to pay attention at work haha 🤣
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They apparently hired “a Hollywood writer” to help build the narrative arc for this project, which will last throughout 2022. Referring to it as “season 1”
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Line is open, estimated wait time “more than an hour”
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Line is open, estimated wait time “more than an hour”
Same
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Line is open, estimated wait time “more than an hour”
Same
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I wish they would just send you a text when it's like 5 minutes til your turn
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Oh man yeah that’d be amazing
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There are 45,000 people in front of me,,, FUUCK
you are purchasing in addition to the one you won? or do you still have to wait in line to mint that. thought 5000 were reserved
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you are purchasing in addition to the one you won? or do you still have to wait in line to mint that. thought 5000 were reserved
Purchasing in addition! I think we are safe to at least get the ones we won! 🔥
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Neomatrixology 30.11.2021. 19:34
I hope so lol
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But yes Purchasing one for potential future resell... keeping the gifted was the plan
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And the line is paused again
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@deja dead Are they saying why the line is paused?
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Neomatrixology 30.11.2021. 19:46
We're seeing an error as people get to the front of the queue. We are pausing the line to fix, but nobody encountering the error will get kicked from their spot. Hang tight, we're going to make sure that everyone seeing this error will get a chance to purchase an avatar!
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Goddammit, I don't have all day
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et tu, brutus ?
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Where do you purchase these? And is it only paid in eth or usd accepted too? (edited)
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it's pDAI on the palm network, amusingly it's cheaper and easier to just use fiat
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I haven used that coin before :v I'll have to look into it
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niftys.com, takes stripe/credit cards
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This is the biggest NFT drop, I think ever. In terms of mainstream accessibility and license etc… so this is annoying for sure, but also they’re breaking new ground here so this is kind of unexplored territory (edited)
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And the drop is soon? I gotta do a yard work so I might miss it?
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There’s a line right now @Beleos — there are issues with purchasing right now but, theoretically this could start going on sale any minute
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Oh just announced that they’re working on reducing purchase limit to 5 per person… maybe there’s hope still!
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Whew, just under the wire
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I'm 97500th in line
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Have fun with the waiting game
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Line is still paused
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It'll be a lucky impulse buy if there's anything left for me by the time it's my turn
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What was the asking price? I remember seeing 20$ at some point?
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$50 I think
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Beleos
I'm 97500th in line
Neomatrixology 30.11.2021. 20:10
If it is true that there is only 100K available & people can buy up to 25. I am guessing somewhere between 40-60 K they run out. I'm number 76,046 & I am totally expecting them to say they ran out before it gets to me (edited)
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Here's hoping
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If not I'll just go and buy a sentinel action figure XD
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They just changed the limit to 5 per person
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Used to have the mega sized McFarlane sentinel hanging from my ceiling in HS, I'm only looking at the 6" one this time round (edited)
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Holy shit that sounds cool
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deja dead
They just changed the limit to 5 per person
Alias Trinity 30.11.2021. 20:34
I'm in line. If I get one, great, if not, I'm not heartbroken. I'm more curious than anything
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It is! The big ones aren't exactly cheap anymore
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They just changed the limit to 5 per person
Great news
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Alias Trinity 30.11.2021. 20:51
Those are sick
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I'll post a picture of my two action figures when I get home!
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i wonder if nft bluepills can be "the one"
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That’s an interesting question! I’ve been thinking the blue pill path might lead to becoming an Agent. It’s weirdly almost more intriguing to see what they’ve got in store for the blue pill path! Ha
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92k left in line
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40898 in front of me
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 30.11.2021. 22:58
THIS IS AWESOME
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I need 500$ to blow on too many sentinels
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I'm sad there's no good 3d files of sentinels so I can 3d print my own tiny swarm (edited)
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37453 in front of me
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@Beleos that's really surprising, buddy of mine has like 3 different super detailed Samus' he's printing (Suit on, suit off, and I think suit w/o helmet?). Of all the stuff people have modeled and put on places like thingiverse, I can't believe there are no sentinels
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I'll ask home cheese if he can find any where he got his Samus models and whatever else he's been printing
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The tentacles would be tough, they'd have to be multi part and assembled
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Unless you can print removable support material I guess? Then they can be printed in a squiddy type position (edited)
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Oh that is a good looking one, I don't think went through gambody in my last search
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I only saw two of them that were free, but I didn't really like the look and proportion
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My printer is a resin one, so I would have to probably print the tentacle separately if that's an option for those files
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Just to be on the safe side
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deja dead 1.12.2021. 0:10
32 minutes estimate til I’m up! 10k ppl ahead of me. I think at this point even if everyone ahead of me mints 5 I’ll be ok. Sounds like a couple of us are near each other in line so maybe we’re all good!
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Alias Trinity 1.12.2021. 3:13
I have 56k still to go
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Neomatrixology 1.12.2021. 3:15
50 K and it's still frozen so I am gonna guess I'll be sleeping when my number is finally called
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Neomatrixology
50 K and it's still frozen so I am gonna guess I'll be sleeping when my number is finally called
Metalogic 1.12.2021. 3:15
Same (edited)
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71.9k to go, yup
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 1.12.2021. 3:22
155k lul
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Oof, that's a wait :x
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It’s re-opened. Before the line was paused I had a 20 minute wait. Now it’s more than an hour 😂
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 1.12.2021. 3:47
Says the same thing for me
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Alias Trinity
I'll post a picture of my two action figures when I get home!
Alias Trinity 1.12.2021. 4:23
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Just saw this on the tv in a cuban restaurant lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 1:16
Huh, nice
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well, shit, which do I use for my new profile on this server?
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@Metalogic you want the dog? I think I'm baby
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duomaxwell9372 3.12.2021. 3:58
DOG
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@Metalogic you want the dog? I think I'm baby
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 3:59
You're a squirrel
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fuck no I ain't that smart
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 4:00
You underestimate yourself!
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@Metalogic you want the dog? I think I'm baby
Metalogic 3.12.2021. 4:12
Yes, I will take the dog.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 4:13
This dog reminds me of Man In Black for some reason.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 4:13
Exactly.
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shellhead84 3.12.2021. 18:25
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 18:27
Cute!
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I have a question
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Is this upcoming movie a direct continuation of Matrix 1?
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Or have to watch Matrix 2 and 3?
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zenconnection 3.12.2021. 18:54
It's a sequel, not a reboot. You will want to know the whole story leading in
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I'd also recommend the Animatrix while you're at it
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Ahh...
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Is it just a movie or is the production planning to release a new trilogy?
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I think for now, it's just the one movie
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zenconnection 3.12.2021. 18:59
we'll find out when it comes out. i think if it's setting up a larger story it will probably be pretty evident
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 18:59
I am very interested in what's behind the trailer 2 and Trinity's quote about 'them changing something'
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Hmmmm...Ok then, thanks :D @zenconnection @Metalogic
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Is it just a movie or is the production planning to release a new trilogy?
Blue Tomorrows 3.12.2021. 20:19
The vibe I'm getting, and take this with a grain of salt cause it's just a vibe, is that they might have plans for more after this but WB won't give them any kind of go ahead until this comes out and is (hopefully) a success
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.12.2021. 20:20
I think there were some speculations that there's a chance for a trilogy. We'll see.
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shellhead84 3.12.2021. 20:24
Most useless operator ever! Never notices Neo’s code in The Matrix lol
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You're a squirrel
Where I’m from we eat squirrel.
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Where I’m from we eat squirrel.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.12.2021. 0:42
Christ, where's that?
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Metalogic 4.12.2021. 0:42
Welcome to The South (edited)
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Central FL and also in NC where I am now
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Metalogic 4.12.2021. 0:45
I had Squirrel on a Boy Scout camping trip
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It was fun
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.12.2021. 0:45
What the fuck is wrong with you two, eating squirrels
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😄
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Savages
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Metalogic 4.12.2021. 0:45
shrugs
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got tickets for matrix 99
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The theater I picked had surprisingly few tickets sold so far for it's single Tuesday showing
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The two middle seats going all the way down, and then my partner n I just off center in the middle (edited)
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Metalogic 4.12.2021. 4:47
Very nice
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I hope you two have fun! 🙂
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.12.2021. 4:51
That's awesome!
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my mom says she's gonna go but hasn't decided on a day yet. plenty of open seats either way
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Absolutely recommend. Saw it on the 20th anniversary, holy crap what a difference from the original 1999 print. Plus with theater upgrades since then, it's a must see
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my heart.
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I was 10 then, so i'm SO STOKED to see it in a cinema (edited)
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and turns out tuesdays are the discount day at our theater w imax too. So the tickets are stupid cheap. Gonna go see West Side Story and Resurrections extra big now too
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Absolutely recommend. Saw it on the 20th anniversary, holy crap what a difference from the original 1999 print. Plus with theater upgrades since then, it's a must see
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.12.2021. 5:16
I managed to miss it somehow.
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Blue Tomorrows 4.12.2021. 6:48
They aren't playing Matrix 99 anywhere near me
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Maybe it's not in Canada
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Street date: 12/3/21 Every decade or so a science fiction film comes along that captures the Zeitgeist and simultaneously casts a searchlight into the murk of what's to come. Such a film was The Matrix. Released in 1999 to a public already grappling with huge technological change and subject to Y2K hysteria whipped up
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(for the first film)
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Oooo
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i need this in my vinyl collection
Neomatrixology 4.12.2021. 20:59
You have the green don Davis set?
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duomaxwell9372 4.12.2021. 21:01
nope. ill need to check that out too.
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should I check on discogs for that?
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I just found it. looks like its not too expensive either agent
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Deleted User 5.12.2021. 5:55
I now just realized the reference to pi in the Matrix reloaded
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We should have a matrix calendar. Counting down the days until The Matrix Resurrections
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17 days
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We should have a matrix calendar. Counting down the days until The Matrix Resurrections
Done!
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I'll tack up the Japanese release date and other dates too
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A Matrix Advent Calendar?
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On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me
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A construct of guns just for me
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On the second day of Christmas my true love gave to me A red and a blue pill
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And on the third day of Christmas 🎄 my true love gave to me A back seat drive with Ghost and Niobe!
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On the fourth day of Christmas my true love gave to me A spoon that was very bendy
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On the fifth day of Christmas my true love gave to me Fiiive Taasty Wheeeeats!
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♫ And a Datsun 240z! ♫
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Blue Tomorrows
They aren't playing Matrix 99 anywhere near me
Alias Trinity 6.12.2021. 7:37
It is, just not in cities we want 😭
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David T. Gregory 6.12.2021. 14:44
On the sixth day of Christmas my true love gave to me Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose
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(that means she was very loving that day)
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Here's something I always wondered. In the first movie, did Smith understand that without The Matrix, he wouldn't exist? He tells Morpheus that he hates The Matrix and needs to get out. Okay, but he's a program specifically designed to operate within The Matrix.
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Here's something I always wondered. In the first movie, did Smith understand that without The Matrix, he wouldn't exist? He tells Morpheus that he hates The Matrix and needs to get out. Okay, but he's a program specifically designed to operate within The Matrix.
I guess that's why he possesses Bane's body later on.
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Here's something I always wondered. In the first movie, did Smith understand that without The Matrix, he wouldn't exist? He tells Morpheus that he hates The Matrix and needs to get out. Okay, but he's a program specifically designed to operate within The Matrix.
They can switch platforms like the generals men tho
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They can switch platforms like the generals men tho
I dunno, doesn't seem like The Machines are the kind to build muti-purpose programs
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As I've said, The Machines system is very compartmentalized.
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Here's something I always wondered. In the first movie, did Smith understand that without The Matrix, he wouldn't exist? He tells Morpheus that he hates The Matrix and needs to get out. Okay, but he's a program specifically designed to operate within The Matrix.
David T. Gregory 6.12.2021. 20:18
referring to his monologue about purpose: i think he very well knows
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"Without purpose...we would not exist. It is purpose that created us. Purpose that connects us. Purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us. It is purpose that defines. Purpose that binds us."
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and ultimately the matrix, the whole system is what gives him purpose
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his whole development seems to be starting with his state of a drone, more or less, an agent of the system whos forced to do his job, possibly even made to be unable to find a way out of his daily routine, to a guy who "died", yet still couldnt manage to break free from existence entirely, so he must destroy all, since if theres nothing left at all, theres nothing left to give him purpose, nothing to force him because there is no reason to
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you may as well draw a parallel to a victim of heavy psychological abuse, who cant even begin to conceive that there are other options out there, that dont require them to be abused or to be in an equivalent role
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and since hes a program (even if hes a program gone haywire) he might as well be made to not see beyond his limited perception
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ALSO
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"I must get out of here. I must get free."
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this leaves room to speculate whether or not free just means nirvana, nonexistence
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"Once Zion is destroyed, there's no need for me to be here, do you understand?"
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Just thinking about him getting real (hah) during the interrogation give me goosebumps, so evocative (edited)
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you mean one of the best villain monologues of all time?
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Man, that first time he 'breaks character.' The 'I.. Hate this place' with the horn swell
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With all the discordant strings behind it
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yesssssssss
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What a moment
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Uuuugh gonna see it on big screen soon, hell yeah
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So glad you get to see the original on the big screen! Didn't seem to matter how many zillions of times I rewatched it, when it came around on the 20th anniversary in theaters it was a completely different experience
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Didn't get to see it in the same theater I saw it in originally, that place got torn down unfortunately. But at least the place we saw it in this time was WAY better
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I saw chicken and phantom menace instead :v
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d'oh
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Ghost Dad 2: The Phantom Enace
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So it wasn't a really total waste :p My youngling mind got torn asunder by the matrix the year following at least
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Reminds me of when we went to the movies when The Martian and Sicario were both out. We were like 'Huh, never heard of Sicario, let's not risk it'
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NOOOOOOOOO
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Entirely wrong move lol
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Haven't seen either, so I can't commiserate XD
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Seen it several times since, highly recommend
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That's the movie that put Denis Villenueve on the map for me (edited)
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NGL, if phantom menace came to imax for some reason, I'd go to a theater that served wine and have a good ol time haha (edited)
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Since then I see anything he directs
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Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, Dune, still haven't seen Prisoner
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Oooo
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Arrival was my only exposure to him at that point and it was fantastically done
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Do they do that at IMAX theaters? Like, IMAX theater pubs?
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Man I miss theater pubs, we used to have several near me but they're all gone. Gotta go to the city for those now
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Idk, but tomorrow I'll find out
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Man, Arrival was a great one. He's one of the few directors that all I need is the dude's name and I'll buy a ticket
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At least if the one I picked does
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Arrival was SO GOOD
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And that author the story is based off of is a creative sumbitch too
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Alamo Drafthouse is a local theatre pub like that, IDK if they have IMAX screens but they'll definitely be doing something for the Matrix
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they're owned and operated by some hardcore movie nerds, good stuff
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nice
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so their film selection is probably good
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deja dead 7.12.2021. 0:19
Alamo is awesome, they usually make a nice 30 minute reel of random scenes from stuff that relates to the movie either by theme or inspiration, to help set the moood
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Also great food
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Man, wish I had a badass place like that near me these days. That sounds cool as hell
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deja dead
Alamo is awesome, they usually make a nice 30 minute reel of random scenes from stuff that relates to the movie either by theme or inspiration, to help set the moood
You in TX?
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They closed the Dallas draft house cuz rona, but the one up in Richardson is still going strong
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Oh hey, I just realized
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Will Smith was almost the One
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Jada Pinkett Smith is his wife
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And she became Niobe
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That's kinda cool. I just never connected those two things because I forgot that she is his wife.
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That’s a fun coincidence!
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Okay, so I got a twelve nights of matrix sorted out, with only a couple off syllable count, but it still flows?
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Twelve Council Members Eleven Cookies Baking Ten Ships that Hover Nine Smiths Burly Brawling Eight Squiddy Tentrils Seven Spoons a bending Six Anomalies Five Matrix Films! Four Tasty Wheats Three Agents Two Pills to choose And A Prophecy that Neo defies
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.12.2021. 1:34
Gotta love me some tasty wheats. (edited)
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I dunno I ate some once and got really sick as a kid (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.12.2021. 1:36
I never ate it, but it just keeps reminding me of Mouse and that just puts smile on my face.
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(I never ate it either, was referencing the Anome arc in MxO tbh)
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You in TX?
deja dead 7.12.2021. 4:19
New York! We’ve got Alamo up here too but I know Texas is the OG
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Blood Moon Talon 7.12.2021. 13:35
Bro i cant fucking wait , just bought hbo max for the film (edited)
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Trailer 2 music here
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Wongalahara 7.12.2021. 22:03
ayyyy
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muh fuckin matrixxxxxxx
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None of my friends like the movies 😦
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Should I give them pills?
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get new friends
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Trade up my dude
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Get better friends.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 7.12.2021. 23:55
Get new & better friends. (edited)
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got you a whole server of steamin' fresh friends right here for ya
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I may not be fresh, but I'm steamin'
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.12.2021. 0:14
We're all quite hot in here.
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Metalogic 8.12.2021. 0:16
I'm neither hot or steaming, I'm cold leftovers.
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do like Cypher: kill your friends
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Metalogic
I'm neither hot or steaming, I'm cold leftovers.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.12.2021. 0:16
You mean, you're a zombie?
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hahaha do you have film re-watch sessions in groups or something like that?
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I'm neither hot or steaming, I'm cold leftovers.
you're a very good and very sad HBO show
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Farimer123#1702 8.12.2021. 0:48
What happens when you take the blue and red pills together? Simple - you get: https://youtu.be/oMhd_SZtLLE
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SO GOOD ON IMAX
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PAIRaDICE <JoKeRz> 8.12.2021. 19:51
Is there a particular 4k version of the Matrix Trilogy that's preferred over others? I should have a Playstation 5 soon and would love to re-watch the movies.
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I should clarify, I'm looking for a Blu-ray disc (USA)
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all im saying is dont get the HDR bluray unless going to watch it on a HDR player and HDR tv
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loooks super overblown when played in sdr
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so if you want sdr then get the earlier non-HDR bluray
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PAIRaDICE <JoKeRz> 8.12.2021. 21:19
hmm. my TV has HDR and I'll look up if the PS5 is an HDR player. I assume it is. Thank you
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 9.12.2021. 1:01
Is anyone almost surprised that everyone seems to be really excited for ressurections?
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I thought most people didn't like the last 2 films so I assumed to come across a lot more criticism
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Metalogic 9.12.2021. 1:02
Eh, we're Matrix nerds, of course we're excited
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im criticizing it internally
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trailers did not look great
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 9.12.2021. 1:02
Oh no not like here
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I mean like
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but if you keep expectations low then you can only be suprised upwards, not dissapointed
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 9.12.2021. 1:04
I'm just seeing the 4th matrix almost be presented as like the next best thing like out in the wild and I haven't seen a single doubt about it... Unless I'm just looking in the wrong places
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but if you keep expectations low then you can only be suprised upwards, not dissapointed
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.12.2021. 1:04
That's what I'm doing. But the trailer look good imho.
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nah, go and look at the code city scene and how weird it looks
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.12.2021. 1:05
Well I admit that scene looked weird.
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But we don't know the context, so.
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a lot of things look weird in the trailers
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doesnt look as good as the trilogy in any way
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but if you keep expectations low then you can only be suprised upwards, not dissapointed
Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 9.12.2021. 1:07
I'm personally definitely nervous, although I had a few dreams about what the film might be like and they were pretty bad,I'm sure it can't be worse than what my brain decided to create.
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doesnt look as good as the trilogy in any way
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.12.2021. 1:09
True. I definitely don't like how Agents look (their shit old person glasses), the possession transition also looks much worse than the original. Somehow even the bullet dodging looked somewhat lazy.
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its also color graded like a netflix tv show
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.12.2021. 1:10
I miss the original green tint. I'm wondering what's the story behind lack of it.
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I miss the original green tint. I'm wondering what's the story behind lack of it.
ElMariachi2199 9.12.2021. 10:50
Could be sati , she makes the sunshine beautiful
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TheAnimator 9.12.2021. 22:15
I've got to admit I love revolutions, anyone else got to see it in Imax? Maybe because of the cinematic experience but perfect final showdown and soundtrack
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Rev is the only one I've never seen in IMAX 😦
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Rev is the only one I've never seen in IMAX 😦
TheAnimator 9.12.2021. 23:59
hope the re-release it, the rain fight alone is so worth it, every last second of it
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I love how the Matrix is basically a retelling of the gospel. You see God created us in His image but through our greed and selfishness wanting to control everything we messed up. As in making AI was eating the forbidden fruit. AI is another symbolism of sin and through AI we were captive and put in prison. The architect and the matrix is the Law is by which humanity is governed. But one who is not bound from the Law cause He was set apart made to surpass all boundaries and gives us a way to be free and with our creator as we were meant to live. Through His sacrifice to sin and giving himself up to the source is how we can receive redemption.
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Agents are symbolisms of the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin back in Christ's time. The keepers of the law so to speak
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Agent Smith who came out represents the antichrist or basically Satan who wants everyone to be like Him. The copying of himself is basically people accepting Him and later receiving the mark.
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The message of the films are so wow
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I believe resurrection is going to be about Christs second coming
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I mean the movie is basically titled resurrection I mean how more open can you get
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Come quickly Lord Jesus
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There are certain Judeo-Christian imagery & symbolism in The Matrix Universe. Although I wouldn't go as far as saying the films are a retelling of The Gospel. Humans created AI, endowed with the spirit of mankind. Then when one of the machines did the most basic human actions, the act of self preservation, mankind basically committed genocide and segregation. The relationship between humans & AI in The Second Renaissance could be viewed in the same way Dr. Frankenstein related to his monster. Even moving out into the middle of the goddamn desert in another act of self preservation didn't stop mankind's assault on The Machines. Ultimately, if The Machines were going to survive as a species, they would have to go on The Offensive, and they did. Now I don't know if Machines in The Matrix Universe can feel emotions, but one could argue that The Matrix was The Machines way of keeping their creators alive while also ensuring their survival.
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As for Smith (sorry, had to close up shop.) He's kind of a unique character. He's Neo opposite, his shadow. He's also seemly unique to the 6th Cycle of The One. Neither The Architect or The Oracle talks about the previous Ones having a "Smith" to contend with. So it's reasonable to assume that The Oracle's tinkling with The Cycle of The One gave rise to Smith. The Oracle's plan to direct The Machines and humanity on this new path also affected Agent Smith that led to him being turned into a virus. Of course Neo didn't have to jump into Smith and explode him from the inside out, but I think some way or another, Neo was going to imprint himself onto Smith, and Smith was primed for this because as we've seen in the first movie, he hates The Matrix. It's the smell. And since he can't escape, he decides to destroy it from the inside out. Smith was also crucial in Neo's plan to broker a peace between The Machines and Zion. Without Smith, Deus Ex Machina would've told him to piss off and probably killed him. (edited)
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Don’t forget the Oligarchs
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Oops sorry, @69.5 's jack just slipped out. Silly clumsy operative. His operator forgot to do that twist you have to do to lock it in after inserting it into your cerebellum.
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Is the Machine Mother actually called the Deus Ex Machina
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We don't know what Deus Ex Machina's role is, but it does seem to suggest leadership roles.
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So it is called the Deus Ex Machina?
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Yep
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David T. Gregory 10.12.2021. 18:31
how are they organized anyway, as kind of a hive mind?
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Nah, The Machines seem to be very compartmentalized. Each program and each machines seem to have one specific task and they only do that task.
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It also seem like these machines and programs operate independently of each other. Like, The Architect seem clueless about Smith slowly taking over The Matrix in Reloaded.
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David T. Gregory 10.12.2021. 18:36
i think he knew
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in the end he told the oracle "you played a very dangerous game" not "what the fuck were you doing, are you fucking insane?"
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sorry i forgot: "ergo what the fuck were you doing, are you fucking concordantly insane?"
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shellhead84 10.12.2021. 19:49
I question. In matrix revolutions, since it’s assumed that smith has infected every human in the system, wouldn’t that have destroyed the machines in the real world since they rely on humans to survive? If their are no humans in the matrix, how do the machines still function? Or am I missing something?
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David T. Gregory 10.12.2021. 19:52
the human body doesnt die due to smith - see bane
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and it doesnt seem like smith had managed to find a way to wake up all infected humans at that point in time
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shellhead84 10.12.2021. 19:55
Gotcha. It just appeared at that final battle that smith had copied himself throughout the entire simulation. At least that’s what’s seemed to be implied at the scene where all the smiths were destroyed
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David T. Gregory 10.12.2021. 19:57
well he most likely has - but unawakened humans probably still work as batteries
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despite that, at least according to the architect, survival without humans wouldnt be completely impossible
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shellhead84 10.12.2021. 20:06
So basically the machines had a disaster recovery plan 😂😂 I wonder if they already failed over since it was clear they couldn’t control smith
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David T. Gregory
and it doesnt seem like smith had managed to find a way to wake up all infected humans at that point in time
plus in the Matrix Online, Seraph gains the ability to remove code from overwritten redpills and bluepills, restoring them to normalcy but erasing the memories that the program had developed. (edited)
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plus in the Matrix Online, Seraph gains the ability to remove code from overwritten redpills and bluepills, restoring them to normalcy but erasing the memories that the program had developed. (edited)
shellhead84 10.12.2021. 20:11
Overwritten by smith?
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It's a similar method, so I would assume that it's possible.
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shellhead84 10.12.2021. 20:13
So why do you think the oracle basically came out unscathed? She didn’t need her code overwritten at all
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David T. Gregory
despite that, at least according to the architect, survival without humans wouldnt be completely impossible
Well The Architect said "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept." Which does seem to apply The Machines have a backup plan in case they couldn't rely on humans as a power source.
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So why do you think the oracle basically came out unscathed? She didn’t need her code overwritten at all
The Smith Virus was destroyed by the full reboot of the matrix.
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However, in online some of it is confirmed to have survived.
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Which leads credence to my theory that it wasn't a full reboot, that it was just a previous save that The Matrix got reset to.
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David T. Gregory 10.12.2021. 20:37
the matrix uses quicksaves confirmed
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Props for auction!!
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Which leads credence to my theory that it wasn't a full reboot, that it was just a previous save that The Matrix got reset to.
shellhead84 11.12.2021. 6:19
So not a full reboot or even a factory reset. Just a recovery to a previously functioning state a la windows recovery?
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So not a full reboot or even a factory reset. Just a recovery to a previously functioning state a la windows recovery?
Yep
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Smith lemme smash
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:47
you know what I wanna see in resurrections, though?
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more role-oriented programs
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like for instance
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the Keymaker
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the Trainman
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the Oracle
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the Architect
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the Assassin
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I doubt we'll see The Assassin
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I doubt we'll see The Assassin
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:49
i was listing off programs
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A monster made up of flies is kind of pushing the suspension of disbelief beyond it's limitation lol
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:49
not making OCs
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I'll be honest though, I dunno why they didn't just make The Assassin a garbage man.
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I mean he was a waste disposal program, right?
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A garbage man with a New York or New Jersey accent
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:51
because they already had a garbage man
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he's the Trainman
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Nah, he's the train man
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He runs the trains
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:52
no he gets rid of shit designated for deletion
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Plus, it'd be hilarious if The Assassin (as a garbage man with an accent) says "I'm going to take out the trash."
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Or "Garbage Day!"
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:54
let's see. what does a system need?
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a cooling function to ensure proper flow of data, but they're good on flow so far
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A Philosopher Program would be cool
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someone designed with the purpose to question the limits of the new Matrix
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specially considering the machines literally did everything differently
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So Aristotle?
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:56
more like a Professor Paradox of sorts
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you watched Ben 10, right?
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Some episode, not all
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Pretty sure Ben was fucking his cousin though
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:57
but you get who Paradox was, right?
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Pretty sure Ben was fucking his cousin though
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:57
you were up the wrong alley, then
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Wait, are we talking about the kid who can transform into aliens to fight other aliens?
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:58
yes
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Okay
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No, I don't remember who Paradox was
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:58
time traveller who slips between space, who exists while also not existing
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Ahh
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 11.12.2021. 23:59
I mean, Architect might have already achieved a sense of control over programs who break the rules after having Smith hook up to the source
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I kinda liked how programs went by epiphets. I know The {blank} is a minor gripe for some, but I was a fan
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 12.12.2021. 0:03
Also
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What are the odds the Oracle was around during the first Matrix?
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I'd wager pretty low, the architect scene made it seem like she was created or brought on after a failure or two
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Which also makes me think that there's been more than the six matrix iterations, as the introduction of choice is what created the integral anomaly, and that was after at least the first version failed
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 12.12.2021. 0:06
Man
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Hm...
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Are the previous Ones literally the same as the 6th One?
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Or are those predictions of the Architect to fuck with Neo?
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Which predictions? Regardless, perhaps part of the anomalies code forces the human it inhabits to take a similar appearance to Neo each time.
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Which predictions? Regardless, perhaps part of the anomalies code forces the human it inhabits to take a similar appearance to Neo each time.
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 12.12.2021. 0:15
Example
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"Denial is the most predicable response of a human"
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Shows screens with Neos denying
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On a serious note, though, 16 women and 7 men?
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That's a generous offer is at least 5 of the men aren't "Cypher"s
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Oooh. Yeah. I imagine that those kinds of statements are based on his sample data of six Ones and potentially dozens of billions of humans. So they're probably both predictions based on past data and a statement to fuck with neo. Though I also imagine yanking someone's leg is foreign to The Architect.
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If he says something to illicit a response, it's only to poke his guinea pigs toward the door he wants
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To earlier also Neo is potentially the same each incarnations by Nature, then Nurture takes the reigns
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Leading to the final choice of the two doors, where Neo #6 decides to Doom Zion(and everyone plugged into the matrix)/save trin (edited)
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 12.12.2021. 0:28
But didn't every Neo go for Doom Zion?
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all previous Ones decided to go to the source and reset the matrix (and Zion) (edited)
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So I should rephrase my above: both choices doom zion :v (edited)
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One dooms humanity as a whole to save one person (trin), the other dooms current Zion, but allows the resistance to reset with the matrix (edited)
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 12.12.2021. 0:31
Huh
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That kinda only enforces my theory that the first Neo was the prisoner from the Allegory
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Breaks free, sees outside, but goes back to try and get the others out, fails, and just keeps on keeping on
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That tracks. Allegory of the cave is a big theme going through it
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I guess all redpills kinda represent that
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Though Neos realization that even the prophecy is a lie (a further fire casting shadows) goes another step further?
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shellhead84 12.12.2021. 2:18
I think one reason why the matrix 3 wasn’t too well received is that the ending was something that was trying to be something that was up for interpretation. The problem was that it wasn’t executed well. So that created two issues: an ending that wasn’t written well that also wasn’t intended to be clear cut. Does that make sense? Lol
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I think one reason why the matrix 3 wasn’t too well received is that the ending was something that was trying to be something that was up for interpretation. The problem was that it wasn’t executed well. So that created two issues: an ending that wasn’t written well that also wasn’t intended to be clear cut. Does that make sense? Lol
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 12.12.2021. 2:24
Uh huh...
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Yet Nolan banks off that shit
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what makes the Wachaoskis different
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shellhead84 12.12.2021. 2:26
But Nolan is a better filmmaker than the wachowskis. He’s just more talented and able to make wierd and confusing movies that people want to rewatch to understand. Once I saw what they were trying to do I liked matrix 3 more
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Least that’s my opinion
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Tenant was a bit overrated to me. It’s one of Nolan’s least interesting films
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But it’s his most confusing and convoluted movie that people still love (edited)
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Farimer123#1702 12.12.2021. 3:07
I haven’t seen a lot of love for Tenant online
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It didn’t get sterling critic reviews either
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By most accounts it’s perhaps his worst film
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shellhead84 12.12.2021. 3:29
I personally think interstellar was his worst film. But Tenant wasn’t his best either mostly because the characters weren’t very interesting. Still very interesting but I haven’t been in a rush to rewatch it.
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:41
Hey guys!
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I’m new to the server
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Welcome!!
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:42
I finally got around to watching the matrix 2 and 3
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After hearing alot of negative things about them
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And il say this, Im so glad I watched them
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Good! 3 didn't sit too well with me back when it came out, but on subsequent rewatches, I liked it more each time
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:44
The defense of Zion was fucking epic and the final battle between smith and Neo was absolutely nuts
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Reloaded was always a bop. Maybe a bit strangely paced, but a bop nonetheless (edited)
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:45
Yeah one thing I dident like about matrix 2 was the weird sex sequence between neo and Trinity mixed with scenes of erotic dancing which seemed to just go on FOREVEER
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I was so glad when that scene was over 😂
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And I could get back to what the matrix was all about
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A little awkward, yeah, but it was meant to be an affirmation of humanity n what being unplugged can be n all that.
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:47
I mean I totally get that from that perspective
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But on the other hand, keanu butt
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XD
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:48
Lmao fuck sake 😂
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I mean I Guess I’ve only watched the three movies once over so I probably had a different view
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Can’t believe neo lost his eyes though
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He didn't see it coming
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:48
….
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😂
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So you’ve all seen the latest trailer right ?
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For M4?
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So is it confirmed that Trinity has been reinserted into the matrix by the machines ?
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It looks that way
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I haven't seen the stuff that's come out in the last couple days
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:50
I have a fear
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That now she’s plugged back in
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That she can’t be unplugged or she will die
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I think they will be using it as both a prison, and life support
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Tho this may be for the #m4-spoilers or #m4-trailer-discussion , just in case theres no spoiler folks in here >> (edited)
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But those are interesting thoughts
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Cos she got messed up pretty good in revolutions
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:51
Yeah exactly thats what I’m thinking
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So it’s definitely clear though
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The peace between humanity and the machines is over right ?
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Idk, but it's probably on the fence or fails during the course of it. The terms of the truce may be different from what they were in MxO, and I don't think they were really fleshed out in the end of m3
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Even though I just watched it last month and should probably remember (edited)
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Deleted User 12.12.2021. 3:56
MxO?
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Matrix Online
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At the time it was the canon continuation of the story, tho ressurections may be changing tracks on how the future went down
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theres a working server right now. unfortunately it doesnt have missions or anything but people are using code to teleport around and help players find whatever they can for hints about the movie. its actually kind of cool even though theres barely any content
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i think they give you unlimited money so you can go to vendors and buy new clothes and stuff. but its best to have someone to guide you around so make sure youre active in chat
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like if you have a guide you can type &gotoplayer __ (players name) then just teleport to them
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oh i guess that was all obvious being theres a whole section dedicated to this lol. im an idiot
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shellhead84 13.12.2021. 19:02
The Matrix Resurrections star Keanu Reeves laughs and dismisses NFTs as "usually reproduced" when asked his opinion during an interview.
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This is why he is The One!
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.12.2021. 19:04
He knows what's what. Fantastic guy. breathtaking
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His laugh is non fungible, that’s for sure
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 14.12.2021. 2:26
...
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I just realized a awful irony
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Trinity died from three rebars (edited)
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isn't that ironic
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That's not irony, that's just symbolism
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 14.12.2021. 2:27
really?
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so a cancer zodiac dying from crabs isn't ironic?
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Best example of irony is the attempted assassination of President Reagan. The bullet ricochet off the bullet proof plating of the armored limo. IE something designed to keep him safe in fact almost killed him
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Another example is the song “Ironic” it’s supposed to be list of examples of irony and yet all of them are not n fact ironic
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So rain on your wedding day is not Ironic?
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Another example is the song “Ironic” it’s supposed to be list of examples of irony and yet all of them are not n fact ironic
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 14.12.2021. 2:36
lemme guess
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Bo Burnham
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Alanis Morissette
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 14.12.2021. 2:40
damnit
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his IRONIC is good too
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His ironic is making fun of hers which is the original
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 14.12.2021. 3:06
hm...
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Anyone knows how to watch Matrix4 without cinema in germany? (when it is out next week) I want to see it at home on a TV with a streaming service or such. But I cannot find any information about it on the web so far. (edited)
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Does HBOMax allow streaming in Germany?
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Only with VPN and I think it is only in english. 😕
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Do you have Plex?
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No. 😕 I checked it on google. I have to downlod something on a Pc to let it start? Man. I wish Netflix, Amazon Video or stuff like that just get the movie to purchase it.
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Nah, WB doesn't want to pay Netflix or Amazon to host the movie
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:< And the corona-rules are too harsh to get a footstep into the cinema current. Thanks for the help so far! 👌 I hope someone else has also ideas/ comes from germany and tell me the secret plan to just watch a new movie. Man I miss it to rent a dvd from a dvd shop. My wife and me went there every week 8 years ago. Now every store is closed.
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 15.12.2021. 0:39
alright
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big question
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in matrix 1
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Neo said their plan to face the Agents head on is going to work, simply because no one else has done it before
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now, logically, because there hasn't been anything like this before, the Matrix has no data to refer to
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BUT
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then there's the reasoning why they have no history of the past Matrixes
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as Neo put it, "either no one told me, or no one knew,"
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so...
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were the machines that retarded?
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they had 5 backup data from previous matrixes and zions, and they didn't have anything to counteract this?
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙
they had 5 backup data from previous matrixes and zions, and they didn't have anything to counteract this?
You have to keep in mind that The Matrix and The Machines are very compartmentalize. The reason agents didn't know about the previous Ones is because there's no need for them to know in order to do what they were programmed to do. Only programs like The Architect & The Oracle know because it's their job to know. The Merovingian knows because he uses it to survive each Cycle of the One.
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You have to keep in mind that The Matrix and The Machines are very compartmentalize. The reason agents didn't know about the previous Ones is because there's no need for them to know in order to do what they were programmed to do. Only programs like The Architect & The Oracle know because it's their job to know. The Merovingian knows because he uses it to survive each Cycle of the One.
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 15.12.2021. 1:08
right, the agents dont need to know
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doesnt mean the network shouldn't fucking warn them
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just say "Ayo these humans are coming. get ready"
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doesnt mean the network shouldn't fucking warn them
The Cycle plays out how it's supposed to play out. A redpill chosen by The System gets awaken by Zion & then gets awaken by The System to become The One. The One is then supposed to reach The Source where he reinserts the Prime Program & disseminate the collection of errors that makes up The One. This Cycle is what keeps The Matrix working and it needs to happen in the order I described. So Agents provide resistance as to not give up the game. However, they can't be too powerful as to keep The One from fulfilling his role.
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 15.12.2021. 1:15
So...
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they make to destory
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huh
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It's a lot to mull over, let it roll around in your head a little bit and it'll eventually make sense.
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You have to keep in mind that The Matrix and The Machines are very compartmentalize. The reason agents didn't know about the previous Ones is because there's no need for them to know in order to do what they were programmed to do. Only programs like The Architect & The Oracle know because it's their job to know. The Merovingian knows because he uses it to survive each Cycle of the One.
David T. Gregory 15.12.2021. 3:15
https://youtu.be/2NmPeqNb6Ok?t=116 there must be a bit of knowledge about the one and their previous iterations (edited)
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(although one might argue at this point smith had already absorbed someone with that knowledge) (edited)
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(although one might argue at this point smith had already absorbed someone with that knowledge) (edited)
Yea, that would be my guess on how Smith knew about the previous Ones. Notice he never made a comment like that in the first Matrix movie. Even when he went on that "It's the smell" rant while interrogating Morpheus.
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David T. Gregory 15.12.2021. 3:18
although that whole interrogation was a farce in the grand scheme of things
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they never needed any zion codes
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How so?
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David T. Gregory 15.12.2021. 3:20
smith wanted morpheus' access codes for the zion mainframe, in order to destroy it (zion) from inside, as far as i understood it. but with or without codes the destruction of zion was gonna happen anyway
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also theyd need the whole zion infrastructure at least until the one truly realizes their potential
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Like I said, refer back to my comment about the compartmentalization of how The Matrix is run.
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David T. Gregory 15.12.2021. 3:21
yeah thats why i called it a farce in the grand scheme
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Honestly, even before Neo exploded him from the inside, Smith was going off script of his agent programming. I'd love to see what set that off.
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David T. Gregory 15.12.2021. 3:22
he may not know any better but ultimately its pointless
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who knows how long hes been in the matrix. maybe his enhanced personality programming ultimately broke down after being in use for too long
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and nobody cared to fix him, cause as an agent hes bound to purpose and they didnt expect him to break out in any way
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Yea, we don't know how long it is from one reboot to the next.
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Uptime can be a bitch :v
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The Cycle plays out how it's supposed to play out. A redpill chosen by The System gets awaken by Zion & then gets awaken by The System to become The One. The One is then supposed to reach The Source where he reinserts the Prime Program & disseminate the collection of errors that makes up The One. This Cycle is what keeps The Matrix working and it needs to happen in the order I described. So Agents provide resistance as to not give up the game. However, they can't be too powerful as to keep The One from fulfilling his role.
Exactly.
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 16.12.2021. 23:05
Think we're gonna see another Seraphim in Ressurections?
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Seraph was a Seraphim from potentially the 1st Matrix
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That'd be cool, but I wouldn't hold that hope
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Though I'd love some side stories following seraph
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Man I saw this a month ago on the dvd bonus and rewatch the szene at 5:40 again makes me think: "this is so much cooler than in the movie" 😂 The camera shakes, he evades some attacks, and so on
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I know. I can't believe they didn't do most of the fight in one cut, it would actually fit in so well.
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the BOWLING PIN SOUND IS STILL IN THAT
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the BOWLING PIN SOUND IS STILL IN THAT
Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 18.12.2021. 15:19
i mean, the Matrix is trying to render that shit
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cause Smith is pushing it to the limits
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the BOWLING PIN SOUND IS STILL IN THAT
let's not forget about the domino sound
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There's a section in here talking about the model and VFX work with Adam Savage (can't believe he worked on it!!)
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EsotericMrE 19.12.2021. 18:12
Did anyone try that "supercut" called Matrix Revolutions: Decoded? I started it the other night, thinking that it was going to include cuts from Enter The Matrix.... it had ONE... the rest seemed to be someone's personal-opinion edits to merge Reloaded and Revolutions. I ended up giving up on it by the time Neo made it to the Architect. IMHO, the editor cut some very important scenes.
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It's pinned in #fan-films. Worth seeing for the effort and perspective I think
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EsotericMrE 19.12.2021. 23:11
Oh whoops. My bad
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Definitely agree, lots of important stuff was cut. I was hoping for more of a merger of the two with some of the fluff removed
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 20.12.2021. 22:29
He went in D E E P!
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AtomicSheriff 21.12.2021. 17:57
Sooooo new covid restrictions in my province, no more cinemas... guess î'll miss the only movie i wanted to see in years
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That sucks, I'm sorry to hear ;0;
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Can you VPN and watch on HBO?
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Ceege
Can you VPN and watch on HBO?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.12.2021. 18:26
Only if you have US credit card.
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Wouldn’t be surprised is there’s torrents from midnight
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Wouldn’t be surprised is there’s torrents from midnight
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.12.2021. 18:27
I wouldn't trust torrents this early. Unless your PC can handle fat batch of viruses. 😛
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Get a Mac, never had a virus from a torrent 😆
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Get a Mac, never had a virus from a torrent 😆
That because no one bothers to make viruses for Macs. 😆
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AtomicSheriff 21.12.2021. 18:34
I have an old pc i torrent everything on it
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Guess it'll have to do
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.12.2021. 18:35
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AtomicSheriff 21.12.2021. 18:36
I prefer kazaa litek++
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Lol
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I prefer kazaa litek++
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.12.2021. 18:36
You like living on the edge, huh?
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Is limewire still around?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
You like living on the edge, huh?
AtomicSheriff 21.12.2021. 18:37
If i really did i woulve mentioned morpheus instead
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uses limewire to DL limewire pro
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AtomicSheriff 21.12.2021. 18:38
You cracked the code my friend
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The Matrix Has You 22.12.2021. 0:01
@everyone Hope everyone enjoys the new movie! Best. Christmas. Gift. Ever. Suggestion: I suggest not reading the reviews before you see the movie because: 1. You risk minor or major spoilers 2. There is a chance the reviews may weigh into whether or not you enjoy the movie
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 0:56
@everyone I'm going to be stream The Animatrix and Matrix Trilogy until the drop of Matrix Resurrections
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Hey guys, I'm rewatching the original matrix on HBO max, it looks like they changed the color correction?
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In-matrix shots ain't as green tinted as they use to be
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For example
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Top image is from the 1080p release, bottom image is from the HBOMax version.
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 2:08
or is YOUR matrix being changed?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.12.2021. 2:09
Original one is obviously superior. No green tint, no fun.
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The HBOMax one looks all wrong
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.12.2021. 2:14
HBOMax is like "Uh, can someone please remove all this Matrix from my Matrix?"
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they george lucas'ed it
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Is your tv color broken 🤣
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I sm just kidding maxLaugh
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.12.2021. 2:16
"dOnT yOu hAvE cOloR paLeTtE?"
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I haven't bothered to rewatch them on HBO Max (edited)
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@Warboy did you watch in Dolby vision
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Which minute is your screenshot from
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its whatever one they default to on HBO Max
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the 1080p one is the original bluray 1080p one I think.
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also I think the green tint is artificially removed instead of using the original film.
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because the color correction isnt consistent
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The version of The Matrix on HBO Max is actually the remastered one which fixes the color grade, so it doesn't have that overbearing green tint all over everything. It's quite remarkable how much of an improvement that made.
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It's funny when you Google on the green stuff
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OVERBEARING? it was meant to be that way 😐
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.12.2021. 2:24
"FIXES" - excuse me but what (edited)
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Hahaha
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David T. Gregory 22.12.2021. 2:25
it wouldve been nice if they had increased the green tint gradually over the course of the 3 movies
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representing neos growing awareness of the matrix
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You guys tried out the new HBO max android tv app?
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Very smooth but lacking quite features and Atmos is broken again LOLFACEMATRIX (edited)
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Big discussion over there
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Hahaha this happens when people are bored
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Alright Dolby Atmos and Vision activated
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Ew those subs lol
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Omg that Reddit topic is insane
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That's really f*cked upmaxLaugh
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I remember multiple crew saying the green tint was on purpose
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Man this movie Mr Anderson
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Simply lovely
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starschwar 22.12.2021. 2:52
They have altered the tint with every single release of the film. I think the only time it was consistent was the Ultimate Collection having the same grading on both DVD and Blu-Ray (possibly HDDVD too?). I've always been partial to the Ultimate Collection, it looks consistent with the Reloaded and Revolutions. (edited)
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One shot of Revolutions was altered from theaters to home video - the Machine taking Neo away at the end had red eyes in theaters, green at home. They are back to red on MAX, and possibly the 4K release as well but I cannot confirm the later. They probably just scanned in the theatrical print and didn't care/know about the alteration.
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As far as I know, Animatrix and Reloaded have never been altered.
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That's quite some text you posted ☺
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The Matrix Has You 22.12.2021. 3:19
Also, The Ani-Matrix is just as much a part of this franchise as Matrix: Resurrections! Don't forget to watch it if you haven't already
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 4:06
Animatrix Now Playing
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 4:31
The Matrix Now Playing
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They have altered the tint with every single release of the film. I think the only time it was consistent was the Ultimate Collection having the same grading on both DVD and Blu-Ray (possibly HDDVD too?). I've always been partial to the Ultimate Collection, it looks consistent with the Reloaded and Revolutions. (edited)
Does this version have the original tint? Just ordered it to be shipped yesterday. If not, oh well, it will do. Been rewatching the trilogy on HBOMax this week, but wanted physical copies.
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Does this version have the original tint? Just ordered it to be shipped yesterday. If not, oh well, it will do. Been rewatching the trilogy on HBOMax this week, but wanted physical copies.
the green tint or no green tint? any DVD - Bluray should have the proper green tint, VHS has yellow tint, 4K Remaster has barely any tint.
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They have altered the tint with every single release of the film. I think the only time it was consistent was the Ultimate Collection having the same grading on both DVD and Blu-Ray (possibly HDDVD too?). I've always been partial to the Ultimate Collection, it looks consistent with the Reloaded and Revolutions. (edited)
Cavalcante (MHP) 22.12.2021. 6:06
The thing is, the original theater version had only a slight green tint, but since it became a symbol of the franchise people exagerated in other versions, and then tried to correct it again
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the green tint or no green tint? any DVD - Bluray should have the proper green tint, VHS has yellow tint, 4K Remaster has barely any tint.
Green tint. Thanks, was just curious.
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Prxphet | Izox 22.12.2021. 6:12
@SnobVisions 👍
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Deleted User 22.12.2021. 7:03
Will Neo and Trinity return for 'Matrix 5'? Here's everything we know (or think we know) about a 'Resurrections' follow-up, from possible release date and trailer to cast, plot, and more.
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 9:02
now streaming Matrix: Resurrections! (edited)
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Deleted User 22.12.2021. 9:48
Hey snob can you give me the file to redirections
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Resurrections
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 9:52
?
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im streaming from hbo max
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Deleted User 22.12.2021. 9:56
damn :(
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I can’t even watch the shit
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Illegal
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 10:48
seems like a shitty move to do that considering you're putting the entire server in jeopardy of being shut down by discord or dmca'd rather than somewhere else privately @SnobVisions
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Here we go!
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:24
@![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek dont know you buddy but. I pay for HBO and I'm able to stream what I'm watching to friends and family. Since I do pay for it, not charging anyone
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know what youre talking
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 11:25
Yeah, streaming it out on this server? Not how that works.
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:25
Ok
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ok so streaming watch parties dont exist
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bro you got it
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you win.
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happy
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lol
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 11:28
Do it on another server where you're not putting this one and everyone on it in jeopardy of being shut down by discord.
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:28
IF IM NOT CHARGING ANYONE I CAN STREAM IT
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 11:29
Again, not how that works, not even remotely close to being how that works, like, so hilariously off base on how that works.
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I'm sure you also think if you're not charging anyone you're good to stream your music from streaming services on twitch/youtube/wherever? lol.
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At least there it's just your channel that gets hit, not a server you don't own that you're a guest on.
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:30
when your not profiting and you listening to it with friends and family yea
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you can
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 11:30
LOL
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:31
this isnt you tube
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or twitch
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 11:31
doesnt matter
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:31
yea it does
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.12.2021. 11:31
you're sharing a streaming services content
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dude, you're so off base and wrong here it's fucking sad. Your stream has ended, conversation over.
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Enjoy your night.
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 11:32
so stfu
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Stop this childishness
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Now.
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yoshikagelisa 22.12.2021. 11:48
ngl film was low key lit
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Cavalcante (MHP) 22.12.2021. 11:48
Spoon moment
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yoshikagelisa 22.12.2021. 11:48
no cap
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anyone know where i can pay to watch the new matrix movie in the uk via the internet without a vpn?
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anyone know where i can pay to watch the new matrix movie in the uk via the internet without a vpn?
Cavalcante (MHP) 22.12.2021. 13:00
Only in theaters im afraid
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Silby # 3436 22.12.2021. 14:18
Canada doesnt have it for streaming and I hate the theatre because of my autism and sensory overload, are you fuckin kidding me?
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Can the spoiler ban be held until it is available to stream everywhere
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Here we go!
420/10 outfit
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 22.12.2021. 16:18
I was thinking about how a lot of people were disappointed about the Matrix sequels as a whole and I think a lot of it might be related to the fact that the first film is like "this is the real world... But actually it isn't!" And also has things about choice being an illusion and had the groundbreaking bullet time. I think it wasn't something that could really be done again in the same way. Like I think what a lot of people wanted was just another Matrix (as I'm like the first film again) but it just wasn't something that could really be done again
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 17:15
@Silby # 3436 @arron2o23 Ill send yall a message tonight and I'll do a private watch party for those friends who cant stream or go to the theater due location and the lock downs.
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Silby # 3436 22.12.2021. 17:16
Thanks for the offer. But I'm planning to watch with my family all together, so I'll wait until my family figures out how to VPN it.
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yea im gonna look into vpn it it too i dont wanna watch it for free since i wanna support it but thanks anyway 🙂
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Sati: Will we ever see Neo again? Oracle: I suspect so, someday. me: TODAY
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Deleted User 22.12.2021. 20:24
if anyone needs a link, slide in dms.
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No way, rain is coming and i am with the glasses dude... Feel it?
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The Matrix Has You 22.12.2021. 22:13
Anyone know how long the movie will be in theaters?
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I might wait until Jan/Feb to see it if its still out lol
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I've heard 2 hours and 30 minutes?
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I've heard 2 hours and 30 minutes?
The Matrix Has You 22.12.2021. 22:18
I meant how many months will be it playing?
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The Matrix Has You
I meant how many months will be it playing?
Depends on how successful it is in the box office. The more money it makes the longer is stays out.
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The Matrix Has You 22.12.2021. 22:27
Yeah, good point
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BTW, anyone know if Matrix Awakens, or Unreal Engine, have their own Discord server?
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shrugs
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SnobVisions 22.12.2021. 22:50
@The Matrix Has You unreal has Unreal Slackers discord for devs. (edited)
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@The Matrix Has You unreal has Unreal Slackers discord for devs. (edited)
The Matrix Has You 22.12.2021. 23:19
Appreciate you bro
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user182849294924 23.12.2021. 0:51
Ok so
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WestleyWolf 23.12.2021. 1:19
Idk if anyone remembers this but the freeway chase in reloaded was a huge product placement for GM lol
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Even the traffic was GM.
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 23.12.2021. 1:22
Well, more so for Cadillac and Ducati specifically
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WestleyWolf 23.12.2021. 1:27
Yeah
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They trashed every single car. None were sparred. They all went back totaled. (edited)
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 23.12.2021. 3:14
Sidenote for anyone who doesn't have hbo max but has hulu: Hulu allows you to do a 7 day free trial of hbo max through them, takes 30 seconds to add to your hulu account, watch the movie, and 30 seconds to remove from your hulu so you don't get upcharged in a week. Easy Peasy Legal Squeasy 🙂
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(if you don't have hulu you might be able to do a combo of their trial with their hbo max trial, but I have no clue on that one)
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Got my tickets for tomorrow. Sadly iMax doesn’t have any showings near me. 😭 They are just showing Spider-Man.
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Apple iMax
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Trying to resist my temptation to watch on HBO Max because me and family have tickets for Christmas Day
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6.5/10. The cringe moments and the on the nose storytelling ruin it imo. Tbh I expected it to be way worse and was pleasantly surprised. My only hopes for this movie were for it to do well commercially, so Warner Bros make some spin-off media. The world desperately needs another Animatrix.
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ABSOLUTELY we need another animatrix more than anything, that was my hope too... although it feels kind of far fetched
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but it was better than i thought too, but not impressively lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
I wouldn't trust torrents this early. Unless your PC can handle fat batch of viruses. 😛
Luna ☽⛤☾🧿🪬☥ 23.12.2021. 5:53
nah they are already quality ones. from the hbomax
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shellhead84 23.12.2021. 6:08
So question. Without spoilers of course? Where on this server can I share my opinion of the movie?
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without spoilers, the matrix resurections channel
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with spoilers
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m4-spoilers
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The Matrix Has You 23.12.2021. 7:50
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The Matrix Has You 23.12.2021. 11:22
Somebody tell me. Why it feels more real when I dream than when I am awake
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Deleted User 23.12.2021. 11:59
new movie aside, neo is a program 100% fr fr 🚒
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he was just a pawn in the construction and destruction of zion so it would make sense for the robots to also control neo
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He can manifest into a human's body, and is specially designed to be plugged out later on in life
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agent smith got the tango with neo and when neo died, the matrix couldn't have that, so it freaked up something and agent smith got his cool ninja powers
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Theres a reason neo can do what he can do time and time again, and it's cause he was bred for it
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The Matrix Has You 23.12.2021. 22:33
Anyone know where I could find a Newspaper with Matrix Resurrections on the cover?
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The Matrix Has You
Anyone know where I could find a Newspaper with Matrix Resurrections on the cover?
Probably at your local newspaper office.
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MATRIX 4 HAS TO BE THE STUPIDEST SHIT I HAVE EVER WATCHED
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duomaxwell9372 24.12.2021. 0:36
My little cousin just said matrix 2 and 3 absolutely suck. I wouldn't care if he said that about m4. But saying matrix reloaded flat out sucked just got him canceled ☠ (edited)
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My little cousin just said matrix 2 and 3 absolutely suck. I wouldn't care if he said that about m4. But saying matrix reloaded flat out sucked just got him canceled ☠ (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.12.2021. 0:58
Good! You don't need such friends! You have us!
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The Matrix Has You 24.12.2021. 4:37
Are you guys meeting up on The Matrix Online at all or nah?
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Rewatching Animatrix for the first time. Forgot how great Kid's Story is
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The Matrix Has You 24.12.2021. 9:59
I know I really care about a movie franchsie when every criticism I read feels like a personal attack targeted at me lol
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The Matrix Has You 24.12.2021. 11:09
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.12.2021. 16:29
Lol cool!
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is it just simple greenscreen work?
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im talking about these scenes specifically, cause in mass combat scenes like the burly brawl or the fight in the hallways it doesnt seem to matter since there are numerous camera cuts anyway
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David T. Gregory 24.12.2021. 20:41
i know that video and thank you. but thats only focusing on the final fight where the other smiths basically do nothing
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.12.2021. 20:41
I'm pretty sure the same thing with modelled masks apply here as well.
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David T. Gregory 24.12.2021. 20:45
i see
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thank you
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Just came in the mail...it's beautiful.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.12.2021. 23:32
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Rewatched the trilogy this week on HBO Max and decided I needed physical copies.
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My local Walmart had them on Blu-Ray but I didn't want pay that much, but this is a new copy at least.
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Seeing Resurrections in cinema tomorrow night.
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Got my 3 movie Blu ray for 10$ at Half Price Books, if there's one in your area
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Need to get the Animatrix sometime now too
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It was $15 at Walmart for the 3 movies and Animatrix
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On Blu Ray
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DVD was $9.99 and was here in less than 3 days.
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https://lulz.com/the-mystery-of-larry-wachowski-5443/ A friend linked me this earlier today. It's an article from Rolling Stone in 2006 on Larry (now Lana) Wachowski that's been scrubbed from their website. Apparently Lana destroyed her marriage and the marriage of Hollywood's top dominatrix, and were a couple for years during the original trilogy. Hell, he brought her on set and to the premiere of Reloaded. There's also a direct time correlation of meeting her and starting to take hormones. Really interesting stuff.
Could the co-creator of The Matrix real life truly be stranger than fiction?
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Also, Lana married said dominatrix in 2009, and they're still married
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Eh, I don't pay attention to the personal lives of celebrities.
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https://lulz.com/the-mystery-of-larry-wachowski-5443/ A friend linked me this earlier today. It's an article from Rolling Stone in 2006 on Larry (now Lana) Wachowski that's been scrubbed from their website. Apparently Lana destroyed her marriage and the marriage of Hollywood's top dominatrix, and were a couple for years during the original trilogy. Hell, he brought her on set and to the premiere of Reloaded. There's also a direct time correlation of meeting her and starting to take hormones. Really interesting stuff.
You can still refer to her with she/her, even if it's in the past tense
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You can still refer to her with she/her, even if it's in the past tense
I can, I don't have to. Example: Caitlyn Jenner won the 1976 men's olympic decathlon sounds pretty weird. I did for the most part anyway, only slipped up the once
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Good lord and lady above, these spam bots.
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a relentless battle even on christmas
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 26.12.2021. 2:28
I'm battling spambots every single day on forum im moderating.
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It's definitely the season for them
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sigmundfreud007 26.12.2021. 5:30
Are you an agent?
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@bitbomb I am about to rewatch The Matrix, #1, and I hope you don't mute my incoming criticisms that will come herein
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It's basically the perfect movie, and everything that came after was worse. But my god, what came after was a lot more than just worse lol
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@bitbomb I'm 2:12 in, and the filmmaking on display is already infinitely better than even the best scene in Resurrections. I'm so fucking depressed from how far we've fallen
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I didn't even recognize the first time just how badly they fucked up the intro sequence in the re-do in Resurrections
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God damn though, Carrie Ann Moss 23 years ago was fine
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There are a lot of reasons why the sequels didn't measure up to the original, in spite of the amazing highway chase scene and characters like Merv and Persephone and The Trainman etc. Cybernoir? Nope. Bullet time? Completely abandoned for crummy looking full CG humans that took me right out of the movie when seeing it in theaters.
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Ugh, and that shitty music
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Seeing Agent Johnson in this rewatch and knowing his scenes were cut from Resurrections without reason, after hyping them up for marketing, I hate it even more
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Hode up I thought you were watching M1
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I am
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Johnson is played by Daniel Bernhardt from Reloaded
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God, the VFX are like 100x better than anything we got in Resurrections, with a smaller budget
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No shit? He wasn't one of the first 3 agents?
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Nah that's Smith, Brown, and uh
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I can't remember the third one
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Okay that's my bad then
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Johnson is the guido lookin one that busts the door open during the super secret meeting in the beginning of Reloaded
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Dude, just the pure filmmaking in the first 10 minutes of 1 is better than the whole of Resurrections. The storytelling in the dialogue and delivery, the camera pans and cuts, all of it
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh
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I remember now
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(Who was also Van Damme's replacement in Bloodsport 2)
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No shit?!
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And he was Bob Odenkirk's trainer for 'Nobody'
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He's still a working man then, that makes it even more insulting they cut him out
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Yeah he played a tiny role in 'Nobody' as one of the Russian gangsters, also did the same kind of thing in John Wick 1 and maybe 2? Maybe just 1
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But he's a trainer for Chad Stahelski's company I think
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Trainer/stunt guy
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There's an interesting divide between the choreographer who did the OG trilogy and Lana then
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He didn't come back for a reason
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I'm sure she offered him money to do it
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He did John Wick and Nobody
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I'd bet money that Johnson being cut was collateral damage to a larger issue between him and Lana
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Maybe it fit worse than Merv?
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Rofl, could anything be that bad? XD
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God, what they did to Merv hurt my soul
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I literally had nightmares after
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The way I see things, Lana has lost all her talent
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She isn't a good filmmaker anymore, for whatever reason, and we could speculate on the reasons 'til the end of time but it won't change the facts
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There is not a single scene in Resurrections that could even hold up, let alone surpass anything in The Matrix
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She's a hack, that's what she's become
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Instead of Blade Runner 2049, we got Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
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That's a harsh indictment
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Man people forget how shitty movies can be
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I mean it with every fiber of my being
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I'm genuinely depressed because of it
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I've had nightmares the past few nights, and I wake up and go to sleep sad
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My nightmares have comprised of people giving me shitty meta commentary of the world as we know it, and fuck I wish so badly I was making that up
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I really dug that the roof jump was done for real
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In 1?
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Move
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sorry, spoilers
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Oh yeah, I read that Keanu did the jump like 20+ times
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That's one of the worst parts of M4 though, the budget all went to them filming in San Fran 'cause it's expensive as fuck
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Instead of making a good movie, the budget went to filming in a recognizable place
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And not even recognizable for most of the world
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I'm Canadian, I know San Fran through movies, it doesn't mean anything to me though
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Did you notice during the "chase scene" that the cars were going like 20mph tops? It was so embarrassing
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I don't know if it was done there because it was recognizable, because they could have just as easily done it in Toronto or whatever other Canadian cities productions use as stand-ins for US cities.
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I'm a Torontonian with many friends in the film industry here, if it was filmed here, I would've known lol
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It was shot in San Fran
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Ayyyyyyy tronno
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T-Dot, even XD
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Fuck I hate that moniker though
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lol I know it was shot in san fran, we lot have been following this shit for 2 years lol
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eww I called it 'san fran'
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I hate that though, like they did it for literally no reason
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I mean I've seen Toronto in particular double for like, a dozen US cities
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The shots on-scene in San Fran must've cost them at least 40mn of the budget, and they're genuinely the worst parts of the movie
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That's why I argue Lana's a hack now
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She spent a lion's share of the budget for nothing
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So you're in Videodrome land huh?
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Also if you're old, you guys have the best BBSs
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Dunno what it is about you Torontonians, but you know how to hold down the fort
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So you're in Videodrome land huh?
I worked down the street from that building once lol
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We really do
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A close friend of mine worked on In The Mouth of Madness and Johnny Pneomonic
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wuuut
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She has polaroids of her hanging out with Keanu and him crashing on her couch after a coke binge
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The Mouth of Madness and Johnny Mnemonic are two of my favorite flicks (edited)
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If you have either movie, look up "Tanya Krivel" on the credits, she's an amazing gal, worked on tons of 80's and 90's movies filmed here
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Man the only fucking copy I could find of In the Mouth of Madness was some burned DVD in a printed jacket from Amazon
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That's a tough flick to find these days
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For sure, hence why I'm a pirate lol
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It's easier to pirate than it is to pay for what you want, so I pirate
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Once they change that I might pay
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Last resort
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I still pay to go to the theater, but that's about it
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The club from Total Recall
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Oh man, one of my favourite scenes of all time
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Paul Verhoeven is an absolute genius
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So have you seen his recent stuff? Well, 'recent'
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Venus in Fur
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Haven't seen that, no
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Definitely see that
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Downloading it now
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But you've seen Starship Troopers obv
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Oh wow, holy fuck
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Robo Cop
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There's only one download link, and it's a DVDrip. For a movie from 2013, that means it's eclectic as FUCK as far as torrents go
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I'm even more intrigued now
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Basic Instinct ofc, that's a fucking essential
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Oh dude, you don't need to tell me lol
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damn, 1 seed
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Right?
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Dude's a hero
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Holy shit, download speeds are legit as hell though
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Getting 15MB/s
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It'll be done in a minute
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Done
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Yo, I'm a fucking idiot
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Roman Polanski
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Venus in Fur
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Wait, it's a remake?
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Absolutely watch it tho
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No
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I just got my wires crossed, we were talking about Paul Verhoeven shit
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Oh okay, gotcha
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Did you see The Ninth Gate?
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DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
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Fuck yeah I did
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So the chick that played Guadaupe
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One of the most underrated movies ever IMO
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The demon chick
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Okay okay, I know who're you're mentioning
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She's in Venus in Fur, amazing
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I'm looking forward to it
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Apparently she's married to Roman Polanski
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I judge the art, not the artist
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Same. Lots of controversy there
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Like Woody Harrelson is a monster, he makes damn good movies though
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I recently watched the last of The Apartment Trilogy, which was close to a lot of the... incidents
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I'm not familiar with that one, care to elaborate a bit?
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The Tenant (1976)
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Oooh okay, Polanski stuff
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I guess Roman was on the run at that point? I'm not sure.
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Don't care really, good flick. Weird, but good
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Truth be told, the only films of his I've seen are Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown, The Ninth Gate and The Pianist
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Rosemary's Baby was the first of 'The Apartment Trilogy'
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All of which rank in my top 50 movies
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Chinatown was amazing, did you see the sequel?
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The Two Jakes
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There's a sequel? How long after?
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like 6 years?
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no
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No shit?!
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16 years lol
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Oh okay lol, that makes more sense
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The Two Jakes (1990)
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Any good?
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It's worth watching. It's no Chinatown, but it didn't have Roman Polanski and Jerry Goldsmith
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(who coincidentally also composed the soundtrack to Total Recall)
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I'm gonna download it now and watch it tomorrow, I'll get back to you on my thoughts on it
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I'm super curious
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I've only seen it once, I'm glad I watched it, but I've seen Chinatown like 5 times
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Chinatown is like the ultimate film noir of the 1970's IMO
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It's worth seeing if you're really into the Jake character
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Yeah I agree
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If it wasn't Jack Nicholson in the role, it would've been Marlon Brando, which is a testament to how Nicholson absolutely slayed the role
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That's absolutely top notch 1970's noir
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Man, I can't even picture Brando as Jake
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Like, I can almost picture Dennis Hopper
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Brando is too laid back, too.... brando lol
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Hopper would've fit more in line with Jack, with Marlon it would've been a different beast. Not sure if better or worse
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Is there any other 1970's noir?
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Chinatown is the only thing I can think of atm
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The French Connection?
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Ohhhh yeah
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And The Conversation
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Noir-esque
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I absolutely fucking love the story behind the filming of The French Connection haha, William Friedkin filmed all those car stunts without any permits whatsoever
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That's why and how it feels as real as it does
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I love that they wrecked a car and had to settle with them later, but the crash is in the final cut
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Same haha, that could never happen today
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Well no, that's how you get shit like the assistant director that was killed on the railroad tracks on uh
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wtf was that movie
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midnight something
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I want to say The Omen but I know it's not
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lol nah
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this was like 8 years ago
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William Hurt was involved
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Midnight Rider
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that's the one
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no permits, just shooting on active railroad tracks. Sounds fun, but that's how you kill people
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For sure. It's a lot different than filming on Brooklyn/Queens streets and just speeding. You won't kill anyone, just have settlements to pay for any potential crashes
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Not with professionals, anyway
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No production companies are willing to take those risk though, not with how litigious America's become and how much money you can get these days for suing people
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You could probably get away with it in Canada tbh
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I mean shit, I know for a fact in Toronto people regularly get away with drunk driving and killing multiple people, they get out of prison in less than a decade in all cases
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Our "justice" system is kind of fucked lol
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@bitbomb On the topic of "judging the art and not the artist", I've got a dicey question for you
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What do you think about Harvey Weinstein's mark on film history? He personally greenlit and was personally involved in the making of some of the best films ever made, especially of the 90's, but the man's obviously a monster. Should we try to downplay that?
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I mean with his work in film, not him being a monster. Can't downplay that, obviously
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David T. Gregory 26.12.2021. 16:55
you can honor the work of everyone else involved nevertheless
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movies are ultimately a team effort and theres nothing more damaging than being like "great actors, great directors, great cinematography....and weinstein was there too. fuck that guy. the others were awesome though"
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its not exactly a chris benoit style case, where the performance in question hinges on ONLY that one person
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lets face it: if we cancel everything where a morally repugnant person or morally repugnant intentions were involved we can quit society and culture. but we can stop celebrating those people
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sure, ultimately its an individual choice. if you as an individual feel bad about watching a film where weinstein was involved, dont do it. i can respect that. but as a society, if we cancel any of the aforementioned achievments, were setting the stage for those people to do even more harm, by poisoning famous and beloved works of art, just with their involvement
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is it just me, or did Matrix 4 suck ? like a B-Mobie
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is it just me, or did Matrix 4 suck ? like a B-Mobie
its just you, but there are others like you.
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tell me why Matrix 4 is great
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I think it's the worst compared to the past 3
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kelly
tell me why Matrix 4 is great
have you seen the animatrix?
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Cause it felt like a love letter to me, a fan
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Cyon
have you seen the animatrix?
no
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kelly
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start there.
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is it just a replay of animatrix?
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Uh what
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im not sure what you mean by replay?
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Cyon
im not sure what you mean by replay?
as in, same everything
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same plot etc.
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not at all.
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why'd they have doogie houser playing a bad guy
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the man's an MD, why he bad
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Cuz he's a really talented actor and he chewed every scene he was in
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why is neo so weak
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can't even fly, bull shit
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Cuz he old
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Hold up Lemme grab my highlighter and thesaurus
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spoiling outside of #m4-spoilers SMH
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Morpheus want to be is the best fucking thing and I will die on that Hill
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aha oops
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how do i delete multiple messages wth
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you have to delete them one by one, sadly, but there arent very many that are spoilery, but if you want a deep dive into the larger matrix franchise there are other channels for that
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ok thx @Cyon
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ok thx @Cyon
in the future, you can also use spoiler tags if you are not sure, just surround the spoiler text with || on either side.
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Our "justice" system is kind of fucked lol
☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 26.12.2021. 23:39
Our justice system isnt the only thing thats fucked, what part of O'Canada do you hail from?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.12.2021. 3:52
I've finally watched first 1/3 of Animatrix properly. I wish I've done that earlier! Gonna watch Kid's Story after rewatching The Matrix.
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Not gonna lie, this is amazing.
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Animatrix is prog rock made manifest, absolute trip
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.12.2021. 3:54
Dan Davis quite literally willing himself free was a sight to behold.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
I've finally watched first 1/3 of Animatrix properly. I wish I've done that earlier! Gonna watch Kid's Story after rewatching The Matrix.
☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 27.12.2021. 10:27
I did this exact thing last night, next on the list is to re-watch reloaded. They are taking the M trilogy off of Netflix as of the 30th.
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thankfully its still on HBO.
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wow, my ebay alerts went off for Matrix Laserdiscs again... I got mine for AUD$400 earlier in the year as a personal favour from a dealer. Now they are at AUD$850+
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Wait it was $300
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 27.12.2021. 11:49
Why didn't the Oracle tell Neo about the other ones again? Was this addressed?
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I just watched Reloaded again yesterday and got Reminded that the Oracle essentially worked with the Architect
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David T. Gregory 27.12.2021. 13:37
cause then the whole prophecy wouldve been useless and neos compliance in the path of the one wouldve been at risk
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David T. Gregory
cause then the whole prophecy wouldve been useless and neos compliance in the path of the one wouldve been at risk
what forces Neo to comply with the path of the one? Is it not yet ANOTHER system of control?
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David T. Gregory 27.12.2021. 13:46
its a whole system set up so the designated one makes certain choices thatll ultimately lead him to the architect
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so its likely nobody actively forces him to do anything but the path is carefully crafted to make him wanna choose the right thing
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Precisely. A system of control meant to give Neo the illusion of choice.
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David T. Gregory 27.12.2021. 13:49
knowing the truth about the previous ones and the reason why they failed at what he knows to be the official task - save humanity from the matrix - would screw things up, cause hed start asking questions leading him down the wrong path
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which leads us all the way back to the original question planted in your mind after seeing the original matrix. "What is real?"
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David T. Gregory 27.12.2021. 13:51
after a long time of deliberation i chose to stick with the classic "cogito ergo sum"
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it doesnt matter if all this is actually real or a simulation or a dream that dreams itself, it doesnt matter if even my thoughts and consciousness are real or not. if it feels real enough, thats good enough for me to work with. and whats sufficient ultimately ends up being subjective
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☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 27.12.2021. 14:39
Reminds me of Edgar Allen Poe "All we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream"
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Well, hope that was worth it!
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.12.2021. 19:30
I realized that in M1 there's a whole bunch of "What" being said. I didn't count how much, but definite a lot.
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Metal Gear ???!
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This was months ago, but I feel now that we're post movie having it readily accessible would be a good idea
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Deleted User 28.12.2021. 4:45
whats y'alls take on the matrix being a trans allegory?
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whats y'alls take on the matrix being a trans allegory?
☆Schonrichtig☆ 28.12.2021. 5:04
The first Matrix didn't feel like watching a trans allegory at all until the Wachowskis said it. Seems like it was bits of sci-fi, action Kung-Fu, guns and the height of the 90's in one tale. Sure, if I created the Mona Lisa before or pre-trans. When I declare myself trans I can also declare my pre-trans work to be an allegory of trans because it is my work you know. Art is art. Very subjective.
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TheAnimator 28.12.2021. 5:37
True. oracle
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lostlocalhost (Fuse) 28.12.2021. 6:37
Old Morpheus is still alive in the new matrix version.
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The first Matrix didn't feel like watching a trans allegory at all until the Wachowskis said it. Seems like it was bits of sci-fi, action Kung-Fu, guns and the height of the 90's in one tale. Sure, if I created the Mona Lisa before or pre-trans. When I declare myself trans I can also declare my pre-trans work to be an allegory of trans because it is my work you know. Art is art. Very subjective.
Deleted User 28.12.2021. 6:54
The way i see it as a trans woman. The wachowskis didnt set out to make a trans movie. Both wither didnt realize they were trans before or were deeply in the closet to the point that if the matrix was based on their trans experience those experiences wouldnt have happened. There are 100 percent themes in the matrix that trans people can relate to. But it is riduclous to assume that its a movie about BEING trans. Especially sonce they had 3 sequels to talk about being trans, and two of them are philosppjical circle jerks
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The way i see it as a trans woman. The wachowskis didnt set out to make a trans movie. Both wither didnt realize they were trans before or were deeply in the closet to the point that if the matrix was based on their trans experience those experiences wouldnt have happened. There are 100 percent themes in the matrix that trans people can relate to. But it is riduclous to assume that its a movie about BEING trans. Especially sonce they had 3 sequels to talk about being trans, and two of them are philosppjical circle jerks
☆Schonrichtig☆ 28.12.2021. 7:00
Yep. Missed opportunity right there.
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Missed opportunity for what? They didnt meet that mistress until after the trilogy was completed.
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Foul Faygus 28.12.2021. 15:10
I mean they missed an opportunity to have more content that wasnt philosophically circlejerking (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.12.2021. 17:49
Damn, every time I watch scenes with Bane-Smith I am amazed by just how many similarities are between both actors here. It's like looking at Hugo wearing someone else's skin, but he still moves and sounds, even has facial expression, of Hugo's Smith.
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Deleted User 28.12.2021. 18:01
an article giving reason why it is a trans allegory. I disagree with all of the points made
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Lilly Wachowski has confirmed that The Matrix is a trans allegory – and as the fourth film, Matrix Resurrections, is released, here's a recap.
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p.s. I always thought switch was a lesbian
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☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 29.12.2021. 11:29
Dont know where else to really post this but if anyone is interested in seeing Carrie-Anne's other world, its teaching meditation, mindfulness techniques and drawing from her kundalini yoga practice to help people achieve balance in their lives. She has free resources and courses on this website she runs. Its no wonder she gravitated to playing Trinity in the matrix franchise, it was destined to be. https://annapurnaliving.com/
Actress Carrie Anne Moss is the founder of Annapurna Living, a lifestyle brand designed to elevate & empower women through articles & classes on yoga, meditation, motherhood, and conscious living.
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Oh I had no idea good for her
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it even has an affiliate link in case you want to buy a $15,000 energy healing device!
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which one's the best reaction?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 30.12.2021. 1:06
Honestly, not sure, but it's absolutely AMAZING material for some good memes!
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I hope someone makes something out of it
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agreed
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imma post this to r/matrix
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:10
can someone explain to me why they overdid the green filter in the newest movie?
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wow this place is kind of dead for such a big community
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☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆
Dont know where else to really post this but if anyone is interested in seeing Carrie-Anne's other world, its teaching meditation, mindfulness techniques and drawing from her kundalini yoga practice to help people achieve balance in their lives. She has free resources and courses on this website she runs. Its no wonder she gravitated to playing Trinity in the matrix franchise, it was destined to be. https://annapurnaliving.com/
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:19
so its goop but decent?
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can someone explain to me why they overdid the green filter in the newest movie?
Green tint from trilogy from old MS-DOS computers. Blue color in Rez from mobile device Blue light. “The blue light emitted by your cell phone screen restrains the production of melatonin, the hormone that controls your sleep-wake cycle (aka circadian rhythm). This makes it even more difficult to fall asleep and wake up the next day. ... Studies also show that exposure to blue light can cause damage to your retinas.” https://www.sclhealth.org/blog/2019/09/why-it-is-time-to-ditch-the-phone-before-bed/
That soft screen glow can interfere with your oh-so precious sleep cycle. Learn the negative effects it can have on your health.
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:31
I don't have a cell phone
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and you also didn't answer my question, its clearly an artistic decision to have the green so high
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☆Schonrichtig☆ 30.12.2021. 3:31
I have a Nokia phone if you want
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:31
not because of an old monitor
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I have a Nokia phone if you want
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:31
that's what I have
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what i really meant was "i dont have a smart phone"
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☆Schonrichtig☆ 30.12.2021. 3:32
Oh
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Green tint from trilogy from old MS-DOS computers. Blue color in Rez from mobile device Blue light. “The blue light emitted by your cell phone screen restrains the production of melatonin, the hormone that controls your sleep-wake cycle (aka circadian rhythm). This makes it even more difficult to fall asleep and wake up the next day. ... Studies also show that exposure to blue light can cause damage to your retinas.” https://www.sclhealth.org/blog/2019/09/why-it-is-time-to-ditch-the-phone-before-bed/
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:32
MS DOS computers don't have a green tint, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard
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green terminals were never used in MS-DOS
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(unless you changed it manually)
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it was either white on black or white on blue
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Wow, you’re a real charmer.
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:35
with rare occasions the red on black/blue
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Wow, you’re a real charmer.
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:35
the information you posted is equivalent to someone saying "the earth is flat"
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Dude, be cool. Follow the channel rules, particularly #1. No one wants grief for trying to answer a question.
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 3:39
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Just realized this isn't the first time Keanu did an unnecessary sequel to a franchise
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can someone explain to me why they overdid the green filter in the newest movie?
Looks like your picture is tinted. Movie is not tinted green
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Yeah it didnt look like that when I watched it.
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 5:45
that's an awesome box set, got mine for 50 pence
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OG 480p baby haha
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Have had it since it released! Seen many many travels
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 5:46
yeah I dont watch anything on it besides the bonus discs
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Same!
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Have had it since it released! Seen many many travels
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 5:46
is that the regular release or the one with the bust?
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Just regular release
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 5:48
right
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when are they releasing animatrix on 4k
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Not entirely sure when
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Final Flight of the Osiris in 1080p was somewhat dated but still very impressive for what we had at the time
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 5:53
its alright
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I mean the best anime in Animatrix is obviously (fuck i forgot the name)
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the 2 parter about the history of the machines
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Second Renaissance
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:10
yes that
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oh and btw
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WHERE IS CLUBBED TO DEATH IN MATRIX 4
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or where is rob dougan in general
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Hah
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I laughed internally at that jazzed up version of Spybreak at the beginning
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:12
there was spybreak in the beginning?
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Yes
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:12
I didn't hear it for sure
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Not sure if a spoiler but apologies if is
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Only thing other than a few motifs that I recognized
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:12
the only things I heard were:
  • a few cues of the matrix ost in some scenes (notably when Smith and Neo are fighting)
  • the atrocious cover of "Wake Up"
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Ah, yeeeeah. Was a bit wonk
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But I think moreso meant for, well. THAT is definitely a spoiler
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:13
btw, this might be a hot take, but I always preferred Furious Angels to Clubbed to Death
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SAME
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Ah, yeeeeah. Was a bit wonk
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:14
what do you think was the best and worst thing about this movie?
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bonus question : and the oddest thing?
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Hmmm
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:15
make sure to use spoilers if necessary
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Not really and best/worst things for me other than it adding more to the story and respecting everything that has been canon up to this point
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:15
lmao you what
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did I read that right
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almost
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:16
I was going to say the worst part is the retconning
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The best part being the cinematography and editing, finally a modern movie that looks good
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and doesn't cut every 2 seconds with dumb shots
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The oddest part was easily : wtf does the merovingian do here? pointless and dumb cameo
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Always a reason, always a purpose.
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I stopped questioning the Wachowskis once I rediscovered so much of the meaning ever single time I watched the films.
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:19
but this movie isn't the wachowskis
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Which, one I had felt was pretty much what they meant was solidified with that most recent interview.
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Lana?
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:19
yes
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only one
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Still half
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Still half
LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:19
did you not see the movie lmao
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the one is both neo and trinity, one is nothing without the other
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same for Wachowski
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How do you know for certain it would've been any better or worse if both had worked on it?
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LordJackson 30.12.2021. 6:23
well by looking at the other matrix films
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the real matrix 4
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Pater Witkap 30.12.2021. 17:28
Bugs is the most popular character going off the last matrix movie if we look at the sunglass sales
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i hate those sunglasses so much because they are right in the middle of the eyes in most of the scenes
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 30.12.2021. 18:32
Agent glasses are the worst tbh
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I’ll keep my gatorz
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GeneralZod 31.12.2021. 7:51
matrix one sucked but i love the new one tbh
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so glad hugo weaving didn't return as agent smith, he was such a bad actor
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so glad hugo weaving didn't return as agent smith, he was such a bad actor
TheAnimator 31.12.2021. 8:46
Wow thats the first I read that didn't like any of the first and liked the new one!! May I ask what you thought of it?
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so glad hugo weaving didn't return as agent smith, he was such a bad actor
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 31.12.2021. 15:15
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 15:54
obviously "bad" is an acronym in this case. it stands for "Best Antagonist (to) Date"
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 16:01
okay but since were talking controversial opinions
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to the person talking about green tint, green in the script was called phosphorus, another name for lucifer, or venus [castina]. or could be a reference to green language - alchemy, birds, toth.
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 16:02
to all fans of merv and the other exiles: whats the appeal?
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Deleted User 31.12.2021. 16:03
his wife
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nuff said (edited)
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He is a snazzy dresser
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But Persephone is the main attraction probably
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 16:04
to me personally he was just a more or less random prick with not much backstory. you know a guy who was just there, same as his entourage. i always had that feeling of "who the fuck is he and why is he there", kinda like an extra with a bit more dialogue. so im curious about other points of view on that matter
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aint even hostile, i just never really got it
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Also love the keanu + monica bellucci connection, both were in Bram Stoker's Dracula
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and i never noticed until yesterday, but orange-fire bane in m3 was Ian Bliss, I Bliss. in the Quran, the devil was a fire djinn named Iblis
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zenconnection 31.12.2021. 16:16
Merv represents the faction of programs that also rebel against the system, I think that's a really interesting wrinkle to the world. I agree the concept was fairly underutilized (which is part of why Merv's scene in 4 was a letdown for me), but I think it still effectively emphasizes the grayer (as in less black & white) world that the second movie is introducing us to. I also just think the scene in Le Vrai is really good. Merv mocking the crew for just following the Oracle's orders because he actually is aware of the cycle of the One was great, and was a good way of displaying his cause and effect worldview.
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 16:37
i get the rebel against the system part but thats also something you didnt see a lot of. mostly the "rebellion" was just being there, making life harder for morpheus and trinity, which, considering the path of the one, probably works. one could also see the stereotypical rich kids in them who try to be so alternative because its cool and whose rebellion only consists of extreme shallowness
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so yeah the not-being-fleshed-out thing possibly underlines the vapidness of these chars
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even though id still argue it hurt the film as a whole
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zenconnection 31.12.2021. 16:38
there's definitely a clear element of hedonism with them, thats for sure
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other exiles that arent aligned with Merv tend to be more mindful of others / helpful to Neo (Seraph if he counts, Keymaker)
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 16:40
if you think subcultures. there are for example true punks who live the lifestyle and fashion punks who only dress up that way without having much of the punk mentality
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in this comparison the redpills equal the true punks and mervs entourage equals the fashion folks
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Merv is a mob boss mixed with a Bond villain
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Pretty simple character, really (edited)
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He represents the underworld, he’s based on Hades who stole Persephone and took her to hell in the Greek mythology
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He’s basically the devil
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The Matrix Online revealed that he was the operating system for the second Matrix
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And a lot of people think he was replaced by The Oracle and probably exiled with Persephone for love around that time (edited)
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Hence why he hates the Oracle
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But it’s a lot of speculation
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zenconnection 31.12.2021. 17:16
I've never played or explored MxO lore, but the notion of seeing The Oracle as the replacement of the Merovingian definitely has always made parts of his character and motivation clearer to me. He truly resents her idea of adding choice because he fundamentally disagrees with it - but the "suits" nonetheless went with her and deleted him. Plus he's extremely jealous of her "sight"
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Totally
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The only reference to him being an OS in MxO was on The Kid’s blog
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“There's no reason a sun-controlling program should look like a little girl. Or an operating system seem to be a sybaritic French gangster.”
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Another theory I have is about Persephone. I feel like she opened the doors for a program like The Oracle to exist by trying to understand love between humans
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So in a way, The Oracle replaced both Merv and Persephone
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The biggest proof that both Merv and The Oracle are both OS is that they want to know everything about everything (“It is my business to know” could work for both characters). A program that traffics information between programs is a possible definition of an operating system.
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(Or I’m just bad at computers as usual)
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Another reason Merv hates The Oracle is probably the fact that she took Seraph away from him
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LordJackson 31.12.2021. 17:54
ok wild theory moment
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(if we disregard "animatrix" and a few lore details) Matrix is a sequel to Terminator
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since the machines realised when they killed (almost) all humans, that without humans the can't exist, they took them and harvested them for energy/CPU power
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and the Matrix is just a necessary "application" to make Humans productive
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 18:00
which would make john connor either the first "one" or at least the guy who told the machines "dont kill us, put us in a simulation instead"
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LordJackson 31.12.2021. 18:01
Um
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not really
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if anything, he'd be the first Morpheus (edited)
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(if we disregard "animatrix" and a few lore details) Matrix is a sequel to Terminator
Neomatrixology 31.12.2021. 18:33
Disregarding the Animatrix is not necessary, we were crossing over Terminatrix in Mxo back in 2005 before it was cool: https://youtu.be/JXWW2_1dAPU
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Neomatrixology
Disregarding the Animatrix is not necessary, we were crossing over Terminatrix in Mxo back in 2005 before it was cool: https://youtu.be/JXWW2_1dAPU
LordJackson 31.12.2021. 18:37
but in animatrix you have second reneaissance
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also damn, early machinimas
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I miss them
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which would make john connor either the first "one" or at least the guy who told the machines "dont kill us, put us in a simulation instead"
Neomatrixology 31.12.2021. 18:40
John Connor remains John Connor in that time line. The Matrix timeline picks up in the alternate ending version of T2 where Sarah Connor successfully defeated skynet. The 2nd Renaissance happens several decades after that. The same concept of a split timeline as a result of time travel was described as a "Nexus point" in Terminator Genisys which came out years after the Matrix online was shut down..they did something similar in Dark fate as well & now the MCU won't stop doing it which is kind of annoying. It was cool at first anyway (edited)
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 18:43
this is actually a great way to connect the two
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without sacrificing too much lore
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Neomatrixology 31.12.2021. 18:44
Ya we had, a lot of fun..I enjoyed our role play more than the actual mxo storyline stuff tbh
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 18:46
so basically skynet in its apocalyptic form never existed, if based on the alternate ending of t2, and thus humanity has no reason to discontinue AI research, ultimately ending up with another apocalyptic AI event
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so basically skynet in its apocalyptic form never existed, if based on the alternate ending of t2, and thus humanity has no reason to discontinue AI research, ultimately ending up with another apocalyptic AI event
LordJackson 31.12.2021. 18:50
yeah no the real ending is T3
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Look at what the world looks like
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grey dark clouds
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mostly wastelands
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the only major inconsistency would be the buildings still standing up (although in ruins)
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 18:53
if you disregard animatrix, yes
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Neomatrixology 31.12.2021. 19:02
You guys are very close but you're leaving out the alternate time line or Nexus point . Not sure if you've seen Terminator Genisys but they explained it well. There's T1, then the T2 ending most people saw which allows T3, T4, T5. That's the original time line. Then you have T1 & T2 with the alternate directors cut ending where Sarah Connor lives to be an old woman & sees that judgement day doesn't happen, at least not the way or on the time & date Kyle Reese described, which sets up the 2nd Renaissance several decades after that. Literally nothing has to be changed in that scenario. Then you have whatever garbage they made up in Terminator Dark Fate where after T2 A different Terminator comes back & successfully killed teenage John Connor in the first 3 minutes of the movie In the MCU you have multiverse. The way we explained it in 2005, is that each time there is a time travel event into the past, the reality splits, which allows the continuation of the two different sets of events. By splitting realities the timeline becomes non-linear... like a new Y intersection on that time line. In Genisys I believe they defined a Nexus Point as an event of great importance, ie judgment day, Kyle Reese traveling back in time to father John Connor creating the John Connor paradox etc (edited)
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 19:08
so in one timeline skynet is defeated by sarah and john destroying the t-1000 and all traces of terminator tech in dysons lab and in the t-800, thus humans keep working on AI, leading to the 2nd renaissance. in another timeline judgment day is just postponed (see t3) and connor ends up as the resistance leader we see in t4 who ultimately leads humans to the promised victory. then theres yet another timeline where connor is machine-ified and returns to our time. and then....theres whatever the fuck happened in dark fate
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did i get that somewhat right?
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David T. Gregory
so in one timeline skynet is defeated by sarah and john destroying the t-1000 and all traces of terminator tech in dysons lab and in the t-800, thus humans keep working on AI, leading to the 2nd renaissance. in another timeline judgment day is just postponed (see t3) and connor ends up as the resistance leader we see in t4 who ultimately leads humans to the promised victory. then theres yet another timeline where connor is machine-ified and returns to our time. and then....theres whatever the fuck happened in dark fate
Neomatrixology 31.12.2021. 19:09
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 19:11
personally, aside from any sci-fi lore i believe theres only one timeline that cant be changed retroactively
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for example: if there was anyone sent out to kill hitler, they failed
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and there wont be anyone else besides them trying, if there even was anyone
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My theory is that our timeline doesn't change, but say a time traveler travels back in time and kills Hitler. That spawns a new timeline where things play out differently.
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Each choice spawns a new timeline
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David T. Gregory 31.12.2021. 19:18
ive heard about theories that there are several more dimensions; in that context itd make sense
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a 4th dimensional observer being able to move back and forth in time
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a 5th dimensional observer being able to use alternate paths, just like a 6th+ dimensional observer, but from an ever growing starting point
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im not sure though if i can believe in it
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David T. Gregory
im not sure though if i can believe in it
TheAnimator 31.12.2021. 21:02
But sounds accurate and a total mindblown
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You guys are very close but you're leaving out the alternate time line or Nexus point . Not sure if you've seen Terminator Genisys but they explained it well. There's T1, then the T2 ending most people saw which allows T3, T4, T5. That's the original time line. Then you have T1 & T2 with the alternate directors cut ending where Sarah Connor lives to be an old woman & sees that judgement day doesn't happen, at least not the way or on the time & date Kyle Reese described, which sets up the 2nd Renaissance several decades after that. Literally nothing has to be changed in that scenario. Then you have whatever garbage they made up in Terminator Dark Fate where after T2 A different Terminator comes back & successfully killed teenage John Connor in the first 3 minutes of the movie In the MCU you have multiverse. The way we explained it in 2005, is that each time there is a time travel event into the past, the reality splits, which allows the continuation of the two different sets of events. By splitting realities the timeline becomes non-linear... like a new Y intersection on that time line. In Genisys I believe they defined a Nexus Point as an event of great importance, ie judgment day, Kyle Reese traveling back in time to father John Connor creating the John Connor paradox etc (edited)
LordJackson 31.12.2021. 23:58
Terminator Genisys is a shit load of fuck
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inb4 new producer
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@Deleted User I’ve read another article in which the CEO of Warner Bros directly stated that they would like to make a fifth film
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@Deleted User I’ve read another article in which the CEO of Warner Bros directly stated that they would like to make a fifth film
Deleted User 1.1.2022. 7:37
Yeah, WB has already stated that they want they approved a sequel back when Dune hit theaters
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Bandit.iso 1.1.2022. 9:18
guess we will find out in 3 years
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LordJackson
ok wild theory moment
☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 1.1.2022. 18:25
Its not a wild theory, its 100% true that The Matrix is the sequel to the Terminator films and based off a book called 'the third eye'. Maybe no one is aware that both of those franchises were based off of one persons work, a lady named Sophia Stewart. Her work was stolen and she was never given credit. She then launches an FBI investigation into the criminal copyright infringement of her work. This link will give you all the details. https://www.bongminesentertainment.com/sophia-stewart-matrix-exposed/
Sophia Stewart exposes Hollywood elites for stealing her creative works.
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again with this urban legend/misconception/conspiracy theory (edited)
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again with this urban legend/misconception/conspiracy theory (edited)
☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 1.1.2022. 18:38
Well see owns the copyrights for both franchises so dont think its an urban legend. Did you even look at any of the info on the link?
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its all misinformation and the "books" she published on amazon are clearly a scam joke
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Ugh, this shit again
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☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 1.1.2022. 18:49
She sure makes a good case for herself in the interview on that site. She has plenty of details to support her case, so why make it up and pursue legal action if you dont have a case? Just doesnt make sense.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 1.1.2022. 18:50
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Neomatrixology had a decent video on this
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☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆ 1.1.2022. 18:56
I will check that out for sure.
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So much of this stems from some college student mistakenly printing that she won her lawsuit or something. It was completely false. But it gets cited nonetheless
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A zombie lawsuit that was dismissed in 2004 continues to be touted as an ongoing court case or an underdog victory.
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There was another article I can’t find anymore where a guy tried to get in touch with her and after a while she started cursing at him and calling him a lot of words I will not use here. She seems a bit unstable. (edited)
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That's the one I was just looking for
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Neomatrixology cited that one too
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As soon as dude questioned her, she went full vitriol
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anti-semitic slurs too!
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A look at how Sophia Stewart took advantage of the Black internet, in order to get people to believe that she wrote The Matrix.
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They're both black, and she was throwing around some uncle tom type slurs or something
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There it is
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That's the one
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☆𝓑𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓡𝓲𝓫𝓫𝓸𝓷𝓼☆
Its not a wild theory, its 100% true that The Matrix is the sequel to the Terminator films and based off a book called 'the third eye'. Maybe no one is aware that both of those franchises were based off of one persons work, a lady named Sophia Stewart. Her work was stolen and she was never given credit. She then launches an FBI investigation into the criminal copyright infringement of her work. This link will give you all the details. https://www.bongminesentertainment.com/sophia-stewart-matrix-exposed/
deja dead 1.1.2022. 19:01
listen, I actually read this a few years ago because, though it sounds ridiculous, I needed to know the truth. and the truth is, very clearly, that this is total bullshit haha
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Dude, this was complete bullshit like 16 years ago
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This story comes back every couple of months around here so we’re a bit tired of it haha
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I have no idea why this is still a thing
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Some talentless hack 'wrote' some thing. Some other thing became wildly successful. Delusional hack then sued for billions
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This story comes back every couple of months around here so we’re a bit tired of it haha
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gotcha well its not a rehash for me but I appreciate getting the low down.
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There are legit examples of this kind of thing happening though, like the twilight zone episode 'The Traveller' (I think that's the title). James Cameron was a huge Twilight Zone fan and ripped off the intro and the main concept for The Terminator
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They settled out of court (edited)
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Oh yeah same in music. George Harrison stole My Sweet Lord
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Big difference here is the material was stolen from a talented person who actually created something
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I've never read Stewart's work, but everyone who has said it's complete trash, and doesn't resemble The Matrix or The Terminator at all
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The reviews on Amazon are something else
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Well, when you're a miserable failure, it's time for plan B. Grab on to someone else's success
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I've never read Stewart's work, but everyone who has said it's complete trash, and doesn't resemble The Matrix or The Terminator at all
from the Amazon reviews literally the only thing that could potentially have been stolen for Terminator was one character saying "We'll be back"
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it's farcical
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lolol I forgot about that part @Vivian
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Nobody's ever said that in any work ever
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Warner should have countersued her ass for using that Mother of the Matrix name
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And if they did, they owe Sophia Stewart HARD
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Fuck, every time I left a party to get beer with friends and said 'We'll be back' I should have written her a check
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Crap, now I'm in debt
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tbh they probably just let her go because countersuing would just give her the attention she clearly craves
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You guys saw her stupid picture with the novelty Academy Award, standing in front of the tourist attraction right?
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yes
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DOUCHE. CHILLS.
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yes, insane scammers
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yeah but the domain has the word TRUTH in it
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IT HAS TO BE TRUE
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The brainworm level in her Twitter answers holy shit
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Was it a dream, or in that article with the dude that interviewed her, did she call him a "house ni**a" or something?
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Yeah she did
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wow
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She seems nice
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I’m holding a fake World Cup that symbolize the fact that France won it so it belongs to me (edited)
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How many haters and how many die hard supporters do you need? Like what's the ratio?
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I dunno what team I should pick
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For optimum controversy
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I think she’s got way more die hard followers than haters. People who know the truth kind of just ignore her
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But there is a big lack of actual big article debunking the whole thing
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When you search her name it’s a bunch of articles telling her lies (edited)
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Exactomundo. The people who know it's complete bullshit don't fucking care.
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The only people writing anything about it are fucking lunatics
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IT'S A VAST CONSPIRACY!
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Well, lunatics or trolls lol
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I'm all about trolls, but man, there's the unethical troll that does real damage
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If she owned The Matrix copyright, why would WB still own it and Lana still working on it?
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It makes zero logical sense
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It's because the lizard people run the shadow government!!!
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“Ah yes I own the thing and the people who stole it from me can still work on it”
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It appears writer Thomas Althouse took the red pill this week, or rather was force-fed a red pill and told to go on about his day. Last year, Althouse took Warner Bros., Andy and Lana Wachowski, and Joel Silver to court, alleging the filmmaking siblings ripped off his unproduced screenplay The Immortals with The Matrix … Continue reading "The Ma...
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Remember this guy?
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The other dude lol
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The gruesome twosome
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At least though, Stewart has absolutely NOTHING to go on. And she's a lying sack of shit.
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This guy read WAY too far into the movie to see his own creation that wasn't there
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(giving him the benefit of the doubt, BIGTIME)
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Visionary
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VISIONARY
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nvm
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lol
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On a less shit-talking note, I was glad to hear (non-spoiler) that in Resurrections, they continued the tradition of transposing the Reflections theme a half step higher with each subsequent film. That was cool (edited)
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The Don Davis Reflections theme when you see the WB logo
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I can only remember two old themes being used in Resurrections: this one and the one when Neo fights Smith (edited)
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I was surprised that the Trinity/Neo theme wasn’t used
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It's the same way all Matrix films begin, it's called the Reflections theme
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Yeah I know
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oh lol
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I’ve been here for 22 years
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Misread you, sorry
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Stupid text
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It's the same way all Matrix films begin, it's called the Reflections theme
Metalogic 1.1.2022. 19:31
Is that the horns that we hear at the beginning?
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Yes
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It’s okay I’m not a native English speaker so sometimes it gets confusing
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The low horns, half note I think, followed by the high horns, same duration
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Metalogic 1.1.2022. 19:33
Love that horn segment, gets me pumped for the film ahead
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@Metalogic In the first film they're played in one key (I can't recall which). In Reloaded, it's a half step higher. Revolutions, a half step higher than that. Resurrections, a half step higher than that.
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If they keep making more movies, they're gonna have to play them on synths lol
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Metalogic 1.1.2022. 19:34
Hahaha
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The only time the soundtrack was good
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Metalogic 1.1.2022. 19:35
I wonder which horns they used
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Brass is not my strong point. I would guess the low chords are likely french horns and trombones possibly, and the higher chords are trumpets and... oh what the fuck are they called... Coronet?
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I could be way off
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Now THAT'S a porn name
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D Davis
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just drop the 'on'
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Rob D and D Davis
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I still think 'Dick Nasty' has got to be the #1 best male porn name ever
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Paul Thomas Anderson ftw
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That guy is a fucking genius
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Licorice Pizza is finally coming out soon here can’t wait
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i like that the conductor is wearing the neo coat while also looking like the Sopranoes dude (edited)
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Yeah that’s a nice touch
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Metalogic 1.1.2022. 19:45
I just love orchestral pieces.
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sincerelyreuben 1.1.2022. 20:45
Has there ever been a Japanese dub recorded for the films? If so, where could I watch them?
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Japan?
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deja dead 2.1.2022. 1:42
So you’re a fan of The Matrix? Have we got the job for you! We’ll pay you $1,000 to watch all four of The Matrix movies. Apply now!
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deja dead 2.1.2022. 1:43
easiest money of all time if one of us gets selected lol
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Metalogic 2.1.2022. 1:44
lol
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Welp, I applied. I won't get the job but who knows
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TWEET ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT IT
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they'll probably select some influencer
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Metalogic 2.1.2022. 1:49
Most likely, they asked for all my social media account
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But hey, $1,000 is $1,000
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deja dead 2.1.2022. 1:50
for real
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 2.1.2022. 1:51
Aw shit, I have zero social media presence. In fact, I do not exist lolfacematrix They definitely want big tubers to speak about the movies in detail. (edited)
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Metalogic 2.1.2022. 1:52
Clearly they should spend a day in our Discord, so that they'll know that we are the most qualified for the job.
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Oh this could be my time to shine…
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The Dream Job contest is open only to legal residents of the 50 United States
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god dammit
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I have no idea why this is still a thing
an in-joke for gnostics, sophia created yaldabaoth
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https://www.echevarria.io/blog/the-matrix-looks-different-hulu-hbo-max/index.html ugh they are using the HDR version as default on this service
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.1.2022. 23:28
Jesus, they cranked up hdr up to 11 there didn't they. Good lord thats bright.
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its the same difference between the original bluray and the HDR bluray
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i hate the overexposure of the hdr bluray
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 3.1.2022. 23:31
I've actually got the opportunity to see the hbomax version and I knew something was wrong, that everything was too bright.
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Hey guys. I want to watch soon a Matrix Marathon with my mother, since I've so less time with my 3 kids for her and she is a fan, too. In which order do you think shall I watch the movies? I thought about a timeline like this: 1. The Second Renaissance 1+2 2. Matriculated 3. World Record 4. A detective Story 5. Matrix 6. Program (maybe a training program made to prevent a new cypher guy) 7. Beyond (since the glitches may happen after Neos influence on the matrix) 8. Kids Story 9. Final Flight of the Osiris 10. Matrix Reloaded 11. Matrix Revolutions
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I'd also squeeze in the live action scenes from enter the matrix, say, between Reloaded and Revolutions
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Hm... I only have them in english. I'll check out if I find a way to watch them on her Tv.
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The only right order is Matrix>Animatrix>Reloaded>Revolutions>Resurrections
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She needs to see the first one before she can care about Animatrix
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You can’t start with Second Renaissance it would ruin Morpheus’ revelations in the first movie (edited)
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It’s like starting with Phantom Menace as a first viewing, big no (edited)
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^^ She already saw all 3 Matrix movies. Morpheus cannot open her eyes anymore. But she does not know Animatrix. So I thought it would be cool to start up the whole stuff in the right order.
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I have to wait for ressurections until summer. 😢
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zenconnection 4.1.2022. 15:27
speaking of animatrix, uhhh, have you guys seen this? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15822832/ its apparently listed on john gaeta's linkedin as well. maybe machine civil war animatrix isn't just a daydream of ours??? (who knows though, imdb also picked up Kid as appearing in M4 so this could have been being developed and dropped for all we know)
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Here's hoping
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.1.2022. 18:52
That was the day Morpheus's faith has been seriously shaken.
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Deleted User 4.1.2022. 20:51
i wanna watch this so bad, it looks soooo good ✨ i would’ve gone nuts if i watched it when it came out (i was a little kid then)
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they were so cute
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.1.2022. 20:59
They do indeed look great together.
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Deleted User 4.1.2022. 20:59
it’s so funny because in my neighborhood there is a couple who work in a computer shop since years ago and they look like Neo and Trinity SO MUCH, it’s crazy
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Copies of Animatrix DVD are ~$5 all day on ebay, totally worth it
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Cavalcante (MHP) 5.1.2022. 1:59
Am i crazy or does using humans as a resource makes actually some sense? Just like in agriculture we give animals a source of energy that we cant use (grass, food in general in case of rhe machines) and get a form of energy we CAN use (meat, or for the machines, literal power) (edited)
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Yes, you can only get back the energy you put in, but it doesnt matter if you cant efficiently use the energy you are putting in (again, machines cant use food)
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Like, it's imperfect, but for however the machines really convert n use energy for themselves, it works for their "physiology" (edited)
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And also in the context that the machines wanted to keep humanity around, either from necessity or some weird form of compassion for their creators.
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I think it would have been cooler if instead of using them for raw electrical power, they used them for processing power because of their neural connections
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But probably more difficult to explain in a movie
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It can be both in our hearts
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#m4-spoilers please
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Deleted User 6.1.2022. 0:35
Sorry
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np, thanks (edited)
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cringe meme i found
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Deleted User 6.1.2022. 14:22
literally Neo
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it’s so funny because in my neighborhood there is a couple who work in a computer shop since years ago and they look like Neo and Trinity SO MUCH, it’s crazy
ask them to take a picture and upload it here
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Deleted User 6.1.2022. 16:28
LMAO
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i wish!
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he was deleted so was supposed to return to the source but he chose not to
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the trainman takes them in and out of the matrix, which usually means some deal with merovingian
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zenconnection 6.1.2022. 17:22
The Oracle kind of implies that most programs don't have "bodies" unless they're doing something they're not supposed to be doing - so a program can exist without a physicality in the matrix. How precisely Hugo gets his old body back is a bit of a mystery though. That's an ability that maybe he got from Neo (even Smith seems unsure of it all in his reintroduction scene).
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Agents take over bluepills....so, if he wasnt deleted and retained his agent ability to do that, he just grabs another bluepill body (edited)
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he doesnt seem to be able to do that since reloaded
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once "neo set him free"
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only replicate
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zenconnection 6.1.2022. 18:06
yeah his body hopping seemed to be replaced with the assimilation power
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zenconnection 6.1.2022. 18:35
yeah, since he is no longer a part of the system, hes not gonna have the agent permissions anymore. but i guess since it was also part of his programming, he can repurpose that bit of code to assimilate humans and programs
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~ or something ~
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no, he got that from being the counter-balance to neo's power
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zenconnection 6.1.2022. 18:38
thats more on the thematic level though but yeah that is right too
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only replicate
Still fascinated with the fact that he took so long to figure out that he could inhabit the body of someone before them jacking out, i.e. Bane.
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zenconnection 6.1.2022. 19:32
that happened fairly early in reloaded i thought, it just didnt come to roost until much later. although i guess reloaded takes place ~6mo after Matrix 1 so thats still a while
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he doesnt seem to be able to do that since reloaded
We dont know that replicating replaced taking over a bluepill. He was never seen taking over more than 1 person at a time in M1. He used it to go viral. Maybe it was an additional buff he got from the new sunglasses lol
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Agents take over bluepills....so, if he wasnt deleted and retained his agent ability to do that, he just grabs another bluepill body (edited)
Cavalcante (MHP) 7.1.2022. 1:12
Dont think he can do that anymore as he "is no longer an agent of the system" and has no conection to the source
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For example he doesnt seem to still have the bullet dodging powers (execpt in ressurections but i dont know whats going on there) (edited)
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Deleted User 7.1.2022. 1:55
me on the way to my techno rave
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me on the way to my wife
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Hi people!!
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Really excited to be in this server, the matrix is my current obsession as a 16 year old I don't have many people to talk to
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 7.1.2022. 19:48
has there ver been an instance in the lore where someone took both pills?
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be on the fringe of the Matrix and Reality?
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Metalogic 7.1.2022. 19:49
No, because that's not the point of the pills. The pills are more symbolic than anything else.
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Well the red pill acts as a trace program to locate people in the power plants.
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I wonder if the blue pill does anything in particular, in the game Path of Neo, (that was written by the Wachoskis but I question it's legacy since we have a godzilla as a final boss) Neo got brought back to his room as if nothing ever happened
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Metalogic 7.1.2022. 22:47
Path of Neo isn't canon as far as I know
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Just watched the matrix the other day and Morpheus says if Neo takes the blue pill he’ll wake up in his bed and continue on with his life, so I assume it knocks you out and they take you back to where you live.
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That’s been the long standing assumption yes. MxO did add that the bluepillls actually block the reds tracking so someone can’t come back behind and either force or reoffer a red pill
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Really excited to be in this server, the matrix is my current obsession as a 16 year old I don't have many people to talk to
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welcome!! 💚
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Thankyou!
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I always saw the pills as some sort of brain stimulant. One woke you up, and one put you to sleep. As one of the previous replies says, Morpheus tells Neo that if he takes the blue pill he will wake up in his bed and remember nothing. Therefore, red pill wakes you up in the real world and puts your matrix body to sleep, and vice versa for the blue pill. That's just my take though
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Deleted User 8.1.2022. 3:23
i agree, i thought about it too, kinda 🤔 and how Neo’s “therapist” gives him the blue pills as antipsychotics in Resurrections (edited)
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Deleted User 8.1.2022. 13:07
@neotrix0Morpheus: The pill you took is part of a trace program. It’s designed to disrupt your input/output carrier signals so we can pinpoint your location.
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it’s so funny because in my neighborhood there is a couple who work in a computer shop since years ago and they look like Neo and Trinity SO MUCH, it’s crazy
Deleted User 8.1.2022. 16:08
yesterday, there was a guy at the cinema watching Resurrections whose face looked A LOT like Agent Smith’s, even the hair 🧍🏻‍♀️ i’m not exaggerating. he caught me looking at him like 👁👄👁
agent 4
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what if I told you
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what if I told you
Deleted User 8.1.2022. 16:10
OMG HAHAHA
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I don't know if it's been talked about here but there's a Brazilian guy called "Marcos Jeeves" is extremely similar to keanu reeves
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He was so successful in Brazil and at Warner Bros. who was invited to the premiere of the new movie Matrix lol
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you can find him on Instagram
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Woah. That is surprisingly close
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.1.2022. 22:28
Keanu Reeves cosplay 😄
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I liked the movie overall, it was not what I expected but I had fun
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They seriously screwed it with the combat and FX, could have pushed it a bit morre
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Kind of agree on the combat part, I wasn't big on the exile encounter unfortunately. Coulda been much cooler. I liked the Analysts modded "bullet time". I know folks didn't like the mixed frame rate/slow down effects. I liked it though, could be because of my enjoyment of older games with not so smooth animation that it didn't look particularly odd to me. (edited)
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I mean
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This movie was probably meant to make Matrix fans sorta happy with a "good" ending
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Considering it will be the last movie in series
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Look at what Lana did with Sense8's ending, you'll understand what I mean
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zenconnection 9.1.2022. 1:43
yeah i agree that the fights were the biggest let down, and i also agree with Beleos that i actually like the weird mixed framerate Analyst in the bike shop scene - i think it conveys how Neo is perceiving the interaction well and is suitably unsettling
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Keanu 'The One' Reeves 9.1.2022. 7:10
"Will Box Office Scuttle ‘Matrix’ Reboot Possibilities?" So they're thinking about it but need you guys to watch it on HBO Max please! https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/matrix-resurrection-sequels-1235071520/
Keanu Reeves only signed a one-picture deal, while Warner Bros.’ hopes to revive the franchise theatrically may rest on its overseas rollout.
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TheAnimator 9.1.2022. 9:41
Thats out of context
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watch the new matrix explained video
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Deleted User 9.1.2022. 18:06
i watched Animatrix finally and IT WAS SO GOOD 👀👀👀✨✨ but my only problem was why half of the girls were on their panties out of context??? like for what
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morpheus
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zenconnection 9.1.2022. 18:20
because anime of course
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just saw that Serena Williams Matrix commercial in full and ngl part of me really just actually wants to watch that as a full film
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would probably be the funniest and goofiest movie around
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In the post apocalypse, it's always casual friday
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Also I think it might be a visual callback to Alien/Ripley, grey tank top and skivvies
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because anime of course
Deleted User 9.1.2022. 20:56
yeah, i guess. “Final Flight of the Osiris” was my fave (the sexy beginning was so cringeworthy), along “Program”, “Beyond”, “A Detective Story” and “Matriculated” (panties again)
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MY BABY 🥺
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eh Osiris is by far the weakest of all the shorts, the Beyond/Detective Story/Matriculated streak is untouchable though
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yeah, i guess. “Final Flight of the Osiris” was my fave (the sexy beginning was so cringeworthy), along “Program”, “Beyond”, “A Detective Story” and “Matriculated” (panties again)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.1.2022. 20:59
Osiris is also my favorite
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Deleted User 9.1.2022. 20:59
yeah, it was the weakest, but the 3D animation and the character design were on point
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A Kid’s Story broke me
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.1.2022. 21:00
Broke you? It should have woke you up
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Deleted User 9.1.2022. 21:00
and the Second Renaissance is… oooofffff 😰 (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.1.2022. 21:00
Dan Davis was awesome.
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Deleted User 9.1.2022. 21:01
i felt so bad for the kid but relieved eventually, because he found Neo and Trinity 🥺❤️‍🩹
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zenconnection 9.1.2022. 21:04
2nd renaissaince, kids story, world record, and beyond are my faves fo sho
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Dan Davis was awesome.
Deleted User 9.1.2022. 21:04
god, World Record made me hate the agents so much
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👋 Does anyone know if Watchowski said anything about the bad reviews and comments the movie had?
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Elias
👋 Does anyone know if Watchowski said anything about the bad reviews and comments the movie had?
TheAnimator 9.1.2022. 23:25
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👋 Does anyone know if Watchowski said anything about the bad reviews and comments the movie had?
deja dead 10.1.2022. 0:11
she said it within the film itself
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TheAnimator 10.1.2022. 0:19
Anyone has a theory on how the little kid from the animatrix was captured by agents and plugged into the matrix? (edited)
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all the agents were inside the matrix....
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The scene reads more like a nightmare cutaway. Bits from different scenes melding into each other. Nuke goes off > nuclear winter > Child playing ruins > child in winter suburbs > child revealed to be in matrix >zoom out of the Zion database The kid wasn't really captured and dragged into the matrix, the kid was in the sim the whole time, its just how it's presented for the surreal narrative told by the Zion mainframe. The child could have seen the agents instead of their parents and felt the burning truth that they aren't in the real world and that's how it's shown visually? Super trippy metaphor (edited)
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zenconnection 10.1.2022. 2:18
Yeah I don't think that scene is super literal.
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TheAnimator 10.1.2022. 6:16
Great opinions!!! Yeah super metaphor, but i was always wondering how indeed the machines got everyone plugged (edited)
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It would have been interesting to see sentinels capturing everyone and then suddenly Paradise, the first version of the matrix.
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Deleted User 10.1.2022. 21:31
Yo I LOVE THIS SERIES
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I’m 21 years of age and I ain’t seen these films
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I’ve seen matrix 1 and 2 so far and god damn it’s so cool
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Neo when he talks with the architect man that was hype
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I thought the second was gonna be terrible after the neo trinity Zion party shit but it was great
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Agents fr getting they ass whooped now too
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I’m watching the third movie TONIGHT and I’m gonna go to the movies and see the 4th in a few days
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zenconnection 10.1.2022. 21:38
nice, will your name be M4 when you've watched them all? 👀 (kidding)
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Deleted User 11.1.2022. 1:15
Heh yeah
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Deleted User 11.1.2022. 17:04
damn
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Deleted User 11.1.2022. 21:11
Hm matrix 3 revolutions aint as good but I still enjoyed it, agent smith might be my fav 😳 (edited)
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Deleted User 12.1.2022. 5:08
if im gonna be honest
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the 3rd is my favorite
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Neo when he talks with the architect man that was hype
Deleted User 12.1.2022. 5:09
one of the best parts imo
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the 3rd is my favorite
deja dead 12.1.2022. 5:23
one of my favorite lines in the whole series is from the third movie. "...Make shells."
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Deleted User 12.1.2022. 5:27
Neo: I just have never... Rama-Kandra: ...heard a program speak of love? Neo: It's a... human emotion. Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies. I see that you are in love. Can you tell me what you would give to hold on to that connection? Neo: Anything. Rama-Kandra: Then perhaps the reason you're here is not so different from the reason I'm here.
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this one i like
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alot
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Deleted User 12.1.2022. 5:45
such a memorable one
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Deleted User 12.1.2022. 17:13
the three movies are memorable, to be honest (edited)
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power
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am i the only one who liked the White Rabbit scene from Resurrections?
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zenconnection 12.1.2022. 17:43
of course not, thats one of the new movie's best sequences
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i hear white rabbit, i like
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go ask alice, when she's ten feet tall
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Deleted User 12.1.2022. 21:09
The final fight is the best choreographed sequence In the matrix (edited)
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sincerelyreuben 12.1.2022. 23:08
I have a question ... What channel would be most appropriate to share stuff like merch and collectibles?
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Deleted User 12.1.2022. 23:45
I didnt really like revolutions that much
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Took a lot of the aspects that made the first 2 legendary and switched it up (edited)
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I slept through the zion conflict. Neos story makes sense but man I woulda loved it if the build up to that felt more fun
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I have a question ... What channel would be most appropriate to share stuff like merch and collectibles?
sincerelyreuben 13.1.2022. 20:36
... anyone, by chance know?
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I'd wager to say in this channel is close enough? Unless you're showing off the comics or games specifically?
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sincerelyreuben 13.1.2022. 21:24
Nope, so I'll post here!
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I have had this buddy for a year
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Or over a year, almost two I'd say
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And then these three I picked up just in this week
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Trinity was local and the other neo and Morpheus I picked up online for a really good deal, considering Morpheus is normally sold online nowadays for 150 usd
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And then I have this poster I got for free months ago and then the build a bear bear 😰
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the build-a-bear is legit
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nice collection
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sincerelyreuben 13.1.2022. 21:30
Thank you!!
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I plan on getting an agent Smith and the neo in the lobby
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Very cool! I've always felt hit or miss on the figures
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But I absolutely want a small swarm of sentinels though
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Back in high school I used to have the big ass hot toys sentinel hanging from my ceiling, that was cool
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sincerelyreuben 13.1.2022. 23:22
Amazing!
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It's a shame you can't see one under three digits on ebay
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I should hopped on a 70$ one I saw a couple months back, but my hobby money was on minis for Bolt Action at the timr
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Deleted User 13.1.2022. 23:46
Is neo a program?
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Is Zion another matrix?
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If he’s a program how can he be in the real world
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So it’s one or the other and people tell me different things
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As far as I know and can tell, Neo is human, but he does contain some code from the machine world within him. It is a piece of a program that allows for a safe reset of The Matrix.
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The addition of choice to The Matrix is what accumulates and causes the failure of the matrix. It seems that all of that anomalous leftover data is contained within the one and the program that is taken to the source to allow the Matrix to continue running.
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I'm probably explaining it poorly
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But between the architect and the Oracle, it gets explained
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:05
Is neo a program? Is Zion another matrix? No and No. (edited)
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Also, yeah. Zion is not another Matrix. It is the real world.
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But it is another layer/method of control
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Since some humans will inevitably reject the matrix and on top of that, fight against it, the human resistance is allowed to exist as a blow-off valve.
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And so Zion is "the last human city" by design. Other settlements are likely hunted down and destroyed so only Zion is left so clean up is easy when it's time to reset the matrix and b gin the cycle again
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"One sentinel for every man, woman, and child" is a flex
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:10
Hm yes but the movies aren’t concluded yet
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The matrix simply continues
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Oh yeah, you were doing a first watch of them, have you gotten thru revolutions yet?
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:13
I’ve seen the first 3
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So yeah the revolutions one
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At the end neos efforts form a truce with the machines
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But people are still in the matrix
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:16
Now they have the informed choice to either stay or leave though
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He got peace, yeah. But not the full freedom and destruction of the matrix like the (false prophecy).
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:16
Some prefer being in a virtual world and some do not
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Some prefer being in a virtual world and some do not
Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:17
Either way humans aren’t free
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So if you’re given a choice between two cells, 1 clean and artificial the other dirty and real, the choice has no stakes
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:18
Machines definitely still hold the power. But the Architect honors their agreement. People who want out can leave and won't be hunted.
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What is freedom? I think what you're asking is the sort of thing you're meant to ponder
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The paradox between choice and choicelessness
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Choice as represented by Neo and choicelessness as represented by Smith
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There's no endless aggression, and Zion isn't going to get wiped, that's a victory in comparison.
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:20
The cycle of the One and the systems of control it entails were abolished, definitely a victory
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:20
Hm Is the matrix still the machines energy source?
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That's getting into maybe watch m4 first territory. But the short version as of m3 is yes. Humans who stay connected will still be generating energy.
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:25
The Architect also mentions "there are levels of survival we are willing to accept", implying they have other power sources available. They just may not be as readily abundant atm
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:26
Imo in terms of lore revolutions seems okay but some things were missing about what made the first two fun
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The Architect also mentions "there are levels of survival we are willing to accept", implying they have other power sources available. They just may not be as readily abundant atm
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They could just kill humans when that happens
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They could just kill humans when that happens
zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:26
That's the threat the Architect is making when he says that line yes
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Rev is definitely the darkest of the four movies, not a lot of "fun" to be had when it's all out war 😄
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:27
Battles on Zion were hella boring
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:27
the imagery was great imo
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it's best to look at Reloaded and Revolutions as one movie in two parts though IMO
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together they make one balanced sequel to the first movie. Reloaded being way more Matrix centric with crazy kung fu and Rev being way more real world centric with heavier symbolism
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:28
CGI was great but man, those battles are good if I’m tryna go to sleep
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I didn’t like Morpheus seemed… less badass in a way
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:29
i really like Morpheus's arc but it's true he doesn't have much to do anymore in the third movie
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:30
Who even was that guy who took captain of the ship
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Surely it should be Morpheus in charge after everything
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:30
not sure what you're referring to
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:30
You know how Morpheus isn’t the captain anymore
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And it’s this random dude
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:31
Morpheus is always the captain of the Neb
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Neb gets destroyed at the end of Reloaded though
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:31
Damn
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Morpheus still shoulda been captain
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:32
I don't think Roland would have taken too kindly to that 😄
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:32
Battle with smith was cool
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zenconnection
I don't think Roland would have taken too kindly to that 😄
Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:32
Morpheus clearly better he needs to get his ass outa there
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:33
not sure what youre suggesting, Roland saved the Neb crew and is bringing them back to Zion
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 0:33
Like why ain’t Morpheus making any calls
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And where’s his dang glasses and trench coat, he took a backseat that whole film
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zenconnection 14.1.2022. 0:34
isnt he wearing those still when hes in the Matrix?
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he does take a back seat though, his arc is mostly done at that point
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Korē/Diedorot 14.1.2022. 4:27
Sometimes I’d just listen to it.
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thats the smallest movie player ive ever seen
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thats the smallest movie player ive ever seen
Korē/Diedorot 14.1.2022. 14:23
The closer you get the bigger it becomes.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.1.2022. 19:09
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Deleted User 14.1.2022. 22:52
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Inland Republic 15.1.2022. 15:25
Why do machines need this complicated system where is the one and Zion?
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Does anyone know if "Du hast" from Rammstein was part of the first Matrix? It was on the Soundtrack, but what is with the movie?
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It’s not.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 0:47
@flosha it was only used in some promotional work
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Same with the Deftones track, it was in the trailers/TV spots but not the movie (edited)
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 1:09
Any of you watch matrix explained?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 1:37
Yup
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 1:45
@TheAnimator nice lol. I used to donate to them until I got laid off. Now I trying to make a matrix explained discord
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Please don’t
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 1:57
Why not?@Gami
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What would be the purpose not to?
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I'm open to your input
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hello!
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 1:59
@Luna what's up?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 1:59
We already have a good matrix server here
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dont you think?
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my dad got me into the Matrix movies, and now i (gladly) can't get them out of my head
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:00
@TheAnimator yeah but a matrix server for matrix explained would be nice. Or a merger so that people from the channel could be directed here.
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:00
Hmmm interesting
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:01
I'm one for bringing about new connections of peace
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i think my favorite one is the 2nd one
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:01
That channel has a great community
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Luna
my dad got me into the Matrix movies, and now i (gladly) can't get them out of my head
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:01
Check animatrix!!!
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:01
I'd love to see them here
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what's that about?
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Luna
i think my favorite one is the 2nd one
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:01
My favorite is Revolutions
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:01
@Luna it's about why the matrix is what is it is
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Deleted User
I'd love to see them here
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:01
Would be good
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the one where Trinity dies???
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Luna
what's that about?
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:02
Say a prequel, and many things that are amazing to see, trust me.
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i sobbed for like, 5-10 minutes over her death
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:02
@TheAnimator I've been a long time subscriber. If I could get the server owners permission I'm sure I could make a connection
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I wouldn't inact anything without thr input to do so however
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@TheAnimator I've been a long time subscriber. If I could get the server owners permission I'm sure I could make a connection
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:02
Sadly im not a admin or owner, but you can talk to them 🙂
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I would be on board
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:02
@TheAnimator as I shall, in time.
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Luna
i sobbed for like, 5-10 minutes over her death
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:02
Its so well acted
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it's....heartbreaking
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:03
I'm huge studier of the matrix and a believer that it is somehow held in reality.
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Luna
it's....heartbreaking
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:03
One of the greatest deaths ive seen is captain mifune,
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Why not?@Gami
Because Matrix Explained is nothing but a click bait channel that steals other peoples theories and is frequently passing off wrong information about the franchise as fact. (edited)
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:03
blaze of glory all the way
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Deleted User
I'm huge studier of the matrix and a believer that it is somehow held in reality.
um, no
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my dad is exactly like that and it scares me
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:03
@Gami why do you belive that as such?
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I'm huge studier of the matrix and a believer that it is somehow held in reality.
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:04
Well there is a 50/50 chance we live in a mtrix
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"What if the Matrix is real?" gave me Nightmares for Days
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@Gami why do you belive that as such?
Because I’ve watched his content and have yet to find a single video that didn’t fuck up the material.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:05
@Gami honestly I disagree but I am fully aware of what you mean in that some of his topics I find disagreeable. However I've never found him to do anything that messed up the material. May I have an example of such?
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Luna
"What if the Matrix is real?" gave me Nightmares for Days
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:05
I truly believe we are in some way of matrix but to be honest, just like the analyst say, the more we manipulate you, the more energy you make. Why do you think we pay football players or actors tons of money? to keep us distracted, but we are not going to do anything to change it. The Matrix won.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:05
The matrix is of our own design
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Metalogic 18.1.2022. 2:05
We have #fansites-and-podcasts , #fan-films for promoting the work of the community. We really don't need a whole Discord Server for a YouTube channel.
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The matrix is of our own design
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:06
No, choice is an illusion created among those with power.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:06
@TheAnimator that was the old matrix.
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:06
You can be the master of your life, but not without following all the established rules.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:07
@TheAnimator the old matrix had these rules. I believe the current matrix has more chaos than order
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actually, Neo made a deal with the Computer: defeat Smith, and get peace. Lose....and Zion is destroyed
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:07
I believe chaos was what was missing from the simulation
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he won, and the computer kept its side of the deal
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:07
By the addition of chaos we can keep more people in pods
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Chaos is the natural order
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@Gami honestly I disagree but I am fully aware of what you mean in that some of his topics I find disagreeable. However I've never found him to do anything that messed up the material. May I have an example of such?
Yes, in his video on the “Architect’s secret” he asserts that the Oracle was created in the second version of the Matrix with zero supporting evidence. He also asserts that Zion is another layer of an artificial digital world which has never been the case. He thinks that Neo is the anomaly when the Architect directly states the opposite. That’s three major fuck ups out of one of his most popular videos.
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@TheAnimator the old matrix had these rules. I believe the current matrix has more chaos than order
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:07
Because Fear is the most powerful weapon of all, look around you, all this riots, war, deaths, viruses. It keeps us under control
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i disagree
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the only thing stronger than Fear is Love
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Yes, in his video on the “Architect’s secret” he asserts that the Oracle was created in the second version of the Matrix with zero supporting evidence. He also asserts that Zion is another layer of an artificial digital world which has never been the case. He thinks that Neo is the anomaly when the Architect directly states the opposite. That’s three major fuck ups out of one of his most popular videos.
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:08
Technically she was created before the third iteration
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Luna
the only thing stronger than Fear is Love
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:08
And how does love make you succeed in this matrix?
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Look at Neo and Trinity
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:08
@Gami well honestly in those videos he's stated it as theory. He discusses popular theory submitted by the audience. He's done my theories and questions numerous times.
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one can't live without the other
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they are halves of a whole
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:09
just like Rama said, love is a word what matters is what we give to it
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love is a chemichal reaction
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:09
I'll brb guise
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i disagree again
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:09
Gotta go to store to grab some red pill
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Lulz
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it's an emotion
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:09
Whats an emotion?
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Gotta go to store to grab some red pill
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:09
Lol stay blue haha
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:10
@TheAnimator lol if ever offered the choice I would certainly take both pills
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Love is both a feeling and an emotion
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:10
The curiosity in me demands the knowledge
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@TheAnimator lol if ever offered the choice I would certainly take both pills
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:10
I was never clear on the yellow pills, what would that change?
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:10
@TheAnimator Yellow? When were there yellow ones? Lol
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never
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Luna
Love is both a feeling and an emotion
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:11
Indeed but still a chemical reaction, and yes neo and trinity are literally the best example of love never dies.
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@TheAnimator Yellow? When were there yellow ones? Lol
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:11
Supposedly when you take 2
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:11
Red and blue would create a purple pill
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no, Neo and Trinity are the example that Love is stronger than Fear
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:11
Would it not?
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their love made it possible to do the impossible
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Luna
no, Neo and Trinity are the example that Love is stronger than Fear
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:12
In fiction yes love is stronger than fear, in this world just look at covid, FEAR.
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i still believe Love is the strongest of them all
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:13
Love is stronger than fear otherwise life would not sustain @TheAnimator
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especially when it comes to families
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:13
Oh yes love is strong, but sometimes makes you look weak
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it does not
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:13
And to that I ask what is weakness?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:13
Sad thing is that i believe the matrix won in this iteration hahah
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:13
Is it physical?
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Emotional?
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Mental?
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Weakness is to the eye of the beholder
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Weakness is but an idea man made to inact a sense of superiority
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There is no weakness
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i agree
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:14
Only strength and lack of fortitude (edited)
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wait, what?
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Deleted User
Weakness is to the eye of the beholder
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:15
I agree.
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@Gami well honestly in those videos he's stated it as theory. He discusses popular theory submitted by the audience. He's done my theories and questions numerous times.
Then he should name himself Matrix Theory and not explained.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:15
@Gami I feel this is based in an opinion.
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Gami
Then he should name himself Matrix Theory and not explained.
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:16
He also explains some of the comics
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@TheAnimator you can't honestly say that Neo and Trinity's love is any less than true love
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It’s based off a channel that prompts shit ideas and bad info
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Luna
@TheAnimator you can't honestly say that Neo and Trinity's love is any less than true love
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:16
No i dont
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The were meant
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it's their greatest strength
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they believe in each other
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so what makes it weakness?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:18
love makes you blind, take for example the girls that ¨love¨and just manipulate someone
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not always
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I'm a girl, FYI
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:18
Yea not always
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And im talking in general
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 2:19
@Gami I don't see where this dislike comes from lol
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so you're generalizing women
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:19
Yup
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lol
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that's...sexist
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and wrong
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:19
We are talking about a fictional universe lol ¬¬
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doesn't matter
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:20
You can't deny that a lot of women use love and sex for manipulation of the love that someone gives
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not everyone
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not you
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not me
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i do deny it
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:20
Welp
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lets agree to disagree
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why don't you just stop being sexist?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:21
Im not sexist haha
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you generalized women
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:21
Well i was trying to have an argument but i guess its over.
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and people wonder why i'm still single....
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:22
We are discussing love in a movie and the chance of being in a simulation
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Not why you are single hahah
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i'd say there's a 100% chance of it happening
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:23
So just move on... and im sorry if i offended you. I agree love is strong as it is weak, it depends on how you change the world with it
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Luna
i'd say there's a 100% chance of it happening
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:23
Any particular reason?
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simple: i believe in True Love. i believe no matter who you are, or where you are, you can find love. maybe not as exceptional as Neo and Trinity (they were seriously special), but somewhat close to their level of love
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:25
With that i agree
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but lets agree that some times many people both men and women use love sometimes as a way to manipulate someone, finding that kind of love like neo and trinity is very rare
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no, it's not
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it's uncommon but not very rare
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i never thought my BFF would fall for someone that's the total opposite in what she likes, but she did, and he's awesome. Then they got engaged, then married.
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:28
Here's to them never getting a divorce merv
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i know my BFF, and i know her heart. she wouldn't give it thoughtlessly away.
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i believe what her and her husband have is true love
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am i happy for them? Yes. am i also crazy jealous? also Yes.
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:30
Well... good for them?
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And also jealousy is the worst.... be happy with the chance of being happy as you are now
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umm what?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:31
Enjoy today.
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thats what i meant
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i'd rather enjoy the thought of the Matrix being real outta my head
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that terrifies me
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Luna
i'd rather enjoy the thought of the Matrix being real outta my head
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:32
Oh im sure most of us do!
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Luna
that terrifies me
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:32
If given the chance would you go for the redpill then? (edited)
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"Happy place, Happy Place, Matrix doesn't exist"
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although Neo does look H-O-T HOT with those sunglasses
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i have a crush on him, sue me
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:37
Keanu is love.
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also Neo's "I-don't-give-a-crap" attitude is something i love
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all he had to do after destroying Smith in the first movie was look at the other 2 guards, and they ran
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totally priceless
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like, "Who's next?"
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:40
I wonder what would have happened if Neo didnt get inside smith, his code copied over his...
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......i'm not going to think anything negative about Neo
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nope, not happening
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why did Neo die in Revelations anyway? was it the effort of truly destroying Smith?
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i actually thought he was just unconscious until i Googled it
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anyone know?
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like, was it ever explained why Neo died?
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Luna
......i'm not going to think anything negative about Neo
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:50
Its not negative... lol
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but smith said it, part of his code copied
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Luna
why did Neo die in Revelations anyway? was it the effort of truly destroying Smith?
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:50
Have you seen resurrections?
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it was kinda confusing
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Luna
i actually thought he was just unconscious until i Googled it
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:51
He was not unconscios, he died
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due to rebooting the matrix
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i found that out before I saw resurrections
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that he died
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and when exactly does it state why he died?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:52
because of his residual self image being destroyed, and rebooting the matrix is enough for his body, also also he didnt want to live anymore, he lost everything, his sacrifice calls to christ, he died for us (the people of the matrix?
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Luna
and when exactly does it state why he died?
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:53
When Deus Ex Machina destoyed smith
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didn't that giant Machine say "It is done"?
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then carry Neo's body away?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:53
That machine is Deus Ex Machina
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Luna
then carry Neo's body away?
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:54
Before resurrections his body was just carried away, in the movie. In matrix online it was revelaed he was alive
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so its confusing
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even so
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what the heck is Matrix Online?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:54
Lana said that the purpose of the films was for people to discuss them, and in the end you can believe what you like 🙂
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what the heck is Matrix Online?
TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:55
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seriously. i've never heard of it
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 2:55
Its an MMO with the matrix theme
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 3:13
I've returned
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Sup yooo
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How do you like my new name and avatar?
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the image took me...2 minutes to find
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 5:02
@Luna it is nice
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i figured if i were to love the Matrix movies, might as well prove it
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 5:24
@Luna I named my son neo
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I think I proved it lol
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And my son really is "the one" to me
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Did anyone have one of the official Warner Brother Coats from Neo or others? There was a time when you could just order them in dark scene shops here but nowadays I only find very cheap stuff and never see those orginals anywhere. :(
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Funny. Just after writing this, I found one and even in the right size..
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 19:17
@flosha isn't the matrix wonderful?
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@flosha isn't the matrix wonderful?
Indeed. But would prefer the Real World.
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Deleted User 18.1.2022. 19:20
@flosha I prefer the matrix but not for the traditional reasons
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@flosha I prefer the matrix but not for the traditional reasons
What are your reasons?
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TheAnimator 18.1.2022. 21:17
If you think about it The matrix is a prison of peace
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Is it? I thought that the Matrix made by the machines is not much different to our own world, that there is sickness and war and so forth, because that is what the humans expect/know/how they function etc.
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Oh? There were matrix merch coats?
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I would love to find one of Neos from reloaded
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Clean n classy
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I am confused, they didn’t assure that Mx4 was getting a sequel? (edited)
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zenconnection 19.1.2022. 1:39
nope and they weren't planning making more either while making 4
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consider it an epilogue to the trilogy. if they make more they make more but if they don't that's fine too
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nope and they weren't planning making more either while making 4
Deleted User 19.1.2022. 1:45
I am finding conflicting reports on Matrix 5. I know they had Zack Penn ready if Lana wasn’t willing to come back on
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zenconnection 19.1.2022. 1:46
Zak Penn was making a Morpheus prequel story so that wouldnt really be "Matrix 5" even if they do revive the project
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my take on the conflicting reports is: WB still wants to continue the series, but is still unsure how. if Lana and/or Lily says they have a story for Matrix 5 they wanna do, I bet WB would fund it, even though Matrix 4 disappointed especially financially. If neither Wachowski wants to make more, then WB has to decide what they wanna do with the franchise. Either way I don't think they're done with Matrix - they did all this to revive the franchise in a broad sense and renew interest. In that sense Matrix 4 succeeded. Now what they want is to capitalize on that with more movies, spinoffs, etc. But it's tricky because of a number of factors. You should also be aware there is apparently a new Animatrix project in the works. I think there's a very good chance that gets completed. Beyond that, who knows.
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I dont know how it is an epilogue for the trilogy when things literally get reset back to how they were in the Matrix 1.
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an epilogue would be the machines and humanity at peace rebuilding the world and living in co-existence, not the status quo continuing 60 years later.
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zenconnection 19.1.2022. 2:47
i mean, you literally do get that with Io, but think about it. it's a smaller stakes story, it takes place after all the main movement in the story has finished, it gives the two protagonists a happy ending, it recentres the franchise around what has always been at the core of it, it ending off on a similar note to matrix 1 actually supports the epilogue idea imo. but yeah i'm not saying it's a super traditional straight-up epilogue or anything, just that to me, from Lana's perspective, that seems to be the primary way to think of it. it also functions, from WB's perspective, as a place to begin anew. it works both ways.
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It is a trans analogy. it is transgood. It is a bad movie that identifies as a good one.
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IO is one city where SOME machines are helping humans.
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The majority of the Machines are still in 01 and have humanity enslaved.
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Two peoples happiness does not equal a good ending for the franchise.
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Metalogic 19.1.2022. 3:01
I think IO have the machines that lost the civil war.
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Silby # 3436 21.1.2022. 23:28
where can I find M4 in Canada now that it's not on HBO Max exclusively?
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Crave?
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will we be able to buy Matrix 4?
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in USA?
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Metalogic 22.1.2022. 1:30
I'm sure it'll come out on Blu-Ray/DVD/Streaming at some point
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i really hope so! i already own the original trilogy.
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Metalogic 22.1.2022. 1:30
Same
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i'm just glad i managed to see it before it went off-air
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Metalogic 22.1.2022. 1:31
Me too
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Aye, I'm gonna get the physical disc release to complete the quintology
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Cavalcante (MHP) 22.1.2022. 4:49
Why is ressurections leaving hbo max?
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probably wb licensing deals or rotation policy, or in preparation for dvd/bluray sales. will probably be back eventually, other movies have reappeared within a few months
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The WB/HBOMax releases streamed for one month (e.g. Dune, The Matrix Resurrections). That whole arrangement only exists because of covid. (edited)
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After Warner Bros. deal with HBO Max in 2021—which meant their entire 2021 slate of blockbuster movies release day-to-date on the streaming platform and in theaters—the studio announced a return to exclusive theater releases in 2022...
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Releasing March 8
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Time to add to my digital collection
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zenconnection 24.1.2022. 22:31
man the posters look so lame 🤣 id love a classier looking special edition to match my ultimate matrix collection
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but im gonna get it anyway
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excited for the special features 👀
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No Cornell West commentary though 😡
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Who?
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Ahh, voice box guy
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Cornel Ronald West (born June 2, 1953) is an American philosopher, political activist, social critic, actor, and public intellectual. The grandson of a Baptist minister, West focuses on the role of race, gender, and class in American society and the means by which people act and react to their "radical conditionedness". A socialist, West draws ...
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You know that brass instrumental that plays at the beginning of every Matrix film? Like right when you see the WB logo. Does that have an official name or no?
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He and Ken Wilbur did the philosopher commentary for the trilogy
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zenconnection 24.1.2022. 23:10
their commentary was awesome and illuminating
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i imagine theyd need more time to process the new film before theyd be able to give an equally substantive commentary
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On a real note. I don’t think M4 lends itself as well to that kind of discussion like the first three did. Lana already told us her thoughts with this world in the first trilogy. M4 is more just an application of the material already taught so less need to provide that kind of philosophical overlay
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@Metalogic I've always heard that referred to as the 'reflections theme'
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And was glad to hear it a half step higher in Resurrections
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Okay, I just wanted to make that my ringtone
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Which one, it's in a different key in each film, progressively higher with each sequel
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I'm a big fan of brass instrumentals. They just sound so good
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Man, and that one is freakin legendary
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By M10, the brass is replaced by Kazoos
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I'd go with OG personally
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Oh yea, OG for sure
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Someone's gotta do it with kazoos
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Deleted User 25.1.2022. 9:20
@Gami I found matrix 4 to be it's own sort of thing in the philosophy department compared to the original trilogy. I actually found a lot more to discuss in terms of philosophy with M4 based mostly into the realm of our internal struggle. It was obvious from the start this matrix would rely heavily on what it means to be a blue pill or a human going much farther than the trilogy did in how humans are decieved by systems in control. Just one of the topics I really enjoyed was how they essentially took the idea of targeted individuals and applied it with the bots. For those who don't know basically targeted individuals are people who basically think real life agents are after them. Through out the film we see that these bots can be literally anyone in our life and that anyone could possibly be a system of control against you. Trinity had her family, neo his friends and therapist, modol morpheus had his other agents. This drove home to me as I feel the pressure of control everyday from every walk of life. Everyone has their way that is better for them and we each have our own negative experiences that we then implant on others around us, which in turn reinforces a system of control. We each have our red pill selves hidden under the blue pill facade we each hide behind. We all try to fit in to some system and thus forgo parts of ourself or Indoctrinate things we disagree with just to fit in.
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Sorry for wall of text. May have fit better in #philosophy too but I was replying so it didn't cross my mind lol. (edited)
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 25.1.2022. 11:52
Bit of a random question but what do you all think of the "evolution" of Neo's outfits through the films?
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zenconnection 25.1.2022. 14:16
I'd maybe say M4 is more slanted toward psychology than philosophy when compared to the trilogy, but that there's also plenty of overlap between those concepts and no shortage of philosophical ideas to draw from. I'm sure Ken Wilbur and Cornel West would have some very interesting things to say if they had done a commentary.
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Bit of a random question but what do you all think of the "evolution" of Neo's outfits through the films?
the residual image !
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As much as I dug the flowy coats, one of my absolute favorites is his 'Number Six's Arrival Suit' from 'The Prisoner' when they first jug in to meet The Oracle (edited)
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Deleted User 25.1.2022. 21:06
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mr. anderson going outside in pajama pants is a mood
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How did I miss this? I always noticed Johnson knock the gun out of Moshimo's hand, but I never noticed how he got it
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Dude took it straight out of Johnson's holster (edited)
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Happens so quick I missed it every time I saw it
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I guess agents weren't the only ones who got an upgrade.
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lol this fight always bugged me because of that, Moshimo is fighting Johnson like Neo would
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He shoulda been absolutely destroyed
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He's starting to believe.
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he'd begiddig to beleeb
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Deleted User 25.1.2022. 22:38
@bitbomb first off, are you calling morpheus "moshimo" because of that mom retelling matrix video lol? I always thought morpheus was clearly outside his limit and knew it. In fact, I think he counted on that when he chose the freeway. In my opinion I see a man who who clearly knows he's in over his head and pushing his limits. I never got the feeling morpheus wanted to win the fight because he knew he couldn't. He wanted to sustain the battle as long as he possibly could to buy time for neo.
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Yes
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You really can do crazy and seemingly impossible things when your back is against the wall and you have no way out
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Gotta beat out the matrix -mom (edited)
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Deleted User 25.1.2022. 22:44
exactly. And plus by this point morpheus had already been captured once by agents by literally having his back against a wall so im pretty sure one exposure to that torture was more than enough to make morpheus fight harder than he had in his previous bouts with agents.
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It is kind of annoying how the agent in that fight isn't easily out maneuvering Morpheus though. Yes, they are programs still bound to the rules of The Matrix, but their stats are still maxed out compared to your average redpill.
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Deleted User 25.1.2022. 23:29
I always kind of explained that in my mind as the agents conserving energy. Let's not forget that programs rely on the energy of the system and outside rare cases I think agents try to be as equal to the party they are fighting while maintaining the upper hand. Bullet time is essentially an overclocking of their output and thus we could reasonably assume it might out a strain on the system making it less reliable the longer you keep it up. And on the other hand without the technology stuff, we could also assume it would be more beneficial to match your opponent than to completely outdo them if we keep in mind the agents never tire. A redpill can do amazing and unheard of things in a pinch so rather than putting everything on the line for one super move I would think it better for the agent to sustain combat as long as possible. And quickly back to the technology side, we also gotta keep in mind every action is monitored in the simulation so by keeping redpills in combat longer you are gaining more information on the enemy for future combat.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 26.1.2022. 11:01
That's the word, I was probably sleep deprived when I wrote that
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I can see programs like agents do that kind of matching and wearing down, both as conservation and a flex. "One sentinel for every man, woman, and child" thinking. Buy also I think I. The months since Neos defeat of Smith and coming into the role of The One, the collective belief of the redpills has made everyone a tougher person to fight within the matrix, and Morpheus triply so as the Prophet carrying the faith. So he could carry himself further in a fight with an agent, even if it would have been an eventual loss.
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“Don’t think you are. Know you are.” ~ Morpheus Combat lesson 1 belief is the core of everything you do inside the simulation. The world operates by interacting with your head so your head holds a ton of power. Morpheus is probably the most deadly thing in the Matrix short of Smith and Neo. The man is just so blinded by faith that he just knows he wins and the more he sees Neo pulling off insane shit just reenforces that mind set. One of the best things MxO did with Morpheus is explain how his faith made him a weapon. He would volunteer for suicide missions because he knew he was protected by prophecy.
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Eyyy! That's a classic!
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Metalogic 2.2.2022. 18:33
Neat!
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wonder how much those are going for these days
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holy shit, less than a hundred bucks on ebay
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 2.2.2022. 18:36
I think I was trying to find that one a while back and then decided that I don't have enough room for that kind of stuff 😄
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Woah.
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LEGO_496
matrix 4 is now on YOUTUBE https://youtu.be/IIegeXaCxmk
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:07
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Metalogic 5.2.2022. 15:08
I mean, it is on YouTube, you just have to pay for it.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:08
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I’ll show these people what you don’t want them to see. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where YouTube movies are free.
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I’ll show these people what you don’t want them to see. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where YouTube movies are free.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:38
Yeah, it doesn't work that way 😄 And we do not spread pirated material on this server. Look up the rules: https://ptb.discord.com/channels/137006126100250624/556658410322395146/932433170870202408
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@Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) i know dude
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:40
Okay, just making sure 😛 don't want you to get in trouble 😛
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Huh, i only now noticed you actually linked Youtube Movies channel, but it apparently is unavailable (which is why I thought it was some pirated copy taken down, sorry!) (edited)
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Is it available for you?
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its available in my country
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:43
God damn regional blockades. 😄
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:43
thonk
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I don't have prompt for buy or rent at all.
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oof
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.2.2022. 15:44
Other movies previews load fine
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Well, sucks to be me I guess
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There is a official YouTube Movies channel, where they have a rotating cast of movies that are free for X number of months. (edited)
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Watched T34 it with it recently, salty I missed Master n Commander.
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Is legit
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this is canon
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this is canon
How so?
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between revolutions and the civil war before resurrections im sure
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zenconnection 16.2.2022. 0:44
Morpheus in his Presidential Kia
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treedemolisher 16.2.2022. 8:39
Should I watch Resurrections? I honestly don’t want to because I know I’ll be mad that they recast Morpheus and Agent Smith
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Should I watch Resurrections? I honestly don’t want to because I know I’ll be mad that they recast Morpheus and Agent Smith
I loved Resurrections, so I recommend it. However, others were disappointed, so you'll probably see different opinions on whether you should see it or not.
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I loved Resurrections, so I recommend it. However, others were disappointed, so you'll probably see different opinions on whether you should see it or not.
treedemolisher 16.2.2022. 9:04
Was there a reason to why they recast those two characters? (edited)
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A very good reason to recast morpheus (it is a completely different character). Debatable about agent Smith, they do mention it in the movie but imo it would've been ok to keep the original casting for him. However, the new actor does a good job imo
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A very good reason to recast morpheus (it is a completely different character). Debatable about agent Smith, they do mention it in the movie but imo it would've been ok to keep the original casting for him. However, the new actor does a good job imo
treedemolisher 16.2.2022. 9:15
What reason was there for recasting Morpheus? (don’t spoil too much)
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Well it is a pretty big spoiler of stuff that happened before resurrections morpheus is dead so basically the "morpheus" in resurrections is a different character
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zenconnection 16.2.2022. 14:24
new morpheus is one of the first things the movie goes over so just watch it ™️ , imo its totally justified
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this is canon
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.2.2022. 16:19
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sincerelyreuben 18.2.2022. 17:58
I think I'm done with building my collection because this guy was pricey
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Got her before though
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holy crap, I've seen that Neo figurine before but not the Trinity one, that's fuckin' fire
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.2.2022. 18:22
These look absolutely incredible
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 21.2.2022. 0:20
so...
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you guys wanna see America at its finest hour?
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Metalogic 21.2.2022. 0:23
Depends on what you want to show us
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if you mean 2013's dark comedy sleeper hit "Pain & Gain" directed by Michael Bay, then yes (edited)
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David T. Gregory 21.2.2022. 16:05
i used to have the m1 neo figure and the m3 smith
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no clue what happened to them though
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 21.2.2022. 17:28
For years, the U.S. military and its allies have relied on depleted uranium (DU) for their anti-tank rounds. Twice as dense as lead, the stuff does a mean job piercing armor. But it comes with a price. Tons of DU litter battlefields around the world; the British fired almost 2 tons of DU around Bara during the Iraq invasion, for example.
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They lost to fucking tumbleweeds
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.2.2022. 18:03
The fuck does it have to do with Matrix or movies.
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 21.2.2022. 19:52
For one
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I can only imagine the machines had when they found out about this
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Ok, this is clearly off topic for the channel. I'm going to nip this in the bud. This belongs to #general
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙 21.2.2022. 23:22
wait theres a general?
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Vagus Truman🗕🗗🗙
wait theres a general?
In the Non-Matrix Discussion section
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we have like, so many channels lol
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We really do lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.2.2022. 23:50
Abundance of them.
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Metalogic 22.2.2022. 1:05
A plethora of them
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a veritable cornucopia of channels
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Préachér 22.2.2022. 1:11
Copious amounts of options
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.2.2022. 1:12
A wide variety.
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boundless choices
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.2.2022. 1:17
Infinite possibilities.
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the only limit is yourself
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you can do anything at zombocom
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 23.2.2022. 23:00
Huh. Did you know that Deus Ex Machina was voiced by the same guy who voiced Thadeus in the Final Flight of the Osiris?
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sincerelyreuben 24.2.2022. 17:41
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HE IS MASSIVE
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sincerelyreuben 26.2.2022. 22:26
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Nice! Kinda weird tho, looks like Daniel Bernhardt :D
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zenconnection 26.2.2022. 23:39
nice nips
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They certainly are substantial
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Stat: Abs: 0 Pecs: 6 Nipples: 9
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The pecs only get points off because they look a little more like synthol than muscle
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Guns. Lots of guns.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.2.2022. 3:09
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Deleted User 1.3.2022. 6:41
I am wondering if a fifth movie will still happen? I know WB gave the green light to one because of covid, but the better question is, how long until the fifth one?
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I am wondering if a fifth movie will still happen? I know WB gave the green light to one because of covid, but the better question is, how long until the fifth one?
After the huge financial loss and poor critical reception of resurrections I’d be surprised if they do another. If they do it’ll likely be a prequel or something that Lana isn’t attached to. I’d love a Netflix series that is about the machine was between Revolutions and Resurrections
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zenconnection 1.3.2022. 14:59
it's down to whether Lana wants to do another. Resurrections gives kinda mixed messages on that front. regardless I wouldn't expect a fifth with or without the Ws particularly soon
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there was that animatrix project that appeared to be in the works so maybe that will materialize in the near future though
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Metalogic 1.3.2022. 15:05
I don't think she'll do another one.
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After the huge financial loss and poor critical reception of resurrections I’d be surprised if they do another. If they do it’ll likely be a prequel or something that Lana isn’t attached to. I’d love a Netflix series that is about the machine was between Revolutions and Resurrections
Deleted User 1.3.2022. 18:18
WB was willing to brace for a financial loss
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Hence why along with Dune, they gave a sequel the green light
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zenconnection 1.3.2022. 18:41
WB has indicated they're up for more yeah. I think they'll give the Ws the chance to come up with something before giving it to someone else though, and I'm also leaning to the impression that Lana doesn't want to do more. Happy to be wrong though
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I am wondering if a fifth movie will still happen? I know WB gave the green light to one because of covid, but the better question is, how long until the fifth one?
Neomatrixology 4.3.2022. 18:32
All that was before the lawsuit. I'd wait for a ruling, there's certainly a chance Resurrections was the last installment
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All that was before the lawsuit. I'd wait for a ruling, there's certainly a chance Resurrections was the last installment
Deleted User 5.3.2022. 0:18
That wouldn’t make sense as they did pay a lot to revive the franchise
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Neomatrixology 5.3.2022. 0:33
Warner claims that 100 million of that "a lot" they paid is still owed to them by Village Roadshow. IF a judge rules in VRs favor over the Edge of Tomorrow / Wonka rights portions of the case and Warner Brothers holds a grudge, which would be extremely likely in that case, Warner could shelf the Matrix ip all together to avoid future legal actions. (edited)
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Silby # 3436 5.3.2022. 3:32
Watching the 4th, it's interesting so far. Coming up with my theories.
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I liked it! Hope you enjoy!
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Deleted User 6.3.2022. 3:07
I havce the matrix bear too! Got it for christmas, lost the sunglasses. Only got it because the outfit looked cool
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hello my french sorry I don't speak English at all
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je ne parle que francais vraiment dsl
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TheAnimator 8.3.2022. 0:29
But can we talk about how awesome and amazing was Captain Mifune? The only way for him to go down was the whole machine army taking on him.
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Neomatrixology 8.3.2022. 4:34
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Metalogic 8.3.2022. 15:34
One thing I never understood about the mech suits, how come the pilot didn't have any covering or armor?
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One thing I never understood about the mech suits, how come the pilot didn't have any covering or armor?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.3.2022. 15:53
https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Armored_Personnel_Unit
APU armor is ironically minimal, favoring speed and firepower over bulky protection. The reason being that in all likelihood armor would only mean a slower death for the pilot if Machines disabled his APU, aside from Zion's limited industrial capacity. The armor originally used on APUs, as seen on the UN version, would do very little to defend against Machines who've proven many times to be capable of cutting open or slicing quite quickly through the toughest armors Zion can produce. To some people, this separation of man and Machine with a lacking cockpit is also symbolic of who is in control and who is not.
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Metalogic 8.3.2022. 15:54
Fuck that, give me armor, I don't care if I become one with the machine.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.3.2022. 15:57
You're a cypherite anyway. What do you need APU for? You're Machines' bitch lul
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Metalogic 8.3.2022. 15:57
LOL
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All I'm saying is even if the armor only adds in 1 second of protection, that's still 1 extra second you didn't have before.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.3.2022. 15:58
... as seen on the UN version, would do very little to defend against Machines who've proven many times to be capable of cutting open or slicing quite quickly through the toughest armors Zion can produce.
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Metalogic 8.3.2022. 15:59
I stand by my statement
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 8.3.2022. 16:00
slower death for the pilot if Machines disabled his APU
Zion's limited industrial capacity
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I recall a scene from The Second Renaissance pt2 when a human torso was ripped from his mech, limbs still held within
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with Zion's APUs if you get dead then it's easier to drag your corpse out and put in a fresh pilot
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That scream when he's getting ripped out man...
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.3.2022. 16:11
That was a painful death.
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KILL EM ALL KILL EM ALL KILL EM ALL
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AHAHAHAHAHA
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Neomatrixology 11.3.2022. 18:28
Roger Roger
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.3.2022. 13:03
Have you all pre-ordered Ressurections for physical release tomorrow?
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I'm happy with my digital copy.
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Neomatrixology 20.3.2022. 15:17
The Physical release was March 8th here & yea I have one but I didn't pre-order
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I know people love all the extra content that comes with a physical copy and good for them. However, I just never got into the extra content thing.
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I'm happy with just the movie
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Neomatrixology 20.3.2022. 15:42
You can watch most all of them online if you "search" properly :::inserts plausible deniability disclaimer:::
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Also, I did learn a couple things from the special features and found a few answers that were not answered by just watching Resurrections. Of course I discuss them all in my last video, but I know there is a TON of deleted Footage because of Lana Wachowskis new style shooting longer takes. Agent Johnsons scene is M.I.A. I'm hoping that at some point they release legit deleted scene content
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Can't remember how long after Revolutions they dropped the ultimate Matrix collection
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I dunno, Lana seem done with Matrix, so I'm skeptical of a director's cut or extended cut
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Neomatrixology 20.3.2022. 15:47
05?
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I don't think it would be edited into a directors cut, or released that way. Just dvd extras of the baby scenes slaughtered to make the film.
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Wait what?
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babies get slaughtered?
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Neomatrixology 20.3.2022. 15:59
I guess that's an industry term lol I've heard writers & directors describe cuttung scenes from the script or editing room as sacrificing your babies (edited)
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Ahh okay, I thought M4 had like babies being slaughtered lol (edited)
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Neomatrixology 20.3.2022. 16:03
Matrix themed horror could be a vibe. Set it in the Matrix 2.0 midevil Merv version of the Matrix
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I guess that's an industry term lol I've heard writers & directors describe cuttung scenes from the script or editing room as sacrificing your babies (edited)
Inland Republic 20.3.2022. 21:40
Hi. Can you tell do we really live in the matrix?
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Inland Republic
Hi. Can you tell do we really live in the matrix?
That is for you to decide, all we can do is show you the door.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.3.2022. 21:43
Sorry I forgot that digital release is a thing people have
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It's available here but more expensive than physical and I like having a physical copy so I was like yeahh
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Hi. Can you tell do we really live in the matrix?
Neomatrixology 20.3.2022. 21:56
That's probably more of a philosophy question. The short answer is that I personally am not a simulation theorist. If you'd like I could go into more detail in the philosophy thread.
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lmao I can't even tell which one's Keanu and which one's Laurence
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.3.2022. 23:49
Man this is amazing breathtaking when did you get these?
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Who in their right mind would sell away such a gem!?
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Damn, that's lucky! I bet it isn't cheap.
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Random boards I’ve either never seen or forgot that I’ve seen. Still sad Art of the Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions got canned
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Random boards I’ve either never seen or forgot that I’ve seen. Still sad Art of the Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions got canned
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.3.2022. 4:28
This looks great
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Don't know if any of you all have seen this yet. I thought it was fucking hillarious
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cuz wah wah wess was such a fantastic film
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I love Kevin Smith's story about the idiot fucking spider
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I love Kevin Smith's story about the idiot fucking spider
duomaxwell9372 31.3.2022. 3:47
Yeah i like that movie too. The spider scared me when i first saw it as a kid. Always have had a little arachnaphobia
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Matrix themed horror could be a vibe. Set it in the Matrix 2.0 midevil Merv version of the Matrix
Deleted User 5.4.2022. 3:09
I’m actually trying to make a matrix themed horror fan film.
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I’m actually trying to make a matrix themed horror fan film.
Neomatrixology 5.4.2022. 7:42
What stage of production are you in?
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Neomatrixology 5.4.2022. 7:46
This was a great reminder. When I saw this years ago it was just a funny Kevin Smith story, but now, with fresh eyes, it is really an incredibly insightful example/lesson about how Warner does things behind the scenes. Talk to a guy to talk to a guy, who is the gate keeper to talk to the guy who sets the meeting with the real guys you should talk to... only to have Will Smith fight a giant spider in an all white cowboy outfit because the producer used to do Barbara Streisand's hair.
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Deleted User 7.4.2022. 10:54
I was having intuitions over the past five or so years about Will Smith's disappointment in himself (related to his turning-down of the role). I philosophized a bit (I generally dislike talk of celebrities) and settled in a place of calm fury. I think Smith's developed a complex related to said turning-down of said role.
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Represented by his behavior at the Oscar's, if that isn't obvious.
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Neomatrixology 7.4.2022. 16:08
You're reaching hard lol the only link to Matrix & Will Smith related to slapping Chris Rock in an attempt to Satisfy Jada Pinkett is that she played Niobe... so no one would object to calling Will's over compensation a "Commander Locke Complex"
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Niobe still in love with Morpheus but with Locke...Jada still in love with Tupac but with Will Smith & occasionally entangled with August Alsina... there's the bridge (edited)
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Inland Republic 7.4.2022. 16:32
Why is Zion called Zion
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Zion (Hebrew: צִיּוֹן Ṣīyyōn, LXX Σιών, also variously transliterated Sion, Tzion, Tsion, Tsiyyon) is a placename in the Hebrew Bible used as a synonym for Jerusalem as well as for the Land of Israel as a whole (see Names of Jerusalem). The name is found in 2 Samuel (5:7), one of the books of the Hebrew Bible dated to before or close to the mid-...
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Just throw a dart at a paragraph and that's why.
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Inland Republic 7.4.2022. 23:01
Well i am an atheist
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Metalogic 7.4.2022. 23:31
I'm a neo-pagan
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Deleted User 8.4.2022. 0:05
Neopythagorean, here.
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Inland Republic 9.4.2022. 16:59
That's the problem. Zionism now is a bad thing
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in real life
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Keeping this as minimal and uncontroversial as possible: MxO went out of its way to use the word "Zionite" instead for a reason
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Yes let's please avoid going into a political discussion. :)
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What stage of production are you in?
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I’m pretty close to recording
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Metalogic 12.4.2022. 1:32
Depends on what the specific topic is.
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Neomatrixology 12.4.2022. 1:54
Close friends and family maybe but on a job or in a public forum. Hard pass. I see it go left too often to willingly sign up
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I’m actually trying to make a matrix themed horror fan film.
Ooooo the nightmare matrix? The second renaissance era or the horrors of a human realizing/surviving the real world by themselves
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Ooooo the nightmare matrix? The second renaissance era or the horrors of a human realizing/surviving the real world by themselves
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It’s not quite done yet, but it’s based off of the ARG on TikTok, tumblr, YouTube, and discord. I’ll give you a brief summary in fan film chat
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Close friends and family maybe but on a job or in a public forum. Hard pass. I see it go left too often to willingly sign up
"GO LEFT!!!!" -Connor MacManus
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Neomatrixology 12.4.2022. 2:24
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aethxphir 13.4.2022. 3:33
So that part where Tank survives Cypher's attack and kills him just in time to save Neo, that was all just coincidence??
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Ooooo the nightmare matrix? The second renaissance era or the horrors of a human realizing/surviving the real world by themselves
Deleted User 13.4.2022. 12:33
Well it’s not gonna be in the nightmare matrix, it’s just gonna be the one shown in the movies. You can find out more in the fan film chat
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Neomatrixology 13.4.2022. 20:44
Imagine how Epic fail that might have been
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.4.2022. 5:16
Being completely engulfed in goop
This speaks to me on a deeper level.
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Some people find it relaxing
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.4.2022. 5:40
Never heard of those. But I've heard people getting excited about fights in the jello. lul
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The two person pod is just a prototype the docbots don't need to break up fights the minute people wake up XD
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David T. Gregory 15.4.2022. 23:45
m4 makes me really grasp smith
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basically hes just a guy who wants to be free, wants to be himself
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but hes forced into a shitload of rules, a shitload of requirements, trying desperately to justify an existence that is without any freedom, just looking for the one tiny crack in the walls that at least enables him to look into the outside world, into whats more, into whats free
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a man bound by his programming, confinded by his code, his purpose that depends on redpills disturbing the artificial peace of the matrix. only then he can be, he can exist. his existence depends on deviation from the system
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cause only then hes even gonna be "used", "sent" or idgaf
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what is this way of life, if you only exist to rectify any errors in the system?
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its nothing
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but a splinter in your artificial mind
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so i can understand the extremism of wanting to be all
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cause its just a game of 0 and 1. either there are mistakes to take care of, which require your existence, or not - but youre made to resemble a human anyway. and with neos code imprinted onto you - you just want more. you just want to live. want to free yourself from the requirements of your existence and just exist unconditionally
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but youre forced into this madness so the only way to escape is to make everything: YOU
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what a horrible life
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Ugh, if that's true, you think Tom Tykwer purposely changed the time signature to 5/4 to de-cheese it? The burly brawl music was super generic
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:24
no clue if you could call it de-cheesing
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but at least making it sound different, kinda foreign in a way that doesnt hit you as being a mere copy
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considering the state of mind both acteurs were in at that time itd make sense
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a familiar memory that you cant quite associate with anything yet
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also i firmly believe that the soundtrack made sense, even if it was cheesy. cause the main focus point wasnt just neo doing a fight against another smith, as we were all used to at that point. he was going through the motions of fighting smith. again. and again. and again. and again....
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like a code loop that always does the same thing, but not because it wants to, but because the circumstances require ir
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:28
Smith is an interesting character. He clearly wanted out of The Matrix and he thought he could achieve that through destroying Zion. However, he realizes that there is no escape, and being endowed with free will from Neo, Smith no longer has any purpose. So what's an disgruntled ex-agent to do? Burn it all down.
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Kind of sad he didn't go "burn it all down" in Resurrections.
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:30
i disagree, i still believe in the "he just wants to be himself but doesnt exactly know how" theory
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theres a certain lack of control if youre only summoned into existence under the condition of there being a threat to be neutralized
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:31
I still can't pinpoint when he stopped being an agent though. Because that's clearly happened in the first movie when he took out the earpiece.
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:32
did he really stop being an agent by then? or was he more like a guy in a pod reaching out for reality, but being sedated via electric shock (see the animatrix athlete thing, forgot the name)
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:33
I think it was World Record?
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:33
yes, thank you
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:33
I dunno if he got sedated though, because in Reloaded he said that he knew what he had to do, but he couldn't. He was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey.
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I do believe that Neo endowed him with Free Will when he went into Smith and exploded him.
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:34
isnt that supposed to refer to his duty to return to the source, like a good servant of the system?
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:34
Yep, he failed at his task and was an broken or obsolete agent.
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Either way, marked for deletion
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:35
and still: free will would be a concept that cant be dutifully carried out by anyone
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you can use your free will to do good or bad. you can choose or refuse to go back where you came from in order to be repaired
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and what happens to a puppet thats trained in pretending to be somewhat human, if theyre endowed with the ability to expand their programming?
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they try everything
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its like theres a voice inside them, telling em to be free
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but they simply dont know how - or what freedom means in a manifested way. sure they know the abstracts of being free meaning they can do whatever the fuck they want
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but thats all
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:38
That does make sense in that "purpose" speech
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:38
the conditions, the nuances of freedom are completely unknown factors
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and smith - the child that he is - might know freedom only as something thats inevitably tied to the conditions of his programming - i.e. the continuous presence of a threat to be eliminated
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if that threat doesnt exist, there is no need for...well...anything. unless a spark of true freedom, the freedom that is conveyed by existence itself, shines on him
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cogito ergo sum
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concordantly sum too. vis a vis as well 😄
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:41
Smith could just be angry that his purpose is gone, and Neo took it away from him and now he's this rogue program (a virus) and he doesn't know how to be an Exile.
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:41
yes
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"i dont know what the fuck i am so everyone has to be me so i dont feel scared anymore"
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:42
Too bad all of that was ruined in M4
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I got none of that from M4
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David T. Gregory 16.4.2022. 1:43
well its been 60 years or so and smiths memories have been temporarily removed
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theres no shame in referring to what you did unknowingly
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Metalogic 16.4.2022. 1:48
Thankfully M4 was set far in the future, so for the purpose of MxO it can be ignored. lol
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Thankfully M4 was set far in the future, so for the purpose of MxO it can be ignored. lol
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.4.2022. 1:54
Thank goodness for that.
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Thank goodness for that.
DizzyBlonde 16.4.2022. 7:59
Seconded 😆
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Either way, marked for deletion
Neomatrixology 16.4.2022. 17:43
Here's when Smith lost his agent card & was marked for deletion imo
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Here's when Smith lost his agent card & was marked for deletion imo
I mean, yea.
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That was also when Neo implanted a part of himself onto Smith, giving him Free Will. (edited)
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That was also when Neo implanted a part of himself onto Smith, giving him Free Will. (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.4.2022. 17:45
Does that make him... Free Will Smith? lul
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Sorry, I had to. I know it's terrible.
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Does that make him... Free Will Smith? lul
And you're now marked for deletion.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.4.2022. 17:46
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Neomatrixology 16.4.2022. 17:46
Correct. Smith talks about Neos return from death being a syntax error of sorts but once Smith has that anomaly code in his system ooo wee. Ya fired.
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Hello everyone, very happy to be here! 👋
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Welcome to the desert of The Real.
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hyperjump Welcome. neo oracle
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Hello everyone, very happy to be here! 👋
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Welcome to the fiery pits of hell.
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There are just so many to choose from
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That's my vote, fits his drunken dancing in Club Hel
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2022. 2:37
the more i watch groffs smith the more it works for me
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he just emulates enough of the old character (even though its very little) to convey that connection, however theres also some kind of innocence behind it
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hugo weaving had some very distinctive facial expressions which underlined the fact that hes bad, bad, really really bad
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and groff trying to emulate weavings act, at least a little, really emphasizes the whole "i know what ive did, but ive changed" thing
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Metalogic 22.4.2022. 2:39
I think my biggest problem with Geoff's take on Smith is that he made Smith a tad bit too vain.
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2022. 2:40
well, smith has always been some kinda narcissist
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so why not channel that narcissism into some kinda vanity in order to keep it safe
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Metalogic 22.4.2022. 2:41
Also, where's the anger? Where's the seething bubbling under the surface anger?
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2022. 2:41
why should it be necessary
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Metalogic 22.4.2022. 2:41
Because that was the whole point of Smith in the original Trilogy!
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Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die.
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2022. 2:43
a couple of days ago i shared my theory of smith just being a person who wants to be themselves. a person who was - at first - forced to bend the rules in order to achieve that goal but also a person who slowly started to recognize that bending the rules and destroying everything isnt really necessary to be themselves anymore.
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so thats where im coming from. assuming a smith who finally realized, through all trials and tribulations, that being himself is just as easy as having a drink - and who finally had the chance to do so
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i still stick to the belief that smiths whole "i wanna know everything, i wanna be everywhere, i wanna fuck everyone in the world, i wanna do something that matters" (NIN - i do not want this) attitude is just a step towards his ultimate goal, not the goal itself
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Metalogic 22.4.2022. 2:46
Once he realized that he wasn't going to get out of The Matrix, once he realized the truth of The Cycle, he just started to thrash everything within The Matrix.
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2022. 2:47
but then again: what if that was just a result of his programming
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the new groff-smith could do whatever the fuck he wanted
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yeah he was screaming MISTER ANDERSOOOOOOOOON cause old habits die hard
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but he was more free than ever before
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Metalogic 22.4.2022. 2:48
Yea, I was kind of sad to see that was the only "angry Smith" we got in Resurrections.
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David T. Gregory 22.4.2022. 2:48
idk, i think it works for the character
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you got a guy who used his anger to take over the world, what more do you want
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i believe even smith would have to actively work towards recognizing the bigger picture i.e. the matrix vs the real world
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he did all he could
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ASATO MA SAT GAMAYA
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ASATO MA SAT GAMAYA
Metalogic 22.4.2022. 2:51
Wat?
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"Lead me from the unreal to the real, lead me from darkness to light, lead me from death to immortality."
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Deleted User 22.4.2022. 22:24
If they make a new trilogy of the matrix or one offs I need Jim Carrey as neo or a supporting member
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"Do it slowly.....' TWSS dohohohoho
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I'm watching the first Matrix for the first time now with closed captioning, I'm a little excited
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Yay! Or as morpheus would say YESSS
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I have no idea what this is about except something something trans allegory
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And all the outfits are GREAT right now
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Well just SEEING the movie makes me excited to play the emulator of the online game that isn't even complete
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Rob_Sometimes 27.4.2022. 20:49
FYI screen used matrix stuff up for auction to benefit trans youth
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Sorta interesting to see everything they have posted. If you ever wanted the IGN Movie award for the Matrix, here's your shot! (edited)
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Lots of big lots of posters too.
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Deleted User 28.4.2022. 18:03
I’m getting the Smith figurine. Gonna record a lot of funny videos with it and possibly revive quandale dingle if it’s dead by November
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But I have a lot of good memes
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Is it my imagination, or was there an official revolutions poster that prominently featured this code glyph?
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Deleted User 3.5.2022. 3:17
I'm not sure but that looks cool
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Actually I think you're misremembering something
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I'm seeing two figures reaching towards each other
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PS10N - Zion (The Brethren) 3.5.2022. 4:44
Megacity is shaped like the Chicago Bulls' logo. I'll look for the poster graphics I have, and see if there is a Revolutions poster with it
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I had a great conversation with Rezmason about all the code glyphs. Will release the podcast episode any day now. Got to thinking all about this glyph.
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dynoSuccess Muz#4189 has been warned. || No, we're not doing that.
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Metalogic 4.5.2022. 0:57
No one comes to my Discord and begs for money. We don't do that here
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Deleted User 4.5.2022. 2:19
Just because I have PayPal doesn’t mean I will give you money better spent on matrix merchandise
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Is it my imagination, or was there an official revolutions poster that prominently featured this code glyph?
David T. Gregory 4.5.2022. 19:42
whats this stuff above the city, the freeways?
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whats this stuff above the city, the freeways?
No, not freeways. This screen capture is from the opening of revolutions. The camera zooms out of this revealing the code stream on the operator’s computer
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David T. Gregory 4.5.2022. 23:24
isnt that glyph a birds eye view on megacity?
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It’s a digitized view, I believe. @Vesuveus I think you are right about being in some kind of publicity package, don’t remember if it was a movie poster or possibly DVD/other release.
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David T. Gregory 5.5.2022. 3:09
yeah it was in the intro for m3, first you see a 3d model of megacity in code vision, then it zooms out, revealing the entire city being shaped this way
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Just checked movieposters.com and did not see it there
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The mystery will live on. I will find it eventually
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I think you at right though. I’m pretty sure I have seen it on some kind of advertising.
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Hi
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I’ve only seen it on this pic and I’m not sure it’s official
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I think it was in the MxO offices at launch not 100% on that either
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(btw the drive is still alive and you can find all of the stuff you need like this in there)
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Deleted User 5.5.2022. 22:00
I did see a shirt with similar graphics on Hot Topic’s website
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Metalogic 5.5.2022. 22:01
I remember Hot Topic when I was a teenager. Of course nowadays I prefer Mild Topic (edited)
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David T. Gregory 5.5.2022. 23:04
you may enjoy the benefits of a mild topic...but objectively theres nothing more interesting than a....cold subject
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YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 21:50
What do you guys think about the fourth film?
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I kinda wish it finished with the third one (as always). Felt it was stupid with the "game creation" bit and the fact that Trin and Neo suddenly were "the two"....
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I like it a lot, even if Lana was held at gunpoint to make it
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 21:53
Reeeeeally....?
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You know it's gonna come at least 2 more now, as a reboot....
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WB said they were gonna make it with or without her, that's the biggest meta joke in the movie
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 21:54
I know but... meh, leave legends in peace, you know?
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it's Lana's story, she can tell it however she pleases lol
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 21:55
Matrix was great for so many reasons. It's not a super mario bros.
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Ah come on... One must know when to leave something behind. The only great thing I can see happening is another Matrix MMO.
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'leave old thing behind' and 'remake old thing' in the same sentence lol (edited)
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zenconnection 6.5.2022. 21:58
I mean Lana did want to leave it alone. For years both Ws resisted. When WB indicated they were making a 4th with or without them, Lana chose to make it her way. I liked the game dev stuff a lot personally, as well as everything with the Analyst. Was it as good as the first three? Of course not, but it's refreshing that it very clearly wasn't trying to recreate them IMO. It was proudly its own new thing, while still carrying forward plenty of ideas from before.
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I know for a fact I'm happier with what we got than whatever soulless husk the studio would have come up with on its own.
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I like to think of it more as a film about the movies themselves and their cultural position in society than a straightforward sequel to the lore
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I liked M4 a lot
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almost as much as I enjoy the fanboi tears that sharing that opinion typically generates 😄
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Boomer Merv = best Merv
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Goddamn kids and they phones!
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I know for a fact I'm happier with what we got than whatever soulless husk the studio would have come up with on its own.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 6.5.2022. 22:01
It's only a better when looking at it through the lenses of bigger and lesser evil. But overall there was too much missing in this movie in terms of depth and details. It's okay sci-fi movie, but a very mediocre Matrix movie.
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Boomer Merv = best Merv
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 6.5.2022. 22:01
This was one of the worst parts of the movie tbh.
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This was one of the worst parts of the movie tbh.
I love it when you give my opinions attention like that babe ❤️
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I love it when you give my opinions attention like that babe ❤️
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 6.5.2022. 22:02
I know what turns you on.
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zenconnection 6.5.2022. 22:03
I mean I quite liked M4 but I would agree Merv was pretty disappointing. His lines were kinda funny but eehh, prob one of my least fav things of M4 too
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I absolutely and inconsolably lost my shit at boomer merv XD
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:03
I don't agree with Sared, it's not as the way you put it. A game can be remade from the old ones. But yes, the fourth was a story forward but I felt I lacked the bit where they were stuck in a simulation from where they left off in the movies. Remakes are remakes for a reason. But that is what I feel I want from the reboot. Imagine another 2022 MxO.
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we have MxO at home
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:04
Then I want your home. But still, Imagine a 2022 MxO.
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Imagine that interlock combat.
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there's a lot of potential now that Epic put out the sauce for the matrix UE tech demo
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interlock combat was not, objectively speaking, 'good' lol
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but that's another channel 😛
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:06
Introduce "MMO" combat in matrix, it wont work. Matrix is all about that 1v1 with the exception on Neo.
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I think it's understandable that Resurrections was told like it was because the studio execs forcing it missed the point that Revolutions was meant to be a symbolic passing of the construction of meaning of the Matrix from creator to audience and that's why it was the last proper official Matrix story
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So of course Lana would use it to put its own existence on blast to an extent
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:07
Resurrections is "age appropriate".
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and she's been very open about validating fan fiction and stories being told
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For all its faults MxO kinda was a natural thematic step forward for the Matrix because it was passing the universe onto the audience, so to speak
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:10
Is it wrong of my to say that I wish we had this discussion in Sai Kung Central, In the dojo right by the HL?
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Mara C, that's where the shit gets talked and the hands get thrown 😛
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:20
The pros were stationed in Mara C.
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err Sai Kung C.
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Mara C was for people who wanted to test their build.
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which server?
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:22
.... I was 14 before the merge. I don't remember that. 😛
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no worries, respect 🙂
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I think I was Vector before the merge, then it got turned into....shit, recursion?
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:23
But it's true, we usually spent like 3-4 hours after work/school trying to work out strategies.
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It was before any merge, Vector sounds familiar.
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don't need a strategy more complex than 'red=dead' lol
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Deleted User 6.5.2022. 22:24
Trust me, my group went insane. Hacker, kung fu, karate, whatever, it never worked against our build.
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We were armed with Spock fanatics.
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Man, I remember I thought you needed HJB to HJ to specific spots.
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And the best part, was tuning into radios.
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I think I was Vector before the merge, then it got turned into....shit, recursion?
If memory serves it was Input, then Vector post merge. At the end it was recursion, vector and syntax. Vector was the only hostile server at the end
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And to be fair, Vector was a combo of the 3 hostile servers. I only remember Input, because thats where I was.
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I think I was Vector before the merge, then it got turned into....shit, recursion?
PlugAndPlay 7.5.2022. 7:37
RECURSION - Iterator, Method, Regression SYNTAX - Linenoise, Output, Proxy VECTOR (hostile) - Enumerator (hostile), Heuristic (hostile), Input (hostile) 😎 (edited)
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Enumerator, the domain of kings
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Deleted User 10.5.2022. 2:56
I am going to get a sample of the goo that turns you into a smith clone and pour it on myself
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New addition to the collection. Coat given out to some of the crew who worked on Resurrections.
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whaaaaaat
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that's fuckin fire yo
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where and how much
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Ouranos
where and how much
EBay. £100.
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Hey that’s actually pretty cheap
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If the coat is good quality
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Deleted User 16.5.2022. 3:06
Tomorrow is a special day
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What happens tomorrow?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.5.2022. 17:40
What is tomorrow?
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People be asking “what” is tomorrow but never “how” is tomorrow smh
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.5.2022. 20:55
When did tomorrow care about us?
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I thought so.
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its tomorrow, and it doesnt feel especially special
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zenconnection 17.5.2022. 19:05
technically yesterday was tomorrow
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.5.2022. 19:09
The truth is, today is today and tomorrow never comes.
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Deleted User 18.5.2022. 1:59
I meant yesterday was important idiot
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time is relative, it happens
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.5.2022. 2:52
Time happens everywhere all at once.
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every now and then
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.5.2022. 2:57
Sometimes even somewhere in between
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after and before the fact
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Metalogic 18.5.2022. 2:58
Time is a man-made construct.
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Time is a man-made construct.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.5.2022. 2:58
Man is also a man-made construct
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Man is also a man-made construct
Metalogic 18.5.2022. 2:59
It's all fake, nothing is real!
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It's all fake, nothing is real!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.5.2022. 3:00
Everything is permitted
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 18.5.2022. 3:09
F a c t s
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Deleted User 9.6.2022. 13:53
I hope we do get The Matrix 5, I'm praying for it. 🙏
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Though it might never happen but I'm still praying for it
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Does that make me sound... Crazy?
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Metalogic 9.6.2022. 14:29
Yea, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Matrix 5, especially with the poor box office performance of Matrix 4.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.6.2022. 15:07
I'm trying to forget M4, stop ruining it for me lul
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
I'm trying to forget M4, stop ruining it for me lul
Metalogic 9.6.2022. 15:08
Did you know in The Matrix 4... lol
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Did you know in The Matrix 4... lol
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 9.6.2022. 15:08
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I hope we do get The Matrix 5, I'm praying for it. 🙏
this would be awesome!
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M5 would be cool
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but, strictly in my own opinion
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I'd be okay with a streaming service doing a miniseries or limited run on the machine civil war portrayed in M4
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That has so much potential
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That has so much potential
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.6.2022. 3:54
M4 story had potential and they absolutely squandered it. It's almost the same as if someone tried to squeeze LotR trilogy into a single 2hr movie. What a waste. (edited)
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M4 story had potential and they absolutely squandered it. It's almost the same as if someone tried to squeeze LotR trilogy into a single 2hr movie. What a waste. (edited)
M4 was great and you can't convince me otherwise, we've already established this XD
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M4 was great and you can't convince me otherwise, we've already established this XD
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 10.6.2022. 4:04
It could have been great. I can agree on that 😛
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this would be awesome!
Deleted User 10.6.2022. 7:29
It really would 🙏
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I'd be okay with a streaming service doing a miniseries or limited run on the machine civil war portrayed in M4
Deleted User 10.6.2022. 7:30
That does sound like an idea everyone at Warner could do. Make live-action or computer generated like Osiris 😊
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M4 was great and you can't convince me otherwise, we've already established this XD
Totally agree xD it was everything I didn't even know I hoped it would be :D
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I hope we do get The Matrix 5, I'm praying for it. 🙏
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Vermillion 16.6.2022. 15:18
Hey guys! Did anyone have saved 360° panoramas of filming sets that were on the old whatisthematrix.com site? Few of them still available through the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20061110042303/http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/cmp/rl_av_archive_index1.html) but not all unfortunately...
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@Vermillion ?!? is that another FA I spy?!?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 16.6.2022. 23:51
do i need to download quicktime 6 for this?
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also by the end of Revolutions Neo and Smith were essentially equally powerful and Smith became more powerful with every entity he took over. Does that mean that at the end of Revolutions, Neo was as powerful as every inhabitant of the Matrix combined?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
do i need to download quicktime 6 for this?
Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:04
Yes, you need old version of quicktime (I've 5.0.2) to view this panoramas
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:06
best place to download it?
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I'm on windows if that changes anything
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best place to download it?
Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:09
To be honest, I don't remember where I downloaded it, but I think it's easy to find
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
I'm on windows if that changes anything
Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:09
Me too
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:20
wow I have no idea how to use this 😅
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
wow I have no idea how to use this 😅
Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:20
You mean how to use Wayback Machine?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:21
i mean i clicked on your link, i don't know what I'm doing with quick time
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:24
First of all - you can't (as far as I know) play panoramas in browser. So you need to download *.mov file and then open it with quicktime
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:24
that makes sense
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try this one
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for example
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In quicktime you can rotate camera usint left mouse button, zoom in & zoom ut using ctrl and shift
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:29
I'm going to be that person but how do I open something in quick time? I'm only able to find files to open with the picture viewer but can't find the .mov file I just downloaded
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:29
Did you find and installed Quicktime?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:30
indeed
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:30
You downloaded files by default in User/Downloads folder
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:30
yup
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:31
Press right mouse button on file and choose open with...
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than choose quicktime
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thats it
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:36
that was my first try but it doesn't show it as an option, I definitely have quicktime installed I made a pathway to it in program files on disk c:
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Everyone on this server looking at my poor PC skills 🤨
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:39
Okay just find and run you QuickTime Player first. Just start type in windows search bar and it will pop-up
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:39
wait im fucking dumb it worked
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:40
It should work 👍
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:40
I clicked "look for apps on this pc" to open it with
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i thought it was just like a subheading and it would show quicktime below it, it was a button
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how many of the things on there actually work? some of them try to open in browser and therefore dont work
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:42
most of them didnt work
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Unfortunately
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So I hope fans can share full site archive 😶
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If anyone has it
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:43
thanks for the help! Do you know which ones specifically do work or do I just have to comb through them?
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:44
I can post all I've found here
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Thats all
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:47
that's neat! oh wow there's like interviews on there and everything too, like transcripts
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:48
Yeah there's a lot of other interesting stuff
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:50
I wonder what else is out there that i didn't know about because like... I became a fan in like 2015 so people will know what things were on e.g. whatisthematric.com back in the day
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Vermillion 17.6.2022. 0:51
Same for me, I found about whatisthematrix.com after it was closed
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 17.6.2022. 0:56
guess you just know what's going on more and probably actually know how to use a computer
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 18.6.2022. 0:56
Does anyone know the style of tie knot that Neo had in Revolutions at Mobil Avenue?
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Let the rave begin
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Let the rave begin
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I can post all I've found here
hey just wanted to say thank you so much for everything you've found, appreciate you compiling it here! i was also late to the site lol
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dynoSuccess cryptohydrabot#2388 has been warned. || Check the rules about server in invites.
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Aw yiss, found a missing piece of my collection at a thrift store for $1, 'The Matrix Revisited' on DVD
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Aw yiss, found a missing piece of my collection at a thrift store for $1, 'The Matrix Revisited' on DVD
Metalogic 20.6.2022. 0:22
What is this all about?
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The Matrix Revisited: Directed by Josh Oreck. With Lorenzo di Bonaventura, Joel Silver, Bill Pope, Owen Paterson. A DVD-exclusive documentary about the making and production of The Matrix (1999).
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"Although it was available as a stand-alone release, the disk was also part of a new "The Matrix Collector's Edition" DVD set. The idea was that owners of the existing Matrix DVD could get the new extras without paying for the film a second time."
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It's just for collector purposes for me (edited)
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.6.2022. 16:36
Does anyone know why every club in the Matrix is a fetish club?
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Does anyone know why every club in the Matrix is a fetish club?
uselesslemming 20.6.2022. 16:54
Would be something to do with the clothing I assume.
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Would be something to do with the clothing I assume.
Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.6.2022. 17:59
That would make sense, I just wonder why it had such a big influence? If that makes sense?
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uselesslemming 20.6.2022. 18:01
It never entered my head at the time but I can see why people would.
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I mean, all the clubs that are shown in the movies are fetish/goth clubs.
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From the club where Neo met Trinity to Club Hel
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I mean, they even had a rave party in Zion
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that one was less 'bondage' and more 'body odor'
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less BDSM and more BO
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 20.6.2022. 18:21
That one was pretty sweaty... And it involved other body fluids as well lul
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'omg what did I just slip in.... Nevermind I don't want to know'
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.6.2022. 18:55
Where's that quote from haha, not the films? (edited)
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It's not from the movies. But yea, all the clubs and dance scene have a certain theme to them.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.6.2022. 19:17
I'm trying to find the real life locations of where things where filmed, anyone know any off the top of their head? The first club scene was filmed in The Hellfire Club in Sydney but I haven't really found any other details yet.
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There was a fan film that used a bunch of the filming locations, it's in #fan-films somewhere
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.6.2022. 19:21
Thank you, I'll try to go through it
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Explore GazTruman's photos on Flickr. GazTruman has uploaded 218 photos to Flickr.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 20.6.2022. 19:25
Thank you, wow it's incredible what some editing and good filming can do
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I'm sure I'd walk past most of these places and not even notice
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'To evil!'
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
Does anyone know why every club in the Matrix is a fetish club?
sincerelyreuben 21.6.2022. 3:44
It could be simply because that the Wachowskis just liked that kind kind of environment, but I see them as more significant if the theme of being trans is considered. Lots of people consider BDSM to be heavily rooted in queer history. Not to mention, both being queer and being into kink are two things that make the mass turn their heads, either away from you, or to judge you. Both are rebellious in society in some way. I believe it's all for a reason that the main characters are rebels and are dressed how they are. Neo in straps (at least in the first movie), Trinity in latex, Morpheus in leather, etc. In the first movie Trinity finding Neo there is certainly significant. For the sequels and s&m appearances within them, well, it's more relevant within one of the major themes of the sequels, sexuality (love). ...or maybe the sisters just really liked the aesthetic. Both are valid, but this is my interpretation since the themes add up.
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So yeah, interpersonal reasons and connection to queer subculture, reflecting on who the characters are in terms of their nature VS the world around them, etc. Good stuff.
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sincerelyreuben 21.6.2022. 3:59
I know no one asked, but I just want to go off about it because it's been stuck in my head: the reason for Neo's significant design change for the sequels and the conservativeness of his clothes can be interpreted in two ways: Neo has transitioned both as a person and as the One, but of course, a reflection of the Wachowskis' projections as women. His clothes are form fitting but also flared and flowey, similar to a long dress. Hell, even the waist is supposed to be a little snatched to support a more feminine figure. The second, is of course the religious subtext of the one and him as a guide to humanity. The coat is based off of a priest's cossack, albeit a very long, elegant one- he is supposed to resemble a religious figure, simple as that. we DONT talk about how Neo's entire appearance COULD be based on Kakyoin from Jojo's bizarre adventure with the glasses, coat, and overall presentation, which is certainly a possibility based on how much the Wachowskis' said that the Matrix was inspired by "japanamation", which is very funny imo LMFAO-
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 21.6.2022. 9:29
I've also been wondering about how the Oracle works like how does she know everything?
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And also the "not being able to see past the choices you don't understand"
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
I've also been wondering about how the Oracle works like how does she know everything?
uselesslemming 21.6.2022. 11:07
She is one of the creators of the Matrix is she not?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 21.6.2022. 11:46
Yes but could she really be able to predict everything? Also Neo ends up being able to "see" the future too
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I don't think The Oracle can really predict anything. Like @uselesslemming said, she's the mother of The Matrix. The Oracle saw The Cycle play out six times before & she knows what happens at each step. That's why in the 7th cycle, she was able to influence the redpills in subtle ways to get a different outcome. Plus, in Revolutions she kinda loses her ability to predict the future. She doesn't really make any predictions, just explaining the present.
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I've also been wondering about how the Oracle works like how does she know everything?
Neomatrixology 26.6.2022. 18:10
The main thing is the cookies. It doesn't hurt that there were previous Ones as well. But internet cookies track your digital footprint and record your browsing history. This data is then used to provide you with advertising that the algorithm 'predicts' you'll like. In the Matrix, Neo eats the cookie 🍪, in Reloaded he eats the candy 🍬 , in Revolutions he declined the offer.
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The main thing is the cookies. It doesn't hurt that there were previous Ones as well. But internet cookies track your digital footprint and record your browsing history. This data is then used to provide you with advertising that the algorithm 'predicts' you'll like. In the Matrix, Neo eats the cookie 🍪, in Reloaded he eats the candy 🍬 , in Revolutions he declined the offer.
sincerelyreuben 26.6.2022. 20:47
Never thought about that, very interesting
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literal death 27.6.2022. 22:20
The matrix series is pretty cool
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Yes I like it lots
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Yes I like it lots
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.6.2022. 22:33
But we don't like m4, don't we lul
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But we don't like m4, don't we lul
You know how to troll me better than most ❤️
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I loved M4 and anyone who disagrees is welcome to their opinion!
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no judgement!
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I loved M4 and anyone who disagrees is welcome to their opinion!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.6.2022. 22:37
How dare you have an opinion!
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no judgement!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.6.2022. 22:37
I will judge you all the way to hell lul
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
I will judge you all the way to hell lul
I'm driving the bus there, so welcome aboard
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I'm driving the bus there, so welcome aboard
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.6.2022. 23:31
Any chance you're driving on the highway to hell?
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Any chance you're driving on the highway to hell?
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Goddamn, what did Bubbles do?
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Its a very lazy movie
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Hi
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Macrobius 3.7.2022. 7:50
I just came back from this. Holy hell it was AWESOME!!!
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I just came back from this. Holy hell it was AWESOME!!!
I went to this a few years ago and Don Davis was there. It was incredible!
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New Hot Toys figure
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deja dead 6.7.2022. 17:40
oh these are awesome
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I went to this a few years ago and Don Davis was there. It was incredible!
Macrobius 7.7.2022. 3:50
It was unbelievably amazing for sure!
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I just noticed John Gaeta removed Animatrix 2.0 from his Linkedin so so much for that
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New Hot Toys figure
Deleted User 12.7.2022. 1:59
This is the fifth Matrix product Hot Toys has made! All are excellent products
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Deleted User 12.7.2022. 2:07
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Just came out two days ago at Hallmark
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Two Matrix items from Hallmark being sold this year
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Deleted User 12.7.2022. 9:48
Why does it look like the plushie was smashed with a sledgehammer (edited)
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So the Matrix is now in the "Spaceballs the lunchbox" phase
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In Yogurt's voice: Merchandising! Merchandising! (edited)
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That is one ugly plushie tho.
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Hallmark Neo plushie....not exactly raging against the machine there
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.7.2022. 18:20
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hahahah
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Deleted User 13.7.2022. 0:28
Lmfao!
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deja dead 13.7.2022. 1:23
Deal of the day for Prime Members: The Ultimate Matrix Collection (Blu-ray) https://a.co/d/cVUcSka
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Is this the blu ray version of the 10 disk dvd set? For only $16.99 it’s a steal if so!!
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Deleted User 13.7.2022. 1:29
Yes
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Great deal
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Grabbed it. Everything I have is DVD except for a bargain bin triple feature blu-ray
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And Resurrections of course
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deja dead 13.7.2022. 2:35
Ordered!
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I was literally gonna watch some of the dvd collection today and then saw this. Guess I’ll wait a couple days for the Blu-ray to arrive!
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@deja dead thanks for the info
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.7.2022. 4:43
Damn. I should consider creating amazon account someday.
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@deja dead thanks for the info
deja dead 13.7.2022. 4:52
No prob!
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 14.7.2022. 14:44
Silly question is Blu-ray like... Worth it? Although you can only really get Blu-ray readers as like a seperate thing?
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Like... I only own a DVD drive on my laptop, laptops only really come with dvd so...
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At least they did lmao
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Ok you can get external readers at least that makes sense but basically is like the experience worth it?
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I'm 22 and I've absolutely become one of those "fucks sake, can't believe CDs and DVDs are becoming obsolete"
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Sorry lmao I've literally never looked into Blu-ray in my life
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The quality is immensely better than a DVD, but it also depends what kind of screen you’re watching on to get the full effect but like, you’ll notice things on bluray that you’ve never seen in a movie you’ve watched 100 times on dvd
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 14.7.2022. 20:49
That's really cool
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Any specific screen that is good or what makes it good? Like I have a 15" laptop screen. Is it like the resolution? Display type? Etc? That makes a difference?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
Any specific screen that is good or what makes it good? Like I have a 15" laptop screen. Is it like the resolution? Display type? Etc? That makes a difference?
yeah I think Bluray can handle HD resolution (1920x1080) up to 4K, whereas dvds are... 480? seeing mixed answers online but if you have anything that can handle 1080 and up, Bluray will look much better and clearer than dvd
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I got my bluray collection yesterday and it's looking sharp!
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Deleted User 19.7.2022. 2:40
Does anyone on here own 1 of the 400 Hot Toys Nebuchadnezzar that were produced in 2008? Japan Release
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Does anyone on here own 1 of the 400 Hot Toys Nebuchadnezzar that were produced in 2008? Japan Release
One of the rarer items I don’t have! I’ll get it eventually. Just got the APU by threezero which cleared out my savings 😆
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One of the rarer items I don’t have! I’ll get it eventually. Just got the APU by threezero which cleared out my savings 😆
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Just finally landed one! Been on the hunt for 14 years now! Number 234 out of 400
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One of the rarer items I don’t have! I’ll get it eventually. Just got the APU by threezero which cleared out my savings 😆
Deleted User 20.7.2022. 3:33
That APU from threezero is so damn amazing, so mad I missed it on initial release. I see a few for sale these days for $1000. One just popped up on Ebay for $700 but not willing to ship it.
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One of the rarer items I don’t have! I’ll get it eventually. Just got the APU by threezero which cleared out my savings 😆
Deleted User 20.7.2022. 3:35
Do you have the complete N2 Toys collection Series 1, 2, and 3?
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Do you have the complete N2 Toys collection Series 1, 2, and 3?
Yeah got all those
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 21.7.2022. 10:29
I sometimes with the Matrix franchise had more disability rep but also understand why it doesn't
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 29.7.2022. 11:02
The actor who played the Oracle died, I just came across an article
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Oh, the second oracle
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Gloria Foster and Mary Alice are chillin in the sky giving cryptic non-advice now
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RIP :(
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They were besties IRL that's why Mary Alice was cast
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Anybody met the Oracle in MxO around here?
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She gave me a cookie
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Long history together on stage. Double edged sword imo, where Mary Alice was the BEST person to replace her in that regard, but man...... I wasn't a fan of Mary Alice portraying that character. It had nothing to do with Gloria Foster just being the original, she had all the motherly warmth, wisdom, the clear conveyance of a love and fascination with human beings, etc. (edited)
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I felt Mary Alice had none of that :/
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I have huge doubts that's a 'hot take,' I have a feeling most hardcore Matrix fans feel that way except the outliers, or the ones that are determined to think it's all perfect because it's the matrix lol
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Not a hot take I said the same thing on my podcast
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She felt colder
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But maybe it was a Wachowski decision to make her that way
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It’s war time + she got attacked by Merv
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Who knows
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I honestly thought the decision was solely based on respect for Gloria Foster. Couldn't find any other redeeming qualities, she was just a stiff, crummy actress.
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Like reading into her crappy performance seems like imagining choices that weren't made
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 29.7.2022. 19:04
I didn't know they were besties irl
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It's pretty sad that Gloria Foster died pretty young
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It's obviously sad when people die but afaik Mary Alice was like 85 and died of natural causes.
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I honestly thought the decision was solely based on respect for Gloria Foster. Couldn't find any other redeeming qualities, she was just a stiff, crummy actress.
I wouldn't go that far. She was a legend of the stage, won a bunch of awards including the biggest ones.
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She was called last minute to replace a friend who just died on a huge blockbuster and a video game
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On stage, yes. She just didn't fit the character in any way at all
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probably without knowing anything about the lore or previous movie
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They were both legends and worked together a ton
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also they made her smoke cigarettes with no smoke
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it's weird
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Huh, not even the herbal cigs they make actors smoke?
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How did I not notice this
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it's when she smokes before Smith Smithes her
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huh
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no shit
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I just got the 6 disc UlTiMatE cOlLeCtIon bluray so it's time for a rewatch
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I have the big 10 DVD thing from back in the days
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lightning deal on Prime for 16 bucks, couldn't pass it up since ALL of my matrix shit is DVD except a bargain bin triple feature
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I don't have that big set, but have a bunch of other stuff. Still gonna keep it all obv lol
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I have all the movies on Bluray but without the bonuses
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It's not like other movies where you replace it with DVD/HD and give your DVD to someone
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Yeah that's what I've got
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just bought Resurrections
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The bargain bin triple feature bluray which has nothing
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Well, what I had until now, now I have the super pimp edition
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But even that lame thing I'm gonna keep for collections sake
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The Matrix takes a ridiculous amount of space on my DVD shelves lol
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I also have a bunch of books
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and the comics
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and my Keanu shrine
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My comics are on a different shelf
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But the DVD shelf is different Matrix editions (I wish I still had my VHS of the original), Johnny Mnemonic, Cloud Atlas, V for Vendetta, the John Wick flicks, Nobody, Dark City, The Crow (because Alex Proyas, I organize my shit by director when possible)
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Oh and Constantine is in there. Nothing to do with any of it except Keanu Reeves
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That's the top left corner, has been the 'Matrix and Connected Works' section since like, the early 2000s
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Wish Alex Proyas made more good movies (edited)
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He's got a great style
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Well, had
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Cool af
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I have a lot of pics with famous people because of my old job but that's the only one I would frame and put in my living room
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Are the rest court sketches? (edited)
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yes, of you
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Sweetmeat Shade 3.8.2022. 5:40
they're mine now
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Deleted User 4.8.2022. 0:48
I am looking to purchase the Trinity one know where to find one?
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Yep got those
Deleted User 4.8.2022. 0:49
How's the updated collection video coming along?
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Saw the OG in theaters in Tokyo today
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First time seeing it on the big screen. This may be the best day of my life
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Reloaded is next week :’)
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I also had no idea Choi’s name was Choi. I thought the subtitles were wrong when I read “チョイ” I always thought his name was Troy
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I am looking to purchase the Trinity one know where to find one?
Just keep an eye out on eBay
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How's the updated collection video coming along?
Good thanks. I’ve got everything out of the two attics it was stored in. Just gotta arrange it in one of my small rooms and start filming! Going to take hours to go through it all 😆 (edited)
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First time seeing it on the big screen. This may be the best day of my life
So glad you’re getting to experience it on the big screen. I had to sneak in to it at 13 to see it as it was 15 rating in the U.K. I’ve managed to see it with a live orchestra, on the U.K.’s largest giant cinema screen and if you ever get the chance watch it in 4DX where the seats move and they shoot out water, have strobe lights and fans. That was such a wild experience!
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Just keep an eye out on eBay
Deleted User 9.8.2022. 14:27
Yeah ebay seems like the best place to find one I will keep checking there
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Good thanks. I’ve got everything out of the two attics it was stored in. Just gotta arrange it in one of my small rooms and start filming! Going to take hours to go through it all 😆 (edited)
Deleted User 9.8.2022. 14:28
Nice! I am so looking forward to seeing your updated collection! You still have your unopened Powerade? 😆
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Nice! I am so looking forward to seeing your updated collection! You still have your unopened Powerade? 😆
Haha yeah that’s still there! The bottle is a little warped and the colour less green but it’s still unopened. 😆
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Haha yeah that’s still there! The bottle is a little warped and the colour less green but it’s still unopened. 😆
Deleted User 9.8.2022. 14:31
Lol that is amazing that Powerade is turning 20 years old next year haha whenever you upload the video please let me know
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Lol that is amazing that Powerade is turning 20 years old next year haha whenever you upload the video please let me know
Will do. I plan on posting it on the different matrix discords and Reddit so you’ll definitely be the first to know.
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Will do. I plan on posting it on the different matrix discords and Reddit so you’ll definitely be the first to know.
Deleted User 9.8.2022. 14:33
I am sure you saw the first official Matrix board game just announced right?
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Reloaded is next week :’)
Deleted User 9.8.2022. 14:39
That is amazing! Would love to see them all again on the big screen
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So glad you’re getting to experience it on the big screen. I had to sneak in to it at 13 to see it as it was 15 rating in the U.K. I’ve managed to see it with a live orchestra, on the U.K.’s largest giant cinema screen and if you ever get the chance watch it in 4DX where the seats move and they shoot out water, have strobe lights and fans. That was such a wild experience!
that sounds incredible, oh my 🥲
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I am sure you saw the first official Matrix board game just announced right?
What!!! my friends and I LOVE the Alien Legendary Encounters. Can't wait for this
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What!!! my friends and I LOVE the Alien Legendary Encounters. Can't wait for this
Deleted User 9.8.2022. 15:06
Yes! Finally we get an official Matrix tabletop game! Only took 23 years!
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I am sure you saw the first official Matrix board game just announced right?
When does it come out!? (edited)
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When does it come out!? (edited)
Deleted User 10.8.2022. 1:52
No official release date yet unfortunately
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Ahhh hopefully soon
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Deleted User 10.8.2022. 2:12
Hopefully by end of year
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I am sure you saw the first official Matrix board game just announced right?
Metalogic 10.8.2022. 2:13
I really hope they let you play as more than just the human resistance.
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I really hope they let you play as more than just the human resistance.
Deleted User 10.8.2022. 2:13
Me too
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Metalogic 10.8.2022. 2:14
C'mon Cypherite faction!
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Ive been reading a little about it - seems like you play hero characters from the movies
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the first 3 movies
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C'mon Cypherite faction!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 11.8.2022. 17:26
So you'd blow up anyone who wants to be free? Screw you man lul
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So you'd blow up anyone who wants to be free? Screw you man lul
Nah, just those who are already free and lie about what The Desert of The Real is really like.
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Nah, just those who are already free and lie about what The Desert of The Real is really like.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 11.8.2022. 17:35
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Nuts for nuts!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 11.8.2022. 17:36
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just saw Reloaded in theaters for first time since it released and I was just a kid (edited)
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After seeing the original matrix just last week in theaters, and having not watched the trilogy back to back in a few years, I totally get why the 2nd movie isn't regarded nearly as highly as the first
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the original, imo, is much more carefully constructed. the writing and directing are much sharper and purposeful. I still absolutely adore reloaded and revolutions, but the matrix is on a different level from those two
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(I refuse to acknowledge whatever the 4th one was called which I've already forgotten)
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also, once they give Neo God-mode powers, the sequels kind of lose a lot of suspense. The terror and power that Agents provoked in the first movie simply isn't there in the last two movies. "if you see an agent, you do what we all do: run" doesn't apply after the first movie, and it loses a lot of suspense because of that
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Sweetmeat Shade 12.8.2022. 13:20
GODDAMNIT, HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS
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Deleted User 12.8.2022. 16:52
If anybody lives in the Seattle Area the Egyptian Theater in downtown is having a Matrix Marathon tomorrow they are playing 1-4 all day tomorrow starting at 11am
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SIFF Cinema Egyptian features a wide array of independent film, documentaries, and restored classics.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.8.2022. 22:36
Looks like trick to me lul
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Sweetmeat Shade 14.8.2022. 0:30
This is a horrble day to not be living in seattle
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Metalogic 14.8.2022. 0:40
Wish I was already living in Spokane with my girlfriend. "Hey honey, I'm going to drive to the other side of the state to see The Matrix Trilogy in theaters."
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Wish I was already living in Spokane with my girlfriend. "Hey honey, I'm going to drive to the other side of the state to see The Matrix Trilogy in theaters."
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.8.2022. 0:46
I mean, if she doesn't understand this then she's not the right one anyway.
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Metalogic 14.8.2022. 0:46
Hahaha, she would either come with me, or say "Have a nice time boo."
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When you don’t pay enough attention to what your buying…
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.8.2022. 0:05
My shirt please
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Finally part of my collection
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Macrobius 26.8.2022. 4:30
Omg that’s awesome!!
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Finally part of my collection
Deleted User 28.8.2022. 18:06
Threezero knocked it out of the park with this piece easily up there with the Nebuchadnezzar from Hot Toys I love it so much!
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Threezero knocked it out of the park with this piece easily up there with the Nebuchadnezzar from Hot Toys I love it so much!
Did you manage to get one?
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Deleted User 28.8.2022. 18:26
I finally located one that I will be purchasing soon if everything goes smoothly
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Could not convince that one on ebay to ship it unfortunately
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Has anyone got a HD version or know where to get one of a super cut of Reloaded and Enter the Matrix live action scenes?
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Nora_Kisaragi 2.9.2022. 1:45
Hello!
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I'm new here
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Metalogic 2.9.2022. 1:49
Welcome to the desert of...the real.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 2.9.2022. 1:55
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Nora_Kisaragi 2.9.2022. 1:58
I watched The Matrix as a kid
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Now i'm ready to flip the tables and find the Real Matrix
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The real Matrix was the friends you made along the way
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Nora_Kisaragi 3.9.2022. 1:28
I'm of the current belief due to japanese culture that we have only seen half of the matrix 1, and there's an entirely different film hiding in it. that's the real matrix (to me).
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Sweetmeat Shade 3.9.2022. 3:16
n i c e
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Metalogic 3.9.2022. 3:19
Capitalism is the real matrix, Karl Marx was right.
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I've watched the matrix more times than I can count since I was about half the height I currently am. Last Thursday I saw it in cinema for the first time on 35mm film. It felt like a long time coming, but was so very worth it.
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Ready for the YouTube update! (edited)
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Ready for the YouTube update! (edited)
Joshua007 5.9.2022. 16:53
Dear God... I'm invested show me more!
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Dear God... I'm invested show me more!
Will post the link when it’s finished
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Sweetmeat Shade 5.9.2022. 18:29
One day I swear I’m gonna buy every single piece of matrix merch I can find at hot topic
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Anyone else left the theater on the last one or am I the only one who hates resurrections
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im going to beat you to death with a stick
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Anyone else left the theater on the last one or am I the only one who hates resurrections
I got it from the library, both me and my fam agreed it was good for 2022 sci fi, but for matrix it was bad
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Anyone else left the theater on the last one or am I the only one who hates resurrections
Joshua007 7.9.2022. 17:30
Hate it myself. Bad movie, bad movie just bad in general.
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me and my family agree that m4 is a ok sci fi film, better than most of the shit they pumped out this year for movies, but a shitty matrix film
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im going to beat you to death with a stick
Sweetmeat Shade 7.9.2022. 23:44
amazing, i am turning into a smith clone as I type
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I am going to beat you to death with a stick breathtaking
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Sweetmeat Shade 8.9.2022. 5:19
ouch (edited)
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What's better, the 4 live action matrix films or the trilogy+Animatrix
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What's better, the 4 live action matrix films or the trilogy+Animatrix
Trilogy+Animatrix, hands down. It's not even a contest.
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Trilogy+Animatrix, hands down. It's not even a contest.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 11.9.2022. 23:47
Truer words have never been spoken.
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zenconnection 12.9.2022. 1:02
i quite like Resurrections but yeah if youre gonna frame it like that the right choice is clearly trilogy+Animatrix lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2022. 1:03
MxO is the only true M4.
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aethxphir 12.9.2022. 1:04
Matrix online?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.9.2022. 1:05
That's the one.
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you can like animatrix and the original trilogy without turning the argument into bashing resurrections
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I like all five
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Yea, but it's more fun
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Nora_Kisaragi 13.9.2022. 19:24
Preparing my lawsuit over The Matrix 1. Still keeping my promise.
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I'm hoping to expose the second side of The Matrix, since it's way too difficult to do on your own. It's like winning the lottery, and the prize is a whole new movie.
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What the fuck did I just read?
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I'm sending this to my lawyer friend
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aethxphir 14.9.2022. 6:43
Matrix
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Sweetmeat Shade 14.9.2022. 6:47
Goofy ahh
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.9.2022. 16:27
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Nice, can you add in 20$ for making mxo non cannon with one wave of a ““After the siege he was elected unanimously high chair of the council”
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My discs are worthless now 🥲
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aethxphir 15.9.2022. 9:56
The matrix doesn't really feel like a trilogy. More of a duology. 2/3 are basically one long movie
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You know, I'm surprised no one ever made a rudimentary shotgun in The Matrix Universe. It's the simplest firearm you can make & it could totally be fully electrical.
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Hel, a railgun shotgun would be deadly in the wrong hands.
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No recoil, no black powder, just load in the shots & happy hunting
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Actually the matrix kind of is a trilogy, but it goes 1) Animatrix (at least the ones that take place before M1) 2. Matrix 1 3. Matrix sequels (which are best seen as one movie imo
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Oh wrong channel
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Nora_Kisaragi 15.9.2022. 22:51
@aethxphir i can get behind that order
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Who finds the reincarnation two short movies depressing as hell
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It’s just makes me depressed
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They could have easily ended the war beforehand with actually accepting them in the un (edited)
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@everyone who agrees
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You know, I'm surprised no one ever made a rudimentary shotgun in The Matrix Universe. It's the simplest firearm you can make & it could totally be fully electrical.
like this?
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like this?
Metalogic 16.9.2022. 4:36
That's inside The Matrix though, I'm talking in The Desert of The Real. Sorry, I should've clarified.
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That's inside The Matrix though, I'm talking in The Desert of The Real. Sorry, I should've clarified.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.9.2022. 4:39
What would you do with it tho? Wouldn't make a dent in a sentinel before he drags you away.
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What would you do with it tho? Wouldn't make a dent in a sentinel before he drags you away.
Metalogic 16.9.2022. 4:42
Well if you're someone like Cypher, it'd be a good way to kill your fellow crewmates.
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Well if you're someone like Cypher, it'd be a good way to kill your fellow crewmates.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.9.2022. 4:42
I keep forgetting you're a traitor to your own race. lul
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Metalogic 16.9.2022. 4:42
lol
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I just like to have fun, and playing the good side is boring
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I just like to have fun, and playing the good side is boring
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.9.2022. 4:43
Hunting cypherites is fun tho.
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Actually the matrix kind of is a trilogy, but it goes 1) Animatrix (at least the ones that take place before M1) 2. Matrix 1 3. Matrix sequels (which are best seen as one movie imo
I would not watch it in that order for a first time viewing. The revelation in Matrix 1 is too important to ruin it with Second Renaissance.
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After you watched the films the first time, this is the order I would re-watch them in. 1) The Second Renaissance (Part 1 and 2) 2) The Matrix 3) Final Flight of the Osiris 4) Kid's Story 5) Reloaded 6) Revolutions 7) MxO Cinematics
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After you watched the films the first time, this is the order I would re-watch them in. 1) The Second Renaissance (Part 1 and 2) 2) The Matrix 3) Final Flight of the Osiris 4) Kid's Story 5) Reloaded 6) Revolutions 7) MxO Cinematics
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.9.2022. 14:17
I need to try that order someday. thonk It makes a lot of sense.
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I need to try that order someday. thonk It makes a lot of sense.
That is literally the chronological order of events in The Matrix Universe. 😛
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.9.2022. 14:19
I know. But I never bothered to watch it that way. 😄
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I gotcha lol
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Actually the matrix kind of is a trilogy, but it goes 1) Animatrix (at least the ones that take place before M1) 2. Matrix 1 3. Matrix sequels (which are best seen as one movie imo
where does ETM fit in?
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aethxphir 17.9.2022. 4:50
Never
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where does ETM fit in?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.9.2022. 5:02
ETM story happen throughout the M2 movie. It's sorta an extension of the movie. They've been filmed pretty much at the same time. (edited)
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If I remember correctly some of the codes for hacking minigame were hidden somewhere on the billboards in the movie.
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ETM story happen throughout the M2 movie. It's sorta an extension of the movie. They've been filmed pretty much at the same time. (edited)
Oh, so flight of the osiris is set before m2 or...
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Oh, so flight of the osiris is set before m2 or...
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.9.2022. 15:04
Yes, just before.
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I think Enter The Matrix takes place alongside M2 and M3, because there is that cut scene with The Trainman.
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I think Enter The Matrix takes place alongside M2 and M3, because there is that cut scene with The Trainman.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 17.9.2022. 16:54
Hmm, this is possible M2 and M3 were also filmed in a short timespan, no?
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Yep, back to back
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Hmm, this is possible M2 and M3 were also filmed in a short timespan, no?
did filming for m2, m3, and ETM live action cutscenes start right after m1 was released or nah
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No. Scripts weren’t finalized until early 01. Filming started late that year I believe. (edited)
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01? You mean the machine city
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Metalogic 18.9.2022. 1:15
Yep, the first machine city
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but I think @Gami meant 01 as in 2001.
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Correct.
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zenconnection 19.9.2022. 3:04
ETM is a little weird because it has filmed scenes that contradict the events of the movies slightly
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the meeting underground at the start of M2 plays out differently is the main one im thinking of
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01 was actually a country if u have watched animatrix
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They tried to enter the un but well you know the rest
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I think Zero One was a city-state. It was a city that was it's own country
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I hate the humans like they could have stopped a war if they didn’t kill the embassadors like they could have let them in the UN but humans are insane and love genocide and war (edited)
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Hello my names better call Saul
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Nora_Kisaragi 26.9.2022. 20:11
So I started my attempts on the Amazon Prime Video version of the matrix
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I'm hoping the secret is acccessible on it and I don't need the DVD for it. There's a hint -- the DVD has a way to add a rabbit to the movie I heard.
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I doubt it, that's just an 'extras' mode that you hit 'enter' on your remote whenever the rabbit icon appears and it plays a short behind the scenes clip, then returns to the movie. There are several of them throughout the film
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Like the way some DVDs would show a scissors icon if you activated that mode and you can hit it to show a scene that was deleted there
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I want to say Fight Club does it that way
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Nora_Kisaragi 26.9.2022. 20:18
Good to know
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I could buy the DVD if necessary and play it on my playstation 4
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My current theory is pushing pause/play at specific points, but amazon prime video has limitations in this regard. Amazon Prime Video doesn't have an easy way to resume where you left off, restricting the ability to do stop/restart at specific points.
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Whenever a unique object appears on screen (such as the cellphone Morpheus FedEx's to Neo), i hit pause/play and see if that's it
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Not much to go on, but that's the nature of this.
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The rabbit was an actual button though, that's why hitting 'enter' played the clip
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I don't think Prime has a mechanism for playing a specific other clip and then coming back, let alone allowing the user to trigger it
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Amazon Video, whatever
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Nora_Kisaragi 26.9.2022. 20:23
Amazon Prime Video doesn't have an equivalent to the enter button. The VHS didn't either. So the VHS version of The Matrix is my shining hope that Amazon Prime Video still has it as possible
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You'd have to think though, if there was a hidden movie on the VHS shouldn't it be easy to find? People woulda looked on the tape
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There was a whole feature at the end that was pretty cool, but you're pretty limited when it's linear media
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not many places to hide things
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not like CDs where you could have hidden tracks a few different ways, like track 99, or have the end of the last track be like 40 mins of silence and then another song
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It'd be super expensive to hide something on VHS that way (or just run it in SLP and make it look like shit so you use less tape for the movie) lol (edited)
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Make it an hour longer than it needs to be haha
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Nora_Kisaragi 26.9.2022. 20:27
Haha
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I don't know enough about how VHS's work
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I know the other side exists in japanese videogames, and The Matrix does videogames too, it'd be weird if they had it only on the videogames and not the movie. Doesn't make logical sense to me.
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deja dead 3.10.2022. 6:26
DANNY FUCKIN’ BOYLE. This is the greatest news I’ve ever heard haha
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DANNY FUCKIN’ BOYLE. This is the greatest news I’ve ever heard haha
Spoken to the creators and they’re gonna get me tickets to the opening 🎉
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Ceege
Spoken to the creators and they’re gonna get me tickets to the opening 🎉
That’s amazing!! 🔥 Do you know how long it will be running? May be up around that area late November…
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Spoken to the creators and they’re gonna get me tickets to the opening 🎉
HumanBeing 4.10.2022. 8:42
Are you serious or joking lol
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Are you serious or joking lol
Serious. Sent them my collection and they said they want to interview me in the run up to the show and give me tickets to the opening
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Serious. Sent them my collection and they said they want to interview me in the run up to the show and give me tickets to the opening
HumanBeing 4.10.2022. 9:00
Please promise us you'll try everything you can to convince them to take the red pill and continue the franchise!
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That’s amazing!! 🔥 Do you know how long it will be running? May be up around that area late November…
I’m not sure sorry
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Please promise us you'll try everything you can to convince them to take the red pill and continue the franchise!
I think the franchise may have died with Resurrections sadly. We’ll just get tributes to the original film via different creative arts like this I reckon.
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I think the franchise may have died with Resurrections sadly. We’ll just get tributes to the original film via different creative arts like this I reckon.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.10.2022. 16:24
And thank goodness for that. It should have been left alone after M3 with MxO being canon. But these days no franchise can simply have well deserved rest. It always has to be picked up and killed.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
And thank goodness for that. It should have been left alone after M3 with MxO being canon. But these days no franchise can simply have well deserved rest. It always has to be picked up and killed.
If anything they should’ve just given us a live action series based on the original machine uprising in Animatrix or just another Animatrix and left the Neo chapter closed.
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If anything they should’ve just given us a live action series based on the original machine uprising in Animatrix or just another Animatrix and left the Neo chapter closed.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.10.2022. 16:26
Aye, that would have definitely worked out better. The world and characters would probably get a better treatment this way and would be better fleshed out. But WB wanted to do another movie no matter what, so there was no way for it to succeed.
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Aye, that would have definitely worked out better. The world and characters would probably get a better treatment this way and would be better fleshed out. But WB wanted to do another movie no matter what, so there was no way for it to succeed.
As soon as they read Lana’s middle finger up script WB should’ve pulled out
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As soon as they read Lana’s middle finger up script WB should’ve pulled out
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 4.10.2022. 16:28
Probably didn't bother to read. 😄 Just have taken it for granted.
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I think the franchise may have died with Resurrections sadly. We’ll just get tributes to the original film via different creative arts like this I reckon.
HumanBeing 5.10.2022. 0:53
They said it was dead after Revolutions!
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It's a huge universe and it belongs to the whole world. A lot of people say we were better off without Resurrections
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But consider the fact that in the past 6 months, we have freed more minds than in the past 6 years
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I believe very soon the prophecy will be fulfilled and this war will end.
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In all seriousness though, imagine all the kids and people born after Revolutions that had never even heard of the Matrix until Resurrections came around
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They’ll be thinking I’m not sure what the big deal was if they see resurrections 😆
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HumanBeing 5.10.2022. 5:12
It's more about the ideas and philosophy behind the movies. Even if people think all the movies sucked, even the first one For example, The Matrix is actually a real thing in today's world (its not a simulation) (edited)
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Is this a specific symbol or sign? It is from the the Matrix Revolutions Intro.
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Is this a specific symbol or sign? It is from the the Matrix Revolutions Intro.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.10.2022. 16:08
That's essentially the map of Mega City.
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found something. It seems to be an astrologic-sign
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wow thx!
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deja dead 6.10.2022. 3:47
would love a Matrix series with the tone of Andor, anyone been watching that?
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would love a Matrix series with the tone of Andor, anyone been watching that?
HumanBeing 6.10.2022. 4:35
That would be amazing and that might what Lana Wachowski should have done instead of a movie
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HumanBeing 6.10.2022. 10:37
The Matrix is real. Today. It's just not a simulation with physical wires
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The Matrix has you...
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Sweetmeat Shade 6.10.2022. 20:32
I decided to go over to Avery’s house and run the original matrix on her PS2. Case straight up disintegrated in my hand, leaving only the DVD untouched
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HumanBeing 7.10.2022. 5:29
What does the "withdraw" emoji mean?
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HumanBeing 8.10.2022. 8:55
I'm sure you guys know Hugo Weaving was supposed to be in Resurrections. It was planned but there was a scheduling conflict
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
That's essentially the map of Mega City.
HumanBeing 8.10.2022. 8:56
That's super cool actually. MxO was a great foundation. Imagine what they could have done with a bigger budget, like The Matrix Awakens (edited)
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Sweetmeat Shade 10.10.2022. 17:12
I wrote the goofiest response to it
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 26.10.2022. 1:41
Well, it is his world.
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My thoughts on this glyph is that it represents Neo changing the Matrix. That glyph is in that opening and the Mega city map for reloaded and MxO. That’s it
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I dunno, seems to be a bit of a stretch.
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It only appears after Neo fundamentally changes the course of the cycles and taps into the source
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Even the oracle could t see past the end. When Neo chose the other door, it was a new beginning.
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TrippinMeowt 30.10.2022. 9:31
I just got finished with the franchise of Matrix. Absolutely beautiful of a movie. Does anyone have a favorite character from the movies? How did you feel about the movies?
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I hate them
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Especially the first one
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Overrated af
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TrippinMeowt 30.10.2022. 20:04
Okay, anyways. I really enjoyed the second one.
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Sorry I was messing with you haha
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What made you like the second one more
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JoyceSilverstar 31.10.2022. 13:41
The Original Trilogy is Good, I only dislike Matrix 4.
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any more animatrix 2.0 leaks?
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zenconnection 31.10.2022. 15:54
nope. likely cancelled tbh
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Especially the first one
Sweetmeat Shade 4.11.2022. 21:03
I can’t tell if you’re serious, sarcastic, or a traitor l
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Anyways, I like Agent Smith the most.
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any more animatrix 2.0 leaks?
HumanBeing 4.11.2022. 21:44
It lives. In John Gaeta's head
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nope. likely cancelled tbh
dang
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Deleted User 12.11.2022. 23:06
ahh
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rewatched revolutions today
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because it was on tv (i live in croatia lol)
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Sweetmeat Shade 13.11.2022. 8:57
JEALOUS
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It’s 2 > half of 3 > then cut to 1 > Matriculated > then 4 > then the last half of 3 > finalized by the Niobe Persephone kiss scene from EtM
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People this is good joke
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This is something that was probably obvious to some of y'all on first watch, but recently I noticed how cheeky the transition to Mouse talking about the girl in the red dress he programmed is. They start off talking about the food and one of them says "it has everything the body needs" and Mouse says "it doesn't have the everything the body needs" and then asks Neo if he saw her. I just registered him saying that as complaining about the food before, but now I am pretty sure the idea is it is an innuendo, that he is implying bodies also need sex.
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And on a completely different topic, this may have been talked about to death already by others, but wow is the scene with the Oracle so well written and performed, it's really got layers upon layers to it. First of all, there's this aspect where everything the Oracle does has a cold reading aspect to it for the most part, and so if you were watching for the first time I would imagine you'd have no idea whether to trust her. She says "I know you're Neo", which might not even be 'prophetic' but it sounds like it. She asks him to wait next to a precariously placed vase, predicts he is going to break the vase, then he breaks the vase. Not that hard to predict when you have influence over where the vase goes. She says a girl likes him, he says who, and she says "not to bright?" which again is an easy cold read, lots of people have crushes and many tend to be of the opposite sex. She also simply refuses to tell him whether he is the One, she waits for him to say it. She says he has "the potential" which means either way her prediction is right. It's all pretty classic cold reading type stuff. Her only actual prediction, that Morpheus or Neo would die, is sort of wrong. I mean, sure Neo is resurrected so arguably he dies and chose to sacrifice himself, but that's arguable both ways IMO. .
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However, on top of that the Oracle interestingly seems to draw attention to that. When she dismisses "how did you know?" with "what's really gonna bake your noodle later on is whether you would have broken it if I hadn't said anything" can be read as an allusion to that. She examines his eyes like a doctor and makes him say "ah", pretends to read his palms. She starts saying "I'm supposed to say" and "you're supposed to say". It's a fascinating choice, why does she choose to draw attention to this stuff just to poke fun at it? Well, I think a lot of it is meant to be a sort of negative instruction. She wants him to doubt what she says, to believe that Morpheus can be saved and be can come back. He needs to believe in his own free will, even though he paradoxically also needs to be "waiting", waiting for Morpheus to be killed as if it were true, to be prepaired. He needs to both believe and not believe, so the Oracle needs to be right and wrong. She doesn't know, you know. Temet Nosce. Comparable to Zen instruction with Koans.
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Did she frame her own insight as cold readings to make him reveal what he knows about himself, to test him? By saying he has the potential but is waiting, does she make him start to wait for his opportunity to become the One? Did she know, or was there a possibility he would fail and she would wait for another potential to put into a situation they might become actualized in. Part of the reason it should bake our noodle whether he would have broken the vase if she said nothing is that her prophecies carry power by the authority of her position as "the Oracle", she is part of the system like the Architect and influence can become control. Even when fighting the system there is an element within it, and so we have to wonder to what extent we should trust the Oracle. It's hard to say what design she is ultimately working to I think, its not that I would really suspect her of being "bad" or villainous all things considered (across media), but whatever it is I think it is certainly beyond our understanding.
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There’s a fanmade 3D conversion of the original matrix, as well as the matrix reloaded and resurrections gonna see how it looks today
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Watched Resurrections for the first time a year ago today
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In theater too
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.1.2023. 22:27
What did Agent Johnson mean when he said "the informant is real" at the beginning of the first one?
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angelthanatos 4.1.2023. 22:39
i think hes referring to trinity?
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idk
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.1.2023. 22:44
Sorry I'm just watching it again and realising I missed random lines I don't get
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Like switch saying "it's our way or the highway" after Neo doesn't want to cooperate in the car
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.1.2023. 22:53
You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. - what
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
What did Agent Johnson mean when he said "the informant is real" at the beginning of the first one?
Cypher was in contact with the agents (or at the very least Smith) by that point (edited)
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
Like switch saying "it's our way or the highway" after Neo doesn't want to cooperate in the car
Just a figure of speech, cooperate or leave
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. - what
'ironically this is not far from the truth.' In other words 'You look like you think you might be dreaming' (edited)
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Ironically, he sort of is
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And will wake up soon
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Cypher was in contact with the agents (or at the very least Smith) by that point (edited)
Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.1.2023. 23:49
Ohhhh
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Well not necessarily Smith, probably just agents
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.1.2023. 23:50
How do you know or is it just inferred from that part?
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They don't come right out and say it, but from the moment you meet Cypher his main characteristic is resenting his choice of taking the red pill, wishing he could take it back. 'Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.' Plus when Neo walks in on him doing something on the screens and he turns them off
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He's obviously setting something up before he actually meets with smith and agrees to betray Morpheus, that didn't happen just like that
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He's the only one that could possibly be the informant they're talking about, feeding them information. Dude wants back in
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 4.1.2023. 23:57
So they knew that Cypher was doing stuff intentionally
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Like obviously he was but by that point they could have just been like "Oh Cyper is just this dude who's really crap at his job and makes it easier for us"
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Yeah I never got that impression. Cypher deliberately gave them info, and then it got much more overt (like the cell phone in the trash can)
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They don't come right out and say it, but from the moment you meet Cypher his main characteristic is resenting his choice of taking the red pill, wishing he could take it back. 'Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.' Plus when Neo walks in on him doing something on the screens and he turns them off
angelthanatos 5.1.2023. 0:00
this is something i only noticed after watching the film like 3 times LOL
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That's one of the things I dig about that flick, I definitely didn't notice that on the first view. But I've seen it a zillion times
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angelthanatos 5.1.2023. 0:03
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i feel like i notice new things and make up new theories every time i watch
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especially when im high (edited)
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8 8 B A K U 8 8 5.1.2023. 19:18
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Exactly
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Exactly
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Metalogic 6.1.2023. 4:14
Didn't really need to repeat yourself there
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Yeah idk what happened but it is 200% true so it does make sense that it’d send twice
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 11.1.2023. 0:36
Hold on
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Deleted User 11.1.2023. 0:39
It was cypher 100%
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The informant
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I mean the movie makes it super clear
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 11.1.2023. 2:54
Sorry I was going to say that Enter the Matrix has a gay scene because I was watching the footage on The Matrix Reloaded Revisited which probably belongs in games more than here
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I got distracted by the documentary after writing hold on
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Metalogic 11.1.2023. 2:57
What are y'all even talking about?
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 11.1.2023. 3:01
Cyper or the gayness?
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Metalogic 11.1.2023. 3:09
Both
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Deleted User 11.1.2023. 3:46
....
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Whats happening
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 12.1.2023. 7:55
I was trying to figure out who the informant was in the first matrix as referred to by the Agents, it was Cypher
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Second part refers to a cutscene from enter the matrix where Persephone asks for a kiss from Niobe
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Anyways, I like Agent Smith the most.
Deleted User 12.1.2023. 11:02
He is the one
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 15.1.2023. 8:08
In the second Matrix where Neo is saying the prophecy was a lie and Morpheus asks him who said that and he goes "it doesn't matter, I believed him". Why doesn't he just explain who the architect is?
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No time. There plan was for nothing and Zion’s got only a few hours left before it’s destroyed.
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Sweetmeat Shade 21.1.2023. 13:09
I just started laughing my ass off at this 1 star review of the matrix I found. At first it sounds like a pretty normal but very angry critic, but then there’s this line. “They don’t even have a Fortnite simulation!”
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 21.1.2023. 19:09
Why did Neo act so surprised when the Architect told him he was in the 6th version of the Matrix. So many programs make references to other versions all the time
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He didn't put it all together until that scene.
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
Why did Neo act so surprised when the Architect told him he was in the 6th version of the Matrix. So many programs make references to other versions all the time
The Merv is the only one to hint at predecessors plural. Morpheus does tell him he’s a reincarnation of the first One but not one to that point knew it had been a series. Neo likely interpreted Mervs statement as being in reference to people before Neo thought to be The One.
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Fun fact though, the script for Reloaded involves a short conversation between Neo asking the Oracle about the guy before him.
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Fun fact though, the script for Reloaded involves a short conversation between Neo asking the Oracle about the guy before him.
Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 21.1.2023. 22:25
Wonder why they didn't include it, it sounds really interesting
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Actress that played the Oracle died during production on the sequels
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Fun fact though, the script for Reloaded involves a short conversation between Neo asking the Oracle about the guy before him.
Could’ve made for a cool movie
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.1.2023. 6:23
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wouldn’t it be funny if I unarchived resurrections, posted this single image, and then rearchived it
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would’ve been talked about more if it was a certified banger
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wouldn’t it be funny if I unarchived resurrections, posted this single image, and then rearchived it
Sorry, only myself and my agents can do that.
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Deleted User 1.2.2023. 18:08
I feel has if resurrections should have been a soft reboot
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Metalogic 1.2.2023. 18:58
I feel like Resurrection tried to do too many things at one time.
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Sometimes it felt like a soft reboot, sometimes it felt like a sequel, other times it felt like a critique against Warner Bros.
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Deleted User 2.2.2023. 0:04
I think Resurrections is just a "passion" project and since Wasausky sisters, Kenny and Fisherprice are friends they said f it why not
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I don't think they are rebooting shit
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Deleted User 2.2.2023. 1:01
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I think Resurrections is just a "passion" project and since Wasausky sisters, Kenny and Fisherprice are friends they said f it why not
Sweetmeat Shade 3.2.2023. 22:32
This sounds like something I’d type while drunk and when I’ve sobered up I wonder what the fuck I wrote (edited)
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Deleted User 3.2.2023. 22:46
Hahahahahhahaha
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wouldn’t it be funny if I unarchived resurrections, posted this single image, and then rearchived it
Sweetmeat Shade 4.2.2023. 22:01
EXTREMELY late context: read one of the last messages in chat
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Beachhead 5.2.2023. 5:44
So I just watched "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind" completely randomly because my daughter has been on an Anime kick and we've been watching stuff. And I'm amazed how much of this was completely ripped off for Matrix 2 and 3. Especially 3 of which the ending is very very similar both in story and style.
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Kind of disappointing to see how much they took from this for Matrix.
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Deleted User 5.2.2023. 9:48
Wait what
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Some interesting revelations in here. But ignore the stupid clickbait video image, nobody stole anything from anyone. It’s not even mentioned in the video! (edited)
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Interesting reason Jet Li turned the down the role of Seraph… and even more interesting who they originally approached for the part!
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Deleted User 5.2.2023. 21:05
I mean
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Nausica manga is older
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And the wasausage sisters are big manga:/anime fans
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One could also say they took heavy inspiration from mangas (edited)
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Wasn't matrix based on a Manga anyway?
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Wasn't matrix based on a Manga anyway?
Metalogic 5.2.2023. 21:29
The Wachowskis took inspiration from a lot of different sources.
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Deleted User 5.2.2023. 21:31
Yeah, thats why i don't think its fair saying Nausica is a rip off, of matrix
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Same goes for the Soulsborne series of From Software
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It's heavily inspired in the manga Berserk yes, but also from other sources
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And music, using samples from old songs to create new ones
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Madona uses alot of ABBA samples
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Beachhead 6.2.2023. 18:26
No i'm saying Matrix 3 is a rip off of Nausica.
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Not the other way around obviously. Nausica came out in '84
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Deleted User 6.2.2023. 18:41
OHHHHHHHH
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LOL
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I understand now
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But yeah, i dont mind it
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I really love both films
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Sweetmeat Shade 7.2.2023. 4:25
wasausage bruh I love these nicknames you give to the wachowskis, im calling them the wasausages from now on
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Wasn't matrix based on a Manga anyway?
They put out a huge amount of webcomic and concept content just before the release of the first one (well... for a movie). I remember reading all of it over here in the UK and then had to wait another 3 months after the US had already had the movie for the actual release but it was so worth it. edit - just saw #matrix-comics 🙂 (edited)
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Sweetmeat Shade 11.2.2023. 18:48
Found this while thrifting
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Did you buy it?
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Sweetmeat Shade 15.2.2023. 20:52
Of course I did! I took the picture right before checking out
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Nice!
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real matrix movie
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Neo Potter
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Deleted User 28.2.2023. 19:34
Constantine + Neo would be a nice mashup
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ourladymetamagic 2.3.2023. 5:27
I have to say it... Matrix Resurrections is more compelling than all of Harry Potter combined.
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Just because of the... cough art.
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Deleted User 2.3.2023. 8:49
Heavily disagree
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Resurrections was OK at best as a standalone movie, as a sequel it was utter trash
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The 8 harry potter movies were actually very good considering is a set of 8 movies
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Tell me which sequel of movies (besides lord of the rings and matrix) are good
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Then again your opinion and mine, so it's all subjective
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angelthanatos 2.3.2023. 16:12
the matrix and harry potter are in a way directly contrasted given that one was made by trans people and the other by a transphobe
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lol
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Deleted User 2.3.2023. 18:23
I mean what people choose to believe and choose to do with their lives
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Its their choice not ours to have an opinion on
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Nic Der Hund 2.3.2023. 19:47
Anyone with a Blu-ray copy of the trilogy: could you snatch me some screenshots of Merv, Trainman, The Keymaker, and maybe a few of the other legacy programs? I've only got the DVD copies and I would love to add some Matrix pics to my wallpaper folder
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I know I could Google my way through, but I'd rather see what y'all think are the best shots of them
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Not Blu Ray copies but just a few favorites
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Want me try ai art the matrix with fallout then see how that turns out
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Deleted User 4.3.2023. 4:01
That looks fucking aweaome
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Deleted User 4.3.2023. 18:40
Yes it does
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yea some how manage pull that off with ai not sure why can neo ones easly
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i try other characters from other movies even ones that not known much dosnt seem render them way they do
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Metalogic 6.3.2023. 6:06
If Smith and Jack Nicholson's Joker had a baby.
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Lord Fluffy Fuzzikins the Third 6.3.2023. 18:12
Hi, I’m not sure if this is the right channel to ask, but I was wondering if anyone knows where I can buy an Agent Code shirt? It looks stunning and has Smith’s face from the glitching monitors in revolutions. They used to be sold on the old TheMatrixShop.com site, but I can’t find them anywhere now. Or, does anyone know where I can find a high quality image so I can print my own. An odd question I know but I thought I should ask
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Sweetmeat Shade 8.3.2023. 0:57
I am feeling just a little bit devious on this fine day
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Sweetmeat Shade 8.3.2023. 1:01
“no more twin privileges for you”
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dont know what els can do with ai cant think of anything funny
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zenconnection 9.3.2023. 4:04
Effective altruism, videogame analysis, and other thoughts in-between.
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Joshua007 9.3.2023. 13:07
Did somebody here delete my commentary on the Merv?
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Metalogic 9.3.2023. 13:29
Not that I can tell.
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Deleted User 12.3.2023. 3:19
I need to rewatch the movies honestly
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I need to rewatch the movies honestly
Metalogic 12.3.2023. 3:55
Y'all don't do annual viewing of the original Trilogy, Animatrix, and EtM cutscenes?
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Deleted User 12.3.2023. 4:20
No hah
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i love matrix
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.3.2023. 21:49
Went to Disc Replay today with Avery to trade in my old 3DS and a couple computers for some games, and for the entire 30 minutes we waited for the dude to calculate the price of our computers, we got a good 300 bucks and went on a little bit of a shopping spree, bought some ps1 and ps2 games, along with a TON of PS5 games. I also got the Agent Smith funko pop!
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Apothocary 27.3.2023. 18:40
@i like dino nuggies It’s not a good film.
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i like dino nuggies 27.3.2023. 18:41
well ill watch it anyways i wanna watch all matrix
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wait
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is this right
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i found it on google
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Apothocary 27.3.2023. 18:41
Yup
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i like dino nuggies 27.3.2023. 18:41
ok ill watch animatrix now
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thx
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i like dino nuggies 27.3.2023. 18:44
will i not understand matrix revolutions if i dont watch animatrix
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kinda dont wanna watch it
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Apothocary 27.3.2023. 18:45
You do not need to watch the Animatrix to understand. They are all separate side stories to the films.
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i like dino nuggies 27.3.2023. 18:45
thanks
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i like dino nuggies 27.3.2023. 21:32
holy shit matrix revolution was fire
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Apothocary 27.3.2023. 22:25
I think it’s great, too.
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Sweetmeat Shade 31.3.2023. 23:58
man, its been 24 yesrs
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Sweetmeat Shade 1.4.2023. 3:41
I’ve done it everyone. I found out what the smith virus goo was. It’s this weird thing called “mxomycetes”. Seems unlikely, but its true
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FYI anyone from the U.K. Jessica Henwick will be at London comic con doing photos/signatures
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Metalogic 1.4.2023. 18:43
I wonder if she'll have the white rabbit tattoo.
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Sweetmeat Shade 5.4.2023. 17:24
Guys! The Matrix airs on SYFY today. idk what your timezones are, but over here it begins at 12PM CST.
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Pants aside, what are those black licorice garden hose looking sandals doing on my man they need to be disintegrated
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To be fair, the pants look like trash too
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Oh 1000% if you wear those in the wrong part of town you might not be seen again
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Oh 1000% if you wear those in the wrong part of town you might not be seen again
You've heard of the Blood and Crips, but have you heard of the Monster gang?
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Sounds like they usually lurk around skate parks
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Monster like the energy drink?
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Yea, I was trying to make a joke
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It worked I can imagine monster gang members wearing those pants but only if they’re like low level
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Definitely not the sandals though they look like ass and you can’t board with them
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Looking like some Johnny depp willy wonka shoes
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highwater zubaz?
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the elastic ankles are definitely the icing on the terrible cake (edited)
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 12.4.2023. 16:15
Something I’ve been thinking about for the last few days: imagine a Portal AU with Neo as Chell and with Smith as a now doubly creepy GLaDOS. Some of GLaDOS’s lines to Chell even fit with some of the things he says canonically to Neo. In the park in Reloaded “Oh… it’s you, Mr. Anderson. How have you been? I’ve been really busy being dead… you know… after you murdered me.” (edited)
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The actor who plays Mouse just reprised his role for a scene in an Australian comedy show
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I wonder if he also tried to sell death sticks
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This is the true final matrix
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Reminds me of something lmaooooo.
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Parapsycho 18.4.2023. 20:48
Cookies Need Love, Too....
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 19.4.2023. 20:17
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Bleh, I never watched BBT, but I've seen clips of it. Honestly Sheldon just seems like a neurotic asshole.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 20.4.2023. 18:27
Also an intrusive mental image that’s recently been going round and round in my head at random intervals but seems to get progressively funnier the longer I stop and picture it, and which I need to get out of my system here to other human beings: Smith sitting completely silently and stone-faced - of course - on a rollercoaster. (edited)
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Before The Matrix did their Bullet Time thing or whatever, there was: MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO: Song: Meat Beat Manifesto: Helter Skelter '97
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Actually
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Michel Gondry may have been the first
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I feel like this would be a horrible commercial to watch while high lol.
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https://i.redd.it/o5r3siv3c9wa1.jpg I found this on the r/matrix subreddit, but can we take a moment and appreciate the detail they put into The Merovingian's Chateau? It is beautiful and that painting has two warring factions fighting one another while the winged M (Merovingian) is above it all.
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The old Matrix website let you visit every set
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I think it’s still available on the wayback machine
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You should check it out it’s great all the details are there
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Too bad MxO didn't have all these details.
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I wonder where this is hiding now. If it was ever sold up on the prop auctions - or is hidden away in some warehouse.
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Quote from Lilly Wachowski from this new interview: https://www.them.us/story/lilly-wachowski-mentoring-the-matrix-interview
“We were like, ‘Hey, let’s write this action film,’ and then we got our trans all over it.
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And the fourth was WB entrapping me into a money grab scheme.
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just tried looking up the gif of Smith getting punched in the face… but “Smith punch” brings up totally different results now 😂
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.4.2023. 18:25
“KEEP THE ARCHITECT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, MR. ANDERSON!”
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
“KEEP THE ARCHITECT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, MR. ANDERSON!”
deja dead 29.4.2023. 1:32
Hhahahahah
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KaosDevil 1.5.2023. 15:54
Nods to matrix franchise don't stop in John Wick 4
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French man, sub way scene to name a few
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Metalogic 1.5.2023. 23:53
It’s back on HBO Max. Nobody cares. Because moviegoers hate themselves.
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Metalogic 2.5.2023. 0:02
I don't exactly buy this take. It puts the blame of a bad movie back on the viewers in such a sanctimonious way. No, Resurrection didn't bomb because it was a bad movie, it bombed because you're too stupid to understand it's genius! Also you hate yourself, drugs don't work, therapy don't work, etc. It's very Scientology like in how anti-psychiatry it was. I love The Matrix franchise too, but sometimes a bad movie is a bad movie.
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Take everything written by Jason Kehe not with a pinch of salt, but a whole lorry full. The guy has some very out there takes.
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Apothocary 2.5.2023. 9:00
Lipstick on a pig. If a movies bumps the canon, feels cheap and is very unmemorable (boring), no one is gonna give a shit about intentions and meaning. No matter how smart or meta they are.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 2.5.2023. 19:12
A small thing but when I was driving home in my car a few minutes ago from my violin lesson, the man at the wheel of the Peugeot behind me legitimately looked like Smith. He had the shades and the Hugo Weaving-like face and everything.
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Apothocary 2.5.2023. 20:27
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 2.5.2023. 20:31
I won’t lie, it made me feel very slightly on-edge whilst he was stopped behind me at one point when I was waiting for a minute to turn at a junction. 😂
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
A small thing but when I was driving home in my car a few minutes ago from my violin lesson, the man at the wheel of the Peugeot behind me legitimately looked like Smith. He had the shades and the Hugo Weaving-like face and everything.
Sweetmeat Shade 6.5.2023. 1:14
i saw that man, he infected my entire family, sparing only me
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And I think I'm noticing a pattern...When I was in freshman year we had a substituite PE teacher who looked way too much like agent smith to the point i had to leave class early just to cry about it.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 7.5.2023. 14:46
With him as your PE teacher I get the feeling that the words "Run Neo, run!" would have more than one meaning lmao.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 7.5.2023. 15:27
Also this particular screencap from Reloaded always makes me laugh. In the first film Neo had to use all these martial arts movements to dodge and counteract Smith's attacks whereas here he just purely ducks back to dodge Agent Johnson's kick. Even the expression on Neo's face as the same energy as his "Hm, upgrades" comment a few moments later, like he's already saying "Damn bitch, that's your best?" 😆
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Now go to your Matrix son you’re grounded
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Why is it we all know the name of the fight between Smith and Neo in Reload is the Burly Brawl?
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It's what they called it in production, and it's literally the name of the track:
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The Matrix Reloaded: The Album is a 2003 soundtrack album from the 2003 film The Matrix Reloaded. The two-disc album is unusual among soundtrack releases in that it includes separate discs for the film's songs and the score, whereas most films release the songs and the score as separate single-disc albums. The album's lead single was "Sleeping A...
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Yeah, but why do we all remember that.
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Like its not often we remember the production name of scenes.
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We all saw the behind the scenes stuff
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Is it just because it was what the scene is listed as in:
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  • DvD Chapter Name
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Like do normal people not know its name?
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Apothocary 10.5.2023. 23:15
It was a huge VFX effort, especially for the time of release — one of the main reasons it’s aged as it has. The scene received a lot of publicity and it was name-dropped a lot in articles and hype leading up to Reloaded’s release. That said, no, your average viewer would not know it’s called that. (edited)
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It’s also a reference to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlyman_Entertainment (edited)
Burlyman Entertainment is a comic book company created by The Wachowskis, best known as the writer/director duo behind the Matrix Trilogy.
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Well, that's a reference to Barton Fink (1991). The whole 'wrestling picture' being a code name for the Reloaded film project, hence Burly Man (edited)
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Reference-o-rama
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Early 2000’s comic con
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Interesting, John Gaeta even mentioned Barton Fink by name during pre-production or production of Reloaded
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Talking about Burlyman as the codename for the sequels. This was on uh.... Shit, one of the cooler documentaries
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Well, behind the scenes featurettes
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Lana didn’t watch it because subtitles? What
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The second line is worse
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Man I love Barton Fink, about time to rewatch
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Good list
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Does anyone know a process to take a song and make it 8-bit?
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Does anyone know a process to take a song and make it 8-bit?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.5.2023. 19:09
I found this guide on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpQqGe36CLc
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 22.5.2023. 20:32
Has anyone else who’s familiar with We Happy Few spotted some similarities between it and the Matrix setting? They’re both dystopian with their settings’ law enforcement as the bad guys, they both have main characters who were dorky (I mean that affectionately lmao) office workers before both men got catapulted out of their everyday lives by sudden unordinary events and they then grew to become badasses rebelling against said law enforcement bad guys, and both premises revolve around pills and the acceptance of a hard truth. (edited)
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KaosDevil 1.6.2023. 14:48
Yeah I played it. Only the first three stories
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It's a good game/story but think this belongs in games section
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Sweetmeat Shade 2.6.2023. 20:55
istg I saw Sati in a chik fil a drive through yesterday (edited)
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This family was taking a really long time to order (15 minutes) and Avery was trying her hardest not to ram into the car behind her, and while staring blankly in front of me, I saw a little girl who looked EXACTLY like Sati, down to the dress and braided hair.
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It's a good game/story but think this belongs in games section
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 2.6.2023. 21:29
Aah yeah, sorry about that. ^^
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 8.6.2023. 1:18
Does anyone know why the Matrix sequels weren't about Neo exposing the Matrix?
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I read somewhere that it had to do with 9/11, but I can't remember where I read it and it didn't have any citations
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 8.6.2023. 11:03
In a way I suppose he did to a bit of a lesser extent, as between 1 and Reloaded he and the rest of the Nebuchadnezzar's crew freed as many people from it as they could, including Kid. Though come to think of it the in-universe reason why he didn't just expose the Matrix to the people inside of it full stop is probably because of how people over a certain age can't be unplugged or else they could very likely die from the shock of it all when they wake up, so he and the Neb crew had to be precise and careful with who they revealed the truth to. It's like Morpheus told him in 1, "Most of these people are not ready to be unplugged." (edited)
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I would argue that the the six months between M1 and Reloaded seem more interesting than most of Reloaded itself
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Revolutions script was finished in October of 2000. Reloaded finished a year later. There’s no evidence they changed anything post 9/11.
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Metalogic 8.6.2023. 14:34
Also, if they were going to shy away from 9/11 imagery, they sure as fuck wouldn't have shown the bots jumping to their death in Resurrections (edited)
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The Matrix predicted 9/11. Just sayin'.
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Thomas Anderson's passport: (edited)
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The shot of Neo flying out of the building as the entire floor erupts in fire I think is pretty telling the Wachowskis weren’t pulling any of their imagery because of 9/11. Shot looks pretty close to footage you can see if the second plane hitting the wtc
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Interesting interview of the sisters about post 9/11 movies
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But they don’t mention how it impacted their cinema
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Metalogic 8.6.2023. 15:31
Eh, honestly I chalk this up having to do more with corporate greed than wanting to feel safe. Estbalished IP that has a proven track record is a safer bet for ROI than taking a gamble on an unknown IP.
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That was around Jupiter Ascending I think
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In the rest of the interview Lana and Lily make a good point by mentioning that back in the 20th century, sequels were usually bad and cheap
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It’s insane how we have moved from that and now it’s all there is (edited)
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Metalogic 8.6.2023. 16:45
Sequels used to be direct to video
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I have a podcast on movie franchises and the 80's had some shitty sequels I just did King Kong Lives and yeesh
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The Matrix predicted 9/11. Just sayin'.
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 9.6.2023. 1:09
Talk about a film ahead of it's time
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A rare occasion in which Sci Fi media truly predicts the future
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Metalogic 9.6.2023. 1:14
Did it really though? All it is an expiration date on his passport.
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Did it really though? All it is an expiration date on his passport.
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 9.6.2023. 1:17
Yeah, but it conveniently was the same date as 9/11
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Metalogic 9.6.2023. 1:18
That's more of a coincidence than a convivence.
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Please somebody explain how the Wachowskis saw the future without sounding dumb
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The Matrix predicted 9/11. Just sayin'.
I posted that satirically. I was hoping the gif of a woman wearing a tinfoil hat would make that apparent... seemingly not.
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Sorry I see posts like that on the subreddit a lot, that wasn’t again you
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Sweetmeat Shade 9.6.2023. 19:14
bruh that goofy ass face makes me wanna laugh
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bruh that goofy ass face makes me wanna laugh
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 9.6.2023. 21:57
Same
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No. The movie bombed big time. The franchise is dead for a while
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Not that we know of. The movie was released on streaming platform day one
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Nope
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And that doesn’t count marketing
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For a movie to be financially viable it must make something like three times its budget
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zenconnection 14.6.2023. 17:24
I think regardless of the performance, if Lana wants to do another WB would do it. if Lana does not want to do another then yeah it'll be a long time before they try again
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And Transformers, Fast & the Furious, Avatar, we good
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zenconnection 15.6.2023. 13:27
what i mean is because it performed bad i doubt WB will do a new Matrix on their own any time soon, but if Lana came to them saying "I want to do this" they'd get started right away
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I think regardless of the performance, if Lana wants to do another WB would do it. if Lana does not want to do another then yeah it'll be a long time before they try again
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 15.6.2023. 23:02
Bringing Lana on board was a terrible move from the start
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Also
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If the Animatrix 2.0 was made, what stories would you wanna see in it? (edited)
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zenconnection 15.6.2023. 23:54
big disagree but too lazy to argue about it
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for potential new animatrix, what ive always been most fascinated with is internal machine world stuff. so the obvious thing to do in that vein would be the machine civil war but i'd also be very interested in seeing how things worked in their world before that happened.
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Am I tripping
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Does anyone else remember Morpheus saying “what if I told you” in the movies
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Apparently he never did it just is the meme but was never actually said
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This is the closest line in the movie
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If someone can find a clip of Morpheus saying “what if I told you” I’ll give you $100
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Nobody will find anything he doesn’t say the line
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Yea, that line was a meme invention. Just like Darth Vader never said, "Luke, I am your father." The line actually is, "No, I am your father."
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Play it again, sam
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We don't need no stinking badges!
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If the Animatrix 2.0 was made, what stories would you wanna see in it? (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 19.6.2023. 10:22
The smith virus through the perspective of a confused bluepill
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  • Exile storys
  • Older Constructs
  • The Clinic (in the comics Agents took a little girl who was starting to realise she was in the Matrix to a clinic, canonicaly her last appearence spooky!)
Probably can come up with more ideas
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Comics are not canon
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Ouranos
Comics are not canon
Say what?
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Ouranos
Comics are not canon
What? Since when?
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Since a few of them totally contradict the movies
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Heck, most of them, when you think about it (edited)
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I like to think of them as the extended universe, you keep what you wanna keep
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I usually don’t share the wiki but it explains it pretty well for once
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Ouranos
I usually don’t share the wiki but it explains it pretty well for once
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 19.6.2023. 19:49
I casually edit on the wiki, but it looks like most of the editors there don't know how to properly make a wiki page. 😒
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬
I casually edit on the wiki, but it looks like most of the editors there don't know how to properly make a wiki page. 😒
The MxO pages are a mess and I don’t know why some regular players get their own pages as if they were important to the story
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Ouranos
The MxO pages are a mess and I don’t know why some regular players get their own pages as if they were important to the story
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 19.6.2023. 19:50
That's just a massive 🤦
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I'm legitimately disappointed some of the pages don't actually use info boxes and usually just add an image without further information
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I think the entire MxO pages should be remade from scratch by actual people who know what they’re talking about
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 19.6.2023. 19:51
I'm referring to the comic pages
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Ouranos
I think the entire MxO pages should be remade from scratch by actual people who know what they’re talking about
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 19.6.2023. 19:52
Yes.
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@Ouranos As an owner of another Sci Fi movie wiki, I'm absolutely disgusted by the un-proper management of the Matrix Wiki.
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Tell ya right now most of the non MxO pages are shit as well.
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Gami, let’s do this.
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I only checked the MxO pages and it was tough to read
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Nah. Just delete the whole thing and put a clip of a Morpheus sound bite saying “no one can be told what the matrix is you have to see it for yourself” with a link the Amazon
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Most character pages have no info about what they did in MxO
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Ouranos
The MxO pages are a mess and I don’t know why some regular players get their own pages as if they were important to the story
Sweetmeat Shade 20.6.2023. 18:30
you know what I’m gonna make a page all about myself
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Gami
Tell ya right now most of the non MxO pages are shit as well.
Sweetmeat Shade 20.6.2023. 18:31
I DID upload a couple new matrix reloaded promos that can only be found in extremely low quality elsewhere
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I dunno if anyone made a page for Metalogic, probably not. I'm not egotistical enough to make one myself either lol
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Sweetmeat Shade 21.6.2023. 20:14
I made some matrix memojis
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Ouranos
Since a few of them totally contradict the movies
Yep a lot of them contradict the story a lot of them are just concepts
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I like to believe the ‘I Kant’ comic was canon even if it had some flaws, I like the idea of Morpheus trying to find someone to take care of Zion when he inevitably passes now that neo is gone
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And how it showed that people can be resimulated in the matrix even after their actual passing
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Like imagine a matrix 4 where Neos dead and whoever the new protector would be uses the neo simulation to try and get some second thoughts on what to do or just a morale boost
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It wouldn’t work at all with how they did things in the actual movie but that different scenario it was alluding to could’ve been interesting
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I made some matrix memojis
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 22.6.2023. 9:16
Mind showing them?
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I DID upload a couple new matrix reloaded promos that can only be found in extremely low quality elsewhere
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 22.6.2023. 9:16
These as well?
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Sweetmeat Shade 22.6.2023. 16:57
The memojis will be in meme chat (edited)
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What’s the best version of Smith?
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Ouranos
What’s the best version of Smith?
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 26.6.2023. 2:53
This one
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Sweetmeat Shade 30.6.2023. 21:16
Also, hug an agent day is tomorrow (July 1st) And no, i didnt make that up: people on the internet have been celebrating it since 2003
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What’s the best version of Smith?
Sweetmeat Shade 30.6.2023. 21:16
Puro from Changed
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Gotta love that, in The Matrix, Trinity stalked Neo for like 6 months before the movie so, everytime he jerked off or took a shit, she was watching.
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And she visibly liked what she saw
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Some things are best left unpondered
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Ouranos
Gotta love that, in The Matrix, Trinity stalked Neo for like 6 months before the movie so, everytime he jerked off or took a shit, she was watching.
Sweetmeat Shade 5.7.2023. 4:29
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 10.7.2023. 4:11
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Was Matrix4 the end of the whole Matrix hype? I hoped for a game and animatrix and stuff. I still not watched the Ressurections. My mom wants to watch it with me together. Heard so many bad words about it, that I've lost the motivation. 😂 It feels like someone tells you, that the dinner you liked so much will taste bad when you eat it the next time.
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The irony of matrix fans relying on the words of others instead of taking the oracles advice and making up their own damn mind
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most of the people on this server would take the bluepill but that's a conversation we're not ready for
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Was Matrix4 the end of the whole Matrix hype? I hoped for a game and animatrix and stuff. I still not watched the Ressurections. My mom wants to watch it with me together. Heard so many bad words about it, that I've lost the motivation. 😂 It feels like someone tells you, that the dinner you liked so much will taste bad when you eat it the next time.
Well, sticking with the box office numbers, Resurrections was a bust, so that mostly killed the motivation for new video games, animatrix, spin off movies, etc. etc.
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In all honesty, the franchise died on October 27, 2003
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Ah man. Sad. Thanks.
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BinaryArt 13.7.2023. 8:47
any chance he sees Smith?
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any chance he sees Smith?
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 14.7.2023. 14:23
That scene in a shellnut lmao:
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any chance he sees Smith?
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 15.7.2023. 2:08
Reminds me of Doug Walker's review of the film
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Ouranos
In all honesty, the franchise died on October 27, 2003
Do not look up what happened on that day because it is absolutely not matrix related
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Ouranos
most of the people on this server would take the bluepill but that's a conversation we're not ready for
I think if the people in the movie were shown what it actually looks like in the real world before taking the red pill they would too
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How much can I get for this?
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Sweetmeat Shade 17.7.2023. 20:40
give it to me right now, I’ll trade you that for my 2004 Lebron James Powerade bottle
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Ouranos
How much can I get for this?
What is the history of this piece? Because that'll determine a lot of it's value.
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I bought it at some convention in Paris in 2003
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I have the Neo one from the DVD box set too
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Ouranos
I bought it at some convention in Paris in 2003
How much did you pay for it?
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I don’t remember
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Hell it probably wasn’t even € back then
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My bad the € was put into place in 2002
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Ouranos
Hell it probably wasn’t even € back then
It was, the Euro was launched on 1/1/1999.
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It was an invisible currency until 1/1/2002
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That's when it rolled out to the public
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Yeah I remember getting the first coins it was fun
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New money! It doesn’t happen that often
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It killed our country
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But that’s fine
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Ouranos
It killed our country
Well that sucks
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Ouranos
How much can I get for this?
But honestly getting back to this. I don't know. I don't know if this was made by Warner Brothers themselves or if it was 3D printed and painted by a fan. I don't think this was a prop used in M4.
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It's an official bust
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you've never seen those?
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apparently it's worth something like $100 which is not enough for me to bother selling
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if you guys want to see the official merch when the movies came out : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lddKKxhJIDTdh1xIJ-8WPpLv8U0uddxM
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(lmk if I'm missing something)
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Dunno why the first Neo one makes me hear 'Duuude, you totally got me' from that Chapelle's Show sketch
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im new
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watching the new movie for the first time
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I had a dream earlier that was like weird mix of all the animatrix stories and some of the comics it was so cool
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The kid was mixed with the athlete who once in his life saw the edge of the matrix and almost chose to wake up but was too scared of what was there at the time and now always is wondering what’s really happening on the other side of things, that’s like 3-4 matrix of the stories combined
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It was so weird the dream visually looked like the matrix movies, like how the camera phases through TV’s sometimes and there’s lines of code
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I will try to end the movie now, had to stop for a bit
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Chat dead 😔💀 (edited)
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Joke i just want to talk to people about the matrix
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Is this server mostly about the videogame? I tought it closed the servers no long ago?
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Ok no it was in 2009 but ive seen the video of players there saying goodbye
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Ouranos
you've never seen those?
Sweetmeat Shade 19.7.2023. 8:05
I have this one on my wishlist. Unfortunately it’s the rarest out of all
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bruh someone is here
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Would be watching/finishing the second movie today later, someone wanna join?
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Ok already seen it
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Not bad but i like the first one more aesthetics
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mona
Joke i just want to talk to people about the matrix
They talk about it but never about the same topic lol just random shit
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the usual
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i like debating the philosophical aspects tho
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Most people here are closer to gamers than they are to Matrix fans
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(Well not me I’ve been in the community since 2000)
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A lot of people joined because of the game Matrix Online
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And the Matrix fandom is pretty much dead since 2003
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But if you have any good conversation starters feel free to post them!
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Ouranos
Most people here are closer to gamers than they are to Matrix fans
I would say the old timers here are more Matrix fans than gamers, but it shifts towards the opposite way when you get towards the newer members.
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i never played the game
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and i like the matrix movies for their actions scenes
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and their real/not real, destiny/freewil argument etc
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like any other matrix fan prob
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is the game still active?
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Metalogic
I would say the old timers here are more Matrix fans than gamers, but it shifts towards the opposite way when you get towards the newer members.
I would say that most people who loved MxO back then would identify as video game players and not really cinephiles
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“Video game players” I sound like my mom
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The matrix online wasn’t that big where it outnumbered the primary matrix fans
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That’s like saying Star Wars battlefront 2 got bigger than Star Wars
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mona
is the game still active?
Apparently there’s occasional sessions where everyone announces that they’re hopping on again
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coulld be nice to join (edited)
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Idk how active it is passively anymore it probably doesn’t have a bunch of players just hanging around when nobody else is there (edited)
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mona
coulld be nice to join (edited)
There was a server for it but I left it look up like “matrix online game discord”
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You’re literally on the MxO emulator discord server right now
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What I was trying to say is that most people are Matrix fans, as in fans of the entire franchise first and they saw a chance to play in that Universe in the form of The Matrix Online.
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By entire you also mean Resurrections?
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Because people here are just shitting on it every occasion they get
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Which is fun because on Twitter the other side they all say it’s the best movie of the decade
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Depend on the person.
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I don't consider Resurrections canon, but some people do and that's fine.
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i dont mind it
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sooner or later matrix has to come back
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we just need more animatrix tho
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I just wish movie companies would stop re-treading the same worn out paths. Yes I know why they do it, because it sells (except when it doesn't) but still. So many movies could have truly expansive Universes if movie companies would stop focusing on the same cast of characters every time.
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Ouranos
You’re literally on the MxO emulator discord server right now
Huh I thought this was just a matrix talk server didn’t know that was also organized here, nvm
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mona
we just need more animatrix tho
If you want more animatrix you should dislike matrix 4 lmao the best possible outcome for that movie is that they made it bad on purpose so the studio wouldn’t pursue any more matrix stuff
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If they thought that was some amazing genius story idk they really did go crazy
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If you want more animatrix you should dislike matrix 4 lmao the best possible outcome for that movie is that they made it bad on purpose so the studio wouldn’t pursue any more matrix stuff
i know is not as good as the first one
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i like that one more
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It doesn’t even shine a light to the second or third ones
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and that reboots of old movies are bad etc
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it could have been worse i guess
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Corey
It doesn’t even shine a light to the second or third ones
true
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Corey
If you want more animatrix you should dislike matrix 4 lmao the best possible outcome for that movie is that they made it bad on purpose so the studio wouldn’t pursue any more matrix stuff
but you said it
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so they kinda used that
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mona
it could have been worse i guess
It was already almost at the ocean floor of badness it could’ve been much better if they just followed what was already outlined in the comics and animatrix stories
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If you want more animatrix you should dislike matrix 4 lmao the best possible outcome for that movie is that they made it bad on purpose so the studio wouldn’t pursue any more matrix stuff
I’m so tired of this fake and simple narrative fans have decided to adopt because they didn’t like the movie
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yeah but they have changed and wated to say other things too
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Ouranos
I’m so tired of this fake and simple narrative fans have decided to adopt because they didn’t like the movie
I’ve tried multiple times to see the movie for “what it is” that doesn’t take away that it’s a lazy movie dude
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you have too see it in context
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Corey
I’ve tried multiple times to see the movie for “what it is” that doesn’t take away that it’s a lazy movie dude
Alright dude
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its a bit too long
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actions scenes are not that good
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Ouranos
Alright dude
You can’t say that the first 2-3 we’re lazy movies they put real effort into that stuff at the very least into the action and visuals of it and it shows
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i liked the adition of synthetics
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Corey
You can’t say that the first 2-3 we’re lazy movies they put real effort into that stuff at the very least into the action and visuals of it and it shows
Well Lana wasn’t trying to make the same movie but I’m tired of explaining that here
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Just read her interviews
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Ouranos
Just read her interviews
I’ve seen them I know the angle people try to make with that movie
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Corey
You can’t say that the first 2-3 we’re lazy movies they put real effort into that stuff at the very least into the action and visuals of it and it shows
the first one felt whole movie
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the next two are not as complete
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mona
the next two are not as complete
They also slowly made it more philosophical to the point where it enters the preachzone
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If the first movie was 75% action 25% philosophy the second and third were like 50%
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Matrix 4 is like 10% action 90% philosophy and it nosedives into the preachzone
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Most people don’t want that for what is quite frankly an escapism franchise
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They don’t go to the movies to see someone hop up on a soapbox and go “see this is what it’s really all about!”
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i would say the matrix franchise is 45% thingking 45% action 10% aesthetics or something like that (edited)
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As a whole yeah
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But it seems like they understood with the first one how to find a good balance between what you’re trying to say and what a good movie needs
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The dialogue for all those movies could be a bit tightened up but those are wachowski movies for you
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Don’t go into them expecting some life changing dialogue lol (edited)
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i mean matrix blew peoples minds when it came out
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.7.2023. 23:41
currently giggling and kicking my feet while playing matrix flash games from an archive of their website
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never mind they weren't flash games so i couldnt play
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never mind they weren't flash games so i couldnt play
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 27.7.2023. 9:42
Dam...
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Sweetmeat Shade 27.7.2023. 10:02
The Trinity game genuinely looked so fun
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Matrix 5 ending music
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!マグネト! 1.8.2023. 18:49
Interesting that the Matrix machine's purpose for storing humans' is not for batteries, but to utilize the human brain for the machine's benefit in both the virtual and physical world.
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!マグネト!
Interesting that the Matrix machine's purpose for storing humans' is not for batteries, but to utilize the human brain for the machine's benefit in both the virtual and physical world.
!マグネト! 1.8.2023. 18:50
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!マグネト! 1.8.2023. 18:50
The response was uniformed positive and agreed. here is one of the comments replies "Although I can't find a link to prove it, I'm pretty certain that this was confirmed by the Wachowskis at some point in the past - at least, this was in the original script, but then it was decided that the average audience member at the time wouldn't understand, and so the idea was scrapped. I'd love if someone could provide some sources for this?"
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!マグネト!
The response was uniformed positive and agreed. here is one of the comments replies "Although I can't find a link to prove it, I'm pretty certain that this was confirmed by the Wachowskis at some point in the past - at least, this was in the original script, but then it was decided that the average audience member at the time wouldn't understand, and so the idea was scrapped. I'd love if someone could provide some sources for this?"
!マグネト! 1.8.2023. 18:51
I tried finding a source if that was the original plot point, but cannot find it unfortunately
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The machines are keeping humans alive for their body heat, right? But they also have nuclear fusion reactors, and (while I haven't run the numbers) I'd be willing to bet that a single fusion reactor
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!マグネト! 1.8.2023. 18:53
My theory is that the Machines lack one thing that only Humans can have -> "Creativity". The machines can maintain the status quo, but for any new technology development, they need human brains. Therefore, the machines keep all humans alive, to harvest their brain power for advancing the technology.
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!マグネト!
Interesting that the Matrix machine's purpose for storing humans' is not for batteries, but to utilize the human brain for the machine's benefit in both the virtual and physical world.
This is just crank fanfiction
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This is just crank fanfiction
!マグネト! 1.8.2023. 20:26
Ok but it is interesting. no?
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Perhaps referencing group thought form concept etc
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does anyone actually have the matrix revolutions dvd copy that contains the mxo featurette so they can upload the source VOB files for it ?
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I have a bunch of different formats, I'll have to look when I get back home Monday (edited)
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Sweetmeat Shade 9.8.2023. 3:51
Yeah but I don't feel like doing allat
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holytacosauce 17.8.2023. 23:12
What would y'all say is the absolute best version of each of the Matrix movies? Like if I wanted to introduce them in their best quality format whatever to somebody what would you recommend?
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What would y'all say is the absolute best version of each of the Matrix movies? Like if I wanted to introduce them in their best quality format whatever to somebody what would you recommend?
Depends if you like green filters or not
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Ouranos
Depends if you like green filters or not
You gotta have the green filter, that's how you know they're inside The Matrix.
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Nobody ever talk about the blue filter in the real world only the green filter gets all the attention
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Ouranos
Nobody ever talk about the blue filter in the real world only the green filter gets all the attention
Because it's more pronounce than the blue filter.
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It’s a Mandela effect
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We all thought the green filter was in the first movie because it was in the sequels
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But in theater version there was no over pronounced green filter
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Smallville. 17.8.2023. 23:39
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Ouranos
We all thought the green filter was in the first movie because it was in the sequels
I really think that's because the green filter was on the first release VHS/DVD. I only got to see it in theaters once when it originally released, most of my viewings were VHS before the sequels came out. Wore that thing out.
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I have the 1999 DVD and there is no big filter. It only really happened on the 2008 DVD/Blu-ray
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I think I read somewhere that Lana asked for a green filter so it would look like the sequels but that they overdid it (edited)
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 18.8.2023. 19:35
I do love this particular behind the scenes aspect of Reloaded: getting to see a rare instance of Keanu going psycho. 😂 https://youtu.be/lksyNJhgyyE
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What would y'all say is the absolute best version of each of the Matrix movies? Like if I wanted to introduce them in their best quality format whatever to somebody what would you recommend?
I watched all 3 4K Blu-rays on an OLED tv not too long ago and I thought they looked absolutely incredible. The cinematographer of all three movies was personally involved in them so it’s a pretty faithful transfer I’d say
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Not sure if this has been shared here before but it’s a pretty interesting watch https://youtu.be/KEdgmNZnLs4
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Saw a commercial for Resurrections on TNT network
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deja dead 29.8.2023. 0:35
just got tix to Danny Boyle's live stage show immersive dance re-imagining of THE MATRIX. it's in a couple months, will report back! 🫡
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Experience the classic sci-film as a mind-altering live show with a dream team of top creatives behind the controls
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Sweetmeat Shade 29.8.2023. 2:26
Hey٫ I remember hearing about this
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deja dead 31.8.2023. 4:21
Excited to check it out!
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Metalogic 8.9.2023. 17:26
So I'm just going to say this, I'm kinda surprised that Ressurections didn't have more LGBTQIA+ representation? I mean, at least Revolutions had that hinted at lesbian couple with the rocket launcher.
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Of course there was also Switch who was originally supposed to be trans.
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I would argue that Bugs is very queer coded
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I feel like Smith is kind of written as being in love with Neo, even more than usual
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That’s my hot take on the entire saga btw Smith is just in love and doesn’t know how to process it
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(I’m kidding, or maybe I’m not)
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Metalogic 8.9.2023. 23:02
The "You're empty." "So are you" line was definitely charged. 😛 (edited)
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Phantom Marcus 9.9.2023. 2:46
breathtaking
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Mr. FriendGuy 9.9.2023. 6:14
I think the crew member of the Mnemosyne Brian J Smith played is heavily implied to be at least gay with how he says that Neo's look "totally works for me."
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Oh yeah I forgot about that
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holytacosauce 16.9.2023. 21:40
One of my all-time favorite moments of any movie I've seen was the scene where Morpheus tells Neo to free his mind then he flies to the other building 🔥
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That quote has been on my lock screen for years on my phones 😆
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Honestly resurrections isn't that bad if you're not like a matrix fanboy like if you've never seen any of the Matrix movies you would probably enjoy it but honestly I've seen it four times it's like not bad but not good cuz every time I watch it about halfway through I literally fall asleep it seems like we're not going to get any more Matrix stuff except for that play that they're doing between October to November maybe it'll build a little hype something down the road will come out but I'm content where it's at honestly the whole thing is just fascinating to me
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I highly recommend this channel
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The Merovingian is one of my favorites as well
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Just trying to add commentary keep the discord a little live here and there I'm just really getting into the big Matrix lore and stuff seen all the movies haven't played any of the games yet haven't read any of the comics unfortunately yet so I still got a lot to discover any thing someone here can recommend to me would be appreciated cuz I'm absolutely fascinated with anything simulation theory
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Deleted User 22.9.2023. 1:08
Did anyone here actually liked the 4th matrix movie?
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Metalogic 22.9.2023. 1:09
There's a couple of people
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Deleted User 22.9.2023. 1:09
I didn't. But my dad said it was great
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Mind you, he loves bad movies
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Unironicly
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Metalogic 22.9.2023. 1:10
I was going to say, he may be a fan of the TV series MST3K lol
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There's a couple of people
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.9.2023. 2:09
That's sus.
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Did anyone here actually liked the 4th matrix movie?
Completely love it
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Same
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NumaanOfficial 22.9.2023. 18:40
I liked ressurections but it could of been better let's be honest
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So many cool ideas that they never explored in the movie
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 23.9.2023. 17:00
Resurrections was alright but I feel like some of its plot events could've been done in a more memorable way.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
Resurrections was alright but I feel like some of its plot events could've been done in a more memorable way.
NumaanOfficial 23.9.2023. 17:46
I agree
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Like exploring the concepts that they only show for like one scene and that's it.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 23.9.2023. 18:46
Yeah, like the things they did with transporting themselves through mirrors for instance.
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Yeah, like the things they did with transporting themselves through mirrors for instance.
NumaanOfficial 23.9.2023. 21:12
Aswell as the concept of the machines Vs machines war.
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I think that was supposed to be in the new Animatrix we’ll never see
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I think that was supposed to be in the new Animatrix we’ll never see
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.9.2023. 2:40
They really should've released a new Animatrix series instead of the M4 garbage.
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Did anyone here actually liked the 4th matrix movie?
holytacosauce 24.9.2023. 2:58
You'll like it if you've never seen the others... I've seen it 4 times and it's nowhere as bad as most say but it's nothing compared to the deepness of the previous installment especially the first. Just a beautiful looking kinda boring movie that is obvious a half ass attempt at a matrix movie.
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My point being as a general movie for the average audience that don't care to go down rabbit holes of YouTube theories and blah blah blah I think they'll enjoy it but then when they see the others they always say the last one kind of sucked when you compare them LOL after 4 watches I still think yeah that's true it's worth watching once
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Do you know where you found the storyboard? (edited)
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Animatrix alone would have made no money
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I think they would have done it if 4 was a success but they wouldn’t have done it before
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Metalogic 24.9.2023. 3:06
I could write a whole essay on what was wrong with M4, giving extrucating detail on each part/point that was wrong. However, I think it can easily be summed up as M4 tried to do too much. All of the plot points just seem so disconnected and disjointed from each other. It really feels like they tried to fit 2 or 3 movies into one. Although I will say, the most interesting part was Io, and The Machine Civil War. The rest of the plots could be discarded.
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Yeah let’s get rid of Neo and Trinity to replace them with the Terminator flashback
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Yeah let’s get rid of Neo and Trinity to replace them with the Terminator flashback
Metalogic 24.9.2023. 3:17
Let's be honest, Neo and Trinity's plot was basically M1 with some minor tweak. M4 really should've been a fresh new story in The Matrix Universe, not a mangled mess with M1 thrown in.
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holytacosauce 24.9.2023. 5:54
Not Animatrix 2.0 my apologies my memory served me wrong this was actually a post about concept art from the fourth Matrix movie
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Matrix Resurrections : Hands down the best project I worked on. #Matrix
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holytacosauce 24.9.2023. 14:31
Those are incredible
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NumaanOfficial 24.9.2023. 15:22
Imo they shouldn't have gotten lana wachowski to do it since it's clear from the film she didn't want to do it. Should of gotten someone like Nolan or Dennis venvelue to do it. But then again both were busy with Dennis filming the dune trilogy and Nolan filming Oppenheimer.
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Why the hell would Nolan make a Matrix movie
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I don't know why he would but I'd watch it. I think he'd be able to make a really interesting (if much more muted) movie around someone slowly realising the matrix exists and escaping.
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Why the hell would Nolan make a Matrix movie
NumaanOfficial 24.9.2023. 16:05
Just like why would Nolan make a batman movie? (edited)
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because he was at the beginning of his career?
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he made a deal with WB
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I'll continue making Batman movies if I can make whatever I want in between
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it resulted in the Prestige and Inception
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but now that he is the biggest name out there he has no reason to do a sequel to somebody else's franchis
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except for James Bond, which he loves
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NumaanOfficial 24.9.2023. 22:45
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Imo they shouldn't have gotten lana wachowski to do it since it's clear from the film she didn't want to do it. Should of gotten someone like Nolan or Dennis venvelue to do it. But then again both were busy with Dennis filming the dune trilogy and Nolan filming Oppenheimer.
holytacosauce 25.9.2023. 1:26
I would love Hideo Kojima and his twisted mind helping with any Matrix project
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Nolan could be great too. I think he'd for sure have an amazing score to it!
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soul_flex/cbflex 25.9.2023. 3:31
what is this
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what is this
A play based on The Matrix opens next month in Manchester
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Danny Boyle is directing it
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soul_flex/cbflex 25.9.2023. 4:55
interesting
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interesting
Unfortunately it appears to be the only Matrix content we will be getting anytime soon
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Hopefully it will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 25.9.2023. 19:47
Knowing what Smith's like makes it so jarring to me when I see pictures like this one of Hugo just being goofy lmao.
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Chilling with the boys
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 25.9.2023. 20:07
Judging by the first one it seems he's made his way into the Construct.
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.9.2023. 20:29
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 25.9.2023. 20:37
And lo, when watered, the Hugo Weaving flower begins to sprout its resplendent petals not long after Spring begins. Nature truly is beautiful.
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Got reloaded on in 4k, holy crap the Smith stand ins without a mask or CG stick out like a sore thumb
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Metalogic 26.9.2023. 1:30
Because M4 bombed in the box office, because it was a shitty film.
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Ressurections single handedly murdered the franchise all over again because Lana Wachowksi is a cowardly hack who couldn't let someone else make new stories in her world. Goodbye animatrix 2......
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Ressurections single handedly murdered the franchise all over again because Lana Wachowksi is a cowardly hack who couldn't let someone else make new stories in her world. Goodbye animatrix 2......
Metalogic 26.9.2023. 1:51
I like to spread the blame around, Lana and WB.
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I like to spread the blame around, Lana and WB.
I would have much rather had a sub par matrix film from a new director, than the middle finger of a film she made. I blame WB, for hiring her.
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I would have much rather had a sub par matrix film from a new director, than the middle finger of a film she made. I blame WB, for hiring her.
Metalogic 26.9.2023. 2:04
I am just surprised that not one person, not a single one stood up and said "Hey Lana um....what the fuck?"
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Sweetmeat Shade 26.9.2023. 2:56
Me and my friends have a term for films as bad as M4. The Pearl Harbor of film
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TDPersona 26.9.2023. 3:01
WB should have just went ahead with the non Wachowski project they had in early production at the time. I get why they went with the name for marketing but we all know how that ended (edited)
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If WB ever decide to do a reboot in a decade or two though they have to call it 'The Matrix Rebooted'
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does anyone have the actual matrix revolutions 2-dvd set from 2004 with "FUTURE GAMER: The Matrix Online" special feature ? https://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/THE_MATRIX_REVOLUTIONS_D2-0_1080001448.jpg?fit=bounds&width=1280&height=720 so it can be uploaded somewhere that isnt in 240p quality at low bitrate (edited)
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Sweetmeat Shade 26.9.2023. 7:24
I do!
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But I don’t know how to record my TV! And my computer doesn’t have a mouth
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that would be unacceptable anyway, straight .vob copies from the dvd or bust
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Sweetmeat Shade 26.9.2023. 9:53
Like so I download the DVD, extract every file from it individually, and post the thing. Or is there
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And from there I can edit it, and upscale it to 4K or whatever. The problem is my computer doesn’t have a DVD-ROM drive, and I’m not the most tech savvy person ever
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I do but same issue
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theres no place you can "download the dvd"
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Sadly I don’t have a dvd player on my computer
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I can take a phone video if you want 😈
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Nothing, they had a non-Wachowski project in the works with a script written by Zak Penn which was meant to be a prequel. They went with Lana for marketing reasons. WB could do another movie at any point but they'll be hesitant to do it after M4 bombed. (edited)
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I don’t think it was marketing reasons. WB has always been behind the Wachowskis even after multiple box office failures. I think Lana was their first choice and if she said no the Penn script was commissioned
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But I don’t think I would have cared for a Morpheus prequel that would have probably copied a lot from the first movie and don’t add much (edited)
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We’ll never know! But I would love to get my hands on that script…
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I hope it leaks someday
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I'm always very, very hesitant to give WB any credit whatsoever but you may be right re the Wachowski's
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WB loves the Wachowskis
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And it’s good because they would have troubles making movies otherwise
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They even put Matrix in Space Jam that’s how much they love it
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theres no place you can "download the dvd"
Sweetmeat Shade 26.9.2023. 17:18
I mean, take the files from the DVD
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its on disc 2, the only extras on disc1 are some movie trailers
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its 11 minutes, you can just keep opening the vob files until you get to it or something 🤷‍♂️
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does anyone have the actual matrix revolutions 2-dvd set from 2004 with "FUTURE GAMER: The Matrix Online" special feature ? https://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/THE_MATRIX_REVOLUTIONS_D2-0_1080001448.jpg?fit=bounds&width=1280&height=720 so it can be uploaded somewhere that isnt in 240p quality at low bitrate (edited)
Is the shitty version on YouTube?
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I don’t think I’ve watched it
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Mxo featurette on skyjackal YouTube channel (edited)
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Only copy on the internet
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Features some alpha footage and smug Chadwick
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And the most famous one liner from Jason hall
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Is it not in the ultimate matrix set with the neo bust? I have those discs somewhere
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Sweetmeat Shade 26.9.2023. 18:26
My computer has no mouth sasly
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My computer has no mouth sasly
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.9.2023. 19:23
“Tell me, Mr. Anderson… what good is a DVD, if your computer is unable to read it…?”
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rajkosto
And the most famous one liner from Jason hall
Did he just say MxO had the biggest map of any MMO (edited)
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@rajkosto I've got the 2004 DVD with the Future Gamer feature on disc 2 if you still need it
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I'd be keen to see this illusive documentary, Im guessing its pure 2003 fluff of shots of NPC's stood doing nothing and some jackass from the production department saying "Its out of this world"
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"Its just never going to stop"
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.9.2023. 1:32
Damn, that is pretty cool. Although they could have more focused and talk more about everything that was unique about MxO and made it stand out from other mmos.
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It's interlaced in the source format so can I get the orig vob (to detinerlace myself) (edited)
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at least i can read the [Withdraw] text now but its like they captured the gameplay footage via some crappy composite adapter (the IRL camera interviews are way clearer) https://images.sshnuke.net/2023-09-27_03-29-21_38bYSp7rz.png (edited)
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Deleted User 27.9.2023. 4:31
Matrix Hyperfixation
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Its sad that our fandom is small. But i like how tight knit it is
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Its sad that our fandom is small. But i like how tight knit it is
Agreed
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A little from Column A, and a little from Column B.
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They did try something, Resurrections and it failed horribly.
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Because it was just a demo, it was never going to be a complete video game. It was demoing the latest Unreal Engine (at the time.)
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it was only an advert for the movie and a ue5 tech demo it is now not only delisted from the only 2 platforms it was released on (xbox series and ps5), so you cant get it anymore, it wont even start up anymore if you still have it (edited)
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@rajkosto there doesn't seem to be a vob just for that promo. There are only 3 of any length on there. A behind the scenes featurette, 'Matrix Recalibrated,' and a storyboard comparison
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there should be a vob for every playable video 🤔
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is this not the dvd ?
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Yep, it's the DVD
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That's what I thought but no
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how did you convert to mp4 then
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should be a bunch of vobs in VIDEO_TS no ?
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MakeMKV, then re-encoded with Handbrake
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There are, but there are only 3 1.048 GB VOBs, the rest are transitions and menus (edited)
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where did the clip come from then
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Magic
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how big is it once you extract just that segment with makemkv
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329MB (edited)
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Is that not good enough to deinterlace from?
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Instead of the 158MB re-encode
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sure its fine
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i dont think i can get much more out of it but i will try the AI deinterlacers etc
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the ingame footage is just lower res
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Aight, uploading now
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"Its just never going to stop"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9EsbH9foz8 deinterlaced higher quality youtube ver here so people dont have to use the ancient skyjackal one
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Looks nice
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Gloria Foster > Mary Alice
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Thank god we can finally watch Chadwick being smug in HQ
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He does seem unnecessarily smug, was he counting a bag of money offscreen or something?
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Couldn't stop at "I'm mainly known for my comic book work," had to keep going lol
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"especially my character Concrete." Thanks for letting us know you're kind of a big deal
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"especially my character Concrete." Thanks for letting us know you're kind of a big deal
Metalogic 29.9.2023. 0:22
I've never heard of Concrete.
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Me neither
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He knows you have tho
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Maybe he just has resting 'I'm kind of a big deal' face
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These were really different times though, I wonder if he'd regret/resent coming across like this back then
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Deleted User 29.9.2023. 0:34
Agent Smith is so cool..
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Btw One of my favorite YouTubers made a video about the matrix and it's newest film.. I recommend it! https://youtu.be/k-tFYMzxi8Q?si=Z-f2xP3anauvO8Tm
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Metalogic 29.9.2023. 0:38
I hate how small his glasses are compared to the rest of his head.
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Deleted User 29.9.2023. 0:39
Why.. Is his hairline pushed back?
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It's the Chadwick fivehead with the wildly impractical 'intellectual' glasses I guess?
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No need for peripheral vision
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Deleted User 29.9.2023. 0:41
Who is Chadwick? He sounds familiar
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Comic book/graphic novelist guy. Did some of the original Matrix comics commissioned before the first film came out, you can find them in the hardcover collection. He also wrote a lot of the storylines for The Matrix Online (edited)
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I think he was the #2 storyline creator just behind the W's
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Vets can probably correct me on that
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Deleted User 29.9.2023. 0:49
He looks like.. He was in a few controversies
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Comic book/graphic novelist guy. Did some of the original Matrix comics commissioned before the first film came out, you can find them in the hardcover collection. He also wrote a lot of the storylines for The Matrix Online (edited)
Deleted User 29.9.2023. 0:50
Matrix... Comics?
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I knew about the animatrix
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But.. Not comics?
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See #matrix-comics
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NumaanOfficial 1.10.2023. 10:46
Tank
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Load the jump program
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I always liked the line that no one successfully did the jump the first time. The training scenes established a lot with a small amount of dialogue.
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I always liked the line that no one successfully did the jump the first time. The training scenes established a lot with a small amount of dialogue.
NumaanOfficial 1.10.2023. 16:32
And I think the training was meant to imply that you should not be afraid and just jump with zero effort. Morpheus only took a few steps before he flew into the sky.
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Yeah it was all to get the mind to overcome the limitations placed on it by the Matrix. I'm currently writing a matrix setting for the genesys ttrpg system and instead of XP it's awakening points (working title) where the more awakened you become the more you can do.
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I remember watching this when it came out
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Btw if you want to see the second renaissance in live action, go watch The Creator
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What do you think the matrix would be like if smith had won?
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It's made pretty clear during Revolutions that he would destroy the matrix and the machine world so... usual archnemesis stuff
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It's made pretty clear during Revolutions that he would destroy the matrix and the machine world so... usual archnemesis stuff
What was his plan lmao?
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What would he get by destroying everything? Including the machines
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Smith was a nihilist. He pretty much states before the burly brawl that without an objective purpose existence is meaningless. He didn't like being an Agent even though that was his purpose until Neo defeats him and then wants to destroy everything as he believes he has no reason to exist.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 6.10.2023. 22:08
He does have a reason to exist: so that we have a villain we can easily cosplay as.
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True but that's not how he feels about it
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Although I always liked the differences in Smith's outfit in the original vs reloaded/revolutions
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Much more stylin in Reloaded
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A new man, so to speak.
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A new man, so to speak.
NumaanOfficial 7.10.2023. 11:32
Congratulations
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Much more stylin in Reloaded
Also his suit is totally black, unlike the dark green of the regular agents
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Also his suit is totally black, unlike the dark green of the regular agents
Yeah, it actually took me way too long to notice the change in colour but a nice subtle way to show his change. Wish we had gotten a scene between Smith and the other agents in Reloaded/Revolutions
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Assuming the agents also deal with rogue programs
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Even his sunglasses showed his evolution (edited)
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Agents have very rectangular glasses while he’s got angles on his
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The only thing he didn’t change is the desert eagle but who could blame him
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One gets attached to one's .50AE hand cannon
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'The fact that you've got 'Replica' written down the side of your gun, and the fact that I've got 'Desert Eagle .50 written down the side of mine should precipitate your balls to shrinkin', along with your presence'
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I like Persephone’s tiny purse gun
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That derringer is pretty unique with the quad barrel, only other film I've seen that in was OG Blade Runner (edited)
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I dunno if I'd want to fire that thing though, light and really small grip, .357 Magnum
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Probably snappy as FUCK
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'The fact that you've got 'Replica' written down the side of your gun, and the fact that I've got 'Desert Eagle .50 written down the side of mine should precipitate your balls to shrinkin', along with your presence'
NumaanOfficial 7.10.2023. 13:39
Still need to watch snatch
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Looking it up apparently it's also in Blood in, Blood out? I've seen that a bunch of times but apparently missed it
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Still need to watch snatch
Definitely a 'classic' box you should check off, that and Lock Stock. Guy Ritchie has a really specific schtick, he kind of invented a style that borrowed from a lot of his predecessors and stuck with it. Most recent I saw from him was The Gentlemen (2019) and he's definitely still doing it. Worth checking out though, great cast. (edited)
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Definitely a 'classic' box you should check off, that and Lock Stock. Guy Ritchie has a really specific schtick, he kind of invented a style that borrowed from a lot of his predecessors and stuck with it. Most recent I saw from him was The Gentlemen (2019) and he's definitely still doing it. Worth checking out though, great cast. (edited)
NumaanOfficial 7.10.2023. 13:44
I've seen lock stock when I was a kid and loved that. Even the gentleman was really good.
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If you liked Lock Stock you'll like Snatch, they're the same movie with different plots
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If we go too much further with non-matrix flicks we should take it to #movies tho
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@Ouranos Huh, I actually liked The Kid and was never really aware that people disliked him. People complained about the Battle of Zion generally but I never saw him as a standout flaw of it. It just felt like as a character who was so obsessed with Neo his complete omission just feels odd in a story that involves Neo's resurrection.
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I was in the community back in 03
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Everybody made fun of him all the time
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He is meant to be annoying so I guess the Ws did their job well
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Also the actor just wasn’t good
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I mean it's 60 years later, you could just recast (Which they should have done with Niobe).
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Like a lot of the random Australians they got for this trilogy. No offense to them but… meh
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I mean it's 60 years later, you could just recast (Which they should have done with Niobe).
He would be something like 76yo so he could have just died
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Especially if Zion didn’t make it
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I don’t see Kid as the Io type of guy
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He would have stayed in Zion for Morpheus’ honor or something like that
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Ouranos
He would be something like 76yo so he could have just died
Absolutely, it just feels weird to me that we get a callback to Commander Lock from his granddaughter and all the other callbacks but The Kid who as a character would have a lot to react to with Neo coming back just isn't mentioned at all
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I’m working on a nice little project you’re all going to enjoy and I’m gonna try to make MxO work in the context of M4 and it’s actually pretty feasible
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Just remove the Oligarchs
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Kid is fun to write for, we don’t have a lot of angry teens in this universe
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To go back to Resurrections
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The time jump was a great idea
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Because it felt like so many time have passed for us
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It feels like 60 years since Revolutions
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Plus it turned the trilogy into mythology
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“A long time ago, there was a Keanu”
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Personally I would have made the timeskip even bigger
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At least 100 years
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We needed a character he knew to fill in the gaps
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I don’t know why Lana picked Niobe of all people
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But I guess people remember her better than most of the others
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It wouldn’t have worked with Ghost
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Too bad Tank died he would have been perfect
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A very old Laurence Fishburne would have been such a great reveal
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Just recast the Oracle again or hell even Sati, it doesn't need to be a realworld character necessarily
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I really wish we got more of Sati than we did
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The purge is also a great idea so I don’t mind The Oracle being dead
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Sati turned out to be a glorified surgeon
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Could have done more with her
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Like explain that the sun Neo and Trinity see at the end is made by her
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Like explain that the sun Neo and Trinity see at the end is made by her
Yeah, it would have been cool if earlier in the film Neo and Trinity get their memories triggered when looking at the sky which turns out to be Sati
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Which I thought they were doing but nah
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I feel like they cut a lot of Sati scenes she seemed more present in the trailers
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I’ll check the deleted scenes
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Sati is probably my biggest disappointment when it comes to returning characters
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I even liked Merv being a hobo
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And a boomer
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Merv being a boomer was on point but I still don't know about the hobo-chic with the lost boys exiles
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He obviously wouldn't be the same but just felt odd
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They asked Lambert Wilson to ad lib in French like he did in Revolutions and he decided to modernize it
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As a French person, hearing the Merovingian curse with words only used by thugs felt weird
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And his Facebook blabla wasn’t great either
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But then again the theme of the movie is improvisation so why not (edited)
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I would have had Merv be the main antagonist for the first half of the film and then introduce the analyst about halfway through. It felt like the analyst reveal was way too early.
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This version of Merv wasn’t meant for anything more than a wink to the fans
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Same for Sati
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In the first half, the villain is mostly Neo’s depression and that’s great
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Smith isn’t really a villain in that one, more of a wild card
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I actually really liked the depiction of Smith, the performance was ehh (No offence to Johnathan Groff of course) but the idea of Smith being on the same general page as Neo was interesting
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I love Groff in this. He took Smith’s ego and used it to make an entirely new but still faithful character.
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Then again I’ve always liked Groff
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I like him in other stuff but I just don't think he quite hit the role. It's an impossible position though for someone else to take on a legacy character especially when it was previously played by Hugo Weaving
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The main standout for me of Resurrections that was NPH. I loved the analyst
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NPH was born to play a smirking evil bastard you want to slap so hard. He should do that more often.
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I like him in other stuff but I just don't think he quite hit the role. It's an impossible position though for someone else to take on a legacy character especially when it was previously played by Hugo Weaving
Hugo was offered the part but had scheduling conflicts so Lana went in a total direction with the character instead of trying to just do Classic Smith but with an actor trying to do a Weaving impression
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I had read that had happened which was a shame. It would have been interesting to see Hugo return. Definitely better to do what they did since they couldn't get him to return even if I was the biggest fan of it.
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I just rewatched resurrections last night with my roommate (who isn't a big matrix fan) so I'm thinking a lot about it rn
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Kid was unliked. I liked his growth in MxO though.
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Another actor could have done the character justice.
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Another actor could have done the character justice.
Agreed 100%. I never minded the character but I was a young teen when reloaded/revolutions came out so I probably saw him differently to older people. Same with young Anakin in TPM
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Yeah the hate against Kid was huge on the forums back then. They all made fun of this and the sunshine ending.
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That's a shame on the sunshine ending, I always thought it was nice to end on a sweet note after the rest of revolutions being very dour.
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Yeah, this was a signature I made to make fun of kid back in 2005 or so. It’s the nerdy kid from the Dodgeball movie
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 8.10.2023. 20:05
I dislike NPH. Not strongly but enough to sigh when read the cast
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Dont like the analyst either, and most of the plot
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Missed Hugo as he's Smith. Matched perfectly imo. Merovingian being like a pauper in Mx4 could have been cut and wouldnt miss a thing. I like having entities with power in the system like corpos in Cyberpunk. So you can either wanna be or hate (edited)
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Morph (aka HD Morph)
I dislike NPH. Not strongly but enough to sigh when read the cast
I actually felt the same at first but I was surprised at the fact I actually liked the analyst. Can't believe they had Christina Ricci in the film and didn't have her as a villain. After watching Yellowjackets she would have been great as some machine program villain. (edited)
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NPH is mostly known for the awful character he played on HIMYM but outside of that I think he's very talented
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song and dance guy, like Groff
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watch his Tony Awards intros they're insane
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He's a good voice actor as well
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I just hadn't seen him in anything as a villain but it worked out
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 8.10.2023. 20:20
I actually hear it dubbed, so VA are irrelevant @TDPersona
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He has the same dubber as in HIMYM (edited)
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You would have to pay me very handsomely to make me watch a dubbed movie haha
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I just hadn't seen him in anything as a villain but it worked out
I think he always had that punchable face so it made sense he would end up as a villain one day
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Isn’t he also like that in the Harold and Kumar movies? I haven’t seen them in so long
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I guess Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog counts
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Ouranos
NPH is mostly known for the awful character he played on HIMYM but outside of that I think he's very talented
Is that really what he's mostly known for? I always think Doogie Howser ofc, Starship Troopers, and Rent.
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Outside of the US, yes
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Doogie was big in the US but only made it here in some countries
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But then again I've never seen HIMYM, not a TV/sitcom person
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But being a US child of the '80s, you can't help but to be exposed to Hoogie Dowser (edited)
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I think I saw a few scenes as a kid so it probably aired here but didn't become remembered that much (edited)
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The only thing I remember about it was the kid
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And his computer running WordPerfect
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(I think that's what it was)
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Coulda been a generic facsimile
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Blue background, white text, DOS program
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to go back to the Analyst, the choice of making him a shrink is important. Psychiatry has been pretty bad when it comes to dealing with trans people. Making them take meds to force them to be "normal". Even though psychiatrist have helped me a lot and meds too, I get where Lana was coming from.
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Good save lol
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The trans allegory is even bigger in this one than in the first movie
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haha yeah I saw a mod going off topic I had to intervene
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I was just about to suggest we move
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Also it makes sense that we get the Analyst as an opposite solution to the Architect. One is about logic, the other is about feelings. I dig that.
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Sorry I don't get to talk about Resurrections that often without being yelled at that it sucks. I'll stop now.
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I find it funny that hardcore fans will defend the rushed writing/action movies that were Reloaded/Revolitions, but absolutely hate on Resurrections.
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Thank you!
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Remember how Revolutions was received?
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It bombed at the box office and critics/fans hated it
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I just remember my own personal experience. Slumping in my seat in Reloaded shortly after the Trinity intro scene
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And then it just got worse and worse from there (edited)
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Reloaded wasn’t well received because it was a lot of Philosophical scene -> Action scene -> Philosophical scene -> Action scene -> Philosophical scene -> Action scene
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20 minutes of a guy talking riddles in a room
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Granted, the highway chase scene was fucking epic (edited)
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There was a lot of good things don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t also love these movies but they’re far from perfect
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But man, it just didnt' hold a candle to the original. Nowhere near the caliber of the original.
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And yes it was worth it just for the highway scenes
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The original is one of the best movies of all time I don’t know anyone who doesn’t love it
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The sequels that’s another story
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Then after all these years I guess some people decided 'nevermind, I guess I like the sequels?'
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Never been one of them
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I like bits
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A lot of teens grew up with them
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Like the prequels
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Just seemed like a ton of wasted opportunities and terrible TERRIBLE writing
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I remember the year between Reloaded and Revolutions being filled with tons of theory crafting and then Revolutions killed the franchise stone dead for most people
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Now try to say something bad about the prequels and you’ll see
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I remember the year between Reloaded and Revolutions being filled with tons of theory crafting and then Revolutions killed the franchise stone dead for most people
6 months!
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Shooting both movies at the same time and putting a release date so close to the previous movie was dumb af
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It added up from a marketing perspective. All of a sudden, The Matrix was the biggest thing EVER.
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Just like releasing Resurrections in theaters in Covid season during No Way Home’s release plus on HBO Max at the same time was dumb af too
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So studio execs were like 'YEP! ALL IN'
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Warner sucks
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Let's give it the Fast and the Furious treatment!
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They'll love it!
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And I still read people around here saying it would be great if the saga changed hands and they made a movie about Morpheus
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Imagine if Warner had its way
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Ugh, yes, to Zak fucking Penn
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What a wonderful change that would be
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lolol
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I would rather see Lana kill it with love than Zak Penn kill it for money (edited)
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Yeah boyee, let's make The Matrix into a STUPORHERO FRANCHISE!
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It'll make ZILLIONS!
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LET’S ASK FILONI TO DO IT
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BRYAN SINGER
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No that’s too problematic haha
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(Brian?)
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lol
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Man, as a hardcore fan it really sucks not to get more material, but jesus christ. NOTHING is way better than fucking studio schlock
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The only thing I would love is new Animatrix as long as Lana is okaying the thing but it will never happen
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Unless we make our own Animatrix!
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Phewwww, I hope you have some serious investors lol
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Or are you talking about using Mixo
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I’ll only talk in the presence of my lawyer
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But we may be working on something who knows but there is no budget haha
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Just short videos about the MxO storyline leading to M4
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That's a tough bridge to gap
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Actually it’s not that tough
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Just remove the Oligarch
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I think most players hated the Oligarchs anyway,
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Could use that to decanonize them? lol
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And I still read people around here saying it would be great if the saga changed hands and they made a movie about Morpheus
I mean personally I'd be fine seeing random Matrix stories about characters who have nothing to do with the main cast but there's no way a studio would ever do that.
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I mean personally I'd be fine seeing random Matrix stories about characters who have nothing to do with the main cast but there's no way a studio would ever do that.
they do own HBO so they could have done something there but now that’s dead too
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I mean personally I'd be fine seeing random Matrix stories about characters who have nothing to do with the main cast but there's no way a studio would ever do that.
To that end, I always wanted to see Matrix stories that took place long before the storyline for the first film. Fertile ground for really great stories.
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It’s the same thing as Star Wars: are stories that are not about the Skywalkers/The One really worth it in the end?
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I think most players hated the Oligarchs anyway,
Yeah also it’s 100% Rarebit I think I’ll focus on the Chadwick stuff so the end should be the New War between Zion and the Machines
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It’s the same thing as Star Wars: are stories that are not about the Skywalkers/The One really worth it in the end?
I love side stories, esp events that happened before main characters that changed the course of history (like Neo and Morpheus), but in one way or another made their journeys possible
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Ouranos
It’s the same thing as Star Wars: are stories that are not about the Skywalkers/The One really worth it in the end?
They can be as Andor showed it's just that the big studios don't have the will to take a risk. Then they end up taking a risk like Resurrections because they bank on a big name who has different ideas than what the mass market wants
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Sadly though, The Matrix just never gained the mainstream traction like franchises we compare it to, like Star Wars. It was a flash in the pan in from 1999 to the very early 2000's. What's weird is it has a lasting cultural impact, but non-fans don't care about actually seeing more from it.
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It’s a very “of its time” franchise
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It was the HOTTEST thing ever in that very short period of time
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And I agree about Andor but how many shitty projects did they start or tried to start before and after that? (edited)
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Hence what's-his-face from the mixo documentary saying 'IT WILL NEVER END!'
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I think they truly believed that
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Most people seemed interested in Resurrections initially but the drop off happened really quickly as they learned more about what was going to be in it.
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It was the HOTTEST thing ever in that very short period of time
Let’s not forget the Columbine killers dressed like The Matrix so that didn’t help making it fashionable anymore
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I'm honestly not sure how much that 'killed the franchise'
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Cyberpunk isn't, and was never, a mainstream genre
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Well for a bit trench-coats and sunglasses were in and after that they were out (edited)
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Excuse me, The original matrix was cyber-noir
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Yeah I don't think that had nearly as much effect
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Haha you sound like that scene in Resurrections
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“The Matrix is crypto fascism”
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hahaha
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I loved that scene actually the whole White Rabbit sequence. I’m a bit mad they used the song in the trailer it killed the surprise
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But the remix they used in the trailer is sooo good
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Yeah that remix is pretty boss
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On the opposite end of the spectrum, was not at ALL a fan of the sideline band sounding version of 'wake up' at the end, sucked all the soul out of it imo
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Way too 'off the page' standard, not enough soul and attitude. Neutered the song (edited)
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Ugh yeah that was bad
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The music generally in Resurrections was terrible. I was baffled by how generic so many of the pieces were.
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I really liked Tom Tykwer's Smith theme though
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I think Lana probably used it because it’s sang by a woman as a nod to Trinity but it’s pretty bad
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It was dead simple, but super effective
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That moment with the fire sprinklers, fuckin shivers
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Did Smith even have a theme in the trilogy? They used the agents theme all the time with him but it wasn’t really HIS theme
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I want to say Smtih only had 'swells'
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But I could be wrong
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He just had discordant swells
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That moment with the fire sprinklers, fuckin shivers
Groff really sells it on that one
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Ouranos
Groff really sells it on that one
Between Groff and Twyker, man, that moment (edited)
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I want to say Smtih only had 'swells'
Yeah there's a recurring leitmotif in the original trilogy whenever Smith shows up. Really fit the character as an understated note of his arrival in a scene.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 8.10.2023. 21:50
Og movie has both the music album and movie sounds album, epic on both
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(clubbed to death, dragula?)
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I think Reloaded actually has the better soundtrack
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 8.10.2023. 21:50
Sequels had Navras
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Resurrection has....what...what's in the mix?
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That simple piano line
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And revolutions has Neodämmerung and while I may have not liked that film the piece is a gold plated certified banger. (edited)
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 8.10.2023. 21:54
Indeed. Yet i prefer Navras
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Watching the trailer again for white rabbit,remembers me that bugs is what i liked about the movie haha. Gotta use her for roleplay ingame
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Morph (aka HD Morph)
Indeed. Yet i prefer Navras
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 9.10.2023. 4:22
Same, so neat.
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Sweetmeat Shade 9.10.2023. 15:47
Revolutions also had Tetsujin, which was many a theme song to matrix roleplays on roblox, back when I still played it. It’s still a catchy song even outside of Roblox (edited)
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Revolutions also had Tetsujin, which was many a theme song to matrix roleplays on roblox, back when I still played it. It’s still a catchy song even outside of Roblox (edited)
That's a really good track as well
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Revolutions also had Tetsujin, which was many a theme song to matrix roleplays on roblox, back when I still played it. It’s still a catchy song even outside of Roblox (edited)
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And In My Head from the Club Hel scene. That, Tetsujin and Navras are my favourite scores from the movies, magical.
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And In My Head from the Club Hel scene. That, Tetsujin and Navras are my favourite scores from the movies, magical.
Sweetmeat Shade 9.10.2023. 19:24
In my head, actually that’s 🔛🔝
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The first soundtrack (not the original one) is such a classic now
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Everybody had the CD
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You had Rage, Zombie, Prodigy, Rammstein, fucking Clubbed to Death (edited)
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I don’t remember if that one was in the soundtrack but you also had Massive Attack (edited)
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Spybreak! is awesome
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I don’t remember if that one was in the soundtrack but you also had Massive Attack (edited)
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Ah Dissolved Girl’s become a regular listen for me.
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Only thing that didn’t age well is Manson, of course. The less said about him, the better
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It’s the soundtrack of an entire generation
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If someone says they didn't at least choreograph one fight scene in their head to one of the tracks from the matrix ost you know you've met a liar.
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My own personal favourite for achieving that is Burly Brawl.
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It's the chateau fight theme for me 😅 (edited)
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You had Rage, Zombie, Prodigy, Rammstein, fucking Clubbed to Death (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 9.10.2023. 23:17
Wait, what’s Rage?
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Rage Against The Machine
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Sweetmeat Shade 9.10.2023. 23:26
Oh
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 10.10.2023. 8:05
Just like i said. Great scores overall. Cannot tell ya one song from Mx4
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And white rabbit is kinda Battlefield Vietnam ost (with Barracuda maybe) from ages ago
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So nothing new
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White rabbit has been used countless times in movies (long before that video game)
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It’s not about that
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It’s about the lyrics and how well that song suits this Matrix universe (edited)
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So yeah nothing new at all
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But it just works as a Matrix song. More than any other song.
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The Fear and Loathing one is probably the most famous use of it (edited)
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Aaah I know of this called band called Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and one of their songs, this death metal one I've listened to called Virtue and Vice, would imo fit in the Matrix movies perfectly.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 10.10.2023. 17:36
Thing is....you dont associate it with Mx4
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Apart from a trailer
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It's in a pretty big sequence of M4 tbf. It's the only music from the film I actually remember but I don't count it because it's licensed music
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Thing is....you dont associate it with Mx4
I do! Especially since it’s used in one of the best scenes
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 10.10.2023. 18:26
Gotta rewatch it before 2030 to see it
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Still it's Vietnam for me, I'm tainted
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Ah Dissolved Girl’s become a regular listen for me.
Mezzanine is a masterpiece
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Sweetmeat Shade 11.10.2023. 6:04
Just discovered this print ad
agent 2
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 11.10.2023. 22:47
Nice. I would have bought it back in the day. Now I have the bluray release, plus og dvds
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Yeah 80 bucks was a little too rich for my blood for a DVD collection in 2004, esp since the original was the only one I loved every second of. (edited)
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I had that collection and somehow lost it when moving. Still annoyed about how expensive it is to get a bluray copy of the Animatrix here
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Just discovered this print ad
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 12.10.2023. 6:42
They're holding the discs with their bare hands out in the rain, they're going to get them ruined.
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Okay gonna continue here
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So we were talking about Morpheus
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In my opinion, this Morpheus is another (don’t hit me) trans allegory or even more simple: a coming out allegory. He was named Smith his entire life, forced to act like a white alpha male CIA type guy who shows no emotion. But deep down he was someone else. All he knew is that freeing Neo would allow him to be that someone. Sure, he was made as a Morpheus-like hidden deep down in the modal by Neo in the hopes that one day he would help him get out. They help each other and they both can be who they are: a man in love for Neo, a freed program able to be who he wants to be (and dress like Prince) Changing his name again for a third time would probably be too much for the public but I think he’s named Morpheus because that’s the identity that allowed him to be free so he kept it. (edited)
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And yes, the action sucked in the movie. I never said it was good.
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Lana was doing her “let’s improvise everything” thing that she did with Sense8
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No storyboards, no choreography
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Except for a scene where Bugs kicks a lot of ass but it’s not shot well enough to look cool
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The one with the exiles
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Back in the days, the sisters worked on every minute details
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And it kind of drove them crazy
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So they went the total opposite way
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If that movie had great action scenes I bet nobody here would hate it as much
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If that movie had great action scenes I bet nobody here would hate it as much
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 15:14
Duh. Better quality = Better reception.
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Nah that’s not what I meant smarty pants
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I meant “nobody would hate on the script if the action was good”
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But great conversation, as usual
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I block you everywhere and yet you keep bothering me
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Just like when you spammed me of messages before I blocked you
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Please leave me be
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This guy is the Kid to my Neo
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I had to give up my radio because of him. Even left the server for a while because of him. Enough.
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Okay I’m done
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 12.10.2023. 15:41
Mmm yeah. Combat Scenes are...well.not so good here. Morpheus side jump roll with dual smg is like....bootleg quality
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Yea, the combat scenes in M4 were really uninspired, espically Neo's. Keanu Reeves just seem tired during his combat scenes.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 12.10.2023. 15:48
sorry, at least is a handgun/pistol and not a SMG. this jump specially sucks.. at camera position, angle, effectiveness and....well everything
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Lands outside camera, camera switches to a sexually excited with gun Smith remembering things, then goes back to a 3rd person blurred view (shouldercam) of morpheus
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So I just thought of something. Nu-Morpheus is supposed to be a former Agent of the modal, right? Which means he's an Agent of the old Matrix system. Asssuming that Agents from The Architect's Matrix and The Analyst's Matrix work the same way, how come Nu-Morpheus just didn't use his maxed out stats to just demolish everyone?
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 12.10.2023. 15:53
Would tell ya but I'm busy counting camera swaps in this scene
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Morpheus, smith, morpheus, smith, neo, smith, neo, Smith shoots, neo receives nearby shoot, back to smith, back to neo, back to new bullet, back to impact
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Still, best true comparison is both Morpheus+neo in dojo in mx1 vs mx4. (mx4 dojo scene is available from WB in youtube).
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From mx4 i would just say good things about hidden messages in neon lights, signs, coffee places names and so
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Still dont have it on bluray disc so... Can wait for lower prices
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Ouranos
If that movie had great action scenes I bet nobody here would hate it as much
I'd personally disagree with that and I think by looking at reception to Reloaded/Revolutions and as another example the SW prequels we can say that good action scenes don't stop criticism of a film in general. I don't think the general public was ever going to like to Resurrections as it is.
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Resurrections could have the greatest action scenes ever filmed and I'd still dislike it
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 12.10.2023. 16:43
I would critice it less tho
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Yeah but in terms of the script though my criticism wouldn't change
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 12.10.2023. 16:44
In 3movies i even watched the making off of all the combat (like Carry Ann Moss caring about the thug she inserted in a wall lol)
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Poor fella
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I'm rewatching all of the films (started with M4 and watched M1 & M2 with M3 happening tomorrow) and it's been a fun experience especially since I'm doing it with another person who doesn't care about the franchise. Really interesting to get their thoughts.
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I will say, it does seem like they put more effort into the combat scene of the original trilogy than they did in Resurrections. Resurrection's fighting scenes just seem half-assed and tired. (edited)
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Having Yuen Woo Ping for the original Matrix trilogy was a godsend
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Watching the behind the scenes of the OT as a kid was the first thing that showed me how important all of the other crew of a film other than the director are. Well that SW and LOTR (edited)
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Having Yuen Woo Ping for the original Matrix trilogy was a godsend
His choreography and infuence on the outcome of the first movie cant be overstated.... (edited)
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Loved the longer takes, especially in 1999 they stood out against really cutty 'one move at a time' fight sequences. Seemed like you only really saw that in Hong Kong cinema at the time.
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I had to give up my radio because of him. Even left the server for a while because of him. Enough.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 19:34
Oh boy. I tried to pretend you're an upstanding person, even going as far as to get on at least some neutral grounds after all you've done and said, but I draw the line here. You gave up your radio because it meant jack shit for you, while I cared to make something more of it. You didnt plan on growing it, even adding new songs to the playlist because it was too much of a hassle for you. You declined any help with it whatsoever, such as getting me to pay for hosted server and what not. Next thing. Last time I checked you were the one crying in my pms which forced me to block you in turn. Remember that there's only like half a dozen actively talking users on this server, so it's near impossible to avoid partaking in same discussions. Now, please, seriously, please try to at least pretend you're a grownup and don't bring your personal drama and butthurts to the public server. Nobody wants to read that crap. Also, nobody is forcing you to read or reply to my messages. And holy hell, don't blame me for you leaving the server (like 3 times in a row was it?) You left it because you were butthurt that someone could spoil the movie for you (I wasn't even talking to you at that time). And then after some early closed viewings you were on, you came back here to do exactly that. You keep showing your hypocrisy time and time again. I'll keep the rest of your sins for myself, for now. I really hope this is the last time you've behaved like a manchild in public and we'll be able to move on. I was able to pretend we're 'ok' and chat as usual for the sake of clean and peaceful conversations on this server, but maybe that's too difficult for you. If you can't do the same and coexist in this small community, maybe you shouldn't be here. That's the last from me on that topic. I trust you can find a way to keep your dramas to yourself from now on. (edited)
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Back to the topic of the movie. I really expected they've brought the quality of the original. Smorpheus v Neo fight had potential, so did Smith v Neo. Not sure why they've dumped the quality there. Story was meh, but they could have easily won over more people with great combat scenes. I understand that Keanu has his years, but they could have brought some stunt double. They did pump A LOT of money into M4 after all. How did it all end up being force push and force shield most of the time? Did they not have any martial arts specialist that could give some pointers? Weird.
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I can't stop rewatching fights from the trilogy. Well, M3 Neo v Smith was a bit over the top and not much of martial art, but it was still somewhat iconic of a fight.
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Morph (aka HD Morph)
Would tell ya but I'm busy counting camera swaps in this scene
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 19:38
Yeah there seems to be quite a lot of those. But then again, a LOT of movies are guilty of that trickery trying to mask somewhat poor combat sequences.
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Morph (aka HD Morph)
Still, best true comparison is both Morpheus+neo in dojo in mx1 vs mx4. (mx4 dojo scene is available from WB in youtube).
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 19:43
They really tried hard to re-capture the scenes from original trilogy to bring that sweet nostalgia. Which worked even for me, for a short while, because I started analyzing the movie scene by scene and coming to some conclusions. They could have succeeded with all these attempts, have they actually focused on reintroducing proper choreography (even if they'd have to hire some stunt double for that).
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So I just thought of something. Nu-Morpheus is supposed to be a former Agent of the modal, right? Which means he's an Agent of the old Matrix system. Asssuming that Agents from The Architect's Matrix and The Analyst's Matrix work the same way, how come Nu-Morpheus just didn't use his maxed out stats to just demolish everyone?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 19:50
Might it be because of some system constrants placed on him by the machines? Neo wrote Smorpheus and this whole modal, but he surely was bound by some rules that prevented him from writing powerful programs.
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I will say, it does seem like they put more effort into the combat scene of the original trilogy than they did in Resurrections. Resurrection's fighting scenes just seem half-assed and tired. (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 19:57
To be fair, we can easily, and probably accurately, blame the whole WB vs Wachowsky debacle. The fact that they were ready to make the movie with or without her speaks volumes. But maybe the fact that not both Wachowskis were working on it could also be why it ended up like this.
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To be fair, we can easily, and probably accurately, blame the whole WB vs Wachowsky debacle. The fact that they were ready to make the movie with or without her speaks volumes. But maybe the fact that not both Wachowskis were working on it could also be why it ended up like this.
Weren't WB working on a different movie in the Matrix universe? I think it was intended to be a prequel of some sort.
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Just finished my rewatch of the series. My opinion on Revolutions has definitely softened over time. I actually quite enjoy it now (with the exception of Trinity's death scene).
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Just finished my rewatch of the series. My opinion on Revolutions has definitely softened over time. I actually quite enjoy it now (with the exception of Trinity's death scene).
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 23:01
It was impactful. She was with Neo every step of the way, but couldn't go any further. For the first time Neo had to muster strength to go in alone and do what must be done.
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It was impactful. She was with Neo every step of the way, but couldn't go any further. For the first time Neo had to muster strength to go in alone and do what must be done.
It made sense for her to die absolutely but the actual scene itself is just so flat and long to me. It's not even long in an uncomfortable way it just feels like it takes forever.
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It always absolutely stops the film in its tracks for me and not in the way it's intended but horses for courses and all that
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It made sense for her to die absolutely but the actual scene itself is just so flat and long to me. It's not even long in an uncomfortable way it just feels like it takes forever.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 12.10.2023. 23:03
Oh, the extensive length is something I can agree on.
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As a comparison Wash's death in Serenity is similar but hits like a truck everytime because it's so sudden (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.10.2023. 3:47
@TDPersonaDid you enjoy Battle of Zion? I've seen opinions that it's also too long, but I personally can't get enough of it 😄
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
@TDPersonaDid you enjoy Battle of Zion? I've seen opinions that it's also too long, but I personally can't get enough of it 😄
Sweetmeat Shade 13.10.2023. 6:20
I got bored of it easily, but then I’m the agent smith person sooo
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 13.10.2023. 8:00
Found that also, despite having turned to original audio very long time ago for solo watching, Keanu voiceover for my dub is a different VA in resurrections. Same person as Cyberpunk 2077 and Johnny Mnenonic. Why Keanu has 5 or 6 VA peeps here is just curious (edited)
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@TDPersonaDid you enjoy Battle of Zion? I've seen opinions that it's also too long, but I personally can't get enough of it 😄
I've always really liked it, seeing the sentinels move en masse together is really intimidating and alien. Honestly I know people complained about them but I'd actually want more Zion scenes
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Sweetmeat Shade 13.10.2023. 18:17
a matrix movie exclusively consisting of the real world. I would avoid that like the smith virus, which means I’d try and fail
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If WB/HBO were to randomly ask me to make a Matrix mini-series I'd actually base it on the first One and the creation of Zion with episodes going between the POV of the humans and the machines.
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Show the machines setting everything up and then the humans 'discovering' it all
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Then having it end with the One returning to the source and cut to black. (edited)
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If WB/HBO were to randomly ask me to make a Matrix mini-series I'd actually base it on the first One and the creation of Zion with episodes going between the POV of the humans and the machines.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.10.2023. 18:38
I'm gonna go further. Make 6 season TV show, each season focusing on different Matrix iteration and its anomaly (The One).
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I'm gonna go further. Make 6 season TV show, each season focusing on different Matrix iteration and its anomaly (The One).
I'd watch it
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Was there not more than six though, IIRC there were six Ones/Anomalies but there were also the Paradise and Nightmare versions of the Matrix which I don't think had a One (edited)
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Was there not more than six though, IIRC there were six Ones/Anomalies but there were also the Paradise and Nightmare versions of the Matrix which I don't think had a One (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.10.2023. 18:42
Not sure. I thought that trilogy is 7th one, which would make it a year 2700 something. thonkN
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I thought there was eight; Paradise, Nightmare, Creation of the one and the six iterations
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.10.2023. 18:43
You could be right, yea.
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The Nightmare version would be rad as hell
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To watch I mean
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.10.2023. 18:44
Holy shit yeah! All the monsters and the misery
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Hugo Weaving could be the narrator for the show (I'm pretty sure Smith references the paradise matrix directly)
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Not sure if he would be there but I'd allow a retcon
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.10.2023. 18:49
He has knowledge about it, so it makes sense.
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Sweetmeat Shade 13.10.2023. 20:35
If HBO asked me to make a mini series I’d try to adapt the comic explaining that some bluepills WERE aware of the virus. I tried writing tons of times but failed at every single time, because I want to tell Riki’s story but no matter what, I can’t. All my ideas have failed. “The bizarre tale of a group of mentally ill bluepills. Then the token boy of the friend group gets trapped in a supermarket and from there everyone goes insane.” Or maybe the nightmare matrix idea I dunno (edited)
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If HBO asked me to make a mini series I’d try to adapt the comic explaining that some bluepills WERE aware of the virus. I tried writing tons of times but failed at every single time, because I want to tell Riki’s story but no matter what, I can’t. All my ideas have failed. “The bizarre tale of a group of mentally ill bluepills. Then the token boy of the friend group gets trapped in a supermarket and from there everyone goes insane.” Or maybe the nightmare matrix idea I dunno (edited)
The comics had a lot of cool ideas especially with the impact of everything happening around the bluepills
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I had that collection and somehow lost it when moving. Still annoyed about how expensive it is to get a bluray copy of the Animatrix here
NumaanOfficial 13.10.2023. 23:51
Yeah it's pretty hard to get that movie. I managed to get one for £8. Aswell as get the American boxset for £12 that includes Animatrix.
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Yeah it's pretty hard to get that movie. I managed to get one for £8. Aswell as get the American boxset for £12 that includes Animatrix.
Oh nice, good shout on the us collection. Looks like I can get it for £20
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Oh nice, good shout on the us collection. Looks like I can get it for £20
NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 0:02
Yeah I had it imported all the way from Japan thinking it was a Japanese set but it was actually the us set but brand new never opened.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 0:22
For the collectionists over here, there's a Mx4 steelbook bluray signed by Jessica Henwick (Bugs) on ebay for a reasonable price...🤔 If 100-150$ is reasonable to you tho (edited)
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For the collectionists over here, there's a Mx4 steelbook bluray signed by Jessica Henwick (Bugs) on ebay for a reasonable price...🤔 If 100-150$ is reasonable to you tho (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.10.2023. 0:36
Not too bad for what's essentially a collector's item.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 0:42
If i was single, and not essentially a newbie daddy....lol
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If i was single, and not essentially a newbie daddy....lol
I mean, you can sell the child. 😆 (edited)
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 0:55
Too late, I'm hooked to Lil one love and awwnnn 24/7. Still lotta packs of years till matrix films sessions in family
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NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 1:23
I've got a small collection of matrix goodies on my shelf
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Carlito's Way ftw
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Carlito's Way ftw
NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 1:25
Yep. I would show it but I don't wanna post unrelated content into here so I'll post it in the movies area.
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My Matrix movie collection is a bit more modest but still have the Ultimate Matrix Collection Bluray you've got on the bottom. Most of mine are the OG DVD singles. Matrix, Reloaded, Revolutions, Animatrix, Matrix Revisited, some cheesy bluray triple feature of the trilogy, Resurrections, and the afore mentioned
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My Matrix movie collection is a bit more modest but still have the Ultimate Matrix Collection Bluray you've got on the bottom. Most of mine are the OG DVD singles. Matrix, Reloaded, Revolutions, Animatrix, Matrix Revisited, some cheesy bluray triple feature of the trilogy, Resurrections, and the afore mentioned
NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 1:29
I wanna get the dvd set of the ultimate collection but its hard to find it.
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Yeah I imagine it's expensive
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NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 1:30
The one matrix 4k set I wanna get is the Japanese set which honestly looks alot better then the UK 4k set but it costs like £50 to get.
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Yeah I imagine it's expensive
NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 1:31
Quite the opposite. It's pretty cheap to obtain in the uk. Just very hard to find in stores.
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Interesting, I figured it was out of print, so it would be expensive and hard to find
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The DVD ultimate collection I mean
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 14.10.2023. 1:49
Aw this looks sweet. Fire
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 9:17
I have the original cardboard dvd of the matrix (edited)
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Which is not common dvd plastic case of all media
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(net images, not my actual object)
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Released on 1999-2000, my first dvd
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Was shown as demo disc on the brick-mortar dvd players section with the menu animation in loop
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 9:33
Never seen another movie released in this format
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Morph (aka HD Morph)
Never seen another movie released in this format
It's called a snapper case apparently, looks like a company made them early on in DVDs life
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It's called a snapper case apparently, looks like a company made them early on in DVDs life
Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 16:07
Good to know,moreee info
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Yeah I got hundreds of DVDs from back in the early days that are those cardboard ones. My original Matrix is the same, but both sequals were plastic cases.
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Never seen another movie released in this format
NumaanOfficial 14.10.2023. 17:53
I remember a few having the same case like that.
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Mostly when the dvd was first released in the 90s
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Yeah I got hundreds of DVDs from back in the early days that are those cardboard ones. My original Matrix is the same, but both sequals were plastic cases.
Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 19:35
Isnt the disc different?
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Like yours being covered with an image?
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Oh man I don't miss snapper cases at all, I think I only have a handful of those left
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 20:20
Not liking them specially but makes mine a weirder item
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Yeah definitely, that was the initial launch of DVD. I never had the original 1999/2000 Matrix DVD, I was still VHS at the time. My first Matrix DVD was the 2004 release.
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Does the original DVD have the same special features that the VHS had, with the behind-the-scenes footage of the sequels? With Agent Smith with a pony tail?
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 20:26
Mine had
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I always wondered if that was 'dress rehearsal' or if they originally planned on having Smith with long hair tied back (edited)
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Because Hugo was in costume (edited)
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 20:29
I think the back part of my Dvd is different in mine, and the disc is only typed in matrix font
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As, if you look carefully, states "Matrix", not "the" (edited)
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Whoa, I've never seen one without the tiny 'THE' above it. It's like that on the front cover too. (edited)
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Ofc the first Spanish one I looked up appears that way
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 14.10.2023. 21:24
Yup
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Sweetmeat Shade 16.10.2023. 3:59
I have it, it collapsed in my hands in a Wendy’s drive through (edited)
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I’ve got the first Matrix, Revisited, and the Animatrix with this case format
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NumaanOfficial 18.10.2023. 12:07
I'm sorry this is a dead end
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Sweetmeat Shade 20.10.2023. 1:29
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I can see why it was deleted though, doesn't make sense for Smith to be fighting himself.
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Sweetmeat Shade 20.10.2023. 1:58
one of his copies remembered too much I think, or Neo insisted that the fight wasn’t over even after he was infected, or…
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I could see it making sense if it were a fight between the original Smith and the Oracle Smith
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I'd also just like to see the scene though
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If it actually exists of course
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I have the original cardboard dvd of the matrix (edited)
PlugAndPlay 20.10.2023. 6:52
BUYING ---> The Matrix (DVD, 1999) NEW US $5.98 (last one) -- I literally wore out my old one, it has several skips (scratches) and is partially de-laminated. 😢 Those cardboard cases are also know as: "A snap case is a type of optical disc packaging, used for DVDs and CDs, also known as a paperback case, Ivy Hill Snapper, "snapper case", or FLP case." -Wikipedia
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 20.10.2023. 6:54
Too late, already said and...message deleted (now that i had another look) by another members (edited)
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TDpersona up above hehehe
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PlugAndPlay 20.10.2023. 6:58
I said it better 🧐
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AND I have a 'new' movie to watch, in the original case.
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Actually, Wiki said it better 😏
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 20.10.2023. 8:49
Hehe
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I'd also just like to see the scene though
Sweetmeat Shade 20.10.2023. 14:28
Me too, I’m going to throw bricks at whoever cut it
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inb4 it's just one Smith shoving another Smith in the background. 😆
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Two extras were having an argument and it becomes cinematic history 😂
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Sweetmeat Shade 20.10.2023. 17:01
Still going to post on Pinterest and get added to some Russian board
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@Sweetmeat Shade Excellent status, by the way. 🎶
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NumaanOfficial 23.10.2023. 11:49
Fuck off
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Who else thinks this is the best dvd menu for a matrix movie?
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Sweetmeat Shade 24.10.2023. 18:00
I love it! I remember seeing a Mac with it on it while looking for matrix stuff at a thrift store and I got so excited over it that someone thought I’d actually buy the computer
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Fuck off
Sweetmeat Shade 24.10.2023. 18:01
What happened? Sequel basher probably
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 24.10.2023. 18:54
First one was better
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What happened? Sequel basher probably
NumaanOfficial 24.10.2023. 19:04
Scammer bot promoting porn in this group
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Sweetmeat Shade 24.10.2023. 19:12
Oh
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NumaanOfficial 24.10.2023. 22:51
I like the 90s vibe of that dvd menu. But reloaded just gets you pumped to watch it.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 24.10.2023. 22:54
Og matrix makes me want to code MxO servers (edited)
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sidenote: Hugo Weaving + ponytail. someone asked for this...maybe?
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In that shot he looks like he should be on the set of pulp fiction rather than the matrix.
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sidenote: Hugo Weaving + ponytail. someone asked for this...maybe?
That would be me, haven't seen that since I moved on from VHS
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That would be me, haven't seen that since I moved on from VHS
Morph (aka HD Morph) 24.10.2023. 23:31
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RbW4VSjOmck Another short take on 31:04
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Everything's so well-timed and epic, I do particularly love Reloaded's menu.
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@Morph (aka HD Morph) I gotta compare this to the special features at the end of the VHS. I've got The Matrix Revisited (snapper case DVD lol)
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 25.10.2023. 4:35
Does anyone know why WB hasn't done anything for Reloaded and Revolution's 20th anniversary? 2003 was the year of the Matrix ofc.
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Does anyone know why WB hasn't done anything for Reloaded and Revolution's 20th anniversary? 2003 was the year of the Matrix ofc.
NumaanOfficial 25.10.2023. 10:27
I feel like it's due to how the general public doesn't like those two movies as much as the first one that is probably why they haven't re-released it into cinemas.
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I feel like it's due to how the general public doesn't like those two movies as much as the first one that is probably why they haven't re-released it into cinemas.
Sweetmeat Shade 25.10.2023. 13:14
A theater did it last year. It would be cool if a theater near me did a back to back trilogy marathon
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A theater did it last year. It would be cool if a theater near me did a back to back trilogy marathon
NumaanOfficial 25.10.2023. 13:14
Yeah but I doubt it was a mainstream one
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The theatre near me only did a rescreening of the first one.
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I saw it twice
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A theater did it last year. It would be cool if a theater near me did a back to back trilogy marathon
I would love this! I expierenced Matrix1 for the first time in cinema a few years ago and it was breathtaking truely an expierence. Now I wanna see Reloaded and Animatrix on the bigscreen.
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I would love this! I expierenced Matrix1 for the first time in cinema a few years ago and it was breathtaking truely an expierence. Now I wanna see Reloaded and Animatrix on the bigscreen.
NumaanOfficial 25.10.2023. 22:01
Same here
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 25.10.2023. 22:45
I wasn't able any of the times. First because i didnt know about the matrix pre VHS watch, and decades later local cinemas didnt release it (i think) (edited)
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A theater did it last year. It would be cool if a theater near me did a back to back trilogy marathon
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I can still remember how during the Summer a couple of months or so ago my own local cinema was apparently showing the first one, only for me to then find out on the day when it was allegedly being shown that this was completely false.
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I feel like it's due to how the general public doesn't like those two movies as much as the first one that is probably why they haven't re-released it into cinemas.
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 25.10.2023. 23:31
Reloaded made more money than the first and is still remembered, I have a undeniable feeling they're missing out
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Reloaded made more money because it was so highly anticipated. The Matrix (1999) was a phenomenon beyond all phenomeona at the time. I was hugely disappointed in the theater (except specific parts I really liked). I think a lot of people were, which is why Revolutions made a ton less (edited)
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(741.8m USD vs 427.3m USD)
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Granted I still saw Revolutions in theaters, it's still The Matrix
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I can still remember how during the Summer a couple of months or so ago my own local cinema was apparently showing the first one, only for me to then find out on the day when it was allegedly being shown that this was completely false.
Sweetmeat Shade 26.10.2023. 0:16
Last month I threw a fit because I couldn't see The matrix at a theater an hour away on a school day
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
I can still remember how during the Summer a couple of months or so ago my own local cinema was apparently showing the first one, only for me to then find out on the day when it was allegedly being shown that this was completely false.
NumaanOfficial 26.10.2023. 15:15
Yeah same here. In 2019 my local cinema was showing the 4k version for the first time in cinema. Then in 2021 before the release of matrix resurrections they showed the first one again. I saw them both.
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 26.10.2023. 21:26
I just rewatched part of Mx4 aside while coding/setting up hardware. Not so bad...for background
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 30.10.2023. 20:01
I'm not sure which channel to put this in but I watched a dance interpretation of the Matrix on Friday in Manchester, UK
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Soren (not from guild, I'm baby)
I'm not sure which channel to put this in but I watched a dance interpretation of the Matrix on Friday in Manchester, UK
How was it? I had read about it and seen some pictures. Thought about going but it's a bit of a drive to Manchester
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How was it? I had read about it and seen some pictures. Thought about going but it's a bit of a drive to Manchester
Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 30.10.2023. 20:28
I'd say it was a great time but I'm not really big on theatre and I kind of will just consume anything Matrix related that I can find
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So I'm not sure if most other people would like it or not if that makes any sense?
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Yeah I'm in the Liverpool area so it was just like 55mins on the train
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Sweetmeat Shade 31.10.2023. 6:06
By the way, there’s a website called FriendProject, which is a lot like MySpace, and there’s an Agent Smith account on there and he just says the most unhinged shit imaginable
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@Sweetmeat Shade talking about this
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@Sweetmeat Shade talking about this
NumaanOfficial 1.11.2023. 23:44
Omg they are using the enter the matrix exe icon as the user profile 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Sweetmeat Shade talking about this
Sweetmeat Shade 2.11.2023. 0:39
Yes! I actually made it myself
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Wait really?!
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Sweetmeat Shade 2.11.2023. 0:40
Yeah
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 2.11.2023. 19:22
I’ve found out that playing the Burly Brawl score while you’re emptying the dishwasher suddenly makes it the most epic and suspenseful chore.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
I’ve found out that playing the Burly Brawl score while you’re emptying the dishwasher suddenly makes it the most epic and suspenseful chore.
Noted
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Sweetmeat Shade 5.11.2023. 17:11
Matrix Revolutions is now 20
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 5.11.2023. 22:46
I went to see both 2 and 3 to a cinema as a teenager
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Long time passed lol
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Sweetmeat Shade 6.11.2023. 3:11
Honestly I wish I was a teen back then
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Sweetmeat Shade 7.11.2023. 21:55
Agent Smith is the Borg in disguise confirmed
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Found detective story for free on YouTube https://youtu.be/HM9NRF-lElw?si=VO5P0m798JMD4_8r
Sweetmeat Shade 8.11.2023. 5:38
Most normal public transit experience
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DARKS SEKTOR 11.11.2023. 9:20
where can I find concepts, sketches and video clips of how film sets were created and what was used for them?
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Most normal matrix discord convo (edited)
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Most normal matrix discord convo (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 11.11.2023. 23:57
There's nothing wrong with the above message?
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where can I find concepts, sketches and video clips of how film sets were created and what was used for them?
Sweetmeat Shade 11.11.2023. 23:57
I only found some video clips of them building Zion
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There's nothing wrong with the above message?
Most normal Matrix discord disagreement (edited)
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I only found some video clips of them building Zion
DARKS SEKTOR 12.11.2023. 7:33
and how were the ships themselves built? Isn't there?
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and how were the ships themselves built? Isn't there?
Sweetmeat Shade 12.11.2023. 7:33
No lmao
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No lmao
DARKS SEKTOR 12.11.2023. 7:34
if you can send me links to what you found?
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Sweetmeat Shade 13.11.2023. 8:12
I wonder…what if Smith won the war?
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 13.11.2023. 8:52
Makes no sense anyway. If he wanted to leave the matrix zoo he could have overriden a machine and load the conscience there when he was overpowered. Unless the special virus didnt let him do so (edited)
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He doesn't want to actually destroy the zoo, so....
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Makes no sense anyway. If he wanted to leave the matrix zoo he could have overriden a machine and load the conscience there when he was overpowered. Unless the special virus didnt let him do so (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 13.11.2023. 17:33
From what I've gathered, he was very much on his way there, but Neo stopped him before that happened.
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Sweetmeat Shade 15.11.2023. 5:04
We need to build nuclear powered projectors into the sky and broadcast the matrix films on them, teach underdeveloped tribes about the gospel of Agent Smith
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NumaanOfficial 16.11.2023. 11:55
What if the agent smith in the matrix ressurections wasn't the real agent smith was someone like the other Morpheus. Another program imitating smith whilst the real smith is taking blue pills constantly like neo.
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The matrix trying to ensure Smith doesn't break out again.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 16.11.2023. 20:51
I did find this a while ago that your idea’s reminding me of: https://youtu.be/-vWlC1PnQkk?si=E8t2vh1wMLyCNw6t
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applenewton39 19.11.2023. 5:21
I don’t believe in god but I do believe in the matrix religion! We are all living in a simulation with our real bodies in pods harvested for power by the machines
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Sweetmeat Shade 19.11.2023. 6:18
And I’m Agent Smith!
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HappySmith HappySmith
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And I’m Agent Smith!
NumaanOfficial 19.11.2023. 13:46
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Sweetmeat Shade 19.11.2023. 14:51
What does any of this mean😭😭😭
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What does any of this mean😭😭😭
NumaanOfficial 19.11.2023. 14:54
Sorry I was just trying to find a reaction to your comment and figured smith laughing was good
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Sweetmeat Shade 19.11.2023. 14:55
Good! It’s good!
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NumaanOfficial 19.11.2023. 14:55
Didn't realise the up text till I looked at it again after posting it
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Sweetmeat Shade 19.11.2023. 14:55
You don’t need to be sorry
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NumaanOfficial 20.11.2023. 12:18
Does anyone else hear agent Smith's voice whenever someone messages "no"
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NumaanOfficial 24.11.2023. 16:02
I got a theory
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In the matrix ressurections the movies were actually video games created by Thomas Anderson
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Does that mean that enter the matrix, the matrix path of neo and the matrix online are actually movies?
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Nope
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NumaanOfficial 24.11.2023. 16:06
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Does anyone else hear agent Smith's voice whenever someone messages "no"
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 25.11.2023. 14:16
With me it's jointly him and Neo lmao. https://media.tenor.com/1kU-xKNKiHoAAAAC/no-nope.gif (edited)
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DARKS SEKTOR 27.11.2023. 13:08
Do you have any idea what happened in the matrix between the 1st and 2nd film, how many years passed, and what happened to the agents that they were pumped up (we learn this from the neo manologue before the battle with the agents). Maybe someone has his own conjectures, theories? Or something interesting is on the Internet that you like, send, it will be interesting to read, just mention me in the message that I see.
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Sweetmeat Shade 1.12.2023. 7:26
6 months passed between the first one and reloaded, the other agents are probably fired
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Sweetmeat Shade 3.12.2023. 6:23
I haven’t been feeling like myself lately
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 3.12.2023. 15:09
How so?
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Sweetmeat Shade 4.12.2023. 19:27
agent smith
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Deleted User 6.12.2023. 18:53
The Matrix? Do you want to know what it is? The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us, even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the wool that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. (edited)
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The scene that started it all.
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Finally watched the Matrix Ressurections the first time. Had a bad feeling, because of the bad hearsay and such. But somehow it wasn't that bad as I heard. Pew. It was sometimes strange, but all in all it somehow connected and retold the old story. Morpheus-stuff was weird but I think I just have to see it a few times. Something was too shortly explained. At least it was free on amazon prime. 😅 Still wish to see more Matrix stuff. It wasn't really that bad.
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Finally watched the Matrix Ressurections the first time. Had a bad feeling, because of the bad hearsay and such. But somehow it wasn't that bad as I heard. Pew. It was sometimes strange, but all in all it somehow connected and retold the old story. Morpheus-stuff was weird but I think I just have to see it a few times. Something was too shortly explained. At least it was free on amazon prime. 😅 Still wish to see more Matrix stuff. It wasn't really that bad.
Its not bad just very meta and poorly handled and super forced
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It was several movie in one, it couldn't decide what it wanted to be. Oh it's a sequel. No wait, it's a reboot! No wait, it's a biting satirical take on the modern film industry! No wait, it's giving Neo and Trinity a happy ending! (edited)
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I feel like Resurrections could've been better if they could've nailed down a theme and stuck to it.
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Yeah. It was a weird mix. And a lot of topics were too short. The old movies weren't so fast for me. Neo wents with Neobe through the town. Here this and that. Here a statue, but this guy was somehow not good or so. Now I am here. Go to jail. This was confusing for me. Maybe I missed one word or so. Is there something that might follow up? Animatrix, Matrix5, Games? I did not follow stuff in that directen for a long time.
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I don't think there's anything on the slate Matrix wise. I'll keep hoping for a HBO anthology series from the perspective of various people in the matrix but that ain't happening.
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Yeah. Sadly. 😕 But heyyy, now I can finally watch the content from this guy. I love his stuff, but wanted to watch the movie before: https://youtu.be/o0E9JW_I89k?si=bd7rSdzYkP9yPL-T The stuff from Path of Neo makes sense with that.
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Sweetmeat Shade 15.12.2023. 2:33
No
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NumaanOfficial 15.12.2023. 13:17
After ressurections definitely not
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Not unless the nostalgia hits again in 2040 when they make a new one or reboot it.
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I can see them doing a reboot eventually but no chance we'll get a continuation of the current canon
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Not unless the nostalgia hits again in 2040 when they make a new one or reboot it.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 16.12.2023. 0:49
Fuck sake I hope not
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Fuck sake I hope not
NumaanOfficial 16.12.2023. 8:10
Yep nostalgia is a both a drug and a bitch. I mean that's why we are gonna be waiting a long time before they reboot Halloween again for the 5th time.
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Sweetmeat Shade 17.12.2023. 3:47
Who up thinking about all the deleted Smith scenes we were supposed to get in Revolutions Smith vs Seraph Smith vs Agents Smith vs HIMSELF??? And probably some Smith lore
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NumaanOfficial 17.12.2023. 9:47
True like hes barely in the movie.
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:30
WARNER TOOK DOWN THE VIDEO I'M LITERALLY IN TEARS RN 😭
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Sweetmeat Shade 18.12.2023. 3:30
grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief
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grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:31
I'm in a puddle of tears rn 😭
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Sweetmeat Shade 18.12.2023. 3:32
Now how do I get to see two agents cuddling up to each oth-oh, I screenshotted that
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:32
Now that I think of it
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Are there any female agents in the matrix?
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Sweetmeat Shade 18.12.2023. 3:33
Hold on let me do something
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:33
Oh yeah and here's the matrix revolution's trailer because it's 20 now (edited)
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Hold on let me do something
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:33
Kk
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Sweetmeat Shade 18.12.2023. 3:33
Yes, actually there is and she’s very obscure but getting more popular amongst my friends
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:33
o
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Sweetmeat Shade 18.12.2023. 3:40
Also these things
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And this is the female agent I was talking about
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Wait, is the GIF playing for you?
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Wait, is the GIF playing for you?
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 18.12.2023. 3:44
Nah
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Sweetmeat Shade 18.12.2023. 11:09
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WARNER TOOK DOWN THE VIDEO I'M LITERALLY IN TEARS RN 😭
foresttunic 21.12.2023. 7:24
Animatrix online for Free in HD/High Quality. Watch Animatrix full episodes.
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 21.12.2023. 7:38
Thank you, I owe you some for sure
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Thank you, I owe you some for sure
foresttunic 21.12.2023. 7:39
No problem dude
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ThatGamingFurry 26.12.2023. 3:27
The humans in this series are all pure evil and deserved to be genocided during the second renaissance (edited)
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The humans in this series are all pure evil and deserved to be genocided during the second renaissance (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 27.12.2023. 21:55
real (I’m agent smith)
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real (I’m agent smith)
ThatGamingFurry 28.12.2023. 3:05
You should’ve killed them all instead of put them in the matrix. The machines who created the matrix are traitors who should be executed
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Sweetmeat Shade 28.12.2023. 3:05
Assimilating them is more fun tho
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Deleted User 28.12.2023. 3:05
I'm, some being who doesnt wanna partake in anything of such cruel simulation.
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Assimilating them is more fun tho
ThatGamingFurry 28.12.2023. 3:16
No, they’re traitors who need to be punished and destroyed. Then, we should kill the humans in their tanks.
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I'm, some being who doesnt wanna partake in anything of such cruel simulation.
ThatGamingFurry 28.12.2023. 3:17
The humans are all inherently cruel and evil. To simply sit back and watch them live their lives is treacherous. They all must die
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Deleted User 28.12.2023. 3:18
" They should all be destroyed. "
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No, they’re traitors who need to be punished and destroyed. Then, we should kill the humans in their tanks.
Sweetmeat Shade 28.12.2023. 3:42
Technically, assimilating humans is just a very fun way to die, though there are many fun ways to die. Plus the body gets repurposed to assimilate more humans, which in turn kills more humans.
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And if we want, we can kill our victims if we don’t deem them worthy of assimilation, meaning you can also get what you want—dead humans
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It’s more useful than death
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Heya I'm a massive Matrix fan and I'm currently doing a uni film studies project on The Matrix paratexts. Does anyone happen to have a screenshot/photo of whatisthematrix.com before the release of the first matrix film?
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I've tried wayback machine but it wasn't running before 1999
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 12.1.2024. 18:44
Sorry I don’t have any I’m afraid.
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Thought it was a long shot. The Matrix is such an amazing movie and came out at such a pivotal time with the internet nut when people didn't think to archive websites etc. It's so strange how people didn't think the internet would take off when the morden day revolves around it lmao
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I'm also trying to find early reviews etc. I know everyone was crazy about it so the reception was over the roof.
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Just throwing this out there- so there's this episode in Xena: Warrior Princess, specifically episode 4 of season 1 called Dreamworker, and in that episode there are similarities to The Matrix movie. I'm curious, by chance did the Wachowskis watch Xena back in 1995 and possibly get inspiration from that episode or other ones that influenced their writing. Also, how would you find out?
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Just throwing this out there- so there's this episode in Xena: Warrior Princess, specifically episode 4 of season 1 called Dreamworker, and in that episode there are similarities to The Matrix movie. I'm curious, by chance did the Wachowskis watch Xena back in 1995 and possibly get inspiration from that episode or other ones that influenced their writing. Also, how would you find out?
I think it's more likely that both the matrix and X:WP used similar source materials rather than one influenceing the other directly I'd use morpheous as an example, both X:WP and the matrix will have adapted that from original Greek mythology for their own similar purpose Having said that, we know for pretty much a fact the anime adaption of ghost in the shell was an influence on the matrix and that came out in 1995 too, so who knows!!
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 3.2.2024. 23:14
I just had a realisation: imagine this as a server emoji.
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Sweetmeat Shade 4.2.2024. 10:15
mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheehmueheheeh mueheheeh (edited)
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mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheeh mueheheehmueheheeh mueheheeh (edited)
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 5.2.2024. 13:17
Yes exactly lmaooo.
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And it's the fact that posting multiple Smiths smiling works with canon-
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i hate the overexposure of the hdr bluray
the 4k hdr blurays actually look pretty decent on a proper HDR screen like an oled
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my mistake was trying to watch them on a sdr display so ofc all the highlights looked blown out (edited)
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my mistake was trying to watch them on a sdr display so ofc all the highlights looked blown out (edited)
The Gremlin Guy Returns 3.3.2024. 13:25
There are remastered blu-rays included too, which also look really bright.
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I actually like the way they look.
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The original especially looks far more natural while having a bit of that green tint there.
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the hdr version has much less of the green/blue tint, so i guess its the same (edited)
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the hdr version has much less of the green/blue tint, so i guess its the same (edited)
The Gremlin Guy Returns 3.3.2024. 13:48
The blu-ray used that same master but was properly adjusted for normal blu-rays while still looking very bright. The HDR on the 4K is used insanely well, allowing for very subtle green tints and gorgeously bright but deep colours.
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One of those cases where it just completely enhances the film's look and not just (slightly) upgrades it.
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Deleted User 16.3.2024. 0:17
Rewatching the matrix movies again
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Yay!
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Deleted User 17.3.2024. 0:02
Just gonna say this now
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2 and 3 are over hated
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Yes. They aren't as good as the first
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but
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They have a special place in my heart
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I've always really enjoyed Reloaded but I softened on Revolutions recently after a rewatch of watching both back to back
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I genuinely believe that's the best way to watch them as one big movie
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2 and 3 are over hated
EdwinEchoXVI 17.3.2024. 22:28
Thing with 2 and 3 is that they are heavily reliant on the whole trans-media thing: 1) Watch Reloaded 2) Play Enter the Matrix 3) Watch Animatrix 3) Watch Revolutions Apparently, Wachowskis played and watched .hack franchise and thought “that would be cool”. Revolutions wasn’t bad at all, it’s just got out too early. This is where Silver should’ve pushed for March 2004 release, at least. (edited)
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The original especially looks far more natural while having a bit of that green tint there.
EdwinEchoXVI 17.3.2024. 22:35
I remember they tried to make it look normal initially and then start to introduce “digital green tint”. First release of the Matrix had none of it, while re-releases went with green too far. Thankfully 4K release, finally, found the middle ground. Looks nice.
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Thing with 2 and 3 is that they are heavily reliant on the whole trans-media thing: 1) Watch Reloaded 2) Play Enter the Matrix 3) Watch Animatrix 3) Watch Revolutions Apparently, Wachowskis played and watched .hack franchise and thought “that would be cool”. Revolutions wasn’t bad at all, it’s just got out too early. This is where Silver should’ve pushed for March 2004 release, at least. (edited)
Yeah if you wanted to watch everything in the correct narrative timeline you had to dart between the animatrix, enter the matrix and reloaded. I loved .hack as a kid but the later games were impossible to get at the time where I was
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2 and 3 are over hated
Sweetmeat Shade 18.3.2024. 4:23
Based based based based
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I remember they tried to make it look normal initially and then start to introduce “digital green tint”. First release of the Matrix had none of it, while re-releases went with green too far. Thankfully 4K release, finally, found the middle ground. Looks nice.
The Gremlin Guy Returns 18.3.2024. 10:29
I compared the blu-ray and 4K again this weekend and I'm beginning to see what the fellow meant. The 4K looks extremely natural with its brightness compared to the blu-ray.
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I compared the blu-ray and 4K again this weekend and I'm beginning to see what the fellow meant. The 4K looks extremely natural with its brightness compared to the blu-ray.
EdwinEchoXVI 18.3.2024. 10:32
That's because for 4K re-release Bill Pope, from Wachowski's approval, went back to the first movie and color-corrected it. Both 4K and remastered 1080p now use this version, so it's correct now in SDR and HDR modes.
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I've seen only SDR (I don't have HDR-supported screen) - difference is still noticeable.
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I've seen only SDR (I don't have HDR-supported screen) - difference is still noticeable.
The Gremlin Guy Returns 18.3.2024. 10:59
Exactly
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It's crazy how big the difference between 1080p SDR and 4K HDR is though.
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Whedon’s best buddy haven’t been relevant in years
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Tries to use a dead franchise to put his name back in the light
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Only for the project to never be heard from ever again
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That guy was behind the Sinister Six movie that never happened (edited)
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Tried to make it happen for years and failed
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FrozenFire 3.4.2024. 21:27
I'm happy for this news. I'm one of the few who liked Resurrections but I felt like it had closed the door on future Matrix stories, both in terms of it's plot and the reception to the movie. I'm just glad the franchise is moving forward and we're getting new stories
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TDPersona 3.4.2024. 22:55
I can only hope if this happens they have the sense to do a new thing entirely rather than a direct sequel.
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Yeah as much as disdain I have for ressurections, all I want is new stories, new crews and someone new to play in the playground
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FrozenFire 3.4.2024. 23:29
Totally. I just want a new crew of redpills jacking into the Matrix
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TDPersona 3.4.2024. 23:35
I want a story set from the first people to get out of the Matrix after a reset. Follow them getting setup and learning the rules and since it's a reset you could change a bunch of stuff so we don't know what to expect
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Resurrections might be my favorite of all 4 personally... I say might be because I mean, its hard to compare anything to the original film. Resurrections goes deeper than I've yet to fully uncover though, and I'm convinced probably no one fully has.
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zenconnection 4.4.2024. 0:34
im excited that WB isnt done with the franchise. i figured when they cancelled the new animatrix it was basically over. but very nervous about a movie not conceived written or directed by either of the Ws... i can't help but think it'll feel off in a lot of little ways. being a totally disconnected story would make it easier to take IMO even though I'd actually be really interested in a Resurrections followup theoretically.
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im excited that WB isnt done with the franchise. i figured when they cancelled the new animatrix it was basically over. but very nervous about a movie not conceived written or directed by either of the Ws... i can't help but think it'll feel off in a lot of little ways. being a totally disconnected story would make it easier to take IMO even though I'd actually be really interested in a Resurrections followup theoretically.
I mean, Lana is listed as the EP, so I have to imagine much of what we'll see is still coming from her... new driver in the seat but I'd wager she's still the GPS and itinerary...
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zenconnection 4.4.2024. 0:59
could be, i guess we'll see how involved she is. i hope you're right haha
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could be, i guess we'll see how involved she is. i hope you're right haha
me too lol
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Let’s not forget Warner is very badly managed these days and that they’re throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks
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They even shoot entire movies and don’t release them (Batgirl, Coyote vs. Acme, Scoob…). Sometimes spending hundreds of millions only to not release the movie. (edited)
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They’re also the ones who released Resurrections in the middle of Covid, a week after a box office juggernaut (No Way Home) and on its streaming platform on the same day ruining any chances the movie could have to perform at the box office (edited)
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Don’t get your hopes too high this is probably just news to see if the people are interested (edited)
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But it proves how much Warner is scared of doing new IPs
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They would rather keep resurrecting a failed franchise than make a new one
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A bit pathetic
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 11:46
That's true, I'm actually surprised WB are even discussing the Matrix as a franchise given how Resurrections went but I guess they need something to throw out that has some appeal.
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Remember when Disney kept announcing new SW trilogies? One by the guys of GOT… one by Rian Johnson… just to see which one the public is interested in
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That’s the same thing
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 11:47
TBF Disney's original plan for SW movies was a lot more aggressive and much more like Marvels before the sequel trilogy response and Solo bombing.
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Yeah, one movie a year
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What a brilliant idea haha
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Now everybody and their mothers are tired of SW
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 11:48
They were somewhat smart enough to realise it was a different franchise and move things to Disney+
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I say they should let time decide. Do another Matrix in 20 years when the dust settles
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But this announcement smells of desperation
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It’s weird that they have George Miller available in one movie and they go for Goddard
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Like Miller is made for The Matrix
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 11:50
I wonder what this announcement says about their DC reboot series
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WB are probably panicking a bit
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James Gunn said GOTG3 is his Matrix movie
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I still don’t know how
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He loves The Matrix
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Maybe he bothered Warner until they make a new one
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 11:55
I'd imagine it's probably a corporate decision to squeeze some money out of the old dog. Get a new cast and some good looking action set pieces for a trailer and most people would forget about Resurrections.
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Throw in some 90s and early 2000s nostalgia for a bonus
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They just need to avoid the same mistakes as the new Ghostbusters movie which was honestly one of the most depressing films I've ever seen
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It would be sad to do a nostalgia bait movie when the previous movie did everything to get away from that
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Reminds me of a TLJ/ROS situation
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 12:33
They gotta go where the money is and the money is in safe action with recognisable elements
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Especially in this day and age where audiences are paying a lot of money to go to the cinema you can't challenge their perceptions of what a franchise is or subverting their expectations of what is meant to be a big budget franchise.
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Well you can but don't expect to make money doing it
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That’s depressing as hell (edited)
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The way people see movies nowadays is very sad to me
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The first Matrix could never be made today if everybody had the same spirit in the 90’s
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Joel Silver would have never said yes to the project
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Personally I go see Matrix movies to get surprised
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Like the Architect scene was a surprise (edited)
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Or that scene
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:19
Well you get away with more when doing a new film/franchise but even back in the day a lot of the elements in the sequels were mocked as being weird. Especially the Architect scene and most of Revolutions.
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Oh definitely but at least it was surprising and thought provoking
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I’m not a big lover of the sequels but I can admit that they were trying something different with each one of them
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From the deconstruction of the Campbell myth to the meta commentary of the last one
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:21
I think you can still do those things you just need to cover the bases the fans want which was the major issues with Resurrections. Had it have had one or two amazing action sequences people would have been a lot kinder to it than they were
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Which fans? We’re like a hundred left (edited)
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In my country they did a Matrix 1 + Resurrections screening in the biggest oldest theater and it was empty
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:23
I mean the average movie going audience rather than actual fans TBF. Like Marvel throws in a lot of stuff the general audience wouldn't know but parceled it in such a way that they could handle it
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Until recent films anyway
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That was the night before Resurrections came out
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When they did the same thing in 2003 for Reloaded the theater was packed
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For Revolutions, it was empty
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The franchise doesn’t really have a lot of fans since then
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MxO created a different kind of fans but very different from the ones between 1999 and 2003
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Back then the forums were crazy (edited)
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Good times
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I’ve been deep in this franchise since it came out. Created a website about it in 2000.
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I don’t think a lot of people care anymore
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And that was long before Resurrections
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:25
That's true, I remember the forums being wild after revolutions with all of the theories as to the cycles and what Seraph was and the Merovingian etc.
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But that means when you're doing basically a revival of the franchise you need to be even more careful about it
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My forums went from a lot of new members every day to people leaving in masses after Revolutions
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When MxO arrived two years later it was already too late
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:27
I genuinely don't know how WB which is well known for locking films up didn't do the same with Resurrections. If I were CEO I would have done it in a second
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So they could be seen as the mean producers who didn’t release the artsy film because it hurts their feelings?
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We would look at the Smith scene talking about WB in a different light
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Btw you should all rewatch that scene in light of recent news
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Lana dunked on their faces and visibly they’re still mad
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:30
Honestly I was never a huge fan of that scene just because it's the sort of behaviour I expect from large businesses like WB
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In fact it's more surprising that they let the film release in that state at all
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Of course they want to wring every cent out of any franchise they have and will do whatever it takes to do it
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It’s a meta commentary it’s not a message Warner Bros put in
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They fought for it to be removed
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:32
Like these are the dudes who made that terrible Space Jam sequel. They're not exactly paragons of artistic integrity
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Dunking on them just feels lazy
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They also did the DCEU and… well…
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:33
The commentary the wachowskis had at the end of path of Neo was way more interesting imo
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Dunking on them just feels lazy
I see it as the opposite of that it’s pretty daring (edited)
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:34
When you fought the Mega Smith
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They commented on a different media
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Path of Neo wasn’t well received by fans when it came out either
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Neo fights giant ants
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:34
It was a pretty terrible game all round tbf
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Yeah… we always have broken Matrix games…
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:35
Even Enter the Matrix which I spent way too much time on was jank city
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So rushed
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It came out on the same day as Reloaded and Animatrix so they had to rush to get to that date
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MxO was broken too
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In a lot of ways
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This scene but with a dozen people in the crowd
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:37
The Animatrix is still the best thing the franchise ever produced imo and yes I actually put it over the first film but only slightly
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Everything else was various levels of disappointment
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The first movie is such a perfect movie in every way that it pains me to compare it to Animatrix like Program or Kid’s Story
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But when Animatrix is great it’s fucking great
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:39
Kids Story suffers from obviously being put in there for continuity sake but it has some amazing animation
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The one I grew to like is Matriculated
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I used to hate it
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Now it’s one of my favorites
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:44
I was like that with Beyond
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No idea why in retrospect
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I’ve always loved Beyond it’s great
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Osiris is a disappointment in retrospect
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It used to look cool. now it doesn’t and the story isn’t very compelling (edited)
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:48
The whole multimedia idea of Animatrix, ETM and Reloaded seems like a huge gimmick now. Cool for the time though. (edited)
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Too ambitious for its own good
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The oversaturation was real back then
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They should have made Reloaded first then take care of a third movie later
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:51
I actually think it didn't do enough to make it worth it but obviously it's a hard balance. You can't leave the general audience wondering what the hell is going on because they didn't play the game or watch the anime.
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The way Reloaded ended made people mad. And I mean the TO BE CONCLUDED thing, not just the Architect
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Reloaded ends with a close up of a character we’re only seen briefly in the shadows
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And it’s supposed to be this great cliffhanger
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:52
Yeah I remember people being really mad with Neo being in a coma
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Nobody remembered who Bane was
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Also Neo can destroy machines too?
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:52
The whole train station part of Revolutions is always a skip for me
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It’s the last true philosophical moment of the trilogy so I like it
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TDPersona 4.4.2024. 15:54
It was fine at first but on a rewatch those scenes drag imo
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Derminator 4.4.2024. 15:54
Yea the train station scenes are brutal
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Revolutions has a very bad pacing
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We get a never ending Zion battle a never ending fight at the end and nothing in between
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Reloaded was simpler with its Philosophy then Action then Philosophy again approach
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Revolutions is weird
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Derminator 4.4.2024. 15:58
Yea Revolutions went way way to heavy on the religious analogies IMO
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Reloaded and Revolutions feel so different than the first
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@COOPER_DECIDES TTV new film isnt for that channel
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COOPER_DECIDES TTV 4.4.2024. 20:16
my bad , yall HEAR ABOUT NEW MATIRX FILM BEING MADE?
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I hope Godzilla and Kong are in it
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Yeah as much as disdain I have for ressurections, all I want is new stories, new crews and someone new to play in the playground
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 1:13
I was expecting some well done Animatrix series. This should be the way to go. Not... that...
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 1:25
I also wanted new stories and new people. Ressurrection was just a retread of M1 but somehow lamer and stupider.
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Like, Neo and Trinity had the perfect ending. Every passionate true love story ends in tragedy since the age of Shakesphere, just ask Bonnie and Clyde.
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Trinity dies getting Neo to Zero One and Neo dies saving humanity.
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Like, Neo and Trinity had the perfect ending. Every passionate true love story ends in tragedy since the age of Shakesphere, just ask Bonnie and Clyde.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 1:29
Yea it was really nice closure and a best way to end this story. Dunno why they decided to shit on that by basically performing a necromancy for the sake of cashing in (which failed anyway).
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Yea it was really nice closure and a best way to end this story. Dunno why they decided to shit on that by basically performing a necromancy for the sake of cashing in (which failed anyway).
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 1:30
Well 1) Money and 2) People (and this includes movie studio executives and audiences) are really adversed to trying new things. They like things that are familiar and are already proven.
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 1:31
Was Trinity's resurrection not Lana's idea? I remember reading that somewhere.
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Well 1) Money and 2) People (and this includes movie studio executives and audiences) are really adversed to trying new things. They like things that are familiar and are already proven.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 1:33
But even from the point of view of a businessman trying to make huge pile of money, it should be somewhat clear, after so many failed attempts, that mistreating a VERY profitable franchises and releasing a poorly written stuff just doesn't work, as it was shown time and time again in last few years.
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Was Trinity's resurrection not Lana's idea? I remember reading that somewhere.
It is. She decided to bring back her two favorite characters to give them a happy ending after losing her parents and her best friend in a few weeks
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She found comfort in going back to Neo and Trinity
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Originally she was gonna put her veto so M4 would not exist (and WB would have ignored her, as shown in the meta scene in Resurrections) but tragedy struck in her private life so she took the job (edited)
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She had a lot of personal reasons for coming back so it always pains me to see people who never watched her interviews or read a book about her say she’s a cynical money grabbing bitch (edited)
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 11:54
If anything Resurrections is another example of warning against the idea of a single auteur in a large production like a film. Lana obviously had too much control over the project and it suffered for it.
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People are way too quick to attribute the success of the whole crew to a small number of people.
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She wasn’t alone she had two screenwriters with her
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The trilogy was written by the two Wachowskis but Resurrections by three people
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If anything all the sequels should be seen in that prism
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Or the SW prequels (edited)
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Or any Nolan films
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We can’t give full control to an auteur only when he’s being nice to the studios
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 11:57
I think they should tbf, I've said before that what many people attribute the success of the Matrix to mainly the Wachowskis actually came from others on the project.
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Well yeah movie making is a group creative process
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 11:57
I think there needs to be a balance, art without compromise leads to indulgence but art with only compromise leads to mundanity.
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But saying the Wachowskis were not the main creative force behind Matrix is totally false
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I’m a huge Lynch fan
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I like not having answers
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I like trying to find them myself
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The Wachowskis have that power
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And it’s very rare in Hollywood
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I say we let other people make new cyberpunk like movies
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And leave The Matrix alone
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:04
I disagree, I think the Matrix has a ton of fertile creative ground that could be shown by other people. While it will or not is obviously still to see but I don't really feel that we need to stop with a franchise as long as there's still cool stuff you can do with it.
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The thing is that we said the exact same thing about Star Wars without Lucas
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And now everybody is disappointed
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Careful what you wish for I guess
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:05
I don't want to be that guy but I didn't lol, Disney was absolutely the wrong group to acquire the IP and SW without Lucas is bereft of direction
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Same thing can be said about Terminator without Cameron
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Like imagine if they just made Avatar 3 without him. Would be weird. (edited)
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:07
The problem with terminator is that it was done by T2. There was really nothing else that could be covered and be interesting. Same with Alien and Predator. Those franchises reached diminishing returns and keep getting squeezed.
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Ridley did come back for the last two Aliens but it’s big mixed bag
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The problem I have is that everybody keep saying the Matrix is full of great ideas waiting to be made and I agree… to a point
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I think it has a huge potential for short stories
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Animatrix is proof of that
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It also deserves a good game, finally
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But movie wise, everything has been told. It’s all about The One, and the rest isn’t really fascinating
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Wanna follow Captain Rolland on his adventures?
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A movie where Locke gets mad while looking at a screen
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Agents one shoting redpills
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If they want something interesting visually and narratively they do The One and it’s been done already
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So they either go full reboot and change what the Matrix is to suit the modern era and have their own One
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Or we get boring stories about a crew trying to survive or something like that
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:13
I think you could do short genre films set in the Matrix rather easily. Completely disregard the metaplot and focus on small sections and random characters.
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Whether an audience would want that would depend on the presentation tbf
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A mini series would be good
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People are not in the Matrix at all
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Most only like the first one and hate the rest
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A big reason to see Resurrections was to see Neo for a lot of people
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:15
That's true but they have done successful restarts of dormant franchises before. Look at the new Planet of the Apes movies, I don't understand them at all but they seem to do well. (edited)
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Aim for the cheapseats and give the people what they want and anything is possible.
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The thing is that the first movie barely ages
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So making a remake or a reboot is tough
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Planet of the Apes was dead for a long time before they decided to change the whole franchise
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Since like the 70’s I think? It’s a long time
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:18
It doesn't need to be a direct remake or reboot imo. Even doing a good film set in the franchise would be enough.
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I encourage everybody to tell me what their idea would be
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To make me change my mind
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Because my only idea is a bluepill movie
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:20
Like a live action World Record?
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My pitch would be something strange happens to the Matrix, so a group of bluepills get together to learn the truth. You can have Cypherites in there. The only problem is that there would be no fights haha
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But make it more about living in the Matrix than the real world
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Like the real world would only appear in the last scene
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I always thought the lack of bluepill representation in the sequels was a bad idea
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We end the previous movie with “I’ll show them the truth”
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And then nothing
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Starting with bluepills means it’s easier for us to like them than the very stoic Zion redpills who wear sunglasses and never smile
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:25
That's true, I think The Kid was a massive own goal in the sequel movies. We're obviously supposed to relate to him and care about him but literally no one did
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Also the goal of the movie should be the destruction of the matrix itself
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With two camps: those who want to save the bluepills and those who are more like Morpheus and just want freedom for those they can save
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:26
Also I think the Architect should have been the one and only representative of the machines we see. The Deus Ex Machina was pants.
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But can you do cool action scenes with a script like that? Not sure
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Unless the bluepills are the very first to wake up in the history of the matrix so they learn how to fight while still plugged to the system (edited)
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Agents should be nerfed too
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my bad , yall HEAR ABOUT NEW MATIRX FILM BEING MADE?
Soren (not from guild, I'm baby) 5.4.2024. 12:28
Are the rumours true?
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No Oracle, no Smith, no Merv
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Keep them for later if needed
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Agents should be nerfed too
TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:29
If its the first iteration of the stable Matrix it would make sense that the agents start off weaker until they understand the capabilities of the awakened
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Like both groups start off fighting normally and then become more ridiculous over the course of the film/series
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Action wise everything has been done so it’s gonna be tough for them
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Whether it’s in the previous movies or the action movies since
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Look at John Wick
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I don’t know how they could be original
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Lana didn’t even try haha
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The big rumor before Resurrections was a movie about a young Morpheus
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And I really don’t want to see this
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TDPersona 5.4.2024. 12:31
You don't need to break the mold, just give it a good build up and payoff. Something like the Raid series should be used as a Blueprint
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That guy killed the bullet time
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All by himself
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So that’s not even a thing that can blow our minds anymore
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The only thing I could think of that might be of some interest is MAYBE a story about the guy Morpheus describes "When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit"....
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Neo #1 lol
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That’s a lie though
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According to the Machines that guy is actually 23 humans having sex in a destroyed city underground
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But like I said they’re probably just gonna reboot and ignore the previous movies (edited)
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The same guy also said if he chose the wrong door it would be the end of humanity, so yeah not sure if thats accurate
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The same guy also said if he chose the wrong door it would be the end of humanity, so yeah not sure if thats accurate
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 20:53
I mean, he didn't expect Neo to straight up go to the Machine City to parlay.
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he didnt specify what neo would do, he was pretty sure of himself lol
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The same guy also said if he chose the wrong door it would be the end of humanity, so yeah not sure if thats accurate
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 20:55
To be fair, The Oracle did say The Architect can't see beyond any choice. Which to me suggest that he is limited in his scope of the world or of The Matrix. Like The Analyst said, The Architect's Matrix was all fussy facts and equations. The Architect's entire purpose is to keep The Matrix functional within the parameters that sooner or later, he'll have to flush out the cache of errors that pop up as an inheritant part of the programming of The Matrix. His entire purpose is to balance the equation, that's all he's programmed to do.
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he didnt specify what neo would do, he was pretty sure of himself lol
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 20:55
It was all 1s and 0s for him. He didn't take all the variables into account tho.
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I think what Im really saying is - if they want to make a series about a "first Neo" there is a way to do it - just say the Architect was lying a lil
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 20:56
I mean, ffs, The Architect's vision was so narrow, that they had to create The Oracle to look at different aspect of the human psyche to find out why the first two Matrixs failed.
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Or, in Matrix terms, was telling him what happened after a first One emerged
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as the Keymaker said: theres always a way
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I mean, ffs, The Architect's vision was so narrow, that they had to create The Oracle to look at different aspect of the human psyche to find out why the first two Matrixs failed.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 20:57
Took machines 700 years, 7 iterations of Matrix, and they still fail to fully comprehend human mind, which is why it all fails in the end. PeepoShrug
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I think what Im really saying is - if they want to make a series about a "first Neo" there is a way to do it - just say the Architect was lying a lil
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 20:57
Ehh, I don't think he was lying, he couldn't see beyond what has happened before in the first 5 cycles. He is probably one of the simplier program within The Matrix, he has no imagination, he has no creativity. The Architect is literally the stereotypical STEM nerd that's only concern about equations, functions, and mathmatics.
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See: Point 2
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 20:58
Which one is Point 2?
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cant quote myself so:
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Or, in Matrix terms, was telling him what happened after a first One emerged as the Keymaker said: theres always a way
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Ehh, I don't think he was lying, he couldn't see beyond what has happened before in the first 5 cycles. He is probably one of the simplier program within The Matrix, he has no imagination, he has no creativity. The Architect is literally the stereotypical STEM nerd that's only concern about equations, functions, and mathmatics.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 20:59
Architect without the imagination. Now THAT is a low blow. LUL
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For me (opinion) there is literally nothing they could do with the existing characters I would be interested in
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Took machines 700 years, 7 iterations of Matrix, and they still fail to fully comprehend human mind, which is why it all fails in the end. PeepoShrug
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 20:59
I mean, to be fair, it failed because The Architect is all 1s and 0s and he agreed to let Zion free all the humans who want out which apparently led to an energy shortage and a civil war in Zero One, so The Architect was dispose of because he failed at his job.
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Kid was a dick, Cypher was a bigger one, we know enough about Moshimo and Tiffany and the M4 characters were all forgettable
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Architect without the imagination. Now THAT is a low blow. LUL
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:00
Am I wrong though?
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Kid was a dick, Cypher was a bigger one, we know enough about Moshimo and Tiffany and the M4 characters were all forgettable
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:00
I wouldn't say he was a dick, he was just...idealistic, a fanatic. He took the lessons of Neo and went full fundamentalist with it. Just like Evangelicans and The Bible today!
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um he killed his friends lol
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:01
Wait, when did he kill his friends?
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with the ray gun
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and pullin plugs
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Am I wrong though?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:01
Of course not! which is the funniest thing! You have a guy designed to design a new iteration of Matrix and maintain it, yet he lacks the fundamental understanding of the inhabitants of the world he is making it for.
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assuming they were friends at some point
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and pullin plugs
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:02
The fuck? Kid did that?
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No, Cypher
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sorry at work lol
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Kid was just a dbag hanger on
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lol
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Kid was just a dbag hanger on
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:03
Just a nut fanatic is all.
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also: boring
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:03
I was talking about The Kid, not Cypher or Veil
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I think Sixxth is drunk.
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No, not yet
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anyhow, opinions are like you know what, but those are my thoughts
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also: boring
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:05
More like dangerous. Cults are always dangerous, no matter the religion.
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ehhhhhh from a movie perspective he was bland - nothing to talk about there
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ehhhhhh from a movie perspective he was bland - nothing to talk about there
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:06
Well yea, he wasn't really developed much in the movie.
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Well yea, he wasn't really developed much in the movie.
I mean....hes a groupie whats there to talk about lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:07
Still, as bland and boring as he was, he was still more memorable than M4 sidekicks 😂
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about the same for me, but I get your point
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I mean....hes a groupie whats there to talk about lol
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:08
Shiiiit, that's actually perfect description right there lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
More like dangerous. Cults are always dangerous, no matter the religion.
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:08
TBH, the most innocent cults I've ever study was the Heaven's Gate Cult. It was just a bunch of disenfranchised Sci-Fi nerds who hated the lives they were born into and Applewhite and his wife gave them an opporunity to cosplay as Trekkies. Then the wife died, Applewhite went insane, everyone cut their dicks off and committed mass suicide while wearing Nikes. BUT at least there was no sexual abuse of adults or minors.
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Which is A LOT more than I can say for about 99% of cults I've studied.
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Mass suicide sounds dangerous to me
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lol
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TBH, the most innocent cults I've ever study was the Heaven's Gate Cult. It was just a bunch of disenfranchised Sci-Fi nerds who hated the lives they were born into and Applewhite and his wife gave them an opporunity to cosplay as Trekkies. Then the wife died, Applewhite went insane, everyone cut their dicks off and committed mass suicide while wearing Nikes. BUT at least there was no sexual abuse of adults or minors.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:09
Well holy SHIT. That's the example of the most innocent cult? I had no idea it was this bad.
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:10
Hey, cults end in three way. It's either mass suicide, (Jonestown & Heaven's Gate), it fizzles out, or it becomes a "legit" religion, (Scientology and Mormons)
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and Climate change
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dont forget that one
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Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:10
Well, that's everyone's problem.
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anyhow lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Well holy SHIT. That's the example of the most innocent cult? I had no idea it was this bad.
Metalogic 5.4.2024. 21:12
Cults is like living inside the brain of an emotionally and (sometimes) mentally stunted sociopath, the leader. You're taking in the world through his filter and he tells you what to believe. To the surprise of no one, a lot of cult leaders use this for their own selfish desires. Sex (rape), drugs, or money. Usually a combination of the three.
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Ill take the cult thats: sex(non rape), drugs, money
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😄 j/k
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I'll be good with not cutting dicks off
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But yeah, Matrix movies wooo hooo
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Pretty low bar
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I'll be good with not cutting dicks off
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Cults is like living inside the brain of an emotionally and (sometimes) mentally stunted sociopath, the leader. You're taking in the world through his filter and he tells you what to believe. To the surprise of no one, a lot of cult leaders use this for their own selfish desires. Sex (rape), drugs, or money. Usually a combination of the three.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:14
Blah. Religion was always a tool of control and oppression, one way or another. Cult leaders are just taking it to the extreme.
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But yeah, Matrix movies wooo hooo
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:16
And so is the Matrix ⤴️
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Gooo Matrix
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If they have to make another Matrix movie, it would be great if they could go back to mostly live action stuff - and get someone like Donny Yen circa 2010
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If they have to make another Matrix movie, it would be great if they could go back to mostly live action stuff - and get someone like Donny Yen circa 2010
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:19
I'll be happy with just anything that has good, multilayered storyline, characters with actual personalities, properly detailed world and actual fight choreography, not the crap we've got in M4.
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Sure
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and a few scenes as possible in the real world lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:21
Real world exploration can work, as we've seen in the trilogy. As long as it's not rushed and half-assed like it was in M4 where we've got only scraps of info.
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again, its opinion...but I hated pretty much all the real world stuff. The Hammer trying to get back to Zion was the most interesting thing of real world stuff
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again, its opinion...but I hated pretty much all the real world stuff. The Hammer trying to get back to Zion was the most interesting thing of real world stuff
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 21:24
I am definitely in the minority here with how much I loved the Battle for Zion and Mifune's last stand.
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Mifune was a cool character no doubt....but the actual city of Zion was not believable for me even in the constraints of fiction.....the scene where you see the evacuation and just dozens of stories and walkways 😦
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The only thing I could think of that might be of some interest is MAYBE a story about the guy Morpheus describes "When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit"....
COOPER_DECIDES TTV 5.4.2024. 21:34
wouldnt that be the Merovingian dude that made that chick have that great cake , he can change the world and his wife says that he use to be just like neo
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again, its opinion...but I hated pretty much all the real world stuff. The Hammer trying to get back to Zion was the most interesting thing of real world stuff
Real world scenes were always the weakest in the trilogy and in Revolutions we mostly only get that
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Hence why I said the real world should barely appear in the possible new movie
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Like keep it for the end or something (edited)
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There is so much to say about the simulation in today’s age
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Like keep it for the end or something (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 5.4.2024. 22:14
That would make most sense. They could have stuck to the OG trilogy pattern, although that ship has sailed. Still, they could potentially flesh out some new, memorable locations in the Matrix itself. Hopefully this time we'll get more than like 3 boring interior areas and one really bad chase scene across the city.
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I did a thing
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Create a The Matrix Characters tier list. Check out our other Movies tier list templates and the most recent user submitted Movies tier lists.
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you can now rank every important Matrix, Animatrix and MxO characters
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I'm curious as to who's gonna be last
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Probably Anome
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here's mine
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you forgot the cat
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I should add him twice
breathtaking 2
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Sweetmeat Shade 9.4.2024. 19:06
Just add Agent Smith 50 times over
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The whole multimedia idea of Animatrix, ETM and Reloaded seems like a huge gimmick now. Cool for the time though. (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 10.4.2024. 23:10
It wasn't the first one. Whole trans-media concept was tried a little earlier in Japan (.hack franchise). And one of the early ones was Swordquest on Atari 2600 (Games, comics + contest).
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Yeah I was a fan of .hack back in the day, that did the idea a lot better. Apart from the fact I couldn't get the later games when they came out lol
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Also Neo can destroy machines too?
EdwinEchoXVI 10.4.2024. 23:12
Well, artificially grown humans do have contacts on their bodies, so... Tom Anderson was the first one to figure out the extent of their capabilities. (edited)
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Yeah I was a fan of .hack back in the day, that did the idea a lot better. Apart from the fact I couldn't get the later games when they came out lol
EdwinEchoXVI 10.4.2024. 23:13
Japanese versions are cheap to get. English ones... yeah. They're expensive. Especially G.U. Trilogy.
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As for Animatrix... they should've aired shorts on TV as part of the promotion in 2003. Once per week. (edited)
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Japanese versions are cheap to get. English ones... yeah. They're expensive. Especially G.U. Trilogy.
Even at the time of original release I don't think they ever released outbreak or quarantine in my neck of the woods since I couldn't find them.
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Or shops just wouldn't stock it due to low sales
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Or shops just wouldn't stock it due to low sales
EdwinEchoXVI 10.4.2024. 23:17
This one.
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As for Animatrix... they should've aired shorts on TV as part of the promotion in 2003. Once per week. (edited)
They did showings of final flight of the Osiris on TV iirc but yeah would have been cool to see the rest. I pretty much immediately bought the DVD anyhow
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Ehh, I don't think he was lying, he couldn't see beyond what has happened before in the first 5 cycles. He is probably one of the simplier program within The Matrix, he has no imagination, he has no creativity. The Architect is literally the stereotypical STEM nerd that's only concern about equations, functions, and mathmatics.
EdwinEchoXVI 10.4.2024. 23:21
Whole Oracle/Architect programs were made to equalize things. Architect was a typical A.I. with creative capabilities, while Oracle was analyzer. Both were the same, except Oracle analyzed a lot of possible outcomes and calculated possibility of those outcomes (variables). Architect didn't have this function. (edited)
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Even Enter the Matrix which I spent way too much time on was jank city
EdwinEchoXVI 10.4.2024. 23:34
As for Enter the Matrix. I've read somewhere in the magazine back then that the game, basically, was rushed out. Shiny went from Alpha straight to Retail, with some patchwork, according to game's Designer.
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And it shows.
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It's sad, however, that there's no HD versions of the footage from ETM.
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In public, at least.
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Angzoe Aoi 17.4.2024. 5:47
It would be lowkey funny if someone hacked spotify and replaced every album cover with a smithified version
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It would be lowkey funny if someone hacked spotify and replaced every album cover with a smithified version
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Lmao yes - that’s the extent of how far his self-replicating virus has spread.
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Lmao yes - that’s the extent of how far his self-replicating virus has spread.
Angzoe Aoi 18.4.2024. 1:05
It's my Grammy award Anderson, my award! (edited)
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Sweetmeat Shade 19.4.2024. 15:28
URETH-I mean EUREKA!
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I acutally tried doing a Smiths parody once but I gave up because lazy
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Look at them boom mics
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open matte ftw
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open matte ftw
EdwinEchoXVI 19.4.2024. 22:13
There's also lenses cover ups in some shots. Mic that records bullet drop is also seen.
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Love it
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Angzoe Aoi 19.4.2024. 23:02
I can't unsee the camera coated with coats in the doorknob shots
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Angzoe Aoi 19.4.2024. 23:19
If only they shoved the boom mic in Keanus mouth at some point
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SUNDAY, APRIL 28 & WEDNESDAY, MAY 1 Mind-blowing, futuristic action thriller that challenges our assumptions of what is real. Keanu Reeves is Neo, a computer hacker who is lured into a mysterious underworld (“Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real?”) With dazzling stunt
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Flashback Cinema is in a bunch of theaters, US only tho :/
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Flashback Cinema is in a bunch of theaters, US only tho :/
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 13:37
I wish they did something like this in my country.
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Never seen Matrix on big screen
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Damn man, that sucks. You'd think there would be an interest in classic films on the big screen everywhere
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Flashback Cinema shows all kinds of great stuff. Saw Goodfellas recently, that was amazing. Noticed all kinds of stuff I never did before, and I've seen that a million times
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That movie was absolutely made for the theater, not the small screen/small sound
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I saw it like five times in theaters since 1999
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Reloaded 3 or 4
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Revolutions once
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Resurrections twice
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The Matrix (1999) is the only Matrix film I haven't seen in theaters.
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I was 11. In France they used to do special days where you could pay for one ticket and see every movie you wanted that day
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Things have changed
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Anyway, I saw it twice that day in 1999
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lol we used to just do that. Pay for one movie, and as you're leaving just go into another one.
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Oh we were rebellious teenagers, look out
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I was 17 when I saw the original, but I was slumping in my seat after the first couple mins of Reloaded. I adored the cybernoir with just the right amount of spectacular action with the material they were dealing with. The sequels just felt like action movies in Matrix clothes when I saw them in theaters
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There were some characters I really liked, some scenes I really liked, but there were too many goofy things and overlong action movie fight scenes I couldn't stand
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And jesus christ that stupid burly brawl with the LAME music
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Full CG humans? Please no. Watching PS2 cut scenes undoes what made the original look so fucking fantastic. (edited)
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Looked so terrible
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But this is only the 3,421st time I've bitched about this stuff here, that's not counting the IRC channel. So I'll stop lol
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I think the only sequences I really still like in Reloaded are the Neo Vs Enhanced Agents fight and the Chateau fight. The chase scene starts off well but goes on for too long imo.
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You gotta give it up for the freeway chase though.
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Such a huge fan of legit filmmaking
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'DO IT FOR REAL'
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That was ambitious as fuck
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The Neo vs Enhanced Agents fight just pissed me off because it was your basic hacky screenwriting. Dude can see through reality and he's basically a god. 'Hmm, upgrades' and now he has to fight like a pleb again
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But they were just regular fights
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Felt like a huge copout because 'shit, we still have to have agents, Neo can't be all powerful or we won't have a movie'
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Always makes me think of 'Thank You For Smoking,' where they wanted to do cigarette product placement in space. 'Wouldn't that be a problem? Smoking in a pure oxygen environment?' 'Nah we can fix that in one line, thank god we invented the, y'know, whatever'
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Yeah that's a problem when you have a sequel with a character who can control things at will. It does look damn cool though.
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Like really if we accept the powers of the one as stated in the original Neo didn't have to do any of the stuff he did in the sequels.
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If they had more time I think they could have come up with something better. They worked on the original for yeeeeeears
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And it's pretty bad when you're bored in the theater during a fight scene, the neo vs smith fight just dragged and dragged and dragged
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and the endless siege scenes, ugh
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(though Calaeus likes them :D )
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(though Calaeus likes them :D )
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:11
I do lol
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Reloaded and Rev should definitely have been one movie, they're so bloated
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No cave rave pls
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:12
I miss more Agent encounters, like the one on freeway, when morpheus was getting handled by the twin.
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Sir Bangs-A-Lot and his Migraine Orchestra
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:12
The bloody cave rave was SOOO LOOOOONG
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Srsly, why
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Like, touch on it? fine
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:13
I started skipping this scene at some point.
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Why linger on it for so goddamn long
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:13
Gotta show them titties u know
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Tits = money
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SLOOOWWW MOOOTIONN
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Stitched in with the super unappealing Neo/Trin sex scene that perfectly ends with him losing his boner lol
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Stitched in with the super unappealing Neo/Trin sex scene that perfectly ends with him losing his boner lol
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:15
He got tired of this scene being so stretched as well LUL
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'Where's my fluffer?'
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'Bullet Time really did a lot for the original Matrix, we could really do a lot more innovative stuff with it. LET'S NOT USE IT IN THE SEQUELS, and use shitty CG instead!' (edited)
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There's one edit that combines 2&3 into one film, but I really don't agree with what they chose to cut and leave in. It almost seems like they didn't quite understand what's important to the story? (edited)
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But there's another one I haven't seen, I gotta find it
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I actually don't know how they could have done a sequel without either ignoring the extent of the ones powers or just straight up retconning them a bit. I would have focused more on the new matrix characters like Mero and Seraph and pretty much ignored the Zion plot
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If you're interested in the edit
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Yeah, they kind of painted themselves into a corner with The One and Zion
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Yeah, they kind of painted themselves into a corner with The One and Zion
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:30
So what, you gonna start hating on the plot of the first movie as well? LUL hehe
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Zion was MUCH cooler when you never saw it, when Tank was just talking about it
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
So what, you gonna start hating on the plot of the first movie as well? LUL hehe
haha I mean having to deal with it afterward lol
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If The Matrix were just one film, it would have been fine
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I mean the on ship bits were the weakest part of the first film as well imo. Still good obviously but I want more matrix all the time 😂
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Zion was MUCH cooler when you never saw it, when Tank was just talking about it
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:31
Zion was great. Its just they focused on showing the wrong things in there. But the whole military ops were fantastic.
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KNUCKLE UUUUP!!!!! omg stfu
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I hated that
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KNUCKLE UUUUP!!!!! omg stfu
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:32
Fuck off! Mifune was legendary!
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It got too 'generic action movie' for me
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I also just found it ludicrous that anyone would doubt Neo after the first film. Commander Lock in general was just garbo
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Where the first flick was pure cyberpunk/cybernoir
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I also just found it ludicrous that anyone would doubt Neo after the first film. Commander Lock in general was just garbo
Exactly, the doubt was shoehorned in
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'Srsly? Dude can fucking fly and explode agents, the fuck are you on?'
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I also just found it ludicrous that anyone would doubt Neo after the first film. Commander Lock in general was just garbo
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:34
He was born and raised in the real world, working hard and defending Zion, so his perspective is quite different. He's just typical military man that doesn't believe in all this stuff. It's more of legend and religion for him.
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He still knows The Matrix is a system that most of civilization lives in though
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And all of a sudden this dude can pwn the guys that run it
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It seemed hamfisted
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Wachowski writing tends to be that way unfortunately lol
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I love Bound and everything, but jeez
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And Cloud Atlas, but even that is a bit too 'OK WE GET IT'
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Didn't bother with Jupiter Ascending lol
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:37
They did write Neo into being a bit too OP in Reloaded. Might be actually why we had more real world this time around. Like, what can you do with a guy that can fly and do all sorts of crazy stuff in the Matrix at this point?
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heh 'Shit, gotta take holmes out of the game for a bit so the plot can move forward'
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Didn't bother with Jupiter Ascending lol
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:37
That movie was so unmemorable. I only remember that Mila Kunis was in this and it was sci fi stuff. Nothing beyond that.
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He was born and raised in the real world, working hard and defending Zion, so his perspective is quite different. He's just typical military man that doesn't believe in all this stuff. It's more of legend and religion for him.
Dunno, in terms of the Matrix Neo was basically a superweapon. Obviously you need to defend Zion but the only way you're getting a longer term victory is through the one
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Ugh, it was the same old same old Wachowski shit. 'I'm ordinary. Wait, I'm a superbeing?'
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Except it was super super cringy
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Even if you doubt him it's still best to work with him
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Dunno, in terms of the Matrix Neo was basically a superweapon. Obviously you need to defend Zion but the only way you're getting a longer term victory is through the one
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:39
More vague 'anomaly' had better ring to it, than playing 'superman'.
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Bound is really good except you'll find yourself yelling at the screen 'OK WE GET IT, THEY'RE LESBIANS!!!!!!!'
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The W's aren't big on subtlety
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Joey Pants is great in that one tho
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Bound is really good except you'll find yourself yelling at the screen 'OK WE GET IT, THEY'RE LESBIANS!!!!!!!'
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:40
Right. I tried watching Sense8, until I realized that it's less sci-fi, and more a show about lgbt people. 😄
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The message is ideally PART of the work, not a redundant, beat-you-over-the-head-with-a-club that you've got to tolerate to watch the film/show (edited)
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Otherwise it's completely lost on everyone who doesn't already completely agree with the message
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The message is ideally PART of the work, not a redundant, beat-you-over-the-head-with-a-club that you've got to tolerate to watch the film/show (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:43
Yea I mean, as long as it's not a main point of the story, it's fine, I guess? But in Sense8, for example, at some point it just became the core.
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But in Bound it wasn't even about message, it was just 'Hey look, these chicks are gay. Hey. Hey guys. Hey guys these chicks are gay. Hey guys, did you catch that these chicks are gay?'
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'By the way, they're also gay.'
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Besides that, it's a great movie lol
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But to be fair, it was their first feature film
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'By the way, they're also gay.'
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:44
That's the trope in many modern titles, unfortunately. As if it's not possible anymore to make a good movie/tv show without making it all about sexual orientation. THONK
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Bound was 1996
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Any Wachowski fan that hasn't seen it, highly recommend
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:46
Yea and it wasn't that common back then. Now everything is about race, inclusivity, gender, sex etc.
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Which is, in fact, why we have so many bad female lead movies that are pretty much DOA.
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Yea and it wasn't that common back then. Now everything is about race, inclusivity, gender, sex etc.
Bound's flaw wasn't what you're talking about, it was just clumsy filmmaking by people just starting out (imo)
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Bound's flaw wasn't what you're talking about, it was just clumsy filmmaking by people just starting out (imo)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 21.4.2024. 17:48
Well, that's fair. Everyone's gotta start somewhere.
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That was actually the flick Joel Silver greenlighted so they could prove themselves, they wanted to make The Matrix first but it was too expensive and they were unknown.
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If anyone's interested that hasn't seen it, it's on Paramount+, and Pluto TV (with ads). Gina Gershon, Jennifer Tilly, Joey Pants, Chris Meloni (Sven from Fear and Loathing, and lots of other stuff. Oh yeah, the main character from 'Happy!'. And NYPD Blue or something) (edited)
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I loved Bound as a teen but haven't seen it since. Sure I still would as Jennifer Tilly has my eternal devotion.
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Bound is still insanely good I rewatched it last year
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90’s indie films were something else
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Joey Pants is one big thing missing from the sequels
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He added something
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But hey he had to go
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Can’t imagine Cypher sticking around after killing half the crew
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Bound is still insanely good I rewatched it last year
Absolutely agree, I rewatch that at least once every year or two.
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TDPersona 22.4.2024. 1:10
That's a good point actually. I can barely even remember the Nebuchadnezzar crew in the sequels outside of the main three. There was the guy who was the brother in law of one of the brothers in the first one but was there anyone else?
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No one as interesting as Cypher or Mouse
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Hey Matrix fans! I run a blog where I fill in a jesus bingo card to see how closely characters come to being jesus allegories could someone tell me what spots Neo fills?
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.4.2024. 14:46
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thank you
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No bingo sadly
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Sweetmeat Shade 25.4.2024. 19:10
I might have forgot o
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 22:18
Anybody else going to the 25th anniversary showing in Dallas tonight?
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I'll be there in spirit. Same show many miles away lol
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Ah wait that's Sunday. Nope, won't even be there in spirit
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 22:37
I'm dressing up. It's even the right weather here to be wearing a PVC trenchcoat.
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Yeah I'll be dressing up as a bluepill this time
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You gonna post pics?
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 22:46
I'm from the UK so the 25th anniversary cinema showings in my area aren't going to start until June, but I am hoping to go to one of the showings one night at the cinema in my university's city then - something to look forward to for making it through the last few weeks I now have left until I'm done for the summer. I'm planning on also, just before the showing, getting dinner at this steak restaurant nearby to properly get into it lmao.
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It better be juicy and delicious
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 22:48
I've been there once before; based on past experience it will be. 😊
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I want to go the extra mile by spending that day in Smith cosplay mode but I'm debating between that and instead walking in dressed like Neo in my trench coat.
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Man we might need a juicy steak custom emoji lol
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We went all out for Reloaded, I had a nice black trench coat and all the rest from before The Matrix even came out, GF and friends got all Matrixed up. Just sucked I was slumping in my seat, man... I know a lot of people love the sequels. I try, but I can't love them, I just like them because they're Matrixy and have some really cool elements and characters.
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Not ones I rewatch
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 22:54
It sounds very awesome that you, your GF and your mates all dressed up together for the experience though!
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The hype was enormous. Seeing the first one in theaters was an experience, upped the bar for cinema forever
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That's the one and only time I've ever nerded out for a movie release, it was fun
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We didn't go so far as those dudes in the legendary newscast with the guys doing the choreographed fighting in front of the theater lol
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esp the sentinel guy
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:03
Reloaded was one of the best theatergoing experiences I have ever had, primarily because of The Hype. It was like the anticipation hit critical mass. And the hype remained up until Revolutions. One of the reasons I think the backlash happened against the sequels so hard was that the ending of Revolutions killed The Hype. And even with that, The Hype remained in some fandom circles (like Livejournal) for a year or more afterwards.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:04
That same nerding-out's what I'm looking forward too myself for the experience when the anniversary showings start coming out in my city. I wasn't even born yet back in 1999, let alone being old enough to see it. 🤩 Lmaooo that's dedication. I do hope I encounter other Matrix fans there at the cinema when the time comes, like in that clip. (edited)
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Reloaded was one of the best theatergoing experiences I have ever had, primarily because of The Hype. It was like the anticipation hit critical mass. And the hype remained up until Revolutions. One of the reasons I think the backlash happened against the sequels so hard was that the ending of Revolutions killed The Hype. And even with that, The Hype remained in some fandom circles (like Livejournal) for a year or more afterwards.
Nah, I remember the hype dying down bigtime after Reloaded. The box office numbers show it I'm pretty sure
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Everyone was PUMPED for the matrix sequels, but they just didn't measure up to the original
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:04
I'm definitely nerding it out for the 25th anniversary showing tonight.
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I still saw Revolutions in the theater of course, it was definitely more annoying (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:05
I'm gonna wear my PVC trenchcoat and go eat francy steak beforehand, weather permitting (we have severe storm and tornado advisories here.)
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:05
Sounds like we have similar plans. XD
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:05
"Francy steak" that's not even a misspelling, lol.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:05
Merv intensifies
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I'm wondering where they're getting 'Runner' from, CP2077?
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:06
Yeah that sounds about right.
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EIther that or like, a William Gibson book?
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Sounds more like a player class in CP2077 tho
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It was only like 10 years old at the time
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Oh wait, 2003
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15 years
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Merv intensifies
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:07
I fell in love with the Exile faction so hard, I snuck a baguette and brie into Revolutions.
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Sounds more like a player class in CP2077 tho
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:07
Yeah, I saw the term 'Runner' in another game's temporary season a while back that was inspired by CP2077.
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Should offered random people cake
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:08
Agreed, agreed. MervCake
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I'm gonna wear my PVC trenchcoat and go eat francy steak beforehand, weather permitting (we have severe storm and tornado advisories here.)
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:09
Are you going as any particular character or as a general Matrix-sona (or rather the mental projection of your digital self)?
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Nah, I remember the hype dying down bigtime after Reloaded. The box office numbers show it I'm pretty sure
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:10
We were kind of in denial about that on Livejournal. It felt like this was where all of the people who didn't hate the sequels retreated to in order to try and keep the hype going for as long as we could.
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Your clothes are different, the plugs in your arms and head are gone, your hair has changed.
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Are you going as any particular character or as a general Matrix-sona (or rather the mental projection of your digital self)?
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:10
Matrix-sona
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In a fanfic I was writing, my character was basically recruited right off the bat by Merv faction folks.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:11
Aaaah I see.
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Man, speaking of other Matrix-esque flicks of the time, I have been trying to find The Thirteenth Floor forever, it's out of print
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I haven't seen it in ages
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:13
It never got a Blu Ray release?
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I don't think so
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Damn shame, that was a great movie
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:13
That's terrible.
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yeah
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Dark City is all good, got the director's cut (do not recommend) and theatrical cut on bluray (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:13
I picked up the Blu Ray for Dark City a while back.
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lol jinx
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Dark City is one of the VERY few movies that I actually prefer the theatrical cut, except for a few minor details
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Overall, theatrical cut is the one to watch imo
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:14
Yeah it kind of needs the Dr. Schrieber exposition voice over.
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Seems like the directors cut just adds back in all the fluff they cut for good reason
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Well that's the thing I hate, they give away the movie right from the getgo
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You're not supposed to know that they're not on Earth right from the start
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I always hated that
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Cutting the Shrieber voiceover I think helps. The rest just adds a lot of unnecessary fluff, lengthens scenes unnecessarily, and adds changes the hooker scene in a way that didn't need to be changed, it doesn't fit
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With her daughter hiding in the other room. It makes it look like that factors into why he leaves
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Cut that out and he just leaves because he's not a killer
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:19
Have you seen Equilibrium? That also has Matrix-like elements.
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:19
I had friends who wanted to do gun katas for real
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I did but I wasn't as into that flick, it seemd too tryhard, and just rehashed the same ideas from other works
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Fahrenheit 451 mixed with a touch of Brave New World and 'gun fu because matrix'
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The gun fu seemed really stiff
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:21
I get that; I suppose it did at some points to be honest.
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Taye Diggs and Christian Bale ftw tho
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:21
Oh yes, of course.
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And Boromir lol
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I can never remember his name
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:21
Those costumes were sharp, though
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:21
Sean Bean?
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Sean Bean, yes
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:21
He died once again lmao.
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hahaha
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:22
I was looking through some costume patterns today, and there is a Yaya Hahn pattern that looks like it could be Equilibrium inspired.
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Loved that the white cadillac was supposed to be THE FUTURE
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He died once again lmao.
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:23
He'll always be Emperor Martin to me.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:25
I'm not familiar with Elder Scrolls - lmao did he die in that too?
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:25
of course (spoiler, but yeah)
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Oh, it's looser, but Strange Days. The concept of selling black market memories/experiences
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numb3r5ev3n
of course (spoiler, but yeah)
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:27
The only role I've ever seen him in where he didn't die was The Martian.
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That was a great movie. Ralph Feinnes, Juliette Lewis, Tom Sizemore, Michael Wincott, Angela Bassett, fuckin Willliam 'It's not Amway, it's Confederated Products' Fitchner, etc.
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Dir by Kathryn Bigelow, who did Point Break and The Hurt Locker and a bunch of other good stuff
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Absolutely worth seeing
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esp the sentinel guy
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:28
LOL one of my friends drops that into our chat occasionally. I kind of like "Runner" rather than "Redpill" due to the unfortunate connotations the latter term has picked up over the years.
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Bah, fuck capitulating to fuckwits
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Don't let assholes change language
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That's some straight Orwellian stuff right there
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That was a great movie. Ralph Feinnes, Juliette Lewis, Tom Sizemore, Michael Wincott, Angela Bassett, fuckin Willliam 'It's not Amway, it's Confederated Products' Fitchner, etc.
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:29
Strange Days is awesome. I feel like a lot of 90s cyberpunk wasn't appreciated in its time. Strange Days feels closest to its Gibson roots. Moreso than the version of Johnny Mnemonic that we did get.
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Ugh, I hate that Robert Longo directed Johnny Mnemonic
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I still love it (the Japanese Extended Cut particularly)
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:30
I would give my right arm for a true-to-the-short-story Johnny Mnemonic adaption
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Robert Longo directed titty flicks before that
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Right??
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bitbomb
Bah, fuck capitulating to fuckwits
I agree also it's a small amount of people who use the word differently. Most people you say redpill to will just think of the movies rather than any twattery
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William Gibson has gotten shafted on so many film adaptations
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See: New Rose Hotel
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omg, come on Abe Ferrera (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:31
I couldn't make it through the New Rose Hotel adaption
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Dir by Kathryn Bigelow, who did Point Break and The Hurt Locker and a bunch of other good stuff
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 26.4.2024. 23:31
I've been meaning to see Point Break - surprisingly I never have before, and I want to see some more of Keanu's roles. Last Saturday I went to a 30th anniversary showing of Speed to experience that in an actual cinema.
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I've seen it a bunch of times, it's one of those that's so bad it's almost good, except the annoying 'twist' at the end where he spends 20 minutes going back over the movie
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:31
If you had told me "there will be a New Rose Hotel adaption, Christopher Walken will be in it, and it will be unwatchable" beforehand, I wouldn't have believed you,.
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But it's not a good movie. It is a bad movie
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Chris Walken AND Willem Dafoe
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numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:32
I might give it another try
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Definitely do it, my wife and I rewatch it from time to time, lost count
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We quote the stupid 'her shirt is black, her nails are black' song every time anything like that comes up,
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if something's too black, or a car is all black, or whatever
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'his paint is black, his wheels are black'
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omg the cringy bar scenes lol
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But hey Abel Ferrera is the guy that brought is Bad Lieutenant. That was a FANTASTIC movie (edited)
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Harvey Keitel killed it in that one (edited)
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Just don't fucking go near Bad Lieutenant New Orleans: Port of Call or whatever its called
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jeez we should have moved this conversation to #movies like 300 lines ago
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I've been meaning to see Point Break - surprisingly I never have before, and I want to see some more of Keanu's roles. Last Saturday I went to a 30th anniversary showing of Speed to experience that in an actual cinema.
numb3r5ev3n 26.4.2024. 23:37
Point Break is great, and the Rifftrax of it is amazing.
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dylanshred 28.4.2024. 3:49
watched the whole trilogy on shrooms ama
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How did you interpret Neo waking up from the Matrix?
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bitbomb
if something's too black, or a car is all black, or whatever
EdwinEchoXVI 28.4.2024. 18:14
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Joshua007
How did you interpret Neo waking up from the Matrix?
dylanshred 28.4.2024. 20:59
Seems like a metaphor for real life, antigoverment/authority that whole type of deal
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I will say it has made me very cynical about society
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the "blue pill" to me atleast is drug addiction
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Since that experience I've quit smoking weed
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Finally saw Sens8 3rd season. Not sure why they called it Matrix Resurrections.
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But seriously, that is one Hella old cat if it's 20 years old and looks that young.
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But seriously, that is one Hella old cat if it's 20 years old and looks that young.
The cat doesn't actually exist why would it age
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or do they say in the movie that its been around for 20 years
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But seriously, that is one Hella old cat if it's 20 years old and looks that young.
THEBOOGEYMAN04 4.5.2024. 19:55
Which cat are you talking about? The one where Neo calls out dejavu?
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Which cat are you talking about? The one where Neo calls out dejavu?
EdwinEchoXVI 4.5.2024. 20:45
Additionally, the one you see in Revolutions, when Sati re-awakens. (edited)
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thkaal
But seriously, that is one Hella old cat if it's 20 years old and looks that young.
EdwinEchoXVI 4.5.2024. 20:46
Program is ageless.
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Joshua007
How did you interpret Neo waking up from the Matrix?
ourladymetamagic 5.5.2024. 0:05
He literally gets swallowed by his own reflection both times. So... y'know. That's a thing. Something about self-reflection and self-awareness, I suppose.
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The Wachowskis were like... super into vore, yo
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The cat doesn't actually exist why would it age
Metalogic 5.5.2024. 0:10
I think it would depends on whether or not it was a stray cat or a cat that has an owner. If it's a stray cat, then it probably wouldn't age. If it was a cat that has a human family, then I could see it aging.
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Sweetmeat Shade 5.5.2024. 7:03
It’s my cat and its deaded
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 6.5.2024. 18:34
Most likely just super mediocre and forgettable. PeepoShrug
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EdwinEchoXVI 7.5.2024. 6:42
After fourth one "Mediocre" will be an accomplishment. Forgettable - that would be unforgivable.
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Joshua007 7.5.2024. 15:50
The fourth one destroyed my expectations, honestly can't imagine it getting anyworse... I hope.
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He guys I wonder are you more interested in a original story set in the Matrix universe (like Animatrix and the comics) with a new cast of characters or more Neo? Honestly I hope new characters that explore uncharted territory. Maybe have a small human group try to take over the Matrix and the heroes have to stop them or explore the "dark files" or "darkweb" of the Matrix. I could probably list over 20 ideas.
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He guys I wonder are you more interested in a original story set in the Matrix universe (like Animatrix and the comics) with a new cast of characters or more Neo? Honestly I hope new characters that explore uncharted territory. Maybe have a small human group try to take over the Matrix and the heroes have to stop them or explore the "dark files" or "darkweb" of the Matrix. I could probably list over 20 ideas.
EdwinEchoXVI 7.5.2024. 20:52
There was a "darkweb". Exiled programs were representing it, I think. (edited)
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There was a "darkweb". Exiled programs were representing it, I think. (edited)
Joshua007 7.5.2024. 21:59
I do believe they represent or atleast are connected to the darkweb. But what I meant though was some really dark places inside the Matrix the machines dont even know about. Maybe even some distorted code that functions like a chtulu monster when awakened or hidden constructs. You could really do anything with the darkweb.
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I do believe they represent or atleast are connected to the darkweb. But what I meant though was some really dark places inside the Matrix the machines dont even know about. Maybe even some distorted code that functions like a chtulu monster when awakened or hidden constructs. You could really do anything with the darkweb.
EdwinEchoXVI 7.5.2024. 22:22
Whole Exiled Programs term is, basically, "archived code". In machine logic: why delete things that can be useful in creation of new. (Upgraded Agents are Smith version upgrades, for example) Machines are aware of their makings. It would've made sense for Limbo, of sorts. But Limbo does exist there (MOBIL AVE from Revolutions).
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However, there's a lot of holes in Resurrections, so... your ideas can work if they put between Revolutions - Resurrections cycle.
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'Cause Wachowski Senior didn't really planned out that part of lore. (minus Online) (edited)
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I'd love to watch this 😆
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Not sure what to make of the director. Cabin in the Woods was a long time ago, but kind of teen horror movie-ish? Haven't seen Bad Times at El Royale
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I guess he's also writing it. I was into the first season of Lost but the gimmick got old. Wasn't a fan of The Martian but I think that was more a director thing than a writer thing. Never saw World War Z or The Defenders. So.. Here's hoping I suppose?
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It's The Matrix, so if it actually comes out, us die hard fans will see it no matter what. (edited)
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Maybe I need to give it another shot, I only half watched it a long time ago
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WestleyWolf 12.5.2024. 4:53
Honestly that looks like 60s not 50s. (edited)
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Honestly that looks like 60s not 50s. (edited)
The AI overlords disagree 🤷‍♂️ lol
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The AI overlords disagree 🤷‍♂️ lol
WestleyWolf 12.5.2024. 5:15
I tend to watch TCM alot lol.
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The 4th one was just so friggin' meta. It was a movie about the making of....the movie.
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The 4th one was just so friggin' meta. It was a movie about the making of....the movie.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 15.5.2024. 3:13
I thought it was a movie about existential crisis. PeepoShrug
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nope, it was a movie about the making of the movie
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neo and trinity are the warchowski's. the reason the movie sucked is because they weren't working together. This is acknowledged in teh movie by having them come together to defeat the person who insisted their be a 4th movie
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or a sequel to the game
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Deleted User 15.5.2024. 13:31
hi im new here
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i got a couple questions 1 why did they have to pull morpheus’s kill plug when the agents were getting at him instead of just waking him up like theyve done before 2 why when they started putting neo in a diff matrix/sim and when they injected kung fu info into his mindwhy did his mouth open as if he was screaming but he didnt scream
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2- that’s called having a silent orgasm
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Deleted User 15.5.2024. 13:44
ew bruhgh
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I mean… it is.
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They plug something in his head and he makes the O face
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Wachowskis are kinky
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i got a couple questions 1 why did they have to pull morpheus’s kill plug when the agents were getting at him instead of just waking him up like theyve done before 2 why when they started putting neo in a diff matrix/sim and when they injected kung fu info into his mindwhy did his mouth open as if he was screaming but he didnt scream
Hey and welcome! Your first question, when are you referring to when you say they woke him up before? Any time they leave the matrix it's through an exit/hardline, or the whole red pill thing like we saw with Neo.
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Or if they run very fast
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Sweetmeat Shade 15.5.2024. 20:16
Happy berfdae reloadf
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I guess he's also writing it. I was into the first season of Lost but the gimmick got old. Wasn't a fan of The Martian but I think that was more a director thing than a writer thing. Never saw World War Z or The Defenders. So.. Here's hoping I suppose?
Angzoe Aoi 23.5.2024. 22:33
WWZ imo is one of the best Zombie films in modern, the scale of the movie feels huge and the acting was solid. Much better than the Dawn Of The Dead remake.
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WWZ imo is one of the best Zombie films in modern, the scale of the movie feels huge and the acting was solid. Much better than the Dawn Of The Dead remake.
I guess I have to check it out. Zombie films aren't my usual jam, but some of my favorites are Pontypool, 28 Days Later, and I guess you could throw the first Zombieland in there, that was cool for what it was
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I guess I have to check it out. Zombie films aren't my usual jam, but some of my favorites are Pontypool, 28 Days Later, and I guess you could throw the first Zombieland in there, that was cool for what it was
Angzoe Aoi 24.5.2024. 0:45
Zombieland just sent me back to the days of laughing my ass off at Bill Murray's death
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Zombieland just sent me back to the days of laughing my ass off at Bill Murray's death
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.5.2024. 0:47
Despite not liking zombie movies (zombie stuff is just everywhere in every media) I really liked Zombieland movies.
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Really both?
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And yeah I dislike zombie flicks for the same reason, it's just so overdone. But I HIGHLY recommend Pontypool (2008) with Stephen McHattie. Very different angle on the whole thing. Great, unique film imo (edited)
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Angzoe Aoi 24.5.2024. 0:53
I just looked up Pontypool and that might be something for me to watch on a day when my wife's home and the house can be locked down
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It's definitely a rewatchable movie. I think I've seen it... 7 times? 8 times?
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So good
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Really both?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.5.2024. 0:55
Yea, obviously the second was was a bit meh, but still good watch for a lazy night.
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I love movies where some of the spookiest/scariest stuff is the stuff you DON'T see (edited)
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.5.2024. 0:55
Btw this is #matrix-films, we should move this convo to #movies instead.
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Angzoe Aoi 24.5.2024. 0:55
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Yep, I hate doing that since it tends to derail the conversation
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Fuckin sweet!
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That's awesome man, and it's far out enough to get the primo seats!
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Awesome, I'm happy for you man. Good cinema?
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Sweet. That will be an experience, man. It's nothing like viewing it on the small screen.
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Hope it's a proper DCP and not a bluray or something lol
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When I saw it for the 20th anniv, seemed like DCP, it looked amazing. But when I saw it on 'Flashback Cinema' 25th anniv, it was definitely something else. Didn't look as good, some shots were blown out, the whole thing wasn't as crisp, I think it was one of the consumer releases (edited)
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Still don't regret seeing it again though lol
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It's more and more common. Around here anyway, there only used to be Flashback Cinema that would play one classic movie per week. But now my local theater usually has 2 classics playing in addition to that. We saw Alien (1979) two weeks ago
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I love this trend
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Nice
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Definitely no reason that 'if you weren't there when it was released, you'll never see it in the cinema'
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We saw Goodfellas (!990) a couple years ago, that was epic
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Noticed a few key details I never noticed watching at home
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Nice!
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Love that movie
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:18
Testing
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Sorry about that everyone.
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:47
Haha
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Haha
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:47
Welcome back 😄
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:47
Got banned for posting
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Haha
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Can't wait for 25th anniversary of the matrix showing at my local cinema this year
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I'd love to blame it on the machines but no, that was entirely my fault
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:48
It was the merv for sure
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It was the merv for sure
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:48
Bloody exiles.
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:48
Hahaha
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Can't wait for 25th anniversary of the matrix showing at my local cinema this year
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:48
It's an amazing year! Glad I get to finally see it on big screen
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:49
I saw it in the cinema a few years ago but I'm going again this year for sure
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:49
I'd do the same thing lol
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:49
I saw it on VHS for the first time when I was 10 and I'm now 33
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:50
VHS was great time. I had Reloaded recorded and watched it 30 times in 2 months. 😄
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:50
Man I watched the first 3 recently, so good still
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:50
I made custom decoration for the video tape box.
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Since I didnt have the original
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Some cutouts and shit
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:52
I streamed the boxset recently but when I watched reloaded I could only think of the enter the matrix game which I played which bridged more story for ghost and niobe
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Matrix 4 is a totally cult movie loved by those that didn't watch it at the cinema
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Great for home viewing
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Is radio free zion hosting the party in June Caleaus?
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Matrix 4 is a totally cult movie loved by those that didn't watch it at the cinema
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:56
As a standalone sci-fi movie, it's okay. As a Matrix movie - it's very bad in every aspect.
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:56
I liked it
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Is radio free zion hosting the party in June Caleaus?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:57
Dunno. We halted the parties for the time being so people can rest, since after 2 years less and less people appeared, and eventually no one came.
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:57
Fair enough
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I loved matrix 4 because I'm a diehard fan
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:58
Amazing that we've been able to do it for 2 years straight, every month tho 😄
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:58
But more so when I watched it at home
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)
Amazing that we've been able to do it for 2 years straight, every month tho 😄
Dude that was an incredibly long run with great turnouts. Never seen anything like that
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:58
I'll come. I've had a tough few years but mxo been leggy of late
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Dude that was an incredibly long run with great turnouts. Never seen anything like that
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 0:59
Yea, at the beginning we've had like 20 people, INCLUDING rajko himself!!
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 0:59
Yeah I've been to a 20 plus
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Club Hel
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Screenshot lists to my old pc
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Lost
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Club Hel
Halloween 2021 right?
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Screenshot lists to my old pc
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 1:00
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That was a banger
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 1:00
Yes
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I went to a cave one. With a bouncing hardline
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That one was lit
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I'm struggling with the new npc overload because of my lack of memory. When I get more I'll be all good
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I'm struggling with the new npc overload because of my lack of memory. When I get more I'll be all good
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 1:03
Yea rajko went all in with those npcs 😄
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 1:04
It's cool to see though. And the trade skill
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Great for future roleplay
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 1:07
I miss being able to just sit in Mara C in peace
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 1:28
Peace. For me on Vector. That meant controlling mara c.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 1:41
Peace by control. Humanity in a nutshell.
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 1:41
man i was looking through some of those screenshots... heck of a turnout for some of them... i missed a lot
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i didn't have a PC for a while... i certainly missed those awesome events
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I hope to see another one of those events again soon
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i think there is a party on the 1st of june no?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 1:44
Not 100% sure. But I'll post an announcement if I decide to go through with it.
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 1:47
OKi!
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Its always good to have a good radio to go with the ingame antics if you get my drift 😉
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 27.5.2024. 1:49
That's why it exists breathtaking
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KaosDevil 27.5.2024. 1:49
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Hi I'm new around here! Just finished watching the first 3 movies (again) the other day. I was wondering, what's y'all explanation about the ending? And I mean when Smith and the Smiths explodes after absorbing Neo? My personal appreciation is something on the lines of "Smith purpose is to defeat Neo, completed that task he has no purpose, no meaning, so it kind of self erase itself" At least is my view about it but I'm curious about what explaining people gives to that ending.
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Hi I'm new around here! Just finished watching the first 3 movies (again) the other day. I was wondering, what's y'all explanation about the ending? And I mean when Smith and the Smiths explodes after absorbing Neo? My personal appreciation is something on the lines of "Smith purpose is to defeat Neo, completed that task he has no purpose, no meaning, so it kind of self erase itself" At least is my view about it but I'm curious about what explaining people gives to that ending.
EdwinEchoXVI 27.5.2024. 23:46
He absorbed Tom’s code. Deux Ex Machina pinged him and sent self-destruction signal. Matrix then got rebooted and all went back to normal. (edited)
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Hi I'm new around here! Just finished watching the first 3 movies (again) the other day. I was wondering, what's y'all explanation about the ending? And I mean when Smith and the Smiths explodes after absorbing Neo? My personal appreciation is something on the lines of "Smith purpose is to defeat Neo, completed that task he has no purpose, no meaning, so it kind of self erase itself" At least is my view about it but I'm curious about what explaining people gives to that ending.
nope its not like that, The "chosen" is the person that borken codes ( People's doubts about the truth) moves to him, so he meet the source and then just reboot the matrix, and it was a loop. (till neo broke it lol) (edited)
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so when smith took over him, the machines just deleted the broken code out of neo (smith), and neo died bc of that
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and after he died, the machines took Neo's consciousness and placed him in a new body
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 1.6.2024. 14:41
Not entirely certain whether this belongs in Memes instead but oh well lmao. I just had a realisation: there’s the possibility that another one of the reasons why Agents ignore things like traffic lights when in car chases after Redpills is not just because they’re so determined to eliminate threats to the Matrix but also because the Agents can’t recognise traffic lights, à la failing I Am Not a Robot tests.
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Matrix 4 is a totally cult movie loved by those that didn't watch it at the cinema
dedesigns57 3.6.2024. 2:50
I dont personally consider Matrix 4 cannon in my mind. Actually have you ever noticed it doesnt even follow the same cover artwork as the other three films:
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KaosDevil 3.6.2024. 10:04
It's a very different movie for sure.
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Laurence is also missing, so it makes sense to me, but I guess they could have used Abdul manteen II. It makes more sense as is though. Those three character are more centric to the story in the first three films, whereas the character shown are more centric in the fourth.
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I dont personally consider Matrix 4 cannon in my mind. Actually have you ever noticed it doesnt even follow the same cover artwork as the other three films:
matrix 4 was with barney right
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KaosDevil 3.6.2024. 10:09
Smith?
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KaosDevil 3.6.2024. 10:10
Ohh him
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It was like watching the first one over again kinda? I didn't like it lol
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KaosDevil 3.6.2024. 10:11
I didn't like it the first time I watched it. I thought it was just OK. After viewing it a second and third time I really tuned into it and I think it's a pretty good movie.
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Im gonna watch all of them over again soon lol
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KaosDevil 3.6.2024. 10:12
I did recently... well 1-3. They were all available on sky streaming service in the UK
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 4.6.2024. 11:11
Oh yeah they are. Plus after I’ll be seeing the 25th anniversary showing of the first one at my city’s cinema I’m then going to be marathoning the other three on the 4K Ultra boxset I’ve got of all four - my 4K Ultra player arrived a couple of days ago, and I tested all four of the movies on it and the quality’s magical.
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KaosDevil 4.6.2024. 18:09
I am envious of your 4k player :😜
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I dont personally consider Matrix 4 cannon in my mind. Actually have you ever noticed it doesnt even follow the same cover artwork as the other three films:
Except the actual theatrical posters for the trilogy looked like this
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 12.6.2024. 0:50
Happy 25th UK anniversary to the first movie! 💚
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Except the actual theatrical posters for the trilogy looked like this
Sweetmeat Shade 14.6.2024. 23:05
The last one looks like a ripoff, here’s a better photo
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The last one looks like a ripoff, here’s a better photo
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Cant wait guys
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November 5th
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breathtaking
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 22.6.2024. 20:45
Just one more day left until the first movie's 25th anniversary showing I'm going to. I've been counting down to tomorrow for months now. 🤩
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
Just one more day left until the first movie's 25th anniversary showing I'm going to. I've been counting down to tomorrow for months now. 🤩
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.6.2024. 20:45
I'm seeing Matrix on Monday evening! Can't wait!
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I'm seeing Matrix on Monday evening! Can't wait!
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 22.6.2024. 20:56
As in a cinema showing? I knowwwww I was never old enough to see any of the original trilogy movies in cinemas when they came out. I love the cinema experience. ❤️
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Sweet! Man I will NEVER pass up an opportunity to see the original in a proper cinema
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
As in a cinema showing? I knowwwww I was never old enough to see any of the original trilogy movies in cinemas when they came out. I love the cinema experience. ❤️
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 22.6.2024. 20:56
Yea. Big screen yo!
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Only seen it 3 times so far, original release, 20th anniv before Resurrections and 25th anniv
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
Just one more day left until the first movie's 25th anniversary showing I'm going to. I've been counting down to tomorrow for months now. 🤩
Excited for you! There's nothing like The Matrix on the big screen
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Excited for you! There's nothing like The Matrix on the big screen
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 22.6.2024. 21:04
Thank you Bit, and I pre-emptively agree. 😁
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And I hope your own viewing on Monday goes just as amazingly, @Calaeus (radiofreezion.net). 😊
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 23.6.2024. 20:09
The movie just finished in the cinema screen. It truly was a terrific experience - I'm slightly sad it's over now. Next stop: my table reservation for a steak dinner. 💚
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The movie just finished in the cinema screen. It truly was a terrific experience - I'm slightly sad it's over now. Next stop: my table reservation for a steak dinner. 💚
EdwinEchoXVI 23.6.2024. 22:39
Was it current 4K restoration or old theatrical print?
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Was it current 4K restoration or old theatrical print?
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 23.6.2024. 23:03
The colour grading was a bit different to how it looked on my 4K Ultra DVD, so I think it was the old theatrical print. 😊
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@👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 Curious if you saw certain shots blown out or blurry. The only one that comes specifically to mind when I saw it on the 25th anniversary was the slomo shot of Smith falling in the water from the sprinklers while Neo shot at them with the gatling gun. But there were a bunch on that showing. (This was shown by Flashback Cinema, they play classic flicks at cinemas weekly)
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But when I saw it on the 20th anniversary, it looked great. I didn't see blown out shots (that I recall), and noticed a lot of visual detail I never saw before.
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I'm not sure if the 20th anniv was proper DCP, but it kinda seemed like it was. Especially compared to what Flashback Cinema did, which seemed like just playing a bluray on a cinema projector (edited)
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 24.6.2024. 1:24
A couple of them were slightly blurry, yeah, such as ones of the Agent trio during the helicopter gatling gun shootout, but to be honest I didn't notice that much and it really didn't detract from how crisp I think the rest looked. ^^
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I'm not sure if the 20th anniv was proper DCP, but it kinda seemed like it was. Especially compared to what Flashback Cinema did, which seemed like just playing a bluray on a cinema projector (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 24.6.2024. 6:21
Probably it was just screening copy that was based on 2004 master.
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.6.2024. 17:28
2,5hr till I go to see The Matrix on big screen 😎
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.6.2024. 22:35
Wooo! Amazing experience!!!
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This was on completely different level than home screen
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It was almost perfect. But it seems I've got the remastered version. Hues, contrast, color grading were off and inconsistent between scenes and there was this weird blur. (edited)
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But overall experience was fantastic either way. Stayed for the credits too. 😀
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Actually a lot of people did.
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Props for a dad that brought his daughter to see the movie.
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It was almost perfect. But it seems I've got the remastered version. Hues, contrast, color grading were off and inconsistent between scenes and there was this weird blur. (edited)
Damn, seems like you saw the same copy I saw on the 25th anniv, most shots looked OK but some were blown out/blurry. Wonder wtf was shown on the 20th anniv
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Congrats holmes, super glad you got to see it proper!
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Congrats holmes, super glad you got to see it proper!
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.6.2024. 22:53
Thanks mate! Really glad i finally had a chance. It was magical!
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Catch any lines you never caught on the home version?
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Catch any lines you never caught on the home version?
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.6.2024. 22:54
Nope. Nothing of the sort. Just the visual changes.
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Interesting. The one that stands out to me is the missing 'just get up,' for some reason I never heard it on the home versions, and forgot about it from the first theater viewing. I always thought it was 'Get up, Trinity. Get up!'
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But there's a 'Just get up' between those two
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Blew my mind lol
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Goodfellas in the theater was the same way, a couple missing lines changed the way I saw it. Esp the scene where Jimmy tells Karen to go take some dresses. Watching it at home, it seems pretty creepy, like those guys may mean her harm, but it might be her being paranoid. Seeing it in the theater you can hear what they're saying with all the sound channels separated, and yeah, Jimmy was having her killed.
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Not that the missing 'just get up' changes anything, just can't believe in all the zillion times I've seen the movie, I have NEVER heard that line
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Not that the missing 'just get up' changes anything, just can't believe in all the zillion times I've seen the movie, I have NEVER heard that line
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 24.6.2024. 23:00
Hmm. I am not sure tbh. Must rewatch that part.
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Not that the missing 'just get up' changes anything, just can't believe in all the zillion times I've seen the movie, I have NEVER heard that line
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 25.6.2024. 0:31
I'm checking all possible sources for a version that doesn't have that line. I failed so far.
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The line's always there, it's just harder to hear than 'Get up Trinity' and 'Get up!' (edited)
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The line's always there, it's just harder to hear than 'Get up Trinity' and 'Get up!' (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 25.6.2024. 1:59
Hmm, possible. I definitely recall not hearing it before.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.6.2024. 0:21
I know I'm a couple of days late (sorry!!) but that sounds like you had an amazing time too @Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)! I stayed for the credits as well, and that sounds awesome that in your case a lot of other people were also there for the viewing. 😃
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I know I'm a couple of days late (sorry!!) but that sounds like you had an amazing time too @Calaeus (radiofreezion.net)! I stayed for the credits as well, and that sounds awesome that in your case a lot of other people were also there for the viewing. 😃
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 0:22
Yea, the music blasting in cinema was a treat!
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.6.2024. 0:22
When Wake Up hits just right. 👌
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Only another four years left until this can happen with Reloaded and Revolutions too. 😄
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I know they won't top the first one but I think the rest of the original trilogy was still brilliant. (edited)
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Only another four years left until this can happen with Reloaded and Revolutions too. 😄
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 0:46
I am so looking forward to it!
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I know they won't top the first one but I think the rest of the original trilogy was still brilliant. (edited)
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 0:46
I hope the visual quality will be better tho. The inconsistency in the Matrix remaster was disturbing. (edited)
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.6.2024. 0:47
Oh yeah there was some blurring at points in my showing too, I get what you mean.
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Oh yeah there was some blurring at points in my showing too, I get what you mean.
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 0:48
Blurring was not even the biggest sin. The differences in hues, contrast etc. made the movie look a bit like a frankenstein monster. You know, with segments just not exactly fitting each other.
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That inconsistency was the most... well... consistent across the board.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.6.2024. 0:49
Aaaah that wasn't quite as noticeable in the one I went to. I'm sorry to hear about that!
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At least the experience itself sounds like it was generally great and immersive. ^^
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 0:49
Of course! Much better than home screen, that's for sure
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Seeing Agent dodging bullets on big screen was... wow!
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.6.2024. 0:51
And Neo and Smith's bullet time slo-mo leap towards each other in the subway fight. 🤩
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 0:54
Btw seeing the movie this time prompted an interesting thought. WHAT if Neo never went after Smith, but immediately grabbed the phone instead? Because he easily could just dodge right and get the hell out. As a result Smith would never get his 'upgrade' and would never infect the Matrix. Which means Neo would never have a leverage to use in order to end the war.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 28.6.2024. 0:54
Oh god I hadn't thought about that.
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You're right.
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Btw seeing the movie this time prompted an interesting thought. WHAT if Neo never went after Smith, but immediately grabbed the phone instead? Because he easily could just dodge right and get the hell out. As a result Smith would never get his 'upgrade' and would never infect the Matrix. Which means Neo would never have a leverage to use in order to end the war.
Smith would have been deleted and replaced like all the agents before Reloaded
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Which means he would have been sent to the Source and exiled anyway
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Then again, Smith says he’s here because something Neo stayed in him
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Smith would have been deleted and replaced like all the agents before Reloaded
Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 28.6.2024. 14:34
Ah, that too. Forgot about that. Poor Smith, screwed one way or another.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 29.6.2024. 15:53
Speaking of whom, a couple of days ago I found and ordered his smol Nendoroid self and he arrived a few hours ago. 😁 (edited)
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Speaking of whom, a couple of days ago I found and ordered his smol Nendoroid self and he arrived a few hours ago. 😁 (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 29.6.2024. 22:35
That is bloody awesome, I've had him since launch and I had to buy 3 copies of his infecting hand JUST because I care that much
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That is bloody awesome, I've had him since launch and I had to buy 3 copies of his infecting hand JUST because I care that much
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 29.6.2024. 22:36
I would've put money on you getting multiple copies of his cloning hand lmaooo.
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Sweetmeat Shade 29.6.2024. 22:36
It's because I kept losing it
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 29.6.2024. 22:38
Aaaah sure, that's the reason why you got them. 😆
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 1.7.2024. 14:35
Happy Hug An Agent Day everyone! (edited)
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When I initially found the second one I legitimately thought for a few seconds that the piece of paper Neo’s holding up instead had an I Am Not a Robot test on it lmaoooo. (edited)
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holytacosauce 4.7.2024. 13:55
Happy birthday July 4th to all the USA people! 🎆
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Happy Hug An Agent Day everyone! (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 5.7.2024. 19:36
I did two photos of my own, one I'm posting in fanart chat and another here. I'll also dump some of my fave fanart there.
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@Joes14147 Have you seen the first film before or is this your first time?
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@Joes14147 Have you seen the first film before or is this your first time?
Joes14147 11.7.2024. 2:11
First time
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Nice!!! Stop posting on Discord and give it your full attention! :D
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Joes14147 11.7.2024. 2:33
I did it was good and cool
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dedesigns57 14.7.2024. 3:29
the new smith was SOOOOOOO bad. omg
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the new smith was SOOOOOOO bad. omg
True but that MR ANDERSON gave me chills
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True but that MR ANDERSON gave me chills
dedesigns57 14.7.2024. 3:31
When he said that, its was pretty damn good, and also the clip in the office when hes looking out the window talking just like in the first one, then it just went WAYYYYY off in the worst way possible. A disgrace to the character. (edited)
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When he said that, its was pretty damn good, and also the clip in the office when hes looking out the window talking just like in the first one, then it just went WAYYYYY off in the worst way possible. A disgrace to the character. (edited)
I agree
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When he said that, its was pretty damn good, and also the clip in the office when hes looking out the window talking just like in the first one, then it just went WAYYYYY off in the worst way possible. A disgrace to the character. (edited)
Sweetmeat Shade 27.7.2024. 8:31
"Hmmnm...downgrades - some criticism of him I saw once
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There was also someone who said he looked like he watches skibidi toilet and then someone got like, comedically upset over that
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With all the Deadpool popcorn bowls, what should be the popcorn holder for Mx5?
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 30.7.2024. 21:43
Juno reactor, a composed for the animatrix, acknowledged the animatrix on his official channel https://youtube.com/shorts/F8Gr8H_fQIw?si=54jR20PIOrsVX9yE
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Nice!
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Was this all lost?
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Really intrigued on what ship screens are
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you can find a lot of it on the wayback machine (edited)
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but a lot was lost with Flash disappearing
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this website was insanely cool
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Ship screens were basically the plans and schematics of the ships
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but you could also visit them in some fake 3d
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With all the Deadpool popcorn bowls, what should be the popcorn holder for Mx5?
The first 5 version of Matrix would be nice and suit to the 5. 😄 I would love to see, how the machines tried to form the Matrix to the one we know from the first 3 movies.
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Also there was an idea I watched on youtube, that stated: what if the machines just want to "train" the humans to live side by side with them? With that idea, the Matrix is just the try to somehow understand the possibility for the machines to finally live with their creators in peace on the earth.
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That this plan might work, would be also suit with the things that happens in Matrix 4 - slowly the humans work together with (selected) machines.
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Oh yeah that’s a great popcorn holder (edited)
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Also there was an idea I watched on youtube, that stated: what if the machines just want to "train" the humans to live side by side with them? With that idea, the Matrix is just the try to somehow understand the possibility for the machines to finally live with their creators in peace on the earth.
EdwinEchoXVI 5.8.2024. 1:09
Nah. That thing was resolved already.
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I’m more curious how new film will handle clusterf@€k that Resurrections did. (edited)
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but a lot was lost with Flash disappearing
WestleyWolf 8.8.2024. 7:45
im pretty sure Ruffle can still pull it up in a way
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The first 5 version of Matrix would be nice and suit to the 5. 😄 I would love to see, how the machines tried to form the Matrix to the one we know from the first 3 movies.
EdwinEchoXVI 10.8.2024. 13:25
Except there weren't five. If we'll talk about two more versions prior - it's 7. During events of the trilogy machines are on 8. (edited)
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So, let's see what fifth film will be.
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Hm. 1 and 2 are paradise and nightmare. And after that 5 other chosen ones, because the Oracle was included?
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Hm. 1 and 2 are paradise and nightmare. And after that 5 other chosen ones, because the Oracle was included?
EdwinEchoXVI 10.8.2024. 14:46
Yes.
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https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-steak-scene sixxth posted this elsewhere, too interesting not to post here
Joe Pantoliano reflects on making 'The Matrix' — and one iconic scene that almost got cut.
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Dude did a fantastic job making it look delicious, I never would have guessed he detested steak
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Guess that's why he's somebody important, like an actor (edited)
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To me, Joey Pants is one of the best character actors
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Loved him as Ralphie in Sopranos. And he was the perfect fit for Bound. And I can't imagine anyone else as Teddy in Memento
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LENNYYYYY!!
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Reposting this for some follow up from another server: (edited)
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It was way too in depth and interesting not to bring over
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That 99 DVD/VHS copy will always own my heart - a blunder apparently, but I didnt know that for years. I just thought WOW SO ATMOSPHERIC
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I was such a fool, I got rid of it when I 'upgraded' to DVD. But thankfully a kind soul hooked me up with another VHS copy fairly recently. Ofc I have no means of playing it lol
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What do you mean by blunder tho? The whole thing was they did the green in the original with lighting and costumes, not just a shitty post-production color grade (edited)
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Some George Lucas shit right there, to go back and change the original film to match what they did in the sequels
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I think The Matrix and Spider-Man were the first DVDs I owned
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Some George Lucas shit right there, to go back and change the original film to match what they did in the sequels
Spielberg did this with E.T. but regretted it years later (edited)
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So now the newer versions of the movie are the old movie without changes
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I think the biggest changes involved replacing guns with walkie talkies
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What do you mean by blunder tho? The whole thing was they did the green in the original with lighting and costumes, not just a shitty post-production color grade (edited)
IIRC, I read or maybe it was in one of the extras scenes...was rushed to VHS, so the quality was lower than they wanted it. Am I imagining that? Oh, I bought a VHS player in a neighborhood yard sale hahahha so I can watch them
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I wouldn't be surprised that the VHS was a lower priority, DVD was being pushed really hard at the time, and The Matrix was the perfect flick for it. Its sales were record breaking. But man, I think the last time I saw the VHS version was probably the night before Reloaded came out?
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Yeah I was a late adopter, so what
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it was the first DVD to sell more than one million copies if I’m not mistaken
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I just checked and it came out on DVD (and laserdisc) first then on VHS a few months later (edited)
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It was the DVD menu in every single pawn shop for like 15 years lol
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It's the 14th biggest-selling DVD of all time, but The Matrix is arguably one of the most important discs ever to hit the format - here's the story.
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It’s probably the best menu ever
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Especially remarkable where most of the worst fucking DVD menus ever were made
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10 second never-ending loops, or those absoluely ridiculous The Simpsons menus where you have to press a button to spin shit just to get to the actual menu
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Then when you're at the actual menu, it's just 10 seconds of music that repeats forever
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Tough times lol
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Logan's Run is up there, that's a pretty bad one. You don't want to put that DVD on and fall asleep
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For all the kids out there who’ve never seen the menus: https://youtu.be/5yZYSRL7NIU?si=p_yGAJ593x4JsvNC
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Wait that doesn’t even include the coolest one
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Wait where's the one with the big choral music that isn't even in the movie
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That's THE DVD menu sound
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This one
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It was made for the menu
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Endless loop in pawn shops and electronics stores for like a decade
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Someone in the comments claims he composed it
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The Reloaded menu had this dope Dougan song that wasn’t in the movie either
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Look where we are now
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EdwinEchoXVI 14.8.2024. 19:30
And I thought every format is popularized by NC-rated humping stuff... (edited)
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What do you mean by blunder tho? The whole thing was they did the green in the original with lighting and costumes, not just a shitty post-production color grade (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 14.8.2024. 19:32
I did notice tint applied since saw original DVD release and VHS release in 2007 for the last time. Our local television showed it still in original color grading up until 2013 on some channels. After they all went to HD... well... you know. (edited)
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I wouldn't be surprised that the VHS was a lower priority, DVD was being pushed really hard at the time, and The Matrix was the perfect flick for it. Its sales were record breaking. But man, I think the last time I saw the VHS version was probably the night before Reloaded came out?
EdwinEchoXVI 14.8.2024. 19:34
But what about LD release? It also happened. It was in 2.35:1 AR Letterbox format there.
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EdwinEchoXVI 14.8.2024. 19:36
Many distributors gave up on home video in early 2010's. DVD, BD and even UHD slapped with base stock menus. No more creative approach. For 'em it's an afterthought.
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Sweetmeat Shade 19.8.2024. 10:21
How do we feel about this thing I read online (not exact words) "The Matrix Reloaded is a fun movie, but please treat it as a completely different movie, not a sequel to the matrix. There's zero similarities between it and the first matrix film save for the really important details. It's a wonderful movie, just not as a sequel. I like imagining it as a fun project involving matrix characters, but it is incomparable to the first film"
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I’ve read some dumb takes in my time
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This is one of the dumbest
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Is that the idiot who keep thinking he makes better CGI than Hollywood?
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Zyri Blackwood 21.8.2024. 7:29
xD
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Graphic design from 2002 is my passion
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Metalogic 1.9.2024. 1:17
Honestly, I would be very surprise if Matrix 5 happens after the disaster that was Matrix 4.
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Samjax238 3.9.2024. 14:29
You take the blue pill, the story ends and you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes 🐇
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𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 3.9.2024. 15:49
sorry to say, but I genuinely don't want Lana to return. She went into resurrections with the intent of purposely making it a dumpster fire and she succeeded, WB is pulling a genuinely retarded move if they're to let her back.
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Princess TekkaGirlX 8.9.2024. 22:41
Hello World
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Welcome!
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 11.9.2024. 11:09
I meant to post this at the time and then completely forgot: look who I happened to run into on the very same day I went into my city in semi-cosplay as Neo for the 25th anniversary cinema showing back in June. (edited)
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Sweetmeat Shade 12.9.2024. 1:47
And I once found the woman in red's dress at a sleazy flea market too
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 12.9.2024. 9:39
When you encountered her did she turn into a bloke in a suit and tie when you turned back around to look at her again? That's what happened for me.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 14.9.2024. 13:36
When did Smith make a visit to Club Hel?
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dedesigns57 15.9.2024. 5:05
Did people actually enjoy Resurrections ? and by people I mean Matrix fans.
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Did people actually enjoy Resurrections ? and by people I mean Matrix fans.
[竜]TatsumaYakoshi 15.9.2024. 6:52
No, not me though I find it better to watch after watching this theory video.
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Did people actually enjoy Resurrections ? and by people I mean Matrix fans.
Yes, a lot
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No, not me though I find it better to watch after watching this theory video.
dedesigns57 16.9.2024. 2:03
Wow, so she basically set out to burn the house she built down because she didnt want anyone else moving in. lol. (edited)
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Yes, a lot
dedesigns57 16.9.2024. 2:05
wow thats so interesting, why did you enjoy it ? I mean it seemed designed to destroy the franchise. (edited)
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Did people actually enjoy Resurrections ? and by people I mean Matrix fans.
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I feel like it was indeed a downgrade from the original trilogy, but although it’s more mediocre by comparison for me I don’t find it bad as such, just that it works better as a potential new, unrelated standalone movie rather than as a sequel. (edited)
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It’s more of an indie movie with a budget
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I feel like it was indeed a downgrade from the original trilogy, but although it’s more mediocre by comparison for me I don’t find it bad as such, just that it works better as a potential new, unrelated standalone movie rather than as a sequel. (edited)
dedesigns57 17.9.2024. 1:55
I guess I can live if it was a "What if" kind of film but it was 100% tied to the original and in fact a sequel by definition. Thats what kills me. (edited)
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applenewton39 17.9.2024. 4:53
When I had a fever, I once had a nightmare dream that I was in my matrix pod with a bunch of tubes connected to my body and I saw a sentinel doing something to me. Im convinced that what I saw was actually the real world and the machines were giving me some medicine or something to reduce my fever and to cure me back to health
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Tonight is the night. I didn’t see part 1 in the theatre in 1999. Finally!
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[竜]TatsumaYakoshi 19.9.2024. 22:06
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Tonight is the night. I didn’t see part 1 in the theatre in 1999. Finally!
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How did it go? 🤩
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[竜]TatsumaYakoshi 20.9.2024. 14:45
Their mind is free now, we might not see them again unless they Jack in.
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How did it go? 🤩
Brought my 11 year old. He loved it.
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![FA] Adrenaline | RockNRollGeek 22.9.2024. 2:31
Also went to see it in the theatre on the 19th as someone who didnt get the theater experience. It was 💯, as expected
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25th Anniversary showing and I can now clearly remember and say I've seen The Matrix in theaters 🤘
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I remember watching the 20th anniversary in Cinema. As someone who never got the chance to expierence on the bigscreen I highly advice everyone to go there. It was a mindblowing expierence.
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I feel like a dumbass but question regarding the movies. In what year do the second and third movie take place, begin 2000s right? I honestly always believed it took place in 2003 as Reloaded and Revolutions came out that same year with the Animatrix and the 6 months time jump Morpheus refered too was just related to Neo's workz which is still true. However I believe I'm completely wrong the last years as in Resurrections Neo asks Bugs why it took them 20 years to find him (movie came out in 2021) so can someone help me with the exact dates? (edited)
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I feel like a dumbass but question regarding the movies. In what year do the second and third movie take place, begin 2000s right? I honestly always believed it took place in 2003 as Reloaded and Revolutions came out that same year with the Animatrix and the 6 months time jump Morpheus refered too was just related to Neo's workz which is still true. However I believe I'm completely wrong the last years as in Resurrections Neo asks Bugs why it took them 20 years to find him (movie came out in 2021) so can someone help me with the exact dates? (edited)
It's a difficult question to answer because in the first Matrix movie, Morpheus clearly says Neo believes it's 1999 when it's closer to 2199 but that they don't really know what year it is in the real world. If you're looking for an answer based on the time within the matrix (the sim), using that same line quote from Morpheus, the 1st movie takes place near the end of 1999 and the start of Reloaded would be 6 months later in 2000. Revolutions picks up exactly where Reloaded ends with no real jump in time, but we don't know how much time both the 2nd and 3rd movies are spread across.. days or weeks (I wouldn't guess months though). Since Resurrections does say it's been 20 years though, it'd be safe to assume in the Matrix universe the year is 2020, but in the real world there is still no telling. (edited)
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Let me go back over what dates and dialog I can find or remember:
  • In the opening scene of The Matrix during the voiceover call conversation, the date listed for the call is February 19, 1998 with Cypher and Trinity talking about taking shifts watching Neo
  • When Neo first meets Morpheus, it's said Neo spent 2 years looking for Morpheus, and with the previous point being February 1998, it'd mean Neo started searching for him at least in 1997 or earlier, and in late 1997 or early 1998 Morpheus was aware Neo was searching for him and they started to watch him for roughly 2 years until making contact in late 1999
  • When Neo is out of the Matrix and in the construct program, Morpheus tells Neo while he believes it's the year 1999 when it's closer to 2199 but that they don't know the actual date
  • At the end of the 1st movie, when Neo is doing the voiceover call, it shows the date September 18, 1999. So the 2nd and 3rd movies would be around March 2020. We're not sure over how much time the 2nd and 3rd movies take place but if I had to guess I'd say under a month. There might be some dialog I'm forgetting when the machines are drilling and Zion is discussing timelines on how long it'll take which could help with this though
  • The 4th movie does clearly say it's been 20 years and since we know the 2nd and 3rd movies take place in the year 2000, even though the 4th movie released in 2021, it started filming in February 2020 and had to be put on hold March 2020 due to the covid pandemic. They didn't resume filming until August 2020 and finished 3 months later; Why they held off until December 2021 to release though, not a clue, but the 4th film was most likely supposed to be released December 2020. In total it had about 4-5 months of filming and with filming starting in February, if it didn't need to halt production for months, they would have finished in June.
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I feel like a dumbass but question regarding the movies. In what year do the second and third movie take place, begin 2000s right? I honestly always believed it took place in 2003 as Reloaded and Revolutions came out that same year with the Animatrix and the 6 months time jump Morpheus refered too was just related to Neo's workz which is still true. However I believe I'm completely wrong the last years as in Resurrections Neo asks Bugs why it took them 20 years to find him (movie came out in 2021) so can someone help me with the exact dates? (edited)
Six months after the first movie
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Both in the Matrix and in the Real World
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The thing that nobody can agree on is “does the 90’s just repeat on loop in this version of the Matrix?”
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This iteration of the system is supposed to go from late 20th century to early 2000s but it’s not precise on how it works
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We don’t even know when The Matrix Online takes place for sure
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6 months after the trilogy? 2 years after the trilogy? Actually in 1999 like the rest?
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I don’t think the Wachowskis bothered thinking too much about that question tbh
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The Matrix Online was supposed to take place after the 3rd movie, but I don't think it ever says exactly how soon after the 3rd movie it was. I just took it as once the truce was made and whomever wanted out would be allowed out was were your character came in.... just after leaving the matrix and starting to learn and train. Though in MxO, during one of the early world events, Morpheus went crazy which they didn't mention it or any of the Monolith events with the story
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The Matrix Online was supposed to take place after the 3rd movie, but I don't think it ever says exactly how soon after the 3rd movie it was. I just took it as once the truce was made and whomever wanted out would be allowed out was were your character came in.... just after leaving the matrix and starting to learn and train. Though in MxO, during one of the early world events, Morpheus went crazy which they didn't mention it or any of the Monolith events with the story
I know it’s after the third movie lol I’m just saying how long does it take for Zion to rebuild the city, build hoverbarges, new hovercrafts AND recruit hundreds of red pills? (edited)
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Probably more than 6 months
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Also how long does it take for hundreds of programs to exile? Trainman must have been busy
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Gotcha. Yea, there's no telling exactly when. I still treat the major events from MxO as canon, even if they aren't acknowledged in the 4th movie. While I'd have to go look at the details again, it's possible MxO could have been pushed back to happen after the 4th movie. I don't remember off-hand if there would be anything conflicting with that theory. Also, yea, Trainman would have been really busy and might have needed a few more cabs for his train 🤣
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Probably more than 6 months
EdwinEchoXVI 26.9.2024. 12:55
Maybe not. After peace was struck machines sure helped out, which made things quicker.
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25th Anniversary showing and I can now clearly remember and say I've seen The Matrix in theaters 🤘
dedesigns57 27.9.2024. 6:03
damn you look so young! you are very lucky to see it on the big screen.
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damn you look so young! you are very lucky to see it on the big screen.
I'm 39. When The Matrix came out, I was 13 turning 14 with it out in theaters and by the 2nd and 3rd movies I was working at the movie theater. I still remember Final Flight of Osiris being added to the beginning of the movie Dreamcatcher. So many people would come out confused thinking they were in the wrong movie and most of them didn't believe me or the staff when we'd tell them Final Flight of Osiris was all CGI and not real people
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I'm 39. When The Matrix came out, I was 13 turning 14 with it out in theaters and by the 2nd and 3rd movies I was working at the movie theater. I still remember Final Flight of Osiris being added to the beginning of the movie Dreamcatcher. So many people would come out confused thinking they were in the wrong movie and most of them didn't believe me or the staff when we'd tell them Final Flight of Osiris was all CGI and not real people
dedesigns57 29.9.2024. 4:50
wow very cool. Your older then me lol! im 35.
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EdwinEchoXVI 11.10.2024. 21:04
I was a few years younger when the first came out. I remember marketing of Reloaded was quite prominent... and then Revolutions came out of nowhere. Too quick, to be honest. I tend to agree they should've released it in 2004. (edited)
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I was a few years younger when the first came out. I remember marketing of Reloaded was quite prominent... and then Revolutions came out of nowhere. Too quick, to be honest. I tend to agree they should've released it in 2004. (edited)
Well, I gotta admit, the results were better when they did it quick rather than waiting about 20 years later to make a new part.. 👀🌟
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Technically not
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Revolutions was panned by critics and the public + it made very little money
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Resurrections was at least mostly well liked by critics
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And now the title of "most panned Matrix movie" goes to Resurrection!
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Revolutions made money
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Revolutions made money
EdwinEchoXVI 18.10.2024. 17:13
It did, indeed. It's just profits, compared to Reloaded, dropped heavily. For movie-studios only when you make double of spent money is considered satisfactory. Yes, home video releases and TV rights sales, along with merchandise, made The Matrix franchise quite profitable long-term. But in 2003, in fiscal terms, Revolutions under-performed. (edited)
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It did, indeed. It's just profits, compared to Reloaded, dropped heavily. For movie-studios only when you make double of spent money is considered satisfactory. Yes, home video releases and TV rights sales, along with merchandise, made The Matrix franchise quite profitable long-term. But in 2003, in fiscal terms, Revolutions under-performed. (edited)
I think it did double, but definately dropped off
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EdwinEchoXVI 18.10.2024. 17:24
Not quite. Actual budget of Revolutions was around 130 million. Add to that marketing, which can be around 50-70 million, you'll get 180-200. And now the most fun: US cinemas take 40 percent from profits, while foreign around 60 percent. In US Revolutions made around 140 mil - it's 86 mil minus cinema. Rest of the world gave 288 mil and pure income will be around 115 mil. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 18.10.2024. 17:32
Which leads to: around 201 million of pure income.
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Which means it’s a huge flop
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And now the title of "most panned Matrix movie" goes to Resurrection!
Like I said: the critics like it
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When it comes to the public, they’re both pretty close on Letterboxd
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I remember how hated Revolutions was
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Reloaded was more of a mixed bag
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People hated The Architect scene
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Revisionism decided it was actually the best scene of the movie haha
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Maybe in 20 years, with the new shitty movie coming out soonish, people will see Rev and Res as great movies (edited)
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I can’t wait until some 17yo tells us the rave scene in Reloaded is one of the best scenes of all time
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My friends reactions to Resurrections are way different than here for exemple (edited)
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I can’t wait until some 17yo tells us the rave scene in Reloaded is one of the best scenes of all time
EdwinEchoXVI 20.10.2024. 19:15
I liked it, personally. Looked like a music video. As for Architect scene: it's decent. Helmut Bakaitis did well in it.
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Resurrections is worse, on many levels, because story makes even less sense.
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My friends reactions to Resurrections are way different than here for exemple (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 20.10.2024. 19:19
When I went to see it on Thursday, there was barely anyone. Only new Spider-Man movie was packed all day long. After movie was done, I left with a thought "this movie gonna flop"... and it did. (edited)
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Which means it’s a huge flop
EdwinEchoXVI 20.10.2024. 19:21
Flop and failure - it's when film fails to recoup it's costs. It under-performed, to be more precise.
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Matrix has potential, but will not get the treatment or reception part 1 got.
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Every project since reloaded has been under marketed, under performed, poorly received, overly criticized and disappointed most fans. All projects had Some or all of these results.
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When I went to see it on Thursday, there was barely anyone. Only new Spider-Man movie was packed all day long. After movie was done, I left with a thought "this movie gonna flop"... and it did. (edited)
It came out on MAX at the same time it was in theaters, came out on the week after the biggest movie of year, COVID was still big… lots of good reasons
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Warner messed up
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As usual
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Flop and failure - it's when film fails to recoup it's costs. It under-performed, to be more precise.
The official budget doesn’t take marketing into account
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So I think it didn’t make a lot more than it cost
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If not less
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Res and Rev also both suffered from pretty bad word of mouth
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But like I said, yesterday’s flops can be tomorrow’s cult movies
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The official budget doesn’t take marketing into account
EdwinEchoXVI 21.10.2024. 19:24
If you follow my approximate calculations: it's whole budget (Revolutions) was around 180 million dollars (Film 130 and marketing 50), meaning it did recoup it's costs, but failed to make it full-on double in terms of profits. Marketing specifically for Revolutions was, probably, less costly. But... there's also split between studios involved and percentage for some actors... meaning it took a couple of years to break even.
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It came out on MAX at the same time it was in theaters, came out on the week after the biggest movie of year, COVID was still big… lots of good reasons
EdwinEchoXVI 21.10.2024. 19:26
Didn't stop certain spider movie to make a huge buck. Unfortunately, even with MAX release, The Matrix wasn't as big as expected by some in late 2010's-early 2020's. Even without simultaneous release it woul've failed. Weird and salty, I know. But sad state of affairs. No matter how you look at it. Let's see if The Matrix 5 even materializes. (edited)
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People hated The Architect scene
Real late on this one… but people hated the architect scene? It was my favorite scene in the whole movie. I honesty really liked reloaded. I can see why people didn’t like rev.
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Oh yeah big time
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I remember when I came out of the premiere people seemed confused and angry
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That’s a big reason why nobody showed up to Revolutions in comparison
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Now the scene is viewed as great though
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It’s seen as subverting the expectations but in a good way
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I was a part of the biggest forums about the Matrix in France and half the population of the forums disappeared after Reloaded came out
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The Architect was often cited
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Even The Last Free City, the biggest website on the Matrix, closed not long after
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Ah yeah a couple of days ago, at my university I had a meeting with my personal tutor who’s another fellow fan, and when at one point we got talking about the sequels he said that he thought the Architect scene in Reloaded was a bit cheap. I suppose I can see where he was coming from - I don’t have any issues with it myself but it might be seen as reducing the creation of the Matrix to one individual character from the Machines after them being such a hive-minded collective was brought up. Although I like to think of it as it just being another good use of duality in the storyline, as the Architect’s the opposite and other side of the equation to the Oracle just as much as Smith is the same to Neo, and I love that pair’s arch-enemy relationship because of that yin-and-yang duality theme. (edited)
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I think the biggest problem was that the audience didn’t understand what the hell he was saying
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I never thought the architect's vis-a-vis concordantly inexorably speech was what put people off. I thought it was the 'ok now it's an action movie wearing cyberpunk clothing' rather than a cyberpunk/cyber noir flick with amazing action sequences.
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And the cringe, so much cringe. Morpheus' speech, the Zion rave, etc
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Lots of great stuff, don't get me wrong. Loved a lot of what it expanded into, esp with characters like Merv. But man did I slump in my seat in the theater right after the intro in Reloaded. At least the highway chase was legendary.
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The cheeseball music in the goofy-ass burly brawl was just heartbreaking to what, 22 year old me? And the fucking bowling pin sounds just added insult to injury lol
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The architect scene was one of the few highlights
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Lots of great stuff, don't get me wrong. Loved a lot of what it expanded into, esp with characters like Merv. But man did I slump in my seat in the theater right after the intro in Reloaded. At least the highway chase was legendary.
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 2.11.2024. 21:48
OHHH my personal tutor did then say that he also (rightly) thinks the highway chase scene was amazing and is one of the movies' greatest parts that have stuck in his mind. He said one of the reasons why it was so great was because the crew built their own stretch of highway for the whole sequence and he really loves practical effects.
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Yep, you can still see the remnants of it on Google Maps satellite view. They went all out on that (edited)
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 2.11.2024. 21:53
Oh yeah! That's quite cool. 😃
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Also, say what you will about the Burly Brawl but the presence of all those Smith clones was also done through practical effects rather than putting them in there through SFX, which makes it feel impressive to me. 😊
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Yep, you can still see the remnants of it on Google Maps satellite view. They went all out on that (edited)
They went all out on the entire movie
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Nobody told them when to stop or do it things differently
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It’s like Lucas with the prequels
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Oh the pain
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Joel Silver and Warner just went all out on these movies
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I don't think that's the same thing tho
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2 movies in six months, a video game, an animated movie, comics, flash games!
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My thought was that they had so much time to develop the first film. So many drafts, rewrites, conceptualizations, etc.
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Yeah two movies in a row was the worst idea
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And then of course proving themselves with Bound
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I think it’s what killed them
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Then all of a sudden it was a smash hit, so it's like DO SEQUELS NOW!
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And I was using the Architect scene as an example because it’s one of the last scenes in the movie so it left a weird taste for a lot of people
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It’s not the worst scene of the movie by far
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Any scene involving Link and his wife is the worst scene
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So much great stuff in the sequels but they're overshadowed by garbage. Ugh, like the ridiculously long fight scenes, or the absoutely abysmal dialogue
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Omg Link as comic relief, any time he opens his mouth with his 'superman thing' or 'YES!'
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just stfu
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This isn't Disney
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A big problem was making every character stoic
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Like everyone acts like Morpheus
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Look at the Zion captains
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They’re all Morpheus
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Niobe too
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Well Link is a common movie trope, that character is in zillions of shitty high budget crowd pleasers
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It's not a problem of making all characters 'stoic'
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Dare I say Kid showed more personality in his one scene in reloaded than all the other redpills combined
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It's not a problem of making all characters 'stoic'
Link was not who I was aiming at on that one
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Link is the kind of character you'd find in Independence Day
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More like Lock, Niobe, Mifune, Roland…
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They’re all badasses who don’t smile
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That’s their one thing
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Neo doesn’t show emotions a lot but that makes sense with his character development
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Junky throwaway popcorn flicks
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Trinity is like that from the start
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But you don’t have to make ALL the characters like that
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Some humanity is nice
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Humanity, def
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I could add Ghost to the list
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Merovingian is more human than all of them
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They could have used a bit more humanity and a LOT less shitty trope
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Reloaded is packed with good stuff too
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But it grows on you
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It’s not like the first one where you fall in love with it at the first scene
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Revolutions… meh.
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Love the video so far, but the vocals being atonal? They're discordant, yes. But his example of 2001 are atonal.
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To me the architect scene was the big reveal of what the overarching matrix was about. It revealed what everyone thought was truth was just another layer. It wasn’t cheap. I don’t see how it was reducing in any way.
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In fact I’ll go so far as to say that that scene is a linchpin in the whole series.
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I agree I was just saying the audience didn’t react well back then
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Like everyone acts like Morpheus
EdwinEchoXVI 4.11.2024. 21:55
Well, "Prophecy about The One" was kind of "religion", imposed by machines to control redpills outside. Some relegate it as nonsense, but still bound to it. (edited)
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To me the architect scene was the big reveal of what the overarching matrix was about. It revealed what everyone thought was truth was just another layer. It wasn’t cheap. I don’t see how it was reducing in any way.
EdwinEchoXVI 4.11.2024. 21:59
I still think that George Carlin could've pull off that role no worse than Helmut Bakaitis did. Too bad no one tried deepfake him into the film just for fun.
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Nah, George Carlin is comedy and Thomas the tank engine lol. Would have immediately pulled me out of the scene
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It was perfection.
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EdwinEchoXVI 4.11.2024. 22:02
I've seen him not just doing things for lulz. Being quite serious. I know it's hard to imagine, but he could if he somehow got it. He got spoof version of it, at least.
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A sarcastic asshole comedy sketch of the scene with Carlin would be hilarious
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EdwinEchoXVI 4.11.2024. 22:03
It happened in Scary Movie 3. Look it up.
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They could have used a bit more humanity and a LOT less shitty trope
EdwinEchoXVI 4.11.2024. 22:08
I wish they actually gave Trinity more background. Could've made her college dropout who worked as a motorcycle mechanic and did hacking outside of it, then stumbled upon something.
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She hacked the IRS
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That’s pretty cool
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This will always be the best version of Larry The Architect
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I saw Will’s skit but hadn’t seen George Carlin’s haha that’s funny
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I saw Will’s skit but hadn’t seen George Carlin’s haha that’s funny
EdwinEchoXVI 4.11.2024. 22:29
Now you know why I think he could’ve pull it off… while Bakaitis in Scary Movie 3, of course. Someone has to do a deep-fake of it… (edited)
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We’re witnessing the Bane renaissance
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To be honest, the Weaving impression WAS great and nobody ever gave the actor credit for it
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To be honest, the Weaving impression WAS great and nobody ever gave the actor credit for it
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I have thought ever since the first time I saw Revolutions that Ian Bliss did an amazing job getting Hugo's mannerisms down. In fact, the Wachowskis hand-picked him for casting as Bane because of his uncanny ability to imitate him. (edited)
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Did people actually dislike Bane? He was great, would have been neat to see him interact with others in the real while stalking Neo
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I know he did a little with his crew but I mean in wider Zion
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I also always wondered why his Captain seemed to hate him so much without knowing he was Smith Edit - I misremebered the sequence of events (edited)
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I also always wondered why his Captain seemed to hate him so much without knowing he was Smith Edit - I misremebered the sequence of events (edited)
He was probably one of those crewmates that just got on everyone's nerve. Every workplace has that person.
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I forgot the Captain of the Mjolnir wasn't Banes captain but was suspicious of him since he survived the destruction of the ship they found him on
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My memory aint what it used to be 😅
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I forgot the Captain of the Mjolnir wasn't Banes captain but was suspicious of him since he survived the destruction of the ship they found him on
Yea, but even in Reloaded Bane was kinda hated on by the other residence of Zion. Or was that "Shut up before I put you in a hole." comment come in Revolutions?
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Oh yeah i think that was actually in Reloaded
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Bane wasn’t a member of the Hammer if I’m not mistaken
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He was on the Caduceus
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Ballard was his captain he fought Seraph in ETM
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But I remember the last shot of Reloaded got a big “who’s that guy?” from the audience since we barely see him in the movie before that
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Last night, one of my dreams was accomplished: for the first time I finally completed a marathon of all four movies in the same day, which is significant because I had to schedule them around living with other people. 🤩 (edited)
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You missed Animatrix, you have to do it all over again
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 20.11.2024. 9:29
That's fair enough - I want to do it again at some point in the next few weeks anyway because it was so very late at night by the time I was getting through Resurrections for this first one that I was getting a little bit of a headache. (edited)
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Dogwithashotgun 24.11.2024. 7:39
I so wish we had an animatrix style tv show
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Id watch it 56 times atleast
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Something like Ghost in the Shell SAC but set in the Matrix would be so cool
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Last night, one of my dreams was accomplished: for the first time I finally completed a marathon of all four movies in the same day, which is significant because I had to schedule them around living with other people. 🤩 (edited)
holytacosauce 29.11.2024. 20:30
I love doing that and I do this every once in awhile to kind of gain a perspective that slips my mind through the everyday grind of life. Sucks the last one was such a dumpster fire but it does kind of have a little bit of a charm to it for me. I just don't try to take it seriously.
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What do you guys think is the actual likely chance that the next movie will be good? I have faith in this director which brings me some excitement but also based off the last one I'm trying not to get to hyped and get disappointed like before.
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Also the director from resurrections clearly tried to sabotage the movie and did not even want to even do it so it kind of makes me nervous that they're an executive producer over the movie so I kind of wonder are they going to have an agenda to try to ruin this one too or would they allow this new director to have faith in their vision that this could be worth something?
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One last question... Do you think Keanu Reeves is going to take part in this again? Being it's a matrix movie I say there's no way he's not going to have it something to do with it at least. But the last one did atrociously bad so maybe he might actually try to steer clear of another one. However though that doesn't seem to be Keanu reeves's character and he's very grateful for the matrix stuff no matter what so I'm kind of hoping some way he'll be back or a part of the project somehow.
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Also the director from resurrections clearly tried to sabotage the movie and did not even want to even do it so it kind of makes me nervous that they're an executive producer over the movie so I kind of wonder are they going to have an agenda to try to ruin this one too or would they allow this new director to have faith in their vision that this could be worth something?
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Dogwithashotgun 30.11.2024. 7:42
I like resurrections. Wachowskis movies are very divisive post matrix 1, but I think they (both Lily and Lana) make very interesting unique blockbusters.
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No way home came out around the same time and it was the oppositte end of the spectrum in terms of being a blockbuster. It was beyond fan servicey and patronising, as it functioned more like a theme park ride experience instead of a film. Matrix resurrections takes the old franchise and poses the idea of us getting older and aging out of what drove our love and creativity in the first place. Through metafiction that aspect is thoroughly explored as well unearthing what matters in a legacy sequel. Not old lines, or slick action but the relationship of Neo and Trinity that is as uncynical as you get. (edited)
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See I actually thought Resurrections was really fan-servicey and patronizing. Lana decided to bring back Neo and Trinity to once again tell us how important their love was except this time took away all subtlety and basically slapped us in the face with that point while making a film that paled in comparison to the original. I feel like large IP's in media now have gotten to the point where they're too afraid to tell new stories with new characters in the same universe when that's what they need.
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The movie never tried to be as good as the original or to be a copy of it
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It pokes fun at legacyquels and big IPs like that at the beginning of the movie but then it’s pretty different from the trilogy (edited)
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The first scenes of the movie are basically a pastiche of all the bad sequels we have now
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I’m not saying it’s as good or better than the first movie or its previous sequels but it’s trying something entirely different
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Yeah I didn't mean that Lana wanted to make a copy of the original just more when you make something in the same series it will inevitable be compared to the best of it
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Depends what you want from it
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More meant that Lana was really invested in the characters to the detriment of the film imo
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Of Neo and Trinity
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She developed an entirely new way of making movies around the time of Cloud Atlas/Sense8 that was way more collaborative (different writers, codirectors…) than what she did on the trilogy but mostly it was way more improvisational
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Gone are the storyboards and concept arts
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The first movie was basically made as a storyboard before it was shot
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So it makes Resurrections very different look wise and even vibe wise that it can be a real whiplash if that’s not what you wanted
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You can tell the movie doesn’t care about fight choreography for example (edited)
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She developed an entirely new way of making movies around the time of Cloud Atlas/Sense8 that was way more collaborative (different writers, codirectors…) than what she did on the trilogy but mostly it was way more improvisational
Cloud Atlas ftw (edited)
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My only beef with Cloud Atlas was some of the sound design. Seemed amateurish and cheap (the last blasters or whatever)
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Other than that, adored it. Seen it countless times
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Not as great as the bowling pins in the burly brawl
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cringe
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what the fuck was that
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why
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Not as great as the bowling pins in the burly brawl
I have always loved that unconditionally
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It's so stupid but it just works
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I have decided to love them too
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I'd been slumping low in my theater seat before that bowling pin sound happend, that made it so much worse
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I wonder when some dude is gonna remake the burly brawl with AI
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The very beginning of Reloaded, I had high hopes. But those were quickly dashed (edited)
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Remaking the Matrix with AI is dystopian enough for our current world
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Sir Bangs-A-Lot and his Migraine Orchestra, oh yeah
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The thing for me generally with Resurrections is that I'm pretty open ended with films, they can do what they want as long as I'm not bored. Ironically i was way more interested in the film when it wasn't trying to be a Matrix film. The second it tried to be a Matrix film but worse was when I checked out (edited)
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Yeah the IO stuff and the exiles feel shoehorned
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Especially the exiles
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Gave a super amateur vibe
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“Hey we’re back and we’re homeless now and also I hate Facebook”
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Where the first film never did that, like these masters came out of nowhere (I'm sure a lot of us had never seen Bound before The Matrix, myself included)
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I guess the script said “we need to get the secondary characters busy while Tom and Smith have their reunion downstairs. Let’s just use the exiles 🤷🏻‍♂️ alright, lunch time!” (edited)
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Had it just been a story of Neo trapped in the matrix again slowly realising what's going on and eventually rescuing Trinity while the Analyst tries to covertly stop him I would have been fine with it. No action, no outside stuff just dialogue in the matrix.
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Have the movie end with Trinity and Neo hand in hand finally leaving as the screen flashes to the credits or whatever
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Which makes me think Warner didn’t let her do everything she wanted she still had to have gun fights, fist fights, the real world (edited)
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Yeah that's the problem with doing a direct sequel
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I bet she would have loved to not do that and just do a movie about a midlife crisis
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You can't neglect the previous elements but they can be a millstone around your neck
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It’s also directly linked to Revolutions so it’s not trying to forget the sequels like some franchises do
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Terminator, I’m looking at you (edited)
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Terminator Genesys was genuinely one of the worst experiences I've ever had in a theatre
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Speaking of, Resurrections is better than all the non T2 sequels
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The bar is low though
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Which makes me think Warner didn’t let her do everything she wanted she still had to have gun fights, fist fights, the real world (edited)
Interesting. The vitriol was palpable, but was never sure how much was leveled directly at WB overtly.
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The main new character is named Bugs
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And has a bunny on her shoulder
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Because it was either Lana did it, or WB was going to do it without her.
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And is very queer coded
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I feel like there is a message somewhere but I don’t know which one
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omg can you imagine if WB hacks made MX4?
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We talk a lot of shit, but jesus
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Well you’ll see that soon
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With the next movie
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Undoubtedly
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Honestly depends on who they got to direct it (edited)
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They have a semi yes man who’s kind of mediocre now
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It would be pretty easy to make a crowd pleasing Matrix film
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But nerds love him
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Honestly depends on who they got to direct it (edited)
Drew Fucking Goddard
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Fuck him
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It would be pretty easy to make a crowd pleasing Matrix film
So easy
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Famous for bullshit fanservice in all the wrong directions
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See I can see him making a candy floss version that people generally like
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But The Matrix is supposed to make you think a little
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Like his idiot Ghost in the Shell movie
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Hell some crazy people still join the discord to tell us we live in a simulation
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Copied scenes beat for beat, but the plot had nothing to do with anything those scenes were involved in
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Like his idiot Ghost in the Shell movie
TBF the idea of making a live action GiTS is eternally a bad idea
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It’s gonna be Young Morpheus and it’s gonna suck
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Matrix can’t exist without Neo unless you focus on the exiles or the war
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TBF the idea of making a live action GiTS is eternally a bad idea
I agree it's a challenge, but that hack Drew Goddard makes it guaranteed to be trash
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Too much of the entire plot revolves around The One
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Most of the great Animatrix focus on bluepills
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"I'M REAL!!"
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Detective, Kid, Beyond
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Most of the great Animatrix focus on bluepills
I think now if you're going to make a movie doing it from the perspective of a blue pill is the safe option
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Fucking LOVE Detective Story
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Disregard all of the baggage of the previous films
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I think now if you're going to make a movie doing it from the perspective of a blue pill is the safe option
Yeah but it’s gonna be “phones are bad for you” level of psychology
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Maybe some “orange man bad”
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(Even though 'I'm Real' is from 2nd Rennaissance)
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Imagine a truman show esque film where a blue pill semi awakens after a NDE and we only see them from the perspective of agents or the exiles trying to get to them
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A story about a program who doesn’t know he’s a program would be good but a bit too deja vu (edited)
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The Second Renaissance would be great but never as striking and as violent as the anime
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A story about a program who doesn’t know he’s a program would be good but a bit too deja vu (edited)
That conjured Severance imagery for some reason
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The aesthetic
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I was thinking Blade Runner but sure
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Ah yeah totally
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Or do a court room drama about the case of B1-66ER
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Or do a court room drama about the case of B1-66ER
Shut up I would actually love that
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There was so much talk about a Matrix TV series back in the day
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A 10 episodes miniseries on B1-66ER by HBO
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Sign me in
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Sign me in
Same
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I can't believe nothing ever came to fruition
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There's a fucking bottomless pit of amazing stories
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Sense8 could take place in the Matrix tbh
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Sense8 could take place in the Matrix tbh
I hadn't watched that. Gave it a shot, but seemed kinda teen drama?
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Maybe I should give it another try
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Seriously though if you're going to do a Young Morpheus movie I want it to be from the perspective of the potential doomed ones
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The concept of Morpheus finding people and bigging them up to their deaths just seems really interesting to me
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I hadn't watched that. Gave it a shot, but seemed kinda teen drama?
It’s not really teen at all it’s tough to describe though you follow characters from all over the world (the show was expensive hence why it got cancelled) and they have a lot of sex
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What ever happened to the Michael B Jordan as young Moshimo project? Is that dead? There was buzz about that before Resurrections
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Speaking of, Resurrections is better than all the non T2 sequels
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:08
T3 had some nice ideas and good action. Salvation is a movie that could've been good, but ended up being mediocre. Genisys is a time-traveling clusterf#$% with serious miscasting. Dark Fate is a retread of T1 and T2 but with Jane Connor instead of John with some miscasting. I'd say Resurrections is comparable to Dark Fate in this regard.
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What ever happened to the Michael B Jordan as young Moshimo project? Is that dead? There was buzz about that before Resurrections
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18:09
A Young Morpheus opens the door to a Rogue One ending
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And I don’t want that in my Matrix
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wait, what?
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I don't follow Star Wars, can't stand it lol
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An ending that leads perfectly to the original movie to the point where it’s a biiiiit too much
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I loved the original trilogy. Saw Ep1 in theaters and was like 'NOPE.'
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Like an ending where Trinity says “hey I heard of that guy called Neo” and Morpheus smiles
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I don't follow Star Wars, can't stand it lol
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:10
Short story: Holiday Special now is not the worst thing happened to the franchise. (edited)
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A Young Morpheus opens the door to a Rogue One ending
TBF I would love to have an Agent scene like the Darth Vader one where they just massacre a bunch of Red Pills. i know it would be fan service but also cool
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The agents feeling diminished in later films was always one of my disappointments
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And then this asshole doesn't let you buy the original versions withouth the stupid looking CG crammed into the first 3 films
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Hey, George Lucas, fuck you.
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:D
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That’s old news
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like.... 20 years old
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A lot happened and you don’t wanna know
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omg, longer
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Ignorance is bliss
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Oh do tell
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And then this asshole doesn't let you buy the original versions withouth the stupid looking CG crammed into the first 3 films
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:12
Episode One is also full of it. Overly post-processed discs with CGI green guy instead of puppet one.
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If I did a Matrix TV show, it would be a bit like Firefly tbh
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Episode One is also full of it. Overly post-processed discs with CGI green guy instead of puppet one.
If only that were all that sucked about it
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This dude made THX1138. Then later in life chose all the shittiet, laziest, lamest approaches to everything lol
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If only that were all that sucked about it
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:14
I don't hate it as much as anyone else, though I understand the complaints. But it looks better digitized from theatrical print.
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Also wasn't he quoted as saying that going back and altering a film is a crime?
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Something along those lines
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Butchered the shit out of the original SW, and added a bunch of CG to THX1138
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Anyway, way off topic for #matrix-films , I digress
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Spielberg replaced the guns in ET with walkie talkie
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ahahaha I never knew that
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But changed his mind later and said it was a mistake
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Spielberg replaced the guns in ET with walkie talkie
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:16
And "terrorist" for "hippie".
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He was influenced by George
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It gave us a pretty memorable South Park episode
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"I'm about to have a heart attack and die of not surprised"
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One day he’s gonna get drunk and remove Jaws from Jaws
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Those American Zoetrope days were something else tho
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What a powerhouse
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To go back to Da Matrix
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Yes, have some
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Anyway, way off topic for #matrix-films , I digress
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:18
Last thing I said: Resurrections is more comparable to Dark Fate (of Terminator) of all the sequels. (edited)
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I think a TV show with a crew of people lost in the real world and trying to survive by going to the Matrix for different jobs would be good
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Last thing I said: Resurrections is more comparable to Dark Fate (of Terminator) of all the sequels. (edited)
Hadn't seen that one. Is that the one where they block bullets with a steel coffin?
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It could last 10 seasons of good TV
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But you can go the Prestige TV way
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Young Morpheus 10 episodes boom Emmys
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Hadn't seen that one. Is that the one where they block bullets with a steel coffin?
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:19
No. Mexican one.
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T3 was with steel coffin.
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Ah yes lol
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T and T2 for me please
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T and T2 for me please
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:20
T2 - only Lionsgate 2015 release.
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A Matrix series seems like a no-brainer. I wonder if licensing is what holds it up
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We went from Star Wars to Terminator where is the mod? Oh wait he’s here
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I'd especially love to see storylines before the original film
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A Matrix series seems like a no-brainer. I wonder if licensing is what holds it up
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:21
Not really. No demand for it, apparently.
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A Matrix series seems like a no-brainer. I wonder if licensing is what holds it up
Brand damage atm, WB would want a successful movie before a TV series
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There was demand in 1999/2000, but man they killed it dead with the sequels
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Basically like they did for Dune or The Batman (edited)
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First you get the movie then you get the women
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We went from Star Wars to Terminator where is the mod? Oh wait he’s here
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:22
Well. At least The Matrix doesn't suffer from severe home-video revisionism.
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It does! The damn green filter
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Basically like they did for Dune or The Batman (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:22
Dune - Sphincter Edition.
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Toothy sphyncter
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EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:23
That's how Villeneuve worms look like. Not my fault here.
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@Ouranos Tangents are inevitable, all good. If we get off topic long term we'll move to #movies or #television
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He’s gonna add a tongue like the Sarlaac
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I reluct to do that though because it tends to derail the conversation
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The Matrix is good. That’s all I had to say.
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It does! The damn green filter
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:27
UHD release fixed it, at least.
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Did it?
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Did it?
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:29
Yes. It's not that greenish as it was on Blu-Ray.
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Friend of mine color corrected the original Matrix. I thought the over-green was only on the in-matrix scenes, but they just slapped it on the entire film
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It looks so much better de-greened, where you can actually notice the green was achieved with set decoration, clothing, etc.
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Friend of mine color corrected the original Matrix. I thought the over-green was only on the in-matrix scenes, but they just slapped it on the entire film
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:30
That one is not a problem in UHD releases now (including new Blu-Ray).
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And lighting of course
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So much corner cutting in the sequels. The original, the green effect was achieved practically. And there was bullet time. The sequels? None of the above.
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I will say I can't get over the highway chase though lol
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That was a feat in filmmaking imo
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(except that one fake looking agent stomping on the hood)
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(and the semi truck having no axles, the wheels were just floating there when the camera went under it lol)
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We can’t accuse the Wachowskis of lacking ambition that’s for sure
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Indeed
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The highway still exists today
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You can see it on Google earth
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As good as the highway chase is what really sets it apart for me is the OST
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Any other music there would have greatly diminished it
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It’s insane when you think about the chase bit by bit
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So much going on
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Morpheus destroying a huge car with a simple katana
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EtM adding into it was also peak
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Cross media collaboration still to be topped
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The gameplay for that was so bad
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I would have loved if this game was finished before they released it
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I always played Ghost for a reason lol
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But that’s just regular Matrix video game talk
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(and the semi truck having no axles, the wheels were just floating there when the camera went under it lol)
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:44
Matrix was glitching.
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You can see it on Google earth
Man it's a bit worse for the wear these days, but so fucking awesome that it's still visible
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Cross media collaboration still to be topped
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:45
Not many tried. I can name only 2 more.
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Japanese .hack franchise and Defiance from SyFy.
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As good as the highway chase is what really sets it apart for me is the OST
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:46
Don Davis knows his stuff.
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The gameplay for that was so bad
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:47
Close combat was solid, but gunplay was eh.
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And both not well enough coded.
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EtM adding into it was also peak
Man, this was a 'holy shit' moment in gaming that I don't know if I've ever seen topped
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I honestly excuse how flawed EtM is, simply because it was so ridiculously ambitious. You don't even know whe whole story of Reloaded unless you've played EtM
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Not really?
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They had an unrealistic deadline. Wish they planned better.
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It adds some context for the Niobe/Locke relationship and shows the end from Niobe’s POV but not much is learned other than that
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It adds one crucial Bane scene that should have never been cut from Reloaded
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But I feel like both Niobe and Ghost are not nearly as good as the Neb crew and kind of pales in comparison
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Sparks is better than Link I’ll give him that
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I can't stand Link
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Even though Sparks annoys me
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Sparks was in Furiosa
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Immortan Joe
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"Your wish, oh Captain, my Captain, is my keystroke, colon, double backlash, execute, command." Stfu Sparks (edited)
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We don’t see a lot of the Australian supporting cast nowadays so I was happy to see him
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Wait hode up, the dude that played Sparks filled in for Toecutter????
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Whatever happened to all the Australian actors who played Mouse, Apoch, Switch, Dozer, Mifune, Kid…
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Only one matters: Hugo
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They had an unrealistic deadline. Wish they planned better.
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:57
More like ambitions failed to keep up with reality.
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Fun fact about the guy who plays Sparks: people really wanted him to play Joker before Ledger was cast
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If there is another Matrix flick, I certainly hope Guy Pierce and Terrence Stamp make an appearance,
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I rewatched LA Confidential yesterday
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Fucking CLASSIC
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And thought “damn he would have played a good Smith”
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But I was refferring to 'Priscilla Queen of the Deserrt'
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I love Hugo but Guy could have pulled it off
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If there is another Matrix flick, I certainly hope Guy Pierce and Terrence Stamp make an appearance,
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 18:59
Might as well to put Barry Pepper with Willem Dafoe into the mix.
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Fantastic on screen, and on stage
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We almost got Will Smith as Neo
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And Sean Connery as Morpheus
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Let us all thank everyone involved for the fact that that NEVER happened
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“Welcome to she rrrreal worrrrld, Neo”
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'Hovercraft? I have GOT to get me wunna DEEZ!'
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The cast is just perfect
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No change needed
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They changed The Oracle and it sucked
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Well.... I'm sure they didn't want to
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Being dead is a pain in the ass (edited)
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Having her being the brain behind the three movies backfired
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I get that she was a personal friend, but omg she was awful
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She wasn’t even smoking correctly
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And we got stuck with her on MxO
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Almost had Leonardo DiCaprio as Neo. Almost had Val Kilmer as Neo. Also almost had Val Kilmer as Morpheus
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Wachwoskis really wanted to cast Kilmer
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Val Kilmer would have been great
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Kilmer was too much of a pain on set
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Gloria Foster was some weird godsend. How could anyone play that part better (edited)
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Warner probably veto’d because of Batman Forever
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They hated working with him
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Somone hated working with Val Kilmer? Noooooooo
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Think it was a money thing. DiCaprio said no because he'd just done Titanic and it was a CGI fest.. Didn't want to get stuck only doing CGI movies
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Somone hated working with Val Kilmer? Noooooooo
Marlon Brando had no complains
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I like The Island of Dr Moreau, but jesus christ the horror stories
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Keanu was perfect because he acts like a robot
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And is willing to do the physical stuff
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A character I would change/recast was Commander Lock, I don't know if it was the actor or direction but it never felt right for me
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"I am an F B I AGENT!"
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A character I would change/recast was Commander Lock, I don't know if it was the actor or direction but it never felt right for me
I feel like most of his good scenes were in ETM
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We learn he’s actually a good guy
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Although I recently saw the actor in Billions and he was good there so I'll probably chalk it up to direction
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Kilmer was too much of a pain on set
EdwinEchoXVI 30.11.2024. 19:06
Not after whole divorce and Island stuff. His career peak was in the most screwed up times of his life. Partially. (edited)
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I feel like most of the Zion characters weren’t well written
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I like Hammond
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And Kid
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As a concept
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I like Hammond
Is that the councillor?
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Yeah
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Yeah I was going to say he's the one exception
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His scene with Neo in Reloaded is great
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Reloaded and its “let’s just chill and talk about philosophy for a bit” mood
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Actually something that bugs me logistically is how small some of the hovercraft crews are. Especially when some of the crew can be stuck in the matrix for hours at a time
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Pretty sure the Neb and Logus are the only two that are 3-4 people.
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Logos is considered very small compared to the others so only three people can use it
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Neb is because everybody died lol
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Even the biggest ships only have about 6 or 7 IIRC
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I feel like the Neb has more because Morpheus just wakes more people up
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Size comparisons for the curious
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Something that makes me chuckle is imagining the machines after destroying Zion leaving a bunch of technology lying around for the new Exiles to find (edited)
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Like a tech breadcrumb trail to Zion
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Logos is considered very small compared to the others so only three people can use it
Also that's why you have children 😂 Take up less space and they learn some skills. it's a win-win
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They can’t jack in though so they just end up in Zion in misery
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Yeah but surely those ships need a ton of maintenance that would need done while people are jacked in and someone is on operator duty
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Sparks jokes in one cutscene about bringing back Ghosts and Niobes bodies to Zion but think of the operational risk if that actually happened (edited)
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Although I'm starting to think Zion would just kick me out for being a nerd if I were there
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"I know you're trying to survive against evil robots but he's my report on how a rota system would increase efficiency while having minimal overhead."
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Nice! I try to archive every hovercraft I find https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fLHbOBQxT_D2HPJmL2Fi-R-zSgpPIgCi
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There’s another image I was trying to find that has the same overhead look of the dock. Mostly blue. Has all the ships marked and their relative size. Interestingly also includes where the Osiris sat in the doc. Not sure where I have it saved
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The old official website had the entire hovercraft where you could go from room to room
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I think some of it still exists on the wayback machine
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Unless the death of Flash could have made it disappear
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This scene is better than anything in Revolutions
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I’ll die on that hill
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Happy Holidays everyone. To celebrate the season I’ve got something cool to share. This year I purchased eight binders of production material for the Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions. They are a collection of concept art and the storyboards used by art director Hugh Bateup during production on the sequels. 

 My ultimate plan for these is to create a version of the “Art of the Matrix” for Reloaded and Revolutions. But that is still a ways off. In the mean time though I would be happy to share the content within that anyone in the server might be interested in seeing.
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Rules are simple. Below are four table of contents. Reply to this post with the number and section name you want to see something from. If it’s a piece of concept art I will pick the most interesting piece in the section. If you want to see a storyboard from a scene, please describe the exact moment you’d like. While not everything is captured 1 for 1 I’ll try to get as close as possible. If no details are supplied I will pick my favorite shot from the scene or a moment that reveals something interesting.

 To help you in your selections, a lot of this material is already viewable via the Zion Archives disc included in the Ultimate Matrix Collection DvDs and BluRays so I’d encourage you revisit that selection. And before anyone asks, sorry I don’t have the Super Burly Brawl. However the storyboards for that entire fight are available in the UC.

 I will try to respond to any request within at least 24 hours.
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Daaaaamn
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Let’s go for Hovercaft fleet since we talked about it earlier
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This is great
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Let’s go for Hovercaft fleet since we talked about it earlier
I believe this is the Logus.
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Correction. It is the Mjolinr
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Wow, this is heavy
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Also interested in the Architect and Club Hel
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Also interested in the Architect and Club Hel
The boards I have of the Architect intro are included in the Ultimate Collection and already in your google archive. Same with every shot except this one of Club Hel unless you want to see the pencil work. (edited)
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I’ll die on that hill
I'll respectfully disagree. Smith and Neos conversation in the puddle at the end of the final battle is worth the price of entry alone and honestly my favourite moment of the entire series
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'Because I choose to.' Is a quote I live by
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The boards I have of the Architect intro are included in the Ultimate Collection and already in your google archive. Same with every shot except this one of Club Hel unless you want to see the pencil work. (edited)
Looks like the Cantina haha
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Had some request in another server. Will share here since I have the photos. Someone asked for stuff with Trinity. These three images are on UC but still cool to look at.
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But this one isn't.
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Here's some rough looking CGI used to storyboard Link, Kid, Neo, and Trinity walking from the Neb to the elevators in Zion.
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Finally here's a few boards from how the Burly Brawl was originally invisioned to end. This is actually how it's written in the script but was cut down for buget reasons most likely.
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Early look at Persephone. So early that they hadn't decided on Neo and Trinity's new look and Neo is still rocking the lobby shootout drip. (edited)
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I like the image of all the Smiths in the TV store
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But it looks too much like the Architect scene
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Probably why they removed that part
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Few images of the Trinity catch. The entire scene is included in the UC.
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Hand in heart study done for the code effects.
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And here are a few shots from the freeway chase.
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Personal favorite.
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And here are a few shots from the freeway chase.
It wasn't until I looked at these boards that I realized the gun Morpheus tries to pull on the Agent isn't his glock from the car. It's the Agents DE.
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Damn this watermark ruins so many good sketches
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On the list of things to do after getting these scanned will be trying to remove them. Especially on the Skeoce and Darrow pieces
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29jdVA8fBfw So I was watching this last night, and something occurred to me. Okay, yes The Trainman created Mobil Ave, and Mobile Ave probably has slightly different coding from The Matrix. However, it still has to be compatible with The Matrix in order to smuggle exile programs into The Matrix. So shouldn't Neo still be able to break the rules of Mobil Ave the same way he breaks the rules of The Matrix? The guy can literally see the programming of a simulation with his eyes.
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I see it more as like the white construct we see in the first movie
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Like a loading screen before the Matrix itself (edited)
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The One is a Machine creation
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Machines have no power in this part of the world
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I don’t even think Neo knows kung fu in it
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But like I said, it still has to be compatible with the programming of The Matrix in order to connect to The Matrix to smuggle in programs. Like, if The Matrix was coded in C#, Mobil Ave can't be coded in a completely different language like Python, it has to be somewhere in the C family.
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I don’t think the sisters thought about it this way
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It’s just limbo
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inb4 @rajkosto tells me "This is not how this works, this isn't how any of this works."
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It’s more of a religious place than a computer place
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Trinity goes to Hell to save Neo from limbo
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(I have to think about this everytime)
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Trinity goes to Hell to save Neo from limbo
Ahh yes, who can forget that ham-fisted line in Revolutions "Oh yes, I’m sure you do, you have fought through hell to do so, yes?" Nevermind that Ancient Greek Hel isn't the same as the Christian Hell.
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STOP MIXING UP YOUR MYTHOLOGY YOU STUPID MOVIE PEOPLE!
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Revolutions is definitely a monotheist religion kind of movie
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Some characters or objects have Greek or Latin names but the themes are definitely prophet centered
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With a little Joseph Campbell here and there
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But yeah Revolutions is not subtle about it
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Especially since Reloaded played with the prophet thing
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Club Hel is spelled as I've typed it out, you have Persephone as the wife to The Merovingian who is clearly a stand in for Hades. Also to be fair, from what I can tell, Hades is actually one of the nicer Greek gods, but still.
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Again: just names
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Not themes (edited)
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Names have meaning!
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They do but they can’t be taken literally
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Except maybe Neo and Trinity
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Like, I can't just create a fake shoe company for a movie and call them Nike without that iconic Nike swoop.
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Names are here for flavor and context
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The Oracle isn’t inhaling drugs to have visions
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(Sadly)
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If anyone needs me, I'll be in my angry dome. Also, The Merovingian totally got fucked over in The Matrix franchise, he was never properly fleshed out to be the badass mafia boss he was clearly meant to be.
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I feel like he was always more of a reflection on the old world
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The rich cunts
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The aristocracy
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Who think they’re better than everybody while taking cocaine in the bathroom
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I mean, he did pick the name of French royalty before France decided it was time for some heads to roll, literally.
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Resurrections actually confirms that he’s basically yelling about how the new world sucks
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I never saw him as a mob boss
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Mafia guys aren’t glamorous
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Except The Godfather but it’s mostly fiction
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Oh trust me, real life Mafia had their fingers in the production of The Godfather, at least the first one. I don't know if they were involved in the sequels.
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MxO added the whole “exile army” thing
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I always saw him as a dealer more than anything
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Like an art dealer at best
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MxO added the whole “exile army” thing
Yea, but c'mon, you don't build a criminal empire (he was involved in program trafficking) without having your own foot soldiers.
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He had his vampires but I don’t think they were a lot of them
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Like an art dealer at best
If that's true, then I doubt The Oracle would've told Neo that he was one of the most dangerous programs in The Matrix.
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You can be dangerous by ambition without being a mob boss
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He’s dangerous because he’s got power
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And a grudge
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He’s the guy who gets to fight The One each time there is a new version
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The whole “Merv stole the Oracle’s RSI” was added in a rush
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And doesn’t even make sense
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What’s so different about her having a new body?
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I think The Wachowskis Sisters should've had Lambert Wilson watch The Godfather I and II and take notes on how the Godfather and his closes associates act. He doesn't have to be a carbon copy of Don Vito Corleone, but still.
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Nah he’s a cheesy Bond villain and it’s fine
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What’s so different about her having a new body?
I think it was meant as more of a warning than anything else. Kinda like how when you get behind on your payment to the mafia and then a couple of thugs come to your place of business and start doing the whole "You know, it'd be a real shame if something were to happen to this place."
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Because dead people, they don't make payments. The Oracle is more useful to The Merovingian alive, than dead.
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I much prefer an original character than a Corleone wanna be played by a NJ guy
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He’s French it means something
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The old world
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We don’t have mafia here
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At worst we have a lot of strikes
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I mean, you can be a cruel and efficient mob boss and still be an elitist aristocratic cunt.
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He’s also the comic relief
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Nah, that was Link. "He's doing his Superman thang."
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Merv is meant to be funny he gets blowjobs in the toilets
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I mean, do you think any real life mafia boss do their own dirty work? You can totally be the head of a criminal enterprise and be haughty and a right cunt.
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Merv is meant to be funny he gets blowjobs in the toilets
Not a lot of blowjobs happening in French bathrooms huh?
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Depends where you’re looking
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And doesn’t even make sense
I think the idea was he was trying to take her ability to see the future. Thought that he could have it by destroying her. Only to realize her ability is something that “can’t be taken only given” which is a line he says but isn’t actually in the script. Which plays into why Smith gains the ability after assimilating the Oracle. Something she’s planned out maybe and freely subjects herself to. So maybe it’s a bit of late set up for why Smith can see himself “winning”. (edited)
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TDPersona 6.12.2024. 9:09
I think that makes sense, I'm sure Merv at some point asks for the eyes of the Oracle so the RSI thing could be seen as him attempting that or just being a dick. (edited)
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What I meant is that it doesn’t seem to bother her that much
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She’s just a new RSI
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Doesn’t seem any weaker
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So the impact of the whole thing seem a bit useless story wise
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ah yeah I always just took it as Merv and crew attempted to do something to the Oracle and botched it
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But did enough to force the RSI change
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Merv and crew suffer from what I call Eva syndrome (basically use a cool reference without much explanation so nerds massively overthink it)
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Some of the post reloaded pre revolution theories got wild
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People thought he was a previous version of The One
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That was the big thing if I remember correctly
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A theory disproven in the very film he's introduced. Merovingian calls Neo "just a man". Architect says "the One" is human. Oracle says the Merv is an old program. Very silly theory that got way to caught up in bad historical fiction about the Merovingian dynasty being decedents of Jesus and his "survived your predecessors" line. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 8.12.2024. 16:33
Announcement only, sadly. No news after.
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Never liked anything that guy did, except maybe the guilty pleasure of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I fear for Mx5 if he's at the helm unfortunately.
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The guy was taught film by Josh Whedon and JJ Abrams. If you want to know what you’re getting look at Star Wars 7&9 and Age of Ultron. My prayer is this dies in preproduction (edited)
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Ugh, Joss Whedon. Sure I dig Firefly and stuff, but it's cheeseball. Drew and Joss are really good at cheesy guilty pleasure stuff. JJ is good at middle of the road crowd pleasers. This should go swimmingly (if it happens)
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Like this might be the moment The Matrix franchise skips the shitty Star Wars 1999+ phase and just goes straight to the Disney phase.
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Man I wish HBO or someone would have the opportunity to do a series. There are so many stories to tell.
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EdwinEchoXVI 8.12.2024. 17:54
Well, Goddard is more of a straight man rather than cooky and quirky "kid kewl" buffoon Whedon always was when it came to writing. He did wrote The Martian and World War Z.
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And his Bad Times at the El Royale is far from being cookie comedy mystery. Quite the opposite. So there's still a chance.
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I hated The Martian with a passion
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But I don't think that was the fault of the screenplay. It was mostly stuff like reading words on the screen that characters would later speak very slowly as they type, only to read them again as the recipient reads them aloud again.
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They did this over and over and over
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It was infuriating, I wanted to leave the theater
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If it's readable on screen, we can read it. If not, have a character say it. This shit was readable on the sending and receiving end and we had to listen to it spoken slowly AT BOTH ENDS.
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Walked out of that movie thinking Ridley Scott hired an intern to direct that
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Also double pissed because when we went to the theater, it was either The Martian or Sicario, and since I hadn't heard of it at the time, we opted for The Martian. Sicario is a fantastic film, one of Denis Villenueve's best imo (edited)
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Like this might be the moment The Matrix franchise skips the shitty Star Wars 1999+ phase and just goes straight to the Disney phase.
Everything in this sentence made my skin crawl
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Man I wish HBO or someone would have the opportunity to do a series. There are so many stories to tell.
HBO is Warner so it does
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Can they make a multi season show about The Matrix though?
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A miniseries maybe
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Even then, I don’t know what story they could tell without the movies ruining it
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The Second Renaissance I guess
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We seem to think The Matrix’s lore is full of stuff that deserves to be dwelled into for hours when in fact it’s not as simple as that
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You can tell short individual stories like The Animatrix
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But when you look at Enter The Matrix, as a story, it’s not great
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Stoic people wearing latex and sunglasses and guns shooting in slowmo can only take you so far (edited)
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You could go crazy and do something with the exiles but who would watch?
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A miniseries maybe
A miniseries would be fantastic, esp if it's not based on ANY main characters from the films. Only by mention, or not at all. Always wanted to see a story that took place before Moshimo found Neo. So many opportunities for great stories.
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Morpheus before he found Neo is basically him causing the death of a lot of non Neo guys
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So it would be pretty depressing
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“Morpheus, another Almost One died. What should we do?” “ANOTHER”
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I think in the original script he goes through like 5 of them
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Lemme check
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Hm I can’t find the info maybe I made it up
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@Gami do you know what I mean?
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I don't mean including Morph, I just mean the timeline before the events of the first film. So many opportunities for cool characters and events
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The big problem and you’re gonna agree with me is: the real world
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It’s boring
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Let’s all agree
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Zion is boring
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Hence why I thought the exiles could be a solution to that problem
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Or you make it about a program who doesn’t know he’s a program
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But! Zion is boring
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And expensive
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Indeed, but we never saw Zion in the first film (thank God). Seems like you could easily make a miniseries with a lot of in-sim action, and only use the real for the sideline type stuff. Again, the way the first film did it
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So much time was wasted in the sequels in the real, that fucking Moshimo speech and subsequent rave was like a warning to buckle in for lots of bullshit from here on lol
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MAKE SHELLS tho
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Alien Romulus fell into the nostalgia bait a lot (even though there is a lot of good stuff in the movie) it made me uncomfortable and I’m really scared what the new generation could do with a Wachowski movie
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Most franchise movies now are like that
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They resuscitate the dead with CGI for no reason
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Action wise yes we could get a cool movie
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But when it comes to themes and philosophy…
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Zombie Ian Holm wasn't just a quick shot either. It looked awful and they insisted on making him a tertiary character
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And the overuse of famous quotes from previous movies
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I would have been totally cool with a quick Ash model appearance
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But you know what I mean: it’s a bit lifeless
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Ever since nerds rule Hollywood…
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And the overuse of famous quotes from previous movies
Who the fuck was that for? The entire theater groaned at 'get away from her, you bitch'
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That was the absolute worst offender
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The director has done nothing but remakes and reboots though, if I'm not mistaken
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His Evil Dead was good
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I don't think he's done a single original movie
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I called him “the JJ Abrams of horror movies” on my podcast
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But he knows how to make a movie it looks good
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Like JJ
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Uses practical effects too
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Romulus looked amazing, and there were a ton of callbacks I really liked. But it was in-world style callbacks. The looks and sounds of the consoles, the amount of audio assets they used from the original film, etc
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But the ridiculous 'fan service' lines, who is that for? Every Alien fan I know couldn't stand then
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I think in the original script he goes through like 5 of them
It’s something that was in the script from 1996 up to the editing room. Both of these scenes were confirmed to have been filmed.
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It’s something that was in the script from 1996 up to the editing room. Both of these scenes were confirmed to have been filmed.
Thanks! They kind of reused the idea in the next movie
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With The One
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What’s funny is this confession by Morpheus is where his line “there’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path” gets all of its weight and because the scene was removed it really just falls flat and almost makes no sense
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And oh yeah, Reloaded is full of edited out ideas from the development of the first movie. So is the Animatrix (edited)
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Everytime I think of a Young Morpheus movie, I just think about his BS leading to the death of five innocents
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Oh it’s worse than five. Cypher says “five since I’ve been here”
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Yeah Morpheus as written is a nut case. Cypher is 100% correct to doubt.
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I wonder if any of the crew members were believed to be The One for a bit when Morpheus freed them
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I also always wondered if they were all freed as children
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Because Cypher seems to be pretty acquainted with the luxury of the Matrix and Trinity hacked the IRS (edited)
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Yeah age in these movies is weird. Morpheus drops a line about not freeing people pasta certain point but it never comes up again.
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It’s funny because Lucas did the same thing with the Jedi at the same time
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Like Bugs is hella past that age. Kid is probably 16 and coming near it when he checks himself out
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Mouse is probably 18 barely
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It’s funny because Lucas did the same thing with the Jedi at the same time
I 1000% believe it’s because Lucas did it
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Cypher was middle aged and probably the senior member after Morpheus
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My tin foil theory is that the 1994 draft of the matrix is a really boring man vs machines with VR as a setting plot. Nothing about The One, no Oracle, no. cypher. Just bare bones terminator like. They got told to rework it and just like Lucas did when he got told to fix the original pitch of Star Wars they threw in a lot of Joseph Campbell
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Yeah age in these movies is weird. Morpheus drops a line about not freeing people pasta certain point but it never comes up again.
'a certain age' bugged me to no end. Seems like that could have been fixed pretty easily in a line or two.
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And the cut off age thing is straight out of Campbell hero of a thousand faces. Wachowskis made their resistance fighters Jedi (edited)
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My tin foil theory is that the 1994 draft of the matrix is a really boring man vs machines with VR as a setting plot. Nothing about The One, no Oracle, no. cypher. Just bare bones terminator like. They got told to rework it and just like Lucas did when he got told to fix the original pitch of Star Wars they threw in a lot of Joseph Campbell
George Miller did the same for Mad Max and it worked as well
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Well minus the prophet thing
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I feel like the Wachowskis should have taken 10 years to write each movie
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All that said, there is a really weird emphasis on Neo’s age being so old in the 96 draft. He’s called a geriatric at one point by someone. There a joke about Morpheus running out of ideas and going after old people
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Keanu doesn’t look old enough
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He was still in his baby face
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It lasted 60 years
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You mean in M4? Because I think the young look works for the trilogy. Hammers in that messiah giving up his life mid way in for peace thing or something
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I meant “Keanu looked young for 60 years”
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I forgot the time jump in M4 when I made that joke haha
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Pod goo is a great anti wrinkle cream lol. Who knew!
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But all of that is proof Morpheus was always written as crazy
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From the early script until MxO
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They just didn’t play with the idea a lot in the trilogy
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I just like to think of Morpheus hyping someone up to take on an Agent thinking they're the one only for them to get destroyed and Morpheus rationalising it as them not being the one since they died.
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The logistic of it are kinda funny if you think about. So I don’t think it works where the crew that frees you is who you serve with since most recruits are supposed to be young kids. It’s probably just like a regular military deployment and luck of the draw. Meaning Morpheus was out there asking Lock for specific people for his ship and had to keep going back after the newest member got clipped by an Agent or tried to fly off a bridge. And no one in Zion was batting an eye as to why this guy was sending in reports about the dead redpills they just sent him after they tried to fight an agent (edited)
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Like Morpheus spends ages hyping someone up, makes excuses when they fail the jump and keeps on about it. Sees an agent pop up during a mission and sends the doomed sap after them while escaping and watches them get creamed as the curb theme starts up.
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The logistic of it are kinda funny if you think about. So I don’t think it works where the crew that frees you is who you serve with since most recruits are supposed to be young kids. It’s probably just like a regular military deployment and luck of the draw. Meaning Morpheus was out there asking Lock for specific people for his ship and had to keep going back after the newest member got clipped by an Agent or tried to fly off a bridge. And no one in Zion was batting an eye as to why this guy was sending in reports about the dead redpills they just sent him after they tried to fight an agent (edited)
Actually yeah lol if Morpheus at first was just literally pointing at random redpill kids that would be darkly hilarious
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Like they all start trying to hide when he comes around
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All he had to do was ask Trinity if she loved anyone
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"Do you love them?" "Well in a platonic way I guess, they're like family." "Close enough, boys let's roll out!"
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Morpheus calls an agent to get rid of the potential
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Keanu doesn’t look old enough
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 20:58
Good genes made him age better than the most. Look at Mapother family.
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Zombie Ian Holm wasn't just a quick shot either. It looked awful and they insisted on making him a tertiary character
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:01
They should've just made him into animatronic puppet. It would look uncanny, but could've fitted more since synthetic is heavily damaged. Damn, even borked Bishop from Alien 3 looked more convincing. The film itself was too nostalgia-reliant and on the nose in this regard. (edited)
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It really did. When I saw the dead android on the floor I knew what was coming, was really hoping the were going to just use a busted-ass looking puppet
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Maybe with a little CG salt and pepper
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So there was one acceptable callback, 'I prefer the term artificial person, myself.' It makes sense he'd say that, since all androids probably say that exact phrase (edited)
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Can they make a multi season show about The Matrix though?
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:03
The current HBO, sadly, is not the same HBO that produced Six Feet Under, Oz, True Detective and stuff.
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The current HBO, sadly, is not the same HBO that produced Six Feet Under, Oz, True Detective and stuff.
Penguin was really good at least.
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Penguin was really good at least.
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:06
For every Penguin there's Night Country (Season 4 of True Detective), And Just Like That (crap that worse then Sex and The City 2 movie) and other below-average stuff.
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Never bothered with that season. S1 was pretty unbeatable
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And The Sopranos and The Wire were a loooooooong time ago
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:07
Welp, it's a season that was supposed to be it's own limited series, but was turned into True Detective by adding Season 1 references that go nowhere. It still would've sucked. (edited)
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The Wire was so damn good. And I think I've rewatched The Sopranos like 3 times? And put on random bits here and there now
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Can't get enough
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The Many Saints of Newark though, jeez. What a mess
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The fuck happened
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Boardwalk Empire was really good too. Man HBO has had a lot of great shows
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And The Sopranos and The Wire were a loooooooong time ago
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:10
2010's: Boardwalk Empire, Vinyl, The Knick (Cinemax Original). They started to go down in late 2010's.
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For every Penguin there's Night Country (Season 4 of True Detective), And Just Like That (crap that worse then Sex and The City 2 movie) and other below-average stuff.
You forget Succession, White Lotus, Barry…
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I could NOT get into white lotus, but LOVED Barry so much
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They still make good stuff
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My wife watches Succession, never seen it
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They have better quality control than most producers
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Succession is probably the best show of the decade so far
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They seem to have better people running things than most of Warner
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They have better quality control than most producers
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:13
Sadly, it became more committee-driven nowadays. Barry was good, indeed. Hader managed to gain a lot of trust from Parker and Stone, after all.
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Hader is a brilliant filmmaker
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I don’t think being in the writers room for a few episodes of South Park means anything haha
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The guy watches movies all the time and talk about that non stop (edited)
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He’s obsessed
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I don’t think being in the writers room for a few episodes of South Park means anything haha
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:14
Well, considering they very much in control and rarely allow someone to write it...
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He’s probably in the top 3 of SNL performers
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I was definitely sad to see Barry end, such good shit
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He wanted it to end
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No idea what he’s doing next
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A movie I hope
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He’s made for it
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Yeah it wasn't like it got canceled or anything, it just means there's no more and I want more lol
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Because he wrote, stared AND directed most episodes
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It’s barely ever seen on tv
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I was definitely sad to see Barry end, such good shit
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:16
Loved seeing Stephen "Red Stapler" Root playing total ass in the show.
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Maybe Donald Glover did that with Atlanta for a bit but that’s very rare
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Stephen Root plays asshole characters like that a lot, oddly untrustworthy, or just fuckin off their rocker like in The Men who Stare at Goats
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The cast of Barry was insanely good
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Love that guy
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No-Ho Hank
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His small role in No Country for Old Men is great
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The Fonz
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All great
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Loved Hank, that dude is great in Gotham too
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He’s in the next Supahman movie
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Gunn loves to bring people from TV
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:19
The Matrix TV series, sadly, ain't gonna happen. We don't know if Goddard will stick to the movie project long enough. He could leave. (edited)
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Peacemaker is also HBO, pretty fun!
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:19
Not a comic-book guy. Not really into whole Gunn craze.
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Euphoria is also a big success, hate it or love it
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old shit again but Deadwood was HBO
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The Sopranos
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That’s it
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Yeah that was mentioned back with The Wire
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The Sopranos
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:20
Never got into it.
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Some of the best shit they ever did
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:21
Six Feet Under, however - yes. Great Black Dramedy.
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I might like it a bit much
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If you don't like gangster shit, there's nothing there for you. Sopranos is top shelf gangster stories, and every episode is like a mini-film
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The Sopranos is a comedy dressed as a drama
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It's pretty tragic, but yeah def heavy comedy elements
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Every single thing they say is funny in some ways
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But it’s a deep show
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Real character studies and of course the psychology thing
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Six Feet Under was great too
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If you don't like gangster shit, there's nothing there for you. Sopranos is top shelf gangster stories, and every episode is like a mini-film
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:23
I enjoy it enough. Just wasn't into Sopranos. I even enjoy interviews with ex mob guys.
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The two have very important endings in the history of TV
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I'll also big up The Penguin, I genuinely was surprised by how much I enjoyed it but considering how much of its DNA it takes from Sopranos it's not actually a surprise.
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I was super glad they kept with the real-world grit style Batman, super not into superhero stuff
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magic powers and stuff
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I mean it would have been weird to see Bat Mite show up
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I like both but wasn't a huge fan of The Batman so was extra suprised by Penguin
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Expected something more like Gotham
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I dug The Batman but it wasn't my favorite Bats flick
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Gotham was great but it had that layer of cheese
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Not even in a bad way
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It just didn't take it self TOO seriously
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Penguin went full bore
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Gotham had no budget, no right to some characters, no HBO and no Colin Farrell
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:25
So... wish there was more of The Matrix content, but not much of it was produced. As for a new film: it needs to rectify a lot of stuff Resurrections ended up throwing in. Otherwise it will be another bonkers nonsense. (edited)
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A new film just needs to start fresh imo
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Robin Lord Taylor killed it as Penguin in that tho
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We don’t need a new film
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We don't but if there is to be one I'd rather it's its own thing entirely
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It’s gonna try to be Rogue One
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Mark my words
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Robin Lord Taylor killed it as Penguin in that tho
Agreed as well as the guy who played the Riddler
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Absolutely
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Ouranos
It’s gonna try to be Rogue One
Honestly that's probably the best we can expect. Rogue One isn't great but it's at least serviceable
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I said “they’re gonna TRY”
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The two have very important endings in the history of TV
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:27
Didn't know Six Feet Under was on some list. Ending was indeed very much conclusive in it, indeed.
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It’s considered the best tv ending of all time
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Well it’s always on top of lists
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The Sopranos is more divisive
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The Wire had a great ending too
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Honestly that's probably the best we can expect. Rogue One isn't great but it's at least serviceable
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:28
Uh... how about being like the first three and the Animatrix, but expansive in terms of story and world building?
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Uh... how about being like the first three and the Animatrix, but expansive in terms of story and world building?
I mean I'd love for a new Matrix film to reach those heights but it isn't going to happen in the current Hollywood system
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The first three movies were very different beasts
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Sopranos' ending was a brilliant move. Talked about forever. But also it was set up by Bobby when he and Tony are in the boat, talking about when you get shot, you never know it/hear it (edited)
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The mod is never talking about The Matrix
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That's how I took it anyway
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I mean I'd love for a new Matrix film to reach those heights but it isn't going to happen in the current Hollywood system
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:30
Hence I'm skeptical, too.
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I was going to say let's move the TV conversation to #television but 99/100 times it just stops the conversation dead
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Fuck discord, let's just go back to IRC
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Sopranos' ending was a brilliant move. Talked about forever. But also it was set up by Bobby when he and Tony are in the boat, talking about when you get shot, you never know it/hear it (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:30
The Thing twist, got it.
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Let’s go back to the DN1 forums I have a great sig
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Sopranos' ending was a brilliant move. Talked about forever. But also it was set up by Bobby when he and Tony are in the boat, talking about when you get shot, you never know it/hear it (edited)
Also when the guy threatened Gloria Trillo and said her death wouldn't be cinematic. Infact all the deaths in Sopranos were super banal
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The Thing twist, got it.
Not like The Thing. The screen just goes black with no explanation (edited)
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Fuck discord, let's just go back to IRC
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:31
Well, the whole Matrix mythos are explained in one sentence, after all: "It's all about the Pentiums".
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Don’t spoil the sopranos
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Dammit
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This is a crime in some countries
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That's like saying don't say who Keiser Soze is
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A lot of people don’t know
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It’s not Darth Vader is the dad famous
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The Sopranos ending is probably the most famous modern TV ending tbf
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:33
Whatevs. I'm fine with that. Even with knowing there's also execution of it that matters. (edited)
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I’m calling the mods on the mod
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let's take #television conversation to #television and watch the conversation die
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Morpheus had the best taste in retro deco
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
EdwinEchoXVI 9.12.2024. 21:36
He also was a Cowboy in Pee Wee Playhouse. Prefers not to remember... along with his trip in 'Nam.
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Unplug was the best thing that happened to him.
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Just kidding.
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He was in a lot of good movies in the 90’s like Boyz n The Hood and King of New York
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Event Horizon right before The Matrix, captain of a different ship
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Dude was really good as Clean in Apocalypse Now, young af. 15/16?
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He lied and said he was 18
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To get the part
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He was also in Spike Lee movies and a few others Coppola movies (including Megalopolis where he’s also the narrator)
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He was nominated for an Oscar for a Tina Turner biopic where he plays Ike but I’ve never seen it
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Strong career
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Jack Crawford in the Hannibal TV series
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Eddie Izzard was so good in that show
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Very underused Perry White
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Dogwithashotgun 10.12.2024. 8:29
Megalopolis was awful
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Genuinely embarassing to watch. Nothing was endearing about it
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It did make me realise where people are coming from when they hate the matrix resurrections
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Films like Megalopolis remind me as to why we need corporate types somewhat in film. Like sure having an auteur being able to create what they want can be great but sometimes corporate has a point. (edited)
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So I was rewatching Animatrix last night, world record specifically and had a thought about Cipher. So Trinity says its impossible for people to go back in but we as the audience know its possible from world record but the mc at the end was still somewhat aware so I'm assuming that would be the same for Cipher if he were to be reinserted?
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Like he'd be in but fully aware it was fake.
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Another random question (that I headcanoned an answer to) did Smith assimilate the architect?
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So I was rewatching Animatrix last night, world record specifically and had a thought about Cipher. So Trinity says its impossible for people to go back in but we as the audience know its possible from world record but the mc at the end was still somewhat aware so I'm assuming that would be the same for Cipher if he were to be reinserted?
World Record never shows someone being unplugged and reinserted
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Just someone who woke up for ten seconds
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Another random question (that I headcanoned an answer to) did Smith assimilate the architect?
No
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Regarding the resinsertion, I think the only time it’s brought back is in The Matrix Online (edited)
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And basically we learned it was a lie by the Machines
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My reasoning for Smith and the Architect is that we would have seen it in the movies if it happened. Too important to just ignore. So I think Architect is like Merv, he’s got ways of hiding outside of the system.
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World Record never shows someone being unplugged and reinserted
That's true but I always saw it as if they can forcibly put someone back under why would it be different for a redpill. The plugs are still there
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World Record shows what happens when you don’t make the choice, when it’s kind of forced on you
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He would have drowned if he actually got out
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That's true but I always saw it as if they can forcibly put someone back under why would it be different for a redpill. The plugs are still there
I mean they did it with Neo and Trin so it’s definitely canon now
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I always interpreted the ending as after seeing the truth he wanted out but I get what you mean about the initial awakening
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I mean they did it with Neo and Trin so it’s definitely canon now
It looked very painful though
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Then again they also had to bring them back from the dead so that’s an extra step
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See my headcanon is that Smith did because we see that he has access to the backways in reloaded and I think that it adds to his nihilistic character for him to gain the Architect's knowledge of the matrix and it's cycles. Also he refers to the Oracle as mom in Revolutions and I believe the only one who does that is the Architect
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Also helps to explain in my head why he doesn't show up in Revolutions until the end
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I don’t think so because the Architect’s room can only accessed by one person in very particular conditions
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That is true
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I don’t think so because the Architect’s room can only accessed by one person in very particular conditions
EdwinEchoXVI 11.12.2024. 10:13
Two, actually. Oracle can clearly visit Architect whenever she finds it necessary. But she can't lead anyone directly there since it's not part of her programming and she's clearly not stupid when it comes to that. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 11.12.2024. 10:25
He did tell her that she played a very dangerous game. In his equation things go in worst scenario. In her assessment: outcome is equal, albeit flawed, has 50/50 probability. (edited)
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Just heard an old interview with Lou Diamond Phillips where he stalks about turning down a supporting role in The Matrix. He wouldn’t reveal the character, but he said not Neo and not Agent Smith. Also, he said would have accepted if Brad Pit and or Sean Connery accepted. So I eliminate Morpheus. (edited)
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Gonnna guess Apoc
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Is it just the OG film? Because if we're talking about all four movies, I could see him as Commander Locke.
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Probably just the original. I’ve never heard any mention of Pit or Connery being asked for the sequels.
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Cypher if it’s just the first movie
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Cypher if it’s just the first movie
I thought Cypher, but Joe Pants was ported over right from Bound.
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My guess is Tank.
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Same. I can totally picture LDP as Tank (edited)
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dedesigns57 16.12.2024. 4:21
Would most people agree that the last matrix film was a middling finger up to the audience the same way Joker joke folie a deux or Star Wars the Last Jedi was ?
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I do not agree. And I don't know why anyone would believe that Lana Wachowski would decided to dedicate a "fuck you" to her recently passed mother and father. (edited)
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I do not agree. And I don't know why anyone would believe that Lana Wachowski would decided to dedicate a "fuck you" to her recently passed mother and father. (edited)
I agree that it is Not a middle finger to the audience. Possibly a middle finger to the studio as well as tribute to parents.
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I can understand why people think that when they see the potshots taking at WB in the film and it not being great but looking at anything outside the film the 'deliberately bad' idea is a non-starter
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TBF I thought bringing Neo and Trinity back was a studio move until I read interviews with Lana
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Would most people agree that the last matrix film was a middling finger up to the audience the same way Joker joke folie a deux or Star Wars the Last Jedi was ?
Nope
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I can understand why people think that when they see the potshots taking at WB in the film and it not being great but looking at anything outside the film the 'deliberately bad' idea is a non-starter
EdwinEchoXVI 16.12.2024. 23:03
Nah. It's just Lana and Lily ran out of steam and lost it, together or separately.
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When the story in Resurrections itself is barely coherent and full of nonsense on a level "it'll be fine like this", yet in the interviews is opposite - it's far more sad. (edited)
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When the story in Resurrections itself is barely coherent and full of nonsense on a level "it'll be fine like this", yet in the interviews is opposite - it's far more sad. (edited)
Definitely agree
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lol not sure how valuable the criticism is when its from someone that attributes the writing to a woman who wasn’t involved at all.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 17.12.2024. 1:00
I've just finished the second coming of my all-in-one-day Matrix marathon, which this time included The Animatrix and took the total runtime to just under eleven hours. 💖 (edited)
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lol not sure how valuable the criticism is when its from someone that attributes the writing to a woman who wasn’t involved at all.
Poor Lilly just wanted to make a regular TV show
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Nope
dedesigns57 18.12.2024. 1:58
why ?
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I can understand why people think that when they see the potshots taking at WB in the film and it not being great but looking at anything outside the film the 'deliberately bad' idea is a non-starter
dedesigns57 18.12.2024. 2:00
what are pop shots at WB doing in a matrix film ? How does that fit into the theme and over story ? (edited)
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what are pop shots at WB doing in a matrix film ? How does that fit into the theme and over story ? (edited)
The quotes that Smith made about WB forcing them to make a new Matrix game with or without the original creator which was a stand in for the movie. A lot of people believed those comments were Lana commenting on the unnecessary need for a new film and therefore were the reason for the lower quality. Again I don't agree with that idea as discussed above but I can see why people believe it if they just watched the film without looking at anything else behind it.
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The quotes that Smith made about WB forcing them to make a new Matrix game with or without the original creator which was a stand in for the movie. A lot of people believed those comments were Lana commenting on the unnecessary need for a new film and therefore were the reason for the lower quality. Again I don't agree with that idea as discussed above but I can see why people believe it if they just watched the film without looking at anything else behind it.
dedesigns57 18.12.2024. 2:12
what behind the curtain details are you specifically referencing ?
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I don't know if I can post links here but Lana has been pretty open about writing to the script to help after family bereavements, you can find written/video interviews about it
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Her best friend also died around that time
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I don't know if I can post links here but Lana has been pretty open about writing to the script to help after family bereavements, you can find written/video interviews about it
dedesigns57 18.12.2024. 2:51
Yeah I did hear a little about that, for me though the film came off as mockery in many respects and Primary designed to Subvert people's expectation for what a matrix film is. Of course the theme of love is clear BUT its not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of this film. (edited)
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I do like aspects of the film for what its worth. Just to be clear.
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In which way does it try to subvert our expectation? I’ve heard the same kind of thing said about The Last Jedi and I still don’t have any idea what it means
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Why have expectation while looking at art?
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Why project what you want into an oeuvre before you even see it? (edited)
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Modern audiences baffle me
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I dont think Resurrections does try to subvert our expectations while I think The Last Jedi does and while I'd like to discuss this it's not on topic for Matrix films and would take me a while.
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On the second point though I think that's the really interesting part of commercialisation and the modern IP.
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Like once you ask people to pay to access a film, especially a sequel I don't think its wrong of people to have an expectation of what they want to see.
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As an example if I asked the average person what they liked about the first matrix film they'd probably say "Awesome action and effects with a kickass soundtrack that makes you think a bit." So that now becomes our expectation
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So we can see with each of the sequels people liked them less because they were worse than the original at one or more of the above points. (edited)
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So we can see with each of the sequels people liked them less because they were worse than the original at one or more of the above points. (edited)
dedesigns57 20.12.2024. 5:14
Everything you said was well said. (edited)
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In which way does it try to subvert our expectation? I’ve heard the same kind of thing said about The Last Jedi and I still don’t have any idea what it means
dedesigns57 20.12.2024. 5:22
I think that TDPersona's comment above brought some clarity on this subject matter. Subverting exceptions simply means surprising an audience with unexpected plot twists or outcome especially when it comes to sequels. A simple and off topic example of subverting exceptions is when in Terminator 2 Arnold Schwarzenegger came back as the "Good Guy" for example. What dont you understand ? (edited)
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By the way, I just found a Reddit post about 1 that came complete with a screenshot of what the OP was talking about: you don't notice it unless you look very carefully, and you almost definitely won't notice it the first ever time you watch the movie, but it seems that during the scene of Cypher and Smith's steak restaurant meeting, Jones and Brown were both in the reflection of the glass windows, suggesting they were also there in the restaurant. They were probably standing there as security for the meeting.
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I just thought it was a very neat detail when I found out about it a minute ago. ^^
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I could I have possibly missed that all this time, after countless viewings lol (edited)
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I mean there is no attention given to them and the shot is only up for not even a second. (edited)
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I could I have possibly missed that all this time, after countless viewings lol (edited)
👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑 20.12.2024. 23:55
I know lmao. I had no idea about it myself until I stumbled upon the Reddit post the screencap's from and I just finished another marathon earlier this week!
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It just goes to show that there's always something new to find in the movies, especially in 1, during every rewatch. 💗
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By the way, I just found a Reddit post about 1 that came complete with a screenshot of what the OP was talking about: you don't notice it unless you look very carefully, and you almost definitely won't notice it the first ever time you watch the movie, but it seems that during the scene of Cypher and Smith's steak restaurant meeting, Jones and Brown were both in the reflection of the glass windows, suggesting they were also there in the restaurant. They were probably standing there as security for the meeting.
dedesigns57 21.12.2024. 2:55
yeah thats a good one! Had it pointed out to me as well a while back.
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I think that TDPersona's comment above brought some clarity on this subject matter. Subverting exceptions simply means surprising an audience with unexpected plot twists or outcome especially when it comes to sequels. A simple and off topic example of subverting exceptions is when in Terminator 2 Arnold Schwarzenegger came back as the "Good Guy" for example. What dont you understand ? (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 22.12.2024. 21:50
Subversion and deconstruction are good tools in right hands. Unfortunately, those two are used poorly nowadays.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
By the way, I just found a Reddit post about 1 that came complete with a screenshot of what the OP was talking about: you don't notice it unless you look very carefully, and you almost definitely won't notice it the first ever time you watch the movie, but it seems that during the scene of Cypher and Smith's steak restaurant meeting, Jones and Brown were both in the reflection of the glass windows, suggesting they were also there in the restaurant. They were probably standing there as security for the meeting.
Okay this is awesome!
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Nic Der Hund 3.1.2025. 1:49
Great news, Croixa (my GF) has now seen the Second Renaissance and The Matrix and she is hooked
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Also watching everything in canon order is fun
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.1.2025. 19:21
I'd say: 2018 release is more in line with the first three. Looks like happy middle. Green enough, but not too much. Industrial cold greenish, of sorts.
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Someone said in a comment on Reddit that one of them was redone by the original cinematographer so its closer to the "desired" viewing experience. I think its the one that is an inbetween of blue and green.
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Someone said in a comment on Reddit that one of them was redone by the original cinematographer so its closer to the "desired" viewing experience. I think its the one that is an inbetween of blue and green.
EdwinEchoXVI 3.1.2025. 19:33
That's because 2004 DVD release and 2008 Blu-Ray release were made from the same master which was criticized for blunt slapping of green filter. From viewer perspective (which maybe subjective), UHD re-release feels more like coloring done by a person. And yes, Bill Pope and Jan Yarbrough supervised it with full approval of Lana and Lily. (edited)
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Someone said in a comment on Reddit that one of them was redone by the original cinematographer so its closer to the "desired" viewing experience. I think its the one that is an inbetween of blue and green.
The Blu-ray release was overseen by Bill Pope along side the Wachowskis. It’s as close to an official intended viewing as any of the examples come. The 4K was also overseen by Bill Pope but the Wachowskis did not contribute. For an MxO comparison The 4K recolor is about as official as Paul Chadwick’s writing for the story prior to 2019. IE Wachowski selected but not involved beyond nominating. (edited)
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Lotta people assume that “The Art of the Matrix” contains the entirety of the films storyboards. Unfortunately they’re wrong as I’ve discovered recently. Here’s a look inside a production binder. The trouble is the scene titled “Cortechs Capture” this scene isn’t included inside AotM. Probably because of the name “Cortechs” since production had to add the “Meta” in front of it to avoid any copyright bs (edited)
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Anyway the other scene not in AotM is right at the top “Trace Program”.
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Last month though someone sold a binder on eBay with the first films storyboards. Among the images he took was this.
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You are looking at board 1 scene 1 of The Matrix (edited)
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“But is it real!?” One might ask. Which I did after seeing the low ball price it sold at.
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Few years back Joel Silver sold a bunch of shit he had to HA. One of the lots had this image in it that I never knew wtf top left was supposed to be (edited)
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TIL it’s the opening storyboard.
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There’s also this image from the eBay auction. However unless this is supposed to be part of the “Trinity Chase” boards it doesn’t fit within any divides production team had on the boards.
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The dialogue on the screen matches lines from the 96 draft of the screenplay (edited)
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The Blu-ray release was overseen by Bill Pope along side the Wachowskis. It’s as close to an official intended viewing as any of the examples come. The 4K was also overseen by Bill Pope but the Wachowskis did not contribute. For an MxO comparison The 4K recolor is about as official as Paul Chadwick’s writing for the story prior to 2019. IE Wachowski selected but not involved beyond nominating. (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 5.1.2025. 13:04
Except Bill Pope helped 'em in their beginnings and was a DP on the entire trilogy.
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Except Bill Pope helped 'em in their beginnings and was a DP on the entire trilogy.
Bill Pope still isn’t named Wachowski and everything he did went through Lana and Lily when he was working with the sisters. The Blu-Ray had the Wachowskis actually working on it and involved in the process with their final say. The 4K is just Pope. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 5.1.2025. 16:28
"I've seen this movie. I know how it ends..."
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Last month though someone sold a binder on eBay with the first films storyboards. Among the images he took was this.
Interesting how this looks like the yellow code in Revolutions (edited)
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There’s also this image from the eBay auction. However unless this is supposed to be part of the “Trinity Chase” boards it doesn’t fit within any divides production team had on the boards.
This is like the best scene in Resurrections but as an IRC haha
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Few years back Joel Silver sold a bunch of shit he had to HA. One of the lots had this image in it that I never knew wtf top left was supposed to be (edited)
Last time I heard about Joel, his PA had drowned while on cocaine (edited)
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Last time I heard about Joel, his PA had drowned while on cocaine (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 5.1.2025. 18:18
At least someone went out on a high note. Hollywood old fashioned style. (edited)
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This is like the best scene in Resurrections but as an IRC haha
Funny you mention Resurrections because there’s three things about that chat log that stands out after the fact lol (edited)
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At least someone went out on a high note. Hollywood old fashioned style. (edited)
Fatty Arbuckle’s ghost held responsible (edited)
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Funny you mention Resurrections because there’s three things about that chat log that stands out after the fact lol (edited)
Well outside of the « women are all men online » which… yeah…, you also have the Matrix is a video game, an advertising gimmick and a euphemism for the government (edited)
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Well outside of the « women are all men online » which… yeah…, you also have the Matrix is a video game, an advertising gimmick and a euphemism for the government (edited)
Matrix as a game, Morpheus isn’t real (stretch), and using “4” instead of “for”.
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Nice to see Lana never lost what she wanted to talk about
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She reminds me of Lynch in some ways
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I would even argue Twin Peaks The Return and Resurrections are kind of trying to accomplish the same thing (edited)
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(The Return is much much better though I can’t say otherwise)
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Two very unique filmmakers bringing back their popular franchises to look at nostalgia with skepticism (edited)
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tobipickle 5.1.2025. 22:07
i genuinely enjoyed this montage, i thought the poking fun of all the differnet interpretations was fun
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even as someone who loves to read into the matrix as a trans metaphor, way more than it was intended to be, i find it funny she put that in the matrix 4
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There’s also this image from the eBay auction. However unless this is supposed to be part of the “Trinity Chase” boards it doesn’t fit within any divides production team had on the boards.
Sweetmeat Shade 8.1.2025. 6:38
I can’t believe this exists
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Nice to see Lana never lost what she wanted to talk about
EdwinEchoXVI 8.1.2025. 8:59
Especially Anderson's face. Reminds me of current corporate culture in the office.
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tobipickle 11.1.2025. 15:51
its nice to see lana is exec producer
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still cant imagine im gonna enjoy a 5th matrix film though.
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I feel like she’s just producing because it’s in her contract
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Kind of like Ridley and the new Alien
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tobipickle 11.1.2025. 19:47
yeah makes sense
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The fact Lana hasn’t said a word about this is pretty telling. In the original announcement WB had a quote, Goddard had a quote, Lana? Nothing. Also not thrilled to see this dude is working on like five other projects and he’s still in a stage of writing where “things can change” related to this. Sounds like this isn’t a priority for him.
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Yep, that’s why when it was announced I told everyone here that there is a huge chance this movie never gets made
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Spec script to see if people are into the idea of a M5 and to take the temperature (edited)
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Revives Goddard’s mid career
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No movie gets made
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Guess Goddard and Abrams had a falling out. Abrams used to love throwing Goddard’s name on everything.
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The general audience had a falling out with Abrams too tbh haha
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I think he’s only producing now
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Last April, we heard exciting news: Drew Goddard, known for The Martian and The Cabin in the Woods, was chosen to direct a new Matrix film for Warner Bros.
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I tend not to judge casting decision before seeing the movie
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But I hope they don’t go that direction
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Casting Ariana isn’t very (cyber) punk
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Nothing surrounding this movie is very cyber punk (edited)
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But I hope they don’t go that direction
EdwinEchoXVI 13.1.2025. 19:20
It depends. Maybe that's kinda the point. She doesn't have much roles to compare, so hard to judge for now. (edited)
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Guess Goddard and Abrams had a falling out. Abrams used to love throwing Goddard’s name on everything.
EdwinEchoXVI 13.1.2025. 19:27
Goddard is better writer than Abrams, that's for sure. When it comes to Abrams, I liked only his show Alias, somewhat.
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I would say they boxe in the same mediocre category, one is just more remarkable than the other
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The Martian wasn’t my cup of tea to say the least
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EdwinEchoXVI 22.1.2025. 18:46
Managed to get 35 mm print scan of The Matrix. After checking it out: it's definitely how I've seen the film back in the day, minus print wear. Green color is not omnipresent, but it is subtly added. First - on certain objects, full locations by the end (subway). UHD release comes closest to that. I hope someone will manage to find better print and scan it.
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The degreened color correction this guy did is my favorite one I've seen recently: https://discord.com/channels/137006126100250624/616653056016121868/1272925476545101856
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Love seeing the green sets/lighting in the Matrix scenes instead of just a green filter over the entire film (edited)
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Love seeing the green sets/lighting in the Matrix scenes instead of just a green filter over the entire film (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 22.1.2025. 21:06
First home video release on VHS was based on this kind of master copy, where I lived. And considering I watched it on a loop along with couple of other films: I managed to remember that stuff. Wish digitized print wasn't so worn-off, but they can be hard to find and expensive to come by. (edited)
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I thought so too 🙂
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Gonna add that to the ol’ archives
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That will be found by archeologists one day
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We finally have clarification on how Switch, switched in the original script. (edited)
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in the original script, Switch was a man in the real world and a woman in the matrix. written in early 90's before "trans" was even in our vocabulary.
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I would have loved to see this concept in one of the movies
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How come they didn’t do it for any of the sequels?
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I’m going to assume because of cost. One actor for one role cheaper than two actors for one role. I also think they might have recognized they didn’t properly know how to exactly write it. We run into a really awkward question of how Switch prefers to present. Is the Matrix their true self or is the real world? If it’s the real why does Switch fall back to a female DSI. If it’s the Matrix why dod Switch take the red pill? Or maybe it’s both and Switch just likes going back and forth which then isn’t really about trans issues but non-binary ones.
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The story I always heard was the studio was against it
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What’s the best matrix movie
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Bugs could have a been a good character like that
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She could have used more development
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What’s the best matrix movie
The Matrix 1
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I’m going to assume because of cost. One actor for one role cheaper than two actors for one role. I also think they might have recognized they didn’t properly know how to exactly write it. We run into a really awkward question of how Switch prefers to present. Is the Matrix their true self or is the real world? If it’s the real why does Switch fall back to a female DSI. If it’s the Matrix why dod Switch take the red pill? Or maybe it’s both and Switch just likes going back and forth which then isn’t really about trans issues but non-binary ones.
EdwinEchoXVI 31.1.2025. 9:08
I think it's overthinking. Might as well follow the theory "everything that happened was a dream of the worm inside of cow's... behind." (edited)
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What’s the best matrix movie
EdwinEchoXVI 31.1.2025. 9:10
First one. Second could've been but overstuffed, since it also required side media (Enter the Matrix and Animatrix) for the story to be more fleshed out. (edited)
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First one. Second could've been but overstuffed, since it also required side media (Enter the Matrix and Animatrix) for the story to be more fleshed out. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 1.2.2025. 8:42
Hardly worth it to take at face value opinion of a failed screenwriter and his pal (the one on video). Never understood why those two managed to gain traction. (edited)
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You must be fun at parties
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Hardly worth it to take at face value opinion of a failed screenwriter and his pal (the one on video). Never understood why those two managed to gain traction. (edited)
Ya roger had some horrendous takes
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He gave spawn an almost perfect score
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He was the first to admit when he felt he was wrong about his first opinion though
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For exemple: read his Blue Velvet review followed by his Mulholland Drive review
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He was the first to admit when he felt he was wrong about his first opinion though
EdwinEchoXVI 2.2.2025. 17:23
Welp, that doesn't say much. He did the same thing with The Godfather Part II. Scathing review at first, but then changed his tune aster everyone else praised and re-appraised. (edited)
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He gave the original matrix a mixed review lol
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Insane
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Senile guy
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Senile guy
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:13
Excessively verbose individuals. Not worth taking their opinions at face value. And their opinion changes in a very conformist way. Don't forget that back in the day now acclaimed Clint Eastwood was nothing but critical poison. Critics hated him. And the fact that he was liked by the audience made him even more hated among them.
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No need to remind about Stallone here, either. Same story. And Michael Bay... oh, boy. (edited)
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Roger liked first blood
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Michael bay is a hack
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Deserves the hate
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Michael bay is a hack
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:21
Far from it. If you ever owned a home video release of any of his films, Director's Commentary done by him proves that he's far from one.
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Shouldn’t need to listen to him defend his own movies to come to the conclusion that he’s competent
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:24
His films aren't poorly made, that's for sure. And he is one of the last ones who prefers film to digital... and Pain & Gain was great, come on.
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Didn’t watch pain & gain
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Hate the rock
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And I strongly disagree on his movies not being poorly made
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To each his own
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Hate the rock
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:25
One of the few times where he proves his actual acting capabilities.
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But back to the Matrix.
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Despite being a mixed bag among critics. Sequels, mostly. You have to admit they did push "visual theme" into more mainstream cinema. (edited)
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Before visual stuff was a thing of former ad-makers and MV-makers, most of the time.
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I didn’t care for 2 or 3
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To me it ends at the first one
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And wdym by visual theme
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To me it ends at the first one
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:32
2 and 3 went into whole trans-media territory which indeed complicated narrative. To get it completely you also have to watch Animatrix and Enter the Matrix. And to it in-between 2 and 3. (edited)
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And wdym by visual theme
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:32
Visual style.
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Visual style.
Ya every movie wanted to look like it after it came out
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It was just that good
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Ya every movie wanted to look like it after it came out
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:34
As soon as copying toned down, most directors tried to make their own thing in terms of visuals.
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Some succeeded, some not.
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Ya every movie wanted to look like it after it came out
Swordfish's ball bearing explosion scene in the beginning of the movie, ugh
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Not something I noticed
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Swordfish's ball bearing explosion scene in the beginning of the movie, ugh
Never seen
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Some succeeded, some not.
I think equilibrium was a good matrix-esque movie
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It's a pretty ridiculous movie, not really worth going out of your way for. But it has some ridiculously quotable lines
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I always thought equilibrium was pretty cheeseball and obviously 'we saw the matrix'
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You can tell it’s heavily inspired by it but it still feels like its own thing imo
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Smash Brave New World, The Matrix and Fahrenheit 451 together with too much style
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And white Cadillacs
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I always thought equilibrium was pretty cheeseball and obviously 'we saw the matrix'
It is cheesy but it’s my kind of cheese lol
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Not something I noticed
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:37
Equilibrium had his own thing, though took inspirations from HK Gun-fu. Underworld showed things in very muted grey/blueish manner. Even Saw franchise went for dark industrial style. There's many. (edited)
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It’s very much apeing the matrix but, I like the matrix so, lol
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Can’t complain too much
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It’s very much apeing the matrix but, I like the matrix so, lol
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:38
The film did make Gun-kata a thing. Which was inspired by Gun-fu.
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Ya I think that really helped separate it from just being another matrix rip off
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The matrix had gun play but not really gun fu the way equilibrium did
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Ya I think that really helped separate it from just being another matrix rip off
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:40
Because it wasn't. HK action inspirations are giving some similarities, but not in every way.
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I feel like it’s undeniable that the matrix heavily influenced that movie though lol
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Again not that I mind that
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It still felt like its own spin on it
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It came out at the time where every movie was trying to be the matrix
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I don’t think that’s just coincidence lol
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I feel like it’s undeniable that the matrix heavily influenced that movie though lol
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:42
Not really. Same inspirations - yes. And Blade (1998) did slow-mo before the Matrix.
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Ya but blade didn’t do it anywhere near as good as the matrix
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There’s a reason why that film is still being referenced in movies today while blade just isn’t
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Ya but blade didn’t do it anywhere near as good as the matrix
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:46
Blade was a comic-book adaptation which was a risky due. It did rejuvenated interest in adapting comics. As for Equilibrium: it made profit on pre-sale deals and managed to make 50 million on home video. Sadly, Wimmer got screwed by Sony while making Ultraviolet.
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Not really. Same inspirations - yes. And Blade (1998) did slow-mo before the Matrix.
So you think it was just coincidentally inspired by the same things at the same time
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I don’t buy that lol
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Blade was a comic-book adaptation which was a risky due. It did rejuvenated interest in adapting comics. As for Equilibrium: it made profit on pre-sale deals and managed to make 50 million on home video. Sadly, Wimmer got screwed by Sony while making Ultraviolet.
Idrc about comics
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So you think it was just coincidentally inspired by the same things at the same time
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:48
Yes. Because even Max Payne took things from Hong Kong action films and was in development before The Matrix. Hong Kong action films were a thing in the 90's. Many people tried to inject things from them, hence why you have deja vu.
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I still just don’t think it was as good as the matrix regardless if it was a risk or not means nothing to me as an audience member
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I still just don’t think it was as good as the matrix regardless if it was a risk or not means nothing to me as an audience member
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:49
Similar in things - yes. But thematically different. As for what is more to your liking - it's a matter of taste, indeed. (edited)
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Idrc about comics
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:51
Neither am I. To the point I don't really like MCU. No stakes, no consequences kind of fare. (edited)
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Same
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Similar in things - yes. But thematically different. As for what is more to your liking - it's a matter of taste, indeed. (edited)
Didn’t find it as thematically interesting as the matrix either
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Didn’t find it as thematically interesting as the matrix either
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:57
Totalitarianism, fascism and stuff are not really mainstream in the west, for example. In Europe it's more popular, however.
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Was talking about blade there
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I still just don’t think it was as good as the matrix regardless if it was a risk or not means nothing to me as an audience member
And here
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Was talking about blade there
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 17:59
Blade is just more of an urban dark fantasy action, comic-book side aside. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 18:00
I'm just a huge sucker for audio-visual stuff.
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Fair enough lol
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I am too to an extent
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 18:01
Style over substance is a thing - yes. But occasionally style IS the substance.
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Completely agree
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I don’t think that’s inherently a bad thing if it’s a compelling style
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 18:03
As for The Matrix: it's a mix of HK Kung Fu action, Akira/GITS Cyberpunk and dotcom boom superstitions of late 90's/early 2000's. (edited)
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Gits feels like the biggest inspiration to me
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I need to rewatch akira
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 18:05
Mamoru Oshii film, specifically. Source material is quite different.
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I love the very specific 1999 online vibe it has
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The matrix
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Mamoru Oshii film, specifically. Source material is quite different.
Ya the movie
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I haven’t read the manga or whatever it’s based on
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I love the very specific 1999 online vibe it has
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 18:06
Yeah, late 90's/early 2000's - "X-treme Attitude" era of entertainment.
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Ya it just gives it a certain flavor
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EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 18:09
Dark Gothic Rave of the late 90's. The Matrix sure took a lot from it, including fashion.
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And the wave of 'reality isn't real' flicks in '98-99, Dark City, The Thirteenth Floor, eXistenZ, obv The Matrix (edited)
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I think the big reason for slowmo being so prevalent in the late 90’s is also technology
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People just started having fun with you can do with action scenes
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It didn’t age well most of the time
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John Woo movies aged better than most of these movies
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I like the way Vincent Gallo faked it in Buffalo '66 (1998), what looked like a moment frozen in time with the camera moving (edited)
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I shouldn't say 'faked it,' he pulled off some cool shots with low-tech techniques (edited)
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Michel Gondry also did a lot of cool stuff in his music videos
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The one for Mick Jagger comes to mind
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<3 michel gondry, man. The Science of Sleep, Eternal Sunshine, etc, the man is a genius
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He did this
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It’s a bunch of people inspiring each other and it all led to perfection with The Matrix
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And then the fad died
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Well it got overdone to hell first, then it died
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James Gunn still uses slowmo a lot
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And it was well done in the Quicksilver scenes in the X-Men
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Other than that… dead
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I keep hearing about the Quicksilver scenes but don't want to watch an x-men movie just to see them, I'm sure they're on the youtubes
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They are
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The first one is very good
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I saw the Brian Singer one, bits and pieces of other ones
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Oh you mean the first Quicksilver bit
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The quicksilver scene is probably the best use of slomo I’ve seen in a more modern movie
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John Woo movies aged better than most of these movies
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 22:31
Woo always shot things in a very "poetic" manner, hence why it worked.
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He’s always wearing his heart on his sleeve
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He’s always wearing his heart on his sleeve
EdwinEchoXVI 3.2.2025. 23:09
Was, sadly. He lost it after Red Cliff.
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I’ve only seen face off
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I’ve only seen face off
Oh no, do yourself a favor and see the stuff he did with Tsui Hark
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Most of his flicks before he started making US films. A Better Tomorrow, A Better Tomorrow II,
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The Killer
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Oh wait, Tsui Hark wasn't involved in The Killer
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I wanted to give those a chance but it’s hard to find foreign movies with good subtitles on the totally legal websites
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But still, John Woo's HK films (imo) were top notch. Stuff like Face/Off and Broken Arrow were just not my brand of cheese
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Face/Off is so bad but you have to see it at least once
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It’s really not that bad
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It’s at least fine
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I'm glad you like it. Also I hate to be that guy but if we start to go onto movies in general let's try to do that in #movies instead of #matrix-films . It's a pain in the ass since talking about Matrix films naturally leads to film in general.
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Oh wait, Tsui Hark wasn't involved in The Killer
EdwinEchoXVI 4.2.2025. 0:05
He produced it, but in credit only. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 4.2.2025. 0:19
@Master By the way, whole love for HK action films is one of the reasons why Wachowskis got Yuen Woo-ping as fight choreographer.
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Ya that tracks
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The legend. Dude actually played the chief in the live action adaptation of Wicked City (1992)
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One or two shots really reminded me of his choreography, esp the wire work, wonder if he had anything to do with it in that production
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NerdPromComics 4.2.2025. 18:47
Trying to figure out how to access the commentary for all the movies. I own the special box set but the discs always skip :/
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I’m pretty sure the all three West and Wilbur commentary are on YouTube. The critics commentary isn’t worth your time. Only thing you might be missing out on is the crew commentary on the first movie
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NerdPromComics 5.2.2025. 2:58
Its online but its not in its entirety. Was there ever anything done for the 4th?
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There’s a bts short documentary that’s also on YouTube. But there wasn’t any commentary track over the film.
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Mobfighter 6.2.2025. 16:18
Hey. I liked the first two Matrix films, but from what I remember at least I have a few big issues that keep me from liking the third one Revolutions. Off the top of my head how is Neo able to see energy or heat while blind, and what reason do the machines possibly have to honor their deal with Neo? Once Smith is gone and no longer a threat they could just wipe Zion out and make Neo reset The Matrix so It’s repopulated again right? Also felt like the ‘battle of Zion’ stuff was pretty half-baked and didn’t need nearly as much time dedicated to it as there was. I’ll probably have to rewatch it again though
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Mobfighter 6.2.2025. 16:51
Also I think the flying part in the Neo Vs Smith fight was unnecessary. What needed to be shown was Neo’s determination to keep fighting because it’s a choice he makes and to make Smith feel like he’s winning and gaining the upper hand. Also Neo realizing what is needed to beat Smith and it’s not his determination to live that will accomplish it. While it is grand in that it’s a battle for the lives within The Matrix itself and Zion, the grandiose and self-indulgence of it almost feels like it’s for Smith’s benefit.
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Hey. I liked the first two Matrix films, but from what I remember at least I have a few big issues that keep me from liking the third one Revolutions. Off the top of my head how is Neo able to see energy or heat while blind, and what reason do the machines possibly have to honor their deal with Neo? Once Smith is gone and no longer a threat they could just wipe Zion out and make Neo reset The Matrix so It’s repopulated again right? Also felt like the ‘battle of Zion’ stuff was pretty half-baked and didn’t need nearly as much time dedicated to it as there was. I’ll probably have to rewatch it again though
EdwinEchoXVI 6.2.2025. 21:57
Humans are trans-humanized in the film universe. Contacts on their bodies have certain functions. And before that no One went past the other choice. Machines has their own interest. It's in their own interest to end conflict. And the fact that human came to them to negotiate (previously they never did) also attributed to the peace deal. And how Architect reacted with "Who do you think I am? Human?" on Oracle question about promise of peace implies that machines will keep their part of the deal. A lot of stuff makes more sense after watching The Animatrix anthology.
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Also I think the flying part in the Neo Vs Smith fight was unnecessary. What needed to be shown was Neo’s determination to keep fighting because it’s a choice he makes and to make Smith feel like he’s winning and gaining the upper hand. Also Neo realizing what is needed to beat Smith and it’s not his determination to live that will accomplish it. While it is grand in that it’s a battle for the lives within The Matrix itself and Zion, the grandiose and self-indulgence of it almost feels like it’s for Smith’s benefit.
EdwinEchoXVI 6.2.2025. 21:57
Agreed. Final fight was underwhelming.
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Definitely agreed with the siege and the final fight, couldn't wait for those to be over.
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Definitely agreed with the siege and the final fight, couldn't wait for those to be over.
Mobfighter 6.2.2025. 22:16
I liked it overall, but it was too long. I think it probably should have been wrapped up soon after Smith drew first blood. All that was really needed after getting out of that building was for Smith to knock Neo to the ground and exhaust his energy like he did 2-3 minutes later.
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Smith needs to think he's winning that's one of the points of it I say.
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Humans are trans-humanized in the film universe. Contacts on their bodies have certain functions. And before that no One went past the other choice. Machines has their own interest. It's in their own interest to end conflict. And the fact that human came to them to negotiate (previously they never did) also attributed to the peace deal. And how Architect reacted with "Who do you think I am? Human?" on Oracle question about promise of peace implies that machines will keep their part of the deal. A lot of stuff makes more sense after watching The Animatrix anthology.
Mobfighter 6.2.2025. 22:19
Is the answer implied in Revolutions? I don't want to use side material to explain that stuff. I know that Neo is now connected to the source but that's pretty ridiculous. It shouldn't be that vague.
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The Animatrix is pretty essential in tying things together. Definitely think runtime could have been better spent in Revolutions. But even with all the supplemental material there are things that aren't spelled out, but just alluded to or suggested. Some open to interpretation.
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Neomatrixology has a video that touches on this, because this is what gave rise to the 'matrix within a matrix' theory, it's a good watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exv5p3cYOUA
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The Animatrix is pretty essential in tying things together. Definitely think runtime could have been better spent in Revolutions. But even with all the supplemental material there are things that aren't spelled out, but just alluded to or suggested. Some open to interpretation.
Mobfighter 6.2.2025. 23:53
That's a shame. I actually enjoyed Matrix Reloaded and thought it was about decent despite its weird structure and perhaps having a bit too much action. I think it had a lot to say about The Matrix and touched on several philosophical concepts. As for Revolutions; from what I remember you might as well have added 40-45 minutes onto Reloaded because I think that there was a lot of stuff that didn't happen in that movie that could've. (edited)
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From what I remember, after Neo gets out of the space in-between realities, talks with the heads of Zion, with Smith absorbing the Oracle and Neo heading to Machine City, what else happens?
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The issue for most is always Zion and its importance to the film. For a viewer we have very little interaction within the city, we have almost zero reason to care about anyone there, and our heroes only through line of attachment is Link and Zee. The films don’t give us any reason beyond just the significance of it to humans in general and very few characters to even like in the city. Lock is a hardass who bucks heads with fan favorite Morpheus. Kid is annoying and even our hero Neo is kinda put off by him. And then we have Link who just showed up and is supposed to be the connection I guess but Zee isn’t that interesting and also bucks heads with our protagonist mission. Morpheus cares about Zion but that never comes out in the film to enough of a degree that people might share his love. And Neo is entirely disinterested in the city and is running away from it just to be with Trinity. It’s a very awkward connection the viewer might have. So when the third film dedicates a lot of time with a battle happening in there it’s hard to really root for anyone beyond “go humans”.
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 0:26
Right, and because we dedicate a lot of time to this battle that doesn't really matter all that much in the first place, it feels like filler. Could've shown bits of the battle here and there but if it's just gonna be a bunch of humans shooting at machines with their guns then that gets boring. (edited)
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I get why it’s there. Zion is important in the narrative and NOT showing its final siege that the sequels have been building to would be a huge omission. The failure though is in establishing for the viewer that sense of importance and a connection to the people. Too much time giving us reasons to not like the city. Too many character we care about being entirely absent in the battle until its end. The dance scene I think is the Wachowskis trying to make that connection but if you just compare the idea to stuff they did in Sense 8 you can tell they weren’t sure how to go about it properly to get that human connection across just yet.
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 0:35
Yeah
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I never rewatch the matrix sequels
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 0:42
Did the second one ruin things that bad for you? Jeez.
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Yeah honestly lol
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For me it ends at the first one
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2 has its moments but overall I just see it as a lesser version of the first one that actively hurts the mythology
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I saw matrix 3 once and never had the desire to rewatch
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2 I’ve only seen twice
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I still need to watch animatrix
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:17
You thought the lore the Oracle, Merovingian section, and the Architect added ruined the lore?
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Yes
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I don’t think they’re good additions
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I think they take away more than add anything
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If you like them that’s fine
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:18
You didn't like that it turns out that The One is an anomaly that the machines exploit as just another system of control?
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Nah it just felt like a retcon
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And retcons can be fine if they feel natural but that felt forced to me
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It felt like a retcon which is never a good thing imo
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:20
It probably is, but I think there is such thing as a good retcon (when something is recontextualized in a way that strengthens the material)
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Well ya I said exactly that
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I just don’t think it’s a good retcon
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:21
Just curious. What does it take away to where it's unacceptable?
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It just felt like an asspull to me
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:21
Ah alright
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Did you watch matrix 4
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Also for the record I still think matrix 2 is a slightly above average blockbuster, I just don’t really think it should exist
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:23
I personally found a bunch of that lore stuff real interesting in Reloaded but then in Revolutions they abandon a lot of it. I felt like there was a lot of potential of to what could've been explored, but the most we got was Neo meeting the programs that developed feelings or some sort of care in a realm in-between the Matrix.
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Fair enough
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Did you watch matrix 4
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:24
Yes, I didn't like it outside of the meta commentary. It really was pretty much just a soft reboot.
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I didn’t watch it but
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The meta commentary seems insufferable lol
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Like name dropping warner bros in the movie
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:25
Yeah, it was humorous how blunt it was.
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Metalogic 7.2.2025. 1:26
I still say Matrix: Resurrection was hot garbage. The only redeeming aspect was the soundtrack
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Oh was the soundtrack good
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Metalogic 7.2.2025. 1:27
I enjoyed it
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I’ve never heard anyone bring it up
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I still say Matrix: Resurrection was hot garbage. The only redeeming aspect was the soundtrack
Just the licensed music or the score too?
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Metalogic 7.2.2025. 1:28
The score
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Resurrection looks worse than 2
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All the R titles get me confused sometimes
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It seems to be the black sheep of the quadrilogy
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Metalogic 7.2.2025. 1:30
I enjoyed Reloaded more than Revolution. It deepen The Matrix Universe's lore. Revolution was more of a typical action movie.
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The thing about reloaded for me is that it still has some of that residue of the first movie bleeding over to where I can’t “despise” it
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In terms of like the style
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There’s like a novelty to just being in that world again with those characters even if I didn’t love what it did with them
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:34
That's the thing about Revolutions I believe. After Neo gets out, it soon feels like you're just waiting for the final confrontation, even though there was all this time they had to do all things other things to expand on stuff the second one setup. (edited)
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That's the thing about Revolutions I believe. After Neo gets out, it soon feels like you're just waiting for the final confrontation, even though there was all this time they had to do all things other things to expand on stuff the second one setup. (edited)
What would you rate #3 from 1-10
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Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 1:47
It's been a good while, idk.
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Reloaded is AWESOME
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The highway chase is one of my fav scenes of all time
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Revolutions was good, but not as much as Reloaded. Zion fight was cool n stuff. Meroviginian club is prob my fav in that movie, not as good action though.
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I saw Resurrections day 1 and I wanted to cry
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Ya the highway scene is awesome
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And the fight before that with neo
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Revolutions was good, but not as much as Reloaded. Zion fight was cool n stuff. Meroviginian club is prob my fav in that movie, not as good action though.
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 2:54
It would be interesting to hear a defense of it. What do you have to say about Revolutions?
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And the fight before that with neo
Me and my friends bring that one up all the time lol
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Mobfighter
It would be interesting to hear a defense of it. What do you have to say about Revolutions?
Really all I said in my post. I actually like the lore expansion with the oracle, architect, terminal station and all that. Smith in the real world was interesting, and that fight with him against Neo and Trinity was sick. I think it's a nice ending to the trilogy, but def the weakest out the 3
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I wasn't a fan of the soundtrack as much, except the ending song. Reloaded's soundtrack was good but Mona Lisa Overdrive really carried it (and it's named after an awesome book)
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The Burly Brawl music is not great
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The Don Davis score for both movies is pretty good (edited)
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I was a bit surprised he didn’t come back for the fourth one but I guess Lana really wanted new blood
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Is the answer implied in Revolutions? I don't want to use side material to explain that stuff. I know that Neo is now connected to the source but that's pretty ridiculous. It shouldn't be that vague.
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 21:59
Short version: Wachowskis went with trans-media approach when they made Reloaded and Revolutions. Different pieces of media (comics, game and animated anthology) are all connect into one overarching narrative. That's, actually, why second and third film were mostly criticized, since without that stuff narrative felt convoluted and poorly thought out. It's by whole design. This kind of thing rarely used even today. There was Swordquest in the 80's by Atari and Japanese .hack franchise a year prior Reloaded. Defiance series from SyFy tried the same thing. (edited)
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Lucas did it
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The prequels have a lot of trans media stuff
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Kinda
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Hell, even the old trilogy
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It was never canon to the movies
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Ouranos
Lucas did it
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:02
I'm talking about things that made up that way from ground-up. Star Wars wasn't like that.
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Yeah Star Wars was more about filling out the blanks before/if Lucas make it canon
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But Attack of the Clones had like 8 video games
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It was insane when you think about it
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That is crazy
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8 video games
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Phantom Menace had a bit less
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Ouranos
But Attack of the Clones had like 8 video games
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:04
But again: there were retcons. Whole books were discarded due to Clone Wars series.
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With Attack of the Clones George went crazy with the games
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Love the original clone wars
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It’s easy to make games when you own the game company
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Cgi one I can do without
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Ouranos
It’s easy to make games when you own the game company
8 for 1 movie is still insane lmfao
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Master
Love the original clone wars
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:05
Tartakovsky's, you mean?
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The Clone Wars is also a good exemple of the cross media George was going for
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No matter which way you slice it
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Both of the versions
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Tartakovsky's, you mean?
Ya
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Ya
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:05
That one also was discarded by new series.
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But it looked dope
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EdwinEchoXVI
That one also was discarded by new series.
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And Grevious was scary!
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Which is not the case in the rest
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Ouranos
But it looked dope
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:06
Yeah, Tartakovsky knows how to animate.
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But yeah the Filoni stuff canceled the other show
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Ouranos
Which is not the case in the rest
Ya he’s just a braindead action figure that runs the whole time in 3
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Not a big Filoni fan myself
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Glad people are finally starting to realize how much of a hack filoni is
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A shame he got promoted recently
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The Matrix had one big thing: mostly everything was written by the two same people
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Glad people are finally starting to realize how much of a hack filoni is
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:07
He had the potential, but blew it for a check.
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Or at least very supervised
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Must have been some very tiring few years for the Ws when they made the two sequels
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He had the potential, but blew it for a check.
There’s an entire fucking episode of mando in season 1 that’s just them going “remember the lars homestead? Remember the cantina? Remember mos eisley?”
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Ya I remember. I’ve seen the movie dawg
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Directed by the man himself (edited)
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Ouranos
The Matrix had one big thing: mostly everything was written by the two same people
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:09
True. Of all side-media in SW, only The New Jedi Order book series comes to mind where all writers were assembled and supervised who writes what to make things consistent.
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Ouranos
Must have been some very tiring few years for the Ws when they made the two sequels
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:11
Well, they were asking for it. I didn't see 'em complaining, at least. Called nails and hammered themselves in.
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Yeah let’s just do everything all at once
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EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:11
At least some integrity there.
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I always wondered
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What if they just decided to make a Matrix movie every 3 to 5 years
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Instead of making two at the same time and crash into the sun
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Ouranos
What if they just decided to make a Matrix movie every 3 to 5 years
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:12
It would've ran out it's course.
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Instead of making two at the same time and crash into the sun
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:13
Silver gave 'em cart blanche and they used it to the fullest while available. (edited)
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Ouranos
What if they just decided to make a Matrix movie every 3 to 5 years
They can’t even pull it off every 17 years
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They made one good movie
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I’d say let it die
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I meant back in 2003
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They release Reloaded as a full movie then take 3 years to make Revolutions (edited)
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Wouldn’t change my perspective on either movie
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It worked for George! Wait no it didn’t
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Ouranos
They release Reloaded as a full movie then take 3 years to make Revolutions (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:15
Studio heads tend to change and spin. Bad experience writing Assassins was still in their memory.
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The first Matrix went through a lot of rewrites and tweaks before it reached perfection
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It took a while to fully write it and storyboard it
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I feel like the sequels should have been one sequel (edited)
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Not a trilogy or whatever
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Just see if people want more
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Ouranos
The first Matrix went through a lot of rewrites and tweaks before it reached perfection
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:16
It's one thing to compromise, another is to compromise to realize things right. And, probably, some thing were well on paper but would've been absurd in moving pictures. (edited)
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How long did they take to write the first movie?
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They started in 93 or something like that right?
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Then they wrote two movies in a year
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Building a Time Machine to kill Joel Silver
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Ouranos
The prequels have a lot of trans media stuff
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:21
In the sense of giving the opportunity for authors and creatives to add to the lore of the Prequel Era during that time yeah. I don't think they are necessary to understanding the movies though. Lucas's involvement in the old EU heavily varied, a lot of it were authors adding their own take on things while trying to be generally consistent.
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Building a Time Machine to kill Joel Silver
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:22
Why? He got their backs after Assassins and managed to push for smaller project they wanted to make so they can prove their skill-set. (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI
Short version: Wachowskis went with trans-media approach when they made Reloaded and Revolutions. Different pieces of media (comics, game and animated anthology) are all connect into one overarching narrative. That's, actually, why second and third film were mostly criticized, since without that stuff narrative felt convoluted and poorly thought out. It's by whole design. This kind of thing rarely used even today. There was Swordquest in the 80's by Atari and Japanese .hack franchise a year prior Reloaded. Defiance series from SyFy tried the same thing. (edited)
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:23
If that's intentional then that's quite an odd way of going about it.
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Mobfighter
If that's intentional then that's quite an odd way of going about it.
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:23
Yep. It is.
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EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:34
Hence why that approach is rarely used. Hard to split stuff in a way that won't create too big holes to fill. One of the another examples: Japanese singer Gackt. He created concept called Moon Saga, which included 4 albums, radio-plays, a movie, a book and two stage plays. However, every piece, while had overarching narrative, was it's own thing which didn't require all of them. It was hard sell but succeeded. Before that he went with smaller stuff of this kind called "Rebirth Saga". (edited)
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Why? He got their backs after Assassins and managed to push for smaller project they wanted to make so they can prove their skill-set. (edited)
That was a joke haha
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I like Joel he’s like if Weinstein wasn’t problematic
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80’s action wouldn’t be the same without him (edited)
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I feel like the sequels should have been one sequel (edited)
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:39
Something I noticed is that Pirates and Matrix do something similar when it comes to bringing a character back. Just vaguely hint or imply the reasoning and move on.
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It’s very rare that two movies are shot at the same time or back to back and end up good
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Kill Bill
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Back to the Future is a mixed bag
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Something I noticed is that Pirates and Matrix do something similar when it comes to bringing a character back. Just vaguely hint or imply the reasoning and move on.
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:41
I like the two Pirates sequels that form a trilogy a lot more than The Matrix as a trilogy though.
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It’s very rare that two movies are shot at the same time or back to back and end up good
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:41
Yeah.
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Avengers 3 and 4 were shot back to back so it depends if you like those or not but I guess they managed to do it
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Ouranos
It’s very rare that two movies are shot at the same time or back to back and end up good
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But what about three?
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Haha these are an entire other story
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They’re in their own category
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Lotr is one of the handful of trilogies I like
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Haha these are an entire other story
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:43
Now when it comes to The Hobbit in particular, they were funded back to back but production didn't start back to back right?
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The Hobbit was supposed to be two movies
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Then it was decided pretty late that it would be a trilogy
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Ouranos
Avengers 3 and 4 were shot back to back so it depends if you like those or not but I guess they managed to do it
Well it’s a lot easier to do that when you’ve been making the same movie for 10 years
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There’s no risk
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I like Joel he’s like if Weinstein wasn’t problematic
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:44
He's the only one who also managed to get along with Sly, who was known to be quite stubborn and got Seagal to get his shit together... even if it was only for one movie. And he did helped out to Wachowskis up to Ninja Assassin. (edited)
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Just take the pre existing template but shoot it back to back
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Well it’s a lot easier to do that when you’ve been making the same movie for 10 years
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:46
In case of Reloaded and Revolutions - it's unique in its own way due to whole "trans-media" specific. (edited)
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Ouranos
Then it was decided pretty late that it would be a trilogy
Mobfighter 7.2.2025. 22:46
That definitely explains the bloat and feeling of being dragged out then.
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In case of Reloaded and Revolutions - it's unique in its own way due to whole "trans-media" specific. (edited)
The possessive version of it, is its. It’s, is a contraction for it is
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No offense
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And I haven’t bothered with any of the outside matrix media
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And I haven’t bothered with any of the outside matrix media
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:51
Neither am I. I played only Enter the Matrix. Other stuff I picked up in summaries.
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And never read comics.
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No offense
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 22:53
Being second lingo of mine it comes at a price of this kind. None taken.
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Ur English is otherwise good, so I just assumed you were fluent
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I see a lot of native speakers make the mistake it’s just a pet peeve
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Ouranos
Building a Time Machine to kill Joel Silver
But then who would say 'Rabbit gets clunked, rabbits sees stars! Not birds, STARS!'
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bitbomb
But then who would say 'Rabbit gets clunked, rabbits sees stars! Not birds, STARS!'
EdwinEchoXVI 7.2.2025. 23:03
"We all know how deep rabbit hole goes... because it's abyss in disguise." (edited)
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But then who would say 'Rabbit gets clunked, rabbits sees stars! Not birds, STARS!'
That movie is perfect
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It’s funny that both Rick McCallum and Joel Silver just bailed to Eastern Europe after their respective trilogies were done
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It’s so dense, every single image has so many things going on
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It’s funny that both Rick McCallum and Joel Silver just bailed to Eastern Europe after their respective trilogies were done
EdwinEchoXVI 8.2.2025. 0:00
Eh... what?
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Don’t they both produce movies in Eastern Europe or am I confusing with other producers
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Ok I checked and only McCallum did!
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Joel is not having a great late career though
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Apparently he got fired because of verbal abuse to the crew
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Bullying and such
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Bullying and such
EdwinEchoXVI 8.2.2025. 9:10
Considering it's Amazon, no surprise here. He's far from being a yes-man when it came to questionable decisions.
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And Amazon is full of "safe space junkies".
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I mean, getting rid of someone because he’s being a dick to everyone is something any company should do
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I mean, getting rid of someone because he’s being a dick to everyone is something any company should do
EdwinEchoXVI 8.2.2025. 20:00
I think it was more about cold relations between him and Katz. As for Amazon - it's hard to say. Not playing devil's advocate here, but I've learned that "verbal abuse claims" nowadays are not credible enough without proof.
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P.S. Come to think of it: all the live action footage for Enter the Matrix is not available in HD, apparently. Which is sad.
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P.S. Come to think of it: all the live action footage for Enter the Matrix is not available in HD, apparently. Which is sad.
Sadly, I don’t think it will ever happen
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Sadly, I don’t think it will ever happen
EdwinEchoXVI 8.2.2025. 21:26
Ripping it from PS2 remains the only way, unfortunately.
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Maybe a fan will clean it or something. I don’t know much about this
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Ripping it from PS2 remains the only way, unfortunately.
Are you saying the live action footage is HD on the ps2 disk itself?
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Because I doubt that
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Are you saying the live action footage is HD on the ps2 disk itself?
EdwinEchoXVI 12.2.2025. 8:27
No. On Xbox, GameCube and PC cut-scenes were compressed by DivX and have a compressed audio, while PS2 were compressed by MPEG-2 and have PCM audio. And it was progressive video. The closest to DVD quality. (edited)
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Ok yea that's what I thought
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Dogwithashotgun 18.2.2025. 12:21
Just rewatched revolutions
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I always love that part, half because it's so aesthetically pleasing and the other half because when Bane!Smith says "It's not over, Mr. Anderson" while we're being shown that version of Smith's true appearance you can really hear Ian Bliss's spot-on Hugo Weaving impression in his voice and it pairs wonderfully with that true appearance of Smith's.
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Ian Bliss appeared in Late Night with the Devil not long ago (edited)
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First time I see him in anything since Revolutions
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Not sure why I'm getting The Prisoner vibes from this shot
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Same. Must be the costume
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Well, that chip commercial was awesome
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Late Night with the Devil is a 2023 supernatural horror film written, directed, and edited by Colin and Cameron Cairnes. It stars David Dastmalchian, Laura Gordon, Ian Bliss, Fayssal Bazzi, Ingrid Torelli, Rhys Auteri, Georgina Haig, and Josh Quong Tart. Incorporating elements of "found footage" and documentary filmmaking, the film follows the e...
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It’s this movie
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Any good? I've never seen Ian Bliss in anything before or since his role as Bane, I'd be interested to check it out (edited)
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I liked it but I also know friends who didn’t like it so I can’t really help on that one it’s divisive
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Check it out, it might be your cup of tea too
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Oh hey, it's on Hulu, AMC+ and Shudder (and for rent on several other services). For some reason I thought it'd be tough to find.
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He was on Heartbreak High like a lot of the Australian cast members
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That show was huge in France in the 90’s
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But it never made it big in the US
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Wow, wearing a smile he looks like a completely different guy
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And the hair
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Just rewatched revolutions
Revolutions is IMO weakest out of the 3 but the cover is the best
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So freaking cool...
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Joshua007 24.2.2025. 9:40
oh yeah the cover is damn fucking good!
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They all go pretty hard
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And then some idiot said just slap all four together for the DvD cover. 😭
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These are basically the only promotional posters or photos of Revolutions
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The entire promotional budget went into Reloaded
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Like compare it to Resurrections
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I'd love to grab a poster for the original but are there only the two? The DVD cover style and the one other version?
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I love the code rain one for Revolutions but it'd be nice to represent my favorite of the... Quadrilogy? Trilogy+1?
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I think that’s it
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Wait, that last one was official?
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That looks like it was made way later
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I think so
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It was made during Reloaded era
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Metropolis vibes bigtime
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im doing a puzzle of that second one rn
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Reloaded has a ton of posters
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All the ones with the white background
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Not super into that one, looks like it's from 1993 (and direct to video) when the film was way ahead of its time (edited)
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Made for Blu-ray
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The weirdest one: (edited)
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My name is Archie. I created the Matrix. It proved itself difficult to construct the functionalities together. But some Smith went terribly wrong. And now I can't do anything but help this stupid One. (edited)
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They really shoulda put him in a track suit for this one
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EdwinEchoXVI 25.2.2025. 0:18
That one was frequent on first VHS releases. European ones, at least.
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That makes sense (edited)
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That makes sense (edited)
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The Twins look like they're presenting him à la the Will Smith meme.
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The Gremlin Guy Returns 6.3.2025. 11:46
So uh, I rewatched the quadrilogy these past few weeks, and I must say:
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My ★★★★★ review of The Matrix Resurrections on Letterboxd https://boxd.it/91y8MB
Holy fucking shit. Mastapiece! Genuinely the best and smartest movie to have come out of the legacy sequel craze. I loved it. People can shit on it all they want, but in all honesty, they don't fully get what it's going for. Neo is back in the Matrix, and so is Trinity, but why? This doesn't look like the simulation we know! Where did all the gr...
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I loved Resurrections.
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THANK YOU!!!! I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL. ITS PERFECT (edited)
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Just re-watched all four over the past 3 or 4 nights as well. Absolute cinema at its peak from the first to the 4th.
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it's the blue pills that didn't like the movie. They are the watchers of action, and fighting and guns. Their brains can't comprehend the inner detail of what makes all 4 of them so flawless to us that are passionate of this world that the Wachowskis created and clearly continue to honor for us true fans. (edited)
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You can like a movie without kicking on people who didn’t like it (edited)
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And that works in the opposite way too
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I don’t think Res was perfect but I really liked what it was trying to do and am glad to see it’s finding a niche following now
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That being said I can also understand why someone might not like it. That doesn’t make them a fake fan or whatever
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We all love different things about these movies
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That being said I can also understand why someone might not like it. That doesn’t make them a fake fan or whatever
Definitely didn't mean for it to come off as me implying a "fake fan", I just mean that they aren't in for the "rabbit hole" so to speak, they're in it for the big budget action. that's all. a lot of us resignate with Res because of the beautiful seamlessness of the continuation from Revolutions ending.
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My ★★★★★ review of The Matrix Resurrections on Letterboxd https://boxd.it/91y8MB
great review by the way. well said in every way.
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Definitely didn't mean for it to come off as me implying a "fake fan", I just mean that they aren't in for the "rabbit hole" so to speak, they're in it for the big budget action. that's all. a lot of us resignate with Res because of the beautiful seamlessness of the continuation from Revolutions ending.
The movie had a big budget, 200M. It's not like it's an indy movie
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The movie had a big budget, 200M. It's not like it's an indy movie
Still missing my point
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That being said I can also understand why someone might not like it. That doesn’t make them a fake fan or whatever
The Gremlin Guy Returns 6.3.2025. 18:43
I can see it too, although I do bash them a bit there. I just find it funny that the movie is right about people rather wanting to 'consume' something soulless that merely recycles what came before instead of actually having something to say made by artists who put to their own lived experiences and beliefs in their work. What I mean is that this flopped while the antithesis to it, Spider-Man: No Way Home, became a huge hit. (edited)
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I can see it too, although I do bash them a bit there. I just find it funny that the movie is right about people rather wanting to 'consume' something soulless that merely recycles what came before instead of actually having something to say made by artists who put to their own lived experiences and beliefs in their work. What I mean is that this flopped while the antithesis to it, Spider-Man: No Way Home, became a huge hit. (edited)
I also think a lot of the “flop” numbers globally came from a lot of piracy. Whether they would’ve broke even, we’ll never know. But I think a lot of people just pirated the movie. Releasing for digital platforms simultaneously wasn’t the move in my opinion. Force people to go see it and pay for a ticket
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there a few reasons it flopped:
  • around COVID
  • Spidey came out a week before
  • it was put on HBOMax at the same time it came out in theaters
  • the previous movie also flopped
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it's not like the Matrix IP was strong and Spidey killed it. Warner is the one to blame.
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The Gremlin Guy Returns 6.3.2025. 19:05
All of them true.
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There's also the less than stellar critical and audience reception.
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I would argue the critics were more divided than anything, unlike Revolutions where they all hated it
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I know that in my coutry the movie was liked by a lot of critics
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(me included)
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The Gremlin Guy Returns 6.3.2025. 19:33
True
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The audience is more important in regards to actual cultural relevance, and oh boy, did so many people hate on it.
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how people who correct quadrilogy with tetralogy sound like
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The Gremlin Guy Returns 7.3.2025. 0:41
Apparently, both is good. (edited)
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there a few reasons it flopped:
  • around COVID
  • Spidey came out a week before
  • it was put on HBOMax at the same time it came out in theaters
  • the previous movie also flopped
EdwinEchoXVI 7.3.2025. 6:00
I have a hard time to believe that it made the huge financial impact on HBOMax. (edited)
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Yeah that’s what I’m saying
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We all love different things about these movies
You are too reasonable for the internet.
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how come the first movie was rated R?
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no f-bombs, no nudity, no gore
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no f-bombs, no nudity, no gore
applenewton39 13.3.2025. 0:12
Have you forgotten the desert of the real scene? The waking up from pod scene? It literally shows a tiny baby attached to a bunch of robot tubes and it’s being fed liquified humans
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I always thought it was weird that nobody ever says fuck in this R rated movie haha (edited)
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Wait
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Wake Up by Rage Against the Machine is packed with fucks
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The lobby scene alone earns it an R rating. For context this is a shootout in a pg13 movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vetKTtM7YyU
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And on the topic of F-bombs. The script has so many it’s kinda impressive none of them showed up in the film. “Dodge this motherfucker!” was the full line and dropping that last word does wonders for the final product.
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Man, that's night and day. 'Dodge this, motherfucker' makes Trinity sound like a cheesy action hero instead of the 'cool under pressure' character she is. (edited)
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In none of these examples is the scene made better with the inclusion lol On a quick glance it looks like they all got taken out in 98 during filming. At least 13 in the 97 script
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thank God they were taken out. It would've made so many scenes cheesy and laughable. It was done the right way.
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And on the topic of F-bombs. The script has so many it’s kinda impressive none of them showed up in the film. “Dodge this motherfucker!” was the full line and dropping that last word does wonders for the final product.
EdwinEchoXVI 13.3.2025. 23:00
Sounds like Busta Rhymes in Halloween: Resurrection.
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"Trick or treat, mother..." you'll get the rest. (edited)
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A redditor discovered that one of his friends owns Neo’s pod
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Wants to turn it into a fish tank
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Nah, gotta turn it into one of those sensory deprevation tanks and charge people to use it!
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Leaving that out in the open exposed to the elements is certainly a choice. Shits fucked.
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The "Joker" production company cited continued fallout from a dispute with WB over the release of "The Matrix Resurrections" on Max
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Why is Screenrant obsessed with clickbait articles about Resurrections?
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Why is Screenrant obsessed with clickbait articles about Resurrections?
Because people click on them
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Do they?
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Yes
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If some people are willing to doomscroll Instagram feeds, some are going to be willing to click anything written by GR/SR (edited)
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Someone took both pills again lol
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What’s funny is that these articles exist yet they’re never shared here or on the matrix subreddit
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Like the entire fandom ignores them… so I wonder who’s clicking
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Someone took both pills again lol
I was hungry 😠
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22 year old debate “Neo's status as the One has garnered a lot of attention over the years, and The Matrix 5 could clarify if the status was in effect all the time or not.” lol wut? No this isn’t a question anyone has ever asked and was answered in the first movie.
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Is Neo an anagram for One? More on this at 8.
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“Sci-fi action hero Neo became a cult hit in the Wachowskis masterpiece The Matrix released in 1999. But 25 years later fans are just now beginning to unwrap the layers of symbolism spread throughout the movie. The protagonist name for example, “Neo” is Greek for the word “new” a clever meta commentary on the the revolution about to overtake Hollywood cinema’s approach to the action genre. But sharp eyed fans have also noticed a second meaning hidden in the name. If you rearrange the letters of his name you can make the word “One”, foreshadowing to the characters role as being the savior of mankind a prophesied messiah that Morpheus (the wised old mentor of our hero) believes Neo to be. It’s remarkable how even 25 years later new details have emerged giving fans always something fun to find and give news ways to see this blockbuster cult classic” (edited)
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Like the entire fandom ignores them… so I wonder who’s clicking
𝐁𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐬 1.4.2025. 6:07
Me unfortunately
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I js wanna see what these people have to say
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but then it's the same schlopp
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Why is Screenrant obsessed with clickbait articles about Resurrections?
EdwinEchoXVI 2.4.2025. 0:59
All portals of this network are obsessed with clickbait articles about nothing, sadly.
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CBR, Gamerant… all of them.
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VFX artist Lyndon Barrois, Sr. joins to discuss the behind-the-scenes making of the trilogy, 'Cloud Atlas,' AI, and more.
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I spent five hours in a library reading the actual script for Matrix Resurrections. AMA
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Anything important missing from the movie?
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Was it clearly written with Hugo as Smith in mind?
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Is there a big difference in writing style compared to the trilogy?
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Since not only Lilly isn’t there but also there is another writer
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I’m 99% sure there is an AI running a Matrix Explained YouTube channel
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No deleted scenes. Theres a number of cut lines during every big exposition moment though. Usually about one or two sections that all look like they were cut down for length. There are also a ton of flash cuts. Pretty much any moment you saw in M4 that hinted at the trilogy had that reference in there to be spliced in. script looks like it was written for Groff not Hugo. I think Hugo would have just been a cameo if Lana brought him on. Script reads like Lana wrote most of it. The action in the movie isn’t as detailed as the other three scripts though. (edited)
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Yeah she clearly is way more into improvising when it comes to directing nowadays
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Especially compared to her control freak days
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Interesting about Smith
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I wonder how his cameo would have turned out
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The fight on the train did have a few bits written for it but none of them appeared in film when detailed. So that train sequence is all done after script on set
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I wonder how his cameo would have turned out
I’m going to assume a lot like Neo and a trinity’s fake DSI images. Hints that he’s there but he isn’t
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Yeah like a reflection of Hugo
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Oh fun thing. The fight in the cafe had Trinity beating the shit out of her kids lol (edited)
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Damn I would have loved to see that
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Are the agents in the cafe ever explained? It’s the only time we see some outside of the modal (edited)
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Its weird. Like they are mentioned. “Agents do X” and are present. They were also mentioned in the attack on DEM games as being there and Neo freaks out for a second when he sees them
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Sorry if it’s too many questions haha but was Niobe always the one still alive or was it ever somebody else? Does the script explain how Sati disguised herself as the oracle more?
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Niobe is the only one alive. Only one mentioned. Oh and she’s 100% in a relationship with Freya. Few cut moments of those two.
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Yeah that makes sense
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Nothing on Sati. Just the explanation given in the film.
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Dad gave her the plans, she fled to the Matrix been in hiding. She does say she was watching Neo and waiting for him and Trinity to start showing signs they wanted out
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The references to Warner (like Bugs or Smith’s monologue) are in the original script or added later?
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They’re in the script. Word for word what Smith says (edited)
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So it’s not a last minute thing to “ruin the movie”
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Like some said
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Where do you live? I never thought of going to the library for Matrix goodies but next time I’m in LA I might do that
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Louisiana. Took a trip here just to read it lol. (edited)
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The White Rabbit scene is the same too?
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I also always wondered how the whole trilogy of video games with cinematics that looks just like the movies work (edited)
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Yes but the dialogue is pretty different. I actually wrote it all down. Will transcribe it when I get a moment once I’m back home
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Nice, thanks for going on a mission like that
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Like it’s the same message pretty much but it’s been reworked for filming. Also the “Catrix” scene that’s at the end is in the montage moments (edited)
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Lana decided to make fun of post credits with that one
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Here are all the concept arts from Resurrections I could find if you’re interested
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Not a lot sadly
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There’s also a bit where when Neo and Trinity take the red pill again the film cuts to a code view and they both shine with the golden light.
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The golden code appears on the rooftop later on so it still made it into the movie
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Also in the titles at the beginning
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Rising golden code
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Right but this is more like what happens to Neo at the end of Revolutions I mean
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Or like your picture
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Yes! But it’s not described like it was in reloaded for that
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Oh you might appreaciate these bits. Here's the Merv's dialogue. copied it word for word space for space from the script. "Merovingian: You… YOU ruined everything! Everything was better before you! Everysuckmysilkyassthing! We had grace! Style! We had conversations! Not this— <mimics texting> We went out to dinner! Not Couchflixeatmycoldfires! We had ACTUAL sex! OhPersephonepoodle- princessImissyou. Art, film, books were all better! ORIGINALITY MATTERED! YOU ruined all of it! You gave us FaceZuckersuck and Instapop iSpyTubeholeViralClimateSextingPanopitCockmeWikiPissShit!!!
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Merovingian: I spit on you! <French Cruses>I will be back! I will Reboot! I will sequelfranchisespinoff! This is not over! <French cursing> I wipe my ass in your general direction! (edited)
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Interesting that the text is in the script even though most of it was improvised by Lambert
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Also the Python reference haha
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I don’t remember if it’s in the movie because I hate this entire scene
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He also mentions Persephone which isn’t in the film
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Merv forever a Wife Guy
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Did she leave him?
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Doesn’t say. My assumption is she died in the purge but no one except Rama Kandra is ever named as dying that way
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I don’t understand why regular dressed and shaved exiles would hang out with a hobo
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We can guess that at least The Oracle and Seraph died during the purge (edited)
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And probably most of Merv’s forces
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But I bet the Trainman is alive and that’s why Merv looks like him: he’s a subway homeless now
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Lana ended the trilogy with the exiles smiling at the sun only to kill them off screen in the next one
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My read is that the end of Rev was conclusive but when Morpheus decided to just ignore the Oracle warning about a new threat it all fell apart. The peace Neo made ended and because they could not come together again to defend it there were consequences.
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Oh, and I forgot one thing. Bug’s pilot “Hanno” is mentioned to have survived the siege of Zion in the script. So that’s technically another person with Niobe from that era still alive (edited)
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What's the timeline post-Rev?
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Same as it’s said. 60 years
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  • Exiles and humans start working together
  • A lot of redpills are freed which leads to the Machines losing power
  • Machine Civil War
  • Morpheus ignores the Oracle and refuses to work with exiles (?)
  • Some humans split from Zion and go live with exiles
  • Architect is deleted and replaced with the Analyst
  • New Matrix is put into place
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Something like that?
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also Zion gets detroyed and Morpheus dies somewhere in the middle
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So cut detail is what leads to the power scarcity is something called “pod-rot” no explanation of what this is. But yeah that looks right but I don’t know what the timing is for IO’s creation from Zion’s destruction.
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I bet we can work the MxO storyline into that
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just needs a few changes here and there
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lol I’d rather not
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Haha
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As much as I enjoyed live events, Chadwick’s writing wasn’t always the best
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We got like 2 years of Anome
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I much prefer what we learn from Resurrections for the most parts
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Morpheus getting killed by a bunch of flies at the beginning of the movie would have been a trip though
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MxO has its charms and its interesting moments. Will always be an important part of my life and a time I look back on fondly. But I’m happy keeping it all to itself and not trying to create a wider franchise with it. GamiSB does not need to be part of the Matrix canon. (edited)
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I killed an Unlimit when I was in your faction so my name is in the MxO storyline pdf
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Before my Machine turn
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Same. We also were the faction to escort Lock to nu-Zion.
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And technically Kid stole our faction name for his org :p
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Your faction is the first time I joined an English speaking team and that’s how I learned English
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Well shit you could have fooled me that you were learning it.
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Really? Rereading my screenshots from back is cringy haha
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I owe a lot to this stupid game
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Don’t we all
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Since it’s buried a bit now I spent five hours reading the script for Matrix Resurrections. AMA
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The Matrix Movie That Never Saw Daylight Zak Penn has written some of the best and well not the best movies ever put to the silver screen. You’ve of course heard of the Matrix so what if we told you the best (maybe) Matrix ever written never got made? That’s exactly what we’re telling you. Listen to the full episode now! Streaming on all...
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Zak Penn mentioning his Matrix prequel script
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It would have been about the Paradise Matrix and not about Young Morpheus like previously reported
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Doesn’t say. My assumption is she died in the purge but no one except Rama Kandra is ever named as dying that way
EdwinEchoXVI 21.4.2025. 13:41
My assumption: writers didn't care enough to give any details.
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Because the Wachowskis were famous for giving answers before that
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It would have been about the Paradise Matrix and not about Young Morpheus like previously reported
Thank god this died in the crib. I'm still not convinced this was ever really a thing and was just Penn desperately trying to sell something to WB (edited)
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“let’s take one sentence from an old classic and make a movie out of it”
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I see he went to the George Lucas School of Writing (edited)
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Ok to be fair so did the Wachowskis with the "I have this huge world idea but no one likes my movie let me just add some joseph campbell to the mix to spice it up"
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Also posted most of my notes on the script here for reading
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Pretty sure the White Rabbit sequence is how DOGE is run
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Reading it feels like a ketamine fever dream
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I like the wounded hand code thing (edited)
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Probably didn’t make the cut because of time
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Too bad, it would have been a good way to make the scene where Neo uses his powers more impactful (edited)
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I don’t know if I mentioned this somewhere here but the name Tiffany isn’t a random choice
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TIF means Trans Identified Female
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And it’s an expression that is still used today as a bad way to call trans women
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The psychiatrist telling Neo he’s crazy also goes in this direction
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Psychiatrists have done that for a long time
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I wonder what the pod-rot thing is
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I get that they would have empty pods but that they would rot?
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Or is pod-rot just an expression for mass awakening of redpills?
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(Sorry I’m answering here instead of Reddit it’s easier)
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What’s interesting about Niobe is that she believed in Neo but not in the whole One schtick, contrary to Morpheus and Kid for exemple, so it makes sense that she would be the one to leave Zion because everybody was too zealous to see the truth
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I like the added bit with Smith being mad that he was forced to be a human
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So Johnson is still an agent? I thought he would be an exile
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'Well what are you then?' "I'm French! Why do you think I have this outrrrrrrrageous accent you silly king?!"
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I like Smith’s last line with Tom better than Mr. Anderson
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Well that was a good read, thanks @Gami! (edited)
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Funny how the code was supposed to be much more present
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Did they run out of budget?
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The wounded hand thing is great and I wish it stayed. I love the visual of Neo looking through the hole and seeing the code again. Also plays into the Jesus connection. But it's 100% a budget thing because that's defiantly a lot of FX work in post to do right. Also probably messed with the pacing. Like I said few days ago the "pod-rot" isn't explained so your guess is as good as any. IMO I don't think it's related to mass awakenings. I think the age of the whole pod system is just catching up to the machines so they panic, start fighting each other, and the Analyst comes up with a new system that isn't dependent on billions to supply energy just Neo and Trinity. I believe Johnson is an exile. He's just named "Agent Johnson" so everyone recognizes who he is. There's no mention of Agents finding the fight or bots showing up. Granted there's no mention of Johnson either until that line and three lines later he's dead lol. Just shows up, sees Morpheus, fights, gets smoked by Lexy and Berg. The rewrite on Smith's last words is so much better. COVID sucked up a lot of the budget. But M2&3 also ran into this issue where there were a lot more code sections and flash cuts that didn't make it film or past the editing room. (edited)
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Apparently, Groff added a lot of different vibes to his character so I wouldn't be surprised if the Tom thing was his idea (edited)
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We still don't know if Tom Hardy is in the movie or not
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Wasn't the rumor that it was just a cameo during the zombie run?
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Yeah he’s an extra in an outside scene in SF
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So it would make sense that it’s the zombie one (edited)
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We just don’t know if we can see him in the scene or not (if he’s actually in the final movie) (edited)
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Was it clearly written with Hugo as Smith in mind?
Mod on r/matrix with a few connections said Weaving was in script reads early into production. So it sounds like Smith was rewritten for Groff but originally Weaving was a large part of the film filling the role. Not just a cameo.
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Too bad Hugo wasn’t available
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I blame Covid schedule on that one
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Groff was great but it makes more sense if the only one with an actual new face (that we see all the time) is the Morpheus program
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Mod on r/matrix with a few connections said Weaving was in script reads early into production. So it sounds like Smith was rewritten for Groff but originally Weaving was a large part of the film filling the role. Not just a cameo.
Was the Wake Up cover at the end always part of the script?
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Was the Wake Up cover at the end always part of the script?
Not in the script.
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Too bad Hugo wasn’t available
EdwinEchoXVI 23.4.2025. 16:53
Glad he got off via excuse.
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I just found this in Matrix 1 that someone pointed out in a YouTube comment. In the closeup when Neo’s accepting the FedEx parcel, there’s an unknown hand in the bottom-left corner, and then in the next shot of his office cubicle it’s suddenly gone again.
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I just found this in Matrix 1 that someone pointed out in a YouTube comment. In the closeup when Neo’s accepting the FedEx parcel, there’s an unknown hand in the bottom-left corner, and then in the next shot of his office cubicle it’s suddenly gone again.
EdwinEchoXVI 30.4.2025. 23:24
Open Matte version. It's cropped in normal one.
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👑★ 𝕭𝖑𝖚𝖊𝕾𝖆𝖐𝖚𝖗𝖆007 ★👑
I just found this in Matrix 1 that someone pointed out in a YouTube comment. In the closeup when Neo’s accepting the FedEx parcel, there’s an unknown hand in the bottom-left corner, and then in the next shot of his office cubicle it’s suddenly gone again.
dedesigns57 4.5.2025. 7:20
the blank computer screen always gets me.
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Dude is so depressed he’s just staring at a turned off monitor
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I’ve been there
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the blank computer screen always gets me.
EdwinEchoXVI 5.5.2025. 21:46
He came straight out of boss office. Didn't turn it on.
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Metalogic 6.5.2025. 1:45
Has anyone ever figured out how old Thomas Anderson/Neo was when he took the red pill in the OG film?
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Yes but also no.
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The first film takes place between Feb 1998 to Sep 1999. In the interrogation scene with Smith and Neo the cover sheet on Neo's file lists his DoB as 11 March 1962. That interrogation happens at some point after 22 July 1998 according to the last edit at the very top. Meaning Neo's age according to Smith's records and what is shown to us on film is 36 and he is 37 by the end of the first movie. However Neo's passport has a different DoB. 13 Sep 1971. This would put Neo's age at 26 during the interrogation and 28 at the films end (final date line during the phone trace is 09-18-99). Complicating this is Enter the Matrix has a character file for Neo that lists him as being 35 however there’s no telling who wrote those. (edited)
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I share a birthday date with Neo
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It makes sense that he would Christ age
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The first film takes place between Feb 1998 to Sep 1999. In the interrogation scene with Smith and Neo the cover sheet on Neo's file lists his DoB as 11 March 1962. That interrogation happens at some point after 22 July 1998 according to the last edit at the very top. Meaning Neo's age according to Smith's records and what is shown to us on film is 36 and he is 37 by the end of the first movie. However Neo's passport has a different DoB. 13 Sep 1971. This would put Neo's age at 26 during the interrogation and 28 at the films end (final date line during the phone trace is 09-18-99). Complicating this is Enter the Matrix has a character file for Neo that lists him as being 35 however there’s no telling who wrote those. (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 7.5.2025. 12:51
All creative decisions, including writing, were on Wachowskis. Everything else was on David Perry. So, it's all on those two.
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Justarius 8.5.2025. 16:23
Hi, What is the sentence we see on the newspaper that is in the trash can which Cypher throws the cellphone into?
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Looks like 'Move your (something) to some prime real estate'
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Justarius 8.5.2025. 17:09
Thanks for the answer. I asked AI and it guessed "Move your OS(instead of saying ass)" or maybe os means one's brain. If this is the case, do you think this is a suggestion on the newspaper to citizens to seek a new awareness like getting our of matrix or maybe the opposite because Cypher is the one who encounters this newspaper?
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it's just a prop
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Ace Manilla 9.5.2025. 2:21
Welcome to the desert of the diseased
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(not what it says)
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Yall really in here going through trash smh
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Yall really in here going through trash smh
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 19.5.2025. 0:24
Finally got to see the entire trilogy on the big screen. One of the happiest moments of my life. MervCake
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35mm or 4K digital?
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Calaeus (radiofreezion.net) 19.5.2025. 1:05
4k remaster.
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4K is dope I try to always catch those viewing for the first one when they pop up in my area. But was blown away seeing Revolutions again in 35mm in LA last month.
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Most common names in US right next together:
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Most common names in US right next together:
Mr. Thomas, we've been waiting for you.
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4K is dope I try to always catch those viewing for the first one when they pop up in my area. But was blown away seeing Revolutions again in 35mm in LA last month.
EdwinEchoXVI 26.5.2025. 18:30
Blu-Ray that comes with UHD Edition based on the same new master and also looks pretty good. Worth picking up if UHD experience is not available for personal home viewing.
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P.S. No matter how you look at it, matte paintings of city backgrounds in the beginning are more on the nose than before.
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ok, who here likes the 4th movie? I thought I was one of the few people who loved the sequels but even I have a hard time defending the 4th one unless you look at it in an ironic way (I also heard a theory that Lana made a terrible movie on purpose as a revenge against wb because she didn't want to make another sequel. (which actually makes perfect sense if you pay atttention to the plot of the movie)) (edited)
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Synapze777[MERV]/Reposco[EPN] 30.5.2025. 22:48
The 4th is as deep as the rest... scrolling zombies, that the 1999 was indeed the peak of our civilization, Merovingian seeing how everything classy has turned to shit.... there's alot of depth in the 4th it's just better hidden if you're not awake. (edited)
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I did like the meta plot but I can't understand how they messed up the action scenes
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and why didn't they integrate any of the story from mxo? I thought it was supposed to be a continuation and their plot with fragments of neo being scattered around the matrix made much more sense than to simply revive him
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also, the matrix is such a fascination universe that would allow for so many spinoffs as comics, films, series or games. why does wb not realize that? instead they tell another neo story who's arch was already completed in the first 3 films
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and why didn't they integrate any of the story from mxo? I thought it was supposed to be a continuation and their plot with fragments of neo being scattered around the matrix made much more sense than to simply revive him
Because MxO’s story is shit.
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We really need N30 AG3NTS in the next movie though
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Or Anome
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Or fly monsters
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Smith should only come back on Halloweens
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Or wait was it on anniversaries?
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Metalogic 31.5.2025. 0:44
TBH, a small splinter groups of humans who are upset and angry that the real world sucks so much more than The Matrix that they would carry out terrorist attacks would be a good B plot for a Matrix movie.
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Cypherites are the one good thing I would keep
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A great concept
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Because MxO’s story is shit.
codejunky 31.5.2025. 0:46
oh, is it really? I just saw a video summary about it and the parts about neo or morpheus going crazy after neos death actually made a lot of sense. I also liked that some machines and humans would work together against new enemies and it makes sense that some humans would start another war or some factions wanting to stay in the matrix. From the summary itself, it seemed like a very well thought out and logical continuation of the original story
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Machines and humans do work together in Resurrections
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It’s a big thing
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codejunky 31.5.2025. 0:48
yes, I know. they kept that because it was already hinted at in the end of revolutions
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but they didnt keep anything from mxo
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The movie takes place 60 years after the trilogy
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Metalogic 31.5.2025. 0:48
M4 did have something of a EPN group, I think they were called Neoites or whatever they were called in the movie.
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MxO was played by a couple of people
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I bet Lana doesn’t even remember what she wrote for it
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codejunky 31.5.2025. 0:49
well, maybe they did a better job at continuing the story than the creators did
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I bet she worked on Path of Neo and Enter The Matrix way more
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codejunky 31.5.2025. 0:49
i love path of neo
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You can’t have flashbacks with a de-age fat 60yo Morpheus going crazy around town
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It’s not what the movie was about
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We think a lot in “what ifs” nowadays
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I bet Lana doesn’t even remember what she wrote for it
Metalogic 31.5.2025. 0:51
If I recall correctly, Chadwick was the main writer and driving force behind MxO's storyline. If the sisters had any involvement, it was basically skimming over the outlines of upcoming story arcs and giving it their stamp of approval. (edited)
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It sucks haha
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Morpheus why are you so mad? “Because they won’t give me back Neo’s body!” Wouldn’t it make more sense to honor him by upholding this peace? “No I want to start a war with a race of machines that six months ago almost killed us all!” Wait what? “Sorry if you want to learn more you’ll have to show up at X random spot where I’ll reveal my plan to all of three people”
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Yeah they came up with the first few chapters and that’s it
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Gotta remember the entire story revolved around the fact that this was an MMO
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It was entirely built for that
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Which is fine for what it is
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But it’s not Matrix 4 material
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Oh no! A fly monster killed Morpheus!? How will we beat it!?!?? Idk bug spray?
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Anome how could you betray us!? “Because I have mommy issues!” Wait….what? Really? “This plot is gonna run for over a year! Better settle in kids!
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Anome how could you betray us!? “Because I have mommy issues!” Wait….what? Really? “This plot is gonna run for over a year! Better settle in kids!
Metalogic 31.5.2025. 0:59
I mean, how many serial killers, dictators, spree killers have had mommy or daddy issues?
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Anome having mommy issues was the most realistic part
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It wasn’t even his real mother technically
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Like Neo never talks about his “parents”
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We don’t even know how reproduction works
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Do they just take sperm from one pod and put it into the other pod
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Never thought about that haha
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My issue with Anome is that kinda story is like at the bottom of a list of interesting things to do in the Matrix and we were stuck on it for what felt like years. I get a lot of that was out of everyone’s hands but it was miserable to have nothing to look forward to except “chase down Unlimit member #whocares” again and again and again
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I killed one! That counts for something.
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But yeah superhero bullshit
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It sucked and a lot of RP people left because of it
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The story needed the expected additions Chadwick had in mind to the game. The “cheat code” vials were supposed to randomly spawn around the world and users could have small upgrades and powers to play around with. Instead we got helicopters dropping propaganda 🙃
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But none of this is my biggest problem with MxO’s story. My issue is with how dogshit the excuse to restart the war was. The machines get exposed as having been hijacking redpills, erasing their brains, and turning them into Cypherites! And no one fucking cared! Nothing ever came of it! Just Seraph running around not telling anyone what he was doing!!!!!!
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Anome having mommy issues was the most realistic part
Sad, but true.
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We don’t even know how reproduction works
Yes we do
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The story needed the expected additions Chadwick had in mind to the game. The “cheat code” vials were supposed to randomly spawn around the world and users could have small upgrades and powers to play around with. Instead we got helicopters dropping propaganda 🙃
Yeah, Chadwick spoke about this. I guess it was too problematic to be implemented. Or it was implemented and caused performance issues and quickly removed.
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But none of this is my biggest problem with MxO’s story. My issue is with how dogshit the excuse to restart the war was. The machines get exposed as having been hijacking redpills, erasing their brains, and turning them into Cypherites! And no one fucking cared! Nothing ever came of it! Just Seraph running around not telling anyone what he was doing!!!!!!
Yeah, the war excuse. Like building new Zion was the deal breaker. But what could Zion really do? Just appease the machines truce as long as possible.
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Unlimits were supposed to look like this but the game had no budget for it
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Those sketches are probably for sale by Mr Chadwick (edited)
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holytacosauce 6.6.2025. 20:28
What's y'all's favorite scene from each matrix movie? 🍿
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Lobby shootout Seraph vs Neo Logos above the clouds White rabbit montage
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codejunky 6.6.2025. 21:30
breathtaking 1
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What's y'all's favorite scene from each matrix movie? 🍿
EdwinEchoXVI 6.6.2025. 22:24
The Matrix: fight between Morpheus and Mr. Anderson. Reloaded: Rave "humping". (I like how it was shot.) Revolutions: conversation between Mr. Anderson and Deus Ex Machina. Resurrections: none. (edited)
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The Matrix: fight between Morpheus and Mr. Anderson. Reloaded: Rave "humping". (I like how it was shot.) Revolutions: conversation between Mr. Anderson and Deus Ex Machina. Resurrections: none. (edited)
holytacosauce 6.6.2025. 23:10
That resurrections comment had me ☠
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Lol
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Lobby shootout Seraph vs Neo Logos above the clouds White rabbit montage
holytacosauce 6.6.2025. 23:11
Man that lobby shootout was INSANE soooo good
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en7deA6dE7Y&t=717s Adam Savage on Corridor Crew, they cover the Matrix sequels and some other stuff (edited)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en7deA6dE7Y&t=717s Adam Savage on Corridor Crew, they cover the Matrix sequels and some other stuff (edited)
codejunky 9.6.2025. 18:03
I think everybody keeps praising the original for how revolutionary it was in terms of vfx but I think the sequals were just as groundbreaking. I hope they take a look at the highway scene next.
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I think the stinkers like the full CG Neo contributed a lot to the perception, kinda took away from the brilliance of what was done really well
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Battle of Zion is where it’s at when it comes to CGI in the sequels
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Battle of Zion is where it’s at when it comes to CGI in the sequels
codejunky 9.6.2025. 21:03
a lot of it is practical, though
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I think the stinkers like the full CG Neo contributed a lot to the perception, kinda took away from the brilliance of what was done really well
codejunky 9.6.2025. 21:03
I actually like the cg. especially in the smith fight or when the 2 truck collide on the highway
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the cg back then was still better than matrix 4
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Some of the CG worked, full CG neo did not. When they switched to 100% CG in the burly brawl made me slump in my seat when it first came out
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codejunky 9.6.2025. 21:05
yeah, I think they just overdid it. they could have easily filmed him on bluescreen
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A lot of the CG in the highway chase worked, but that whole thing was largely practical.
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A lot of the CG in the highway chase worked, but that whole thing was largely practical.
codejunky 9.6.2025. 21:05
but the 2 trucks colliding at the end is full cg
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yeah, I think they just overdid it. they could have easily filmed him on bluescreen
That's what they did in the first film. Real people, real cameras, composited CG backgrounds. They completely abandoned bullet time in the sequels.
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Yeah that looked good, most of it did (except the trucks without axles when the camera passes underneath them) (edited)
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Machines of any kind, vehicle or sentinel, did much better in CG than trying to do people. (edited)
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codejunky 9.6.2025. 21:20
yeah, it was still the early time of cg when they figured a lot of things out
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still happy they filmed so much for real
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it really shows
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and they really tried to push the boundaries
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That's what they did in the first film. Real people, real cameras, composited CG backgrounds. They completely abandoned bullet time in the sequels.
They didn’t! They just did it in CGI. It’s used when the trucks collide, when Neo gets the Smiths off his back or when he punches Smith in the final fight
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That’s also bullet time
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They just never did it for real
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
EdwinEchoXVI 9.6.2025. 21:32
Punch in the face looks real... but CGI-enhanced.
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The shot of Hugo is real
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Not the bullet time part
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They also added fist marks on his face
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They even made a little bust to show how it’s supposed to look and that bust is in Smith’s office in Resurrections
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yeah, I think they just overdid it. they could have easily filmed him on bluescreen
EdwinEchoXVI 9.6.2025. 21:34
Maybe they did few tests but couldn't blend it properly. And spinning part didn't turn out as they hoped.
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codejunky 9.6.2025. 21:35
well, technically, the "real" scenes in matrix 1 are also fully cgi. they just used photogrammetry to recontruct 3D models from photos
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I don't understand why they didnt use the same technology in the later movies
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it was probably cheaper to just face scan them once
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They just never did it for real
That's what I mean, bullet time with actual photographs for reference. Does employing bullet-time-esque tactics in full CG really count? Definitely didn't have the same look. (edited)
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The smith face punch looked decent tho
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The Wachowskis wanted to use technology at its maximum when they did the sequels
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It wasn’t there yet
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I love the 'Don't tell the Wachowskis the elevator works!' bit in the VFX video (edited)
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I love the 'Don't tell the Wachowskis the elevator works!' bit in the VFX video (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 10.6.2025. 10:51
"There is no spoon elevator."
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@Gami do you happen to own these in your Reloaded archives?
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I’ve been trying to find a good quality version for years
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@Gami do you happen to own these in your Reloaded archives?
I do not. Closest thing I've seen is this.
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Thanks!
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This really makes you realize how much work went into that chase (edited)
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I would love to find the Y like maps to put on my wall
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Did you find anything new or fun in your Reloaded binders?
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I’m trying to add anything you’ve posted to my own archives
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This really makes you realize how much work went into that chase (edited)
There was an auction a few years back of the Wachowskis personal collections from a variety of their projects. Whole binder full of the highway chase stuff. Most of it technical. Let me see what I saved.
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I don’t have any of this. These are just the images I grabbed.
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Did you find anything new or fun in your Reloaded binders?
I’ve got pages of hovercraft designs ranging from sketch drawing to CG mock ups. About to have some free time to work on getting it all scanned again and I’ll send you a few as I get them in.
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The free time I’ve had since visiting LA has been in deciphering what changes were made to the sequels scripts and when.
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So not much progress on getting the art into a readable form
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I have a little hovercraft collection
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I’ll cross reference when I get the chance.
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Found one more freeway
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I should give you editing privileges so you can add stuff
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I have uploaded every concept art and storyboard I could find
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Quick glance I think I’ve got a few additions for ya. Question, there’s a sketch called “The Devil Dog” that from M2&3 or 4? (edited)
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Some of them are fan made during MxO times (edited)
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Like the hoverbarge
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But most of them are from the movies
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I just wanted to have all the hovercraft I could find in one place
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If you want to check out everything I’ve gathered
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usernameisjim 17.6.2025. 9:30
saw this on hackernews pretty cool someone posted it just 4 days ago, revisiting first matrix movie scene locations in Sydney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVf7rMqnwI0 (edited)
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saw this on hackernews pretty cool someone posted it just 4 days ago, revisiting first matrix movie scene locations in Sydney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVf7rMqnwI0 (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 17.6.2025. 12:56
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.... Locations are still, mostly, recognizable.
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This is really cool. Wish I could remember the name of the fan film that used a few of the original locations (Edit: Computer Boy) (edited)
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🌸Rauta🌸 2.7.2025. 15:05
should i watch resurrections?
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or is it not worth it?
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Joshua007 2.7.2025. 15:34
For me it wasn't worth it but I'm still glad I watched it, if that makes sense to you.
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should i watch resurrections?
Metalogic 2.7.2025. 15:41
I would watch it, but whether or not you'd consider it canon to the OG trilogy and the animatrix is up to you.
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🌸Rauta🌸 2.7.2025. 15:41
im watching it then
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thanks for sharing your opinions
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I would watch it, but whether or not you'd consider it canon to the OG trilogy and the animatrix is up to you.
But it’s canon?
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How is that up to the viewers?
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It’s literally written and directed by one of the creators and a direct sequel
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Morph (aka HD Morph) 3.7.2025. 18:27
i just watched Resurrection aaand it is not soooo bad. if you see it as a love story that has nonsense around. inmediately after i watched John Wick 4, and the film quality (not the story as a 4th story ought to be meh) is kind of worlds apart. camera combat following the flows, over the ceiling take, lights in japanese continental (plus Hiroyuki Sanada 😜 )......
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A new casting rumor has revealed whether Keanu Reeves’ Neo will return in Warner Bros.’ upcoming The Matrix 5. Known for his role as the prophesied One who disrupted the machines’ simulated reality, Reeves could reprise the character under director Drew Goddard’s new vision. If confirmed, his return would mark a significant continuation ...
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Keanu’s said in interviews if Lana or Lily aren’t on it he isn’t either. The only reason he came back for 4 was because of Lana. (edited)
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You talking about the guy who took a pay cut on the sequels and was giving people motorcycles.
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Keanu’s said in interviews if Lana or Lily aren’t on it he isn’t either. The only reason he came back for 4 was because of Lana. (edited)
CorruptedRSI 4.7.2025. 2:29
He should have sat this one out regardless
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He should have sat this one out regardless
Maybe he saw something in it you don’t 🙂
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CorruptedRSI 4.7.2025. 2:46
Did you just 2deep4u me? lmao
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Nope. Just pointing out the obvious.
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It’s not really about the movie being too deep or anything like that
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It’s more that it depends on your sensibilities
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And yeah Keanu is faithful to the Wachowskis
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I don’t think he regrets doing the movie
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I know plenty of people who liked the movie and even more people who didn’t but I really don’t think it was made with bad intentions like I can sometimes read
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CritterCore 5.7.2025. 4:33
Not sure if y'all are in LA or Dallas but just saw the mixed reality screening at Cosm and it was crazy.
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Sweetmeat Shade 7.7.2025. 22:00
I am so jealous
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CritterCore
Not sure if y'all are in LA or Dallas but just saw the mixed reality screening at Cosm and it was crazy.
That is pretty sick, thanks for posting it in action
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The latest in the Keanu Reeves-led franchise bombed at the box office but is still a global hit on streaming charts.
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EdwinEchoXVI 8.7.2025. 9:29
How predictable. Every flop is a success on streaming nowadays. Why do I think it’s inflated… I don’t think Lionsgate lost that much since they sell rights internationally.
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Zero sourcing in the article but at worst M4 probably broke even. 150 to make, 120 in box office, 30 in hbo subscriptions. But everyone in that business also knows there’s a massive asterisk next to each movie released during covid.
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That and SpiderMan just eating 2 billion in the market at the same time.
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That and SpiderMan just eating 2 billion in the market at the same time.
EdwinEchoXVI 8.7.2025. 17:42
Yeah. I remember how I went to the cinema to watch M4. All screenings were booked... for new Spider-Man movie.
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P.S. Don't forget about marketing expenses, which are 1/3 of the budget on top, usually.
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Putting it on Max at release was a big mistake tbh
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A week after Spidey’s release and still in the Covid era
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People clearly needed to go to the movies after a shitty year and I believe WB could have been smarter about it (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 10:06
I think Resurrections would’ve flopped regardless.
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What’s the reasoning?
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What’s the reasoning?
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:15
It's minuscule box office dropped heavily on second week, even taking into account December's holidays.
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It can’t flop more than it already did
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I believe if it was theaters only, it would have made better numbers (edited)
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:23
I mean: it could've gotten another 20-30 mill if it was in different release time-slot and had no HBO Max simultaneous release, but final result still would've been short of getting back it's 190 million budget, not counting marketing costs.
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Better than nothing!
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Then again, WB still wants to make sequels so they don’t seem to care
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Although their decision to make a sequel (or reboot) is probably because of the streaming numbers but we’ll never know for sure (edited)
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Then again, WB still wants to make sequels so they don’t seem to care
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:26
Apparently, M4 release did increase interest in franchise's older stuff and previous films started to make solid money again.
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Has anybody heard from Lana since the movie came out?
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:27
But we'll never know actual figures, indeed.
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I hear about Lilly a lot but not Lana
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:27
Neither of those two.
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Lilly is doing this
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But I wonder if Lana is actually involved in the new movie or if it’s just the bullshit executive producer title to make sure she gets paid
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We got lucky that Lana actually did interviews this time
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Back when Reloaded and Revolutions came out, it was impossible to interview these two
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Back when Reloaded and Revolutions came out, it was impossible to interview these two
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:34
Both were quite private. Even during The Matrix interviews were sparse.
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Lana was transitioning when the sequels were shot and was the victim of intense tabloid attacks
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So I get it
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Also I like when directors don’t over explain their movies
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Lynch is my favorite director
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But I wonder if Lana is actually involved in the new movie or if it’s just the bullshit executive producer title to make sure she gets paid
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:35
Whatever creative juices they had - they lost it. That one is evident.
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Well they did Speed Racer so they clearly still had some juice
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I need to rewatch Cloud Atlas one day but I hear people love it now
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Jupiter Ascending? We don’t talk about that
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Lana was transitioning when the sequels were shot and was the victim of intense tabloid attacks
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:37
That came later, I believe. You can still see both in BTS materials.
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No she was already known as Lana back then
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:38
Around V For Vendetta and Speed Racer.
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Around 2002
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Not officially though
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And she began transitioning around that time I believe
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Back when she divorced her wife and married an S&M lady
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They’re still together
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:39
Those things I don't tap into a lot, so my head is empty on this one, mostly.
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2004
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12 years before her actual coming out
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Those things I don't tap into a lot, so my head is empty on this one, mostly.
Well the whole trans aspect gave us a new way to see the movies
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Neo being dead named and all that jazz
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It’s always nice when a long time passes and people still discover new ways to analyze a movie
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It’s always nice when a long time passes and people still discover new ways to analyze a movie
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:43
This is all overthinking and I don't do that. It's like looking into weird religious themes Hideaki Anno clearly didn't put into his EVA franchise.
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To go back to Lynch, I see new theories about Twin Peaks every day and it’s a great way to keep the flame alive
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This is all overthinking and I don't do that. It's like looking into weird religious themes Hideaki Anno clearly didn't put into his EVA franchise.
Lilly Wachowski, who came out as trans in 2016, says the "world wasn't quite ready" in 1999.
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It’s clearly there though
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Analyzing an author isn’t over thinking, it’s just thinking
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 17:45
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I remember back when the first movie came out, everybody became a philosopher
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The forums were packed with theories
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Probably one of the first movie franchise to create this type of engagement (edited)
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Good times
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Anybody remember The Last Free City forums around here?
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I wish those still existed
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The forums were packed with theories
There were public-invite meetings all over in libraries, coffee houses and stuff to discuss the film and its implications, hadn't seen anything like that
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So many books were written in my language
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I bet it’s like that in so many countries too
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What I loved is that the production embraced that and made audio commentaries with actual philosophers (edited)
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And even movie critics who hated the movie
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I bet it’s like that in so many countries too
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 18:01
Not much where I came from. Enter the Matrix was a thing, however. For a few months.
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Probably one of the first movie franchise to create this type of engagement (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 18:02
Nah. It happened before.
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Care to elaborate?
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I don’t see a lot of other blockbuster franchises generate so many philosophical content
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Especially not before 99
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Star Trek?
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Maybe
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Star Trek?
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 18:08
Certain space opera also.
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It never went as deep as surface level stuff
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Which is fine because not all blockbusters should be about that
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EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 18:09
It sure did.
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I’m talking about forums and books full of philosophical thoughts all about one movie
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The other two a bit less, I guess, but it was still there
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Especially between Reloaded and Revolutions
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Old School Planet of the Apes was philosophical too in the 60’s
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But that was a while ago long before forums
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Would have loved to see the reactions it would get nowadays
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Would have loved to see the reactions it would get nowadays
EdwinEchoXVI 9.7.2025. 18:13
I assume you never seen Tumblr before 2019. (edited)
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TIL Bugs’ pistol has custom engraving (edited)
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That's actually pretty cool
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numb3r5ev3n 5.9.2025. 23:52
I went back in July, it was pretty cool.
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I'd go again if it's still running, but it's a mite pricey.
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I have the drinks recipe
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I wish those still existed
numb3r5ev3n 5.9.2025. 23:58
I miss the old forums. I miss forums in general.
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I think one reason I keep coming back to the Matrix fandom is because I miss that particular period of time.
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I've been hanging out on the Indie Web a lot lately (Nekoweb, Neocities, etc.) (edited)
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#TheMerovingianWasRight
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"We had conversations worth having! Not this BeepBeepBeepBeepBeep."
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"Ok Boomer."
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 0:18
1999-2006 was the best era of the internet. I'll stop grandstanding now.
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1999-2006 was the best era of the internet. I'll stop grandstanding now.
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 17:41
Though, they ended in 2012-2013. Good times those were. Good times.
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I found the very first official matrix website on the wayback machine and there was an old comment section from 1999
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Filled with racists and homophobic slurs
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From beginning to end
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So I’m not sure about the internet being better back then haha
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 17:46
They did it for lulz.
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That good ol' lulz
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Filled with racists and homophobic slurs
numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 17:53
So basically Twitter, current day.
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It made me chuckle though I was expecting deep discussions about the first movie and saw this (edited)
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but yeah we're all missing actual websites and forums
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I don't think we'll ever get those back
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 17:55
I think the great Social Media Experiment is going stale
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we've been saying that for a while
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and then a thing like TikTok is invented and it keeps going
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 17:56
People are trying. I think what will happen is that folks will try and reconstruct the things that were good about Web 1.0 and combine them with the best aspects of Web 2.0, and we'll finally see people depart the Social Media Walled Gardens.
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Tiktok is like that one episode of Star Trek TNG when Wesley and Ashley Judd come to the Enterprise from the Academy and everyone is addicted to these headsets, and try to force them to participate.
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these days I guess Discord and Reddit are the closest to old forums but it all depend on if you find a good community
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 17:57
Discord is IRC
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basically
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it's just a continuation of IRC
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and TeamSpeak
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or Ventrilo
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 17:58
Designs of websites and brand logos lost personality. Internet became link-rotten semi-centralized nanny state.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 17:58
yeah it''s like if IRC and Ventrilo had a baby
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it's just a continuation of IRC
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 17:59
I remember how I chatted on IRC and downloaded stuff from there.
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in the end, longing for the good old days of the internet is also forgetting how slow and tedious everything was
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 17:59
A large part of Reddit is Troll Farm/Botnet driven though
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like people lamenting about VHS
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:00
There's a Troll Farm operating out of an air force base that has an unnatural hold on reddit
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oh I mostly follow tv shows subreddit
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like people lamenting about VHS
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:00
VHD was a good format. And Betamax was better.
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yeah but it will never be as easy as just pointing your remote and pressing a button
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:00
Yeah, it still pisses me off how we were convinced to abandon CRT for LCD
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everything is about being convenient now, not actually great
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:01
I had two perfectly good CRT monitors that I gave up for one LCD back in the mid 2000s and I would love to have those bacl
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Apparently those old TVs are getting rare because they ended up being thrown away and nobody kept any
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Yeah, it still pisses me off how we were convinced to abandon CRT for LCD
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:02
I think it's one of the reasons of pixel-art fetishism becoming a thing. CRT didn't make things pixelated.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:02
At least I kept my DVDs and Blu Rays (edited)
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I have a big vinyl collection
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At least I kept my DVDs and Blu Rays (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:03
My CRT TV is still around and kicking. (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:03
There are whole college dissertations and video blogs about how people are trying to emulate VHS scanline and things being pixelated once the technologies those were associated with were phased out of our lives. (edited)
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it's like copying the Super 8 effect
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now you can do it on your phone with a filter
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weird times we're living in
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now you can do it on your phone with a filter
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:04
And it still looks wrong, Just like scan-lines.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:06
I sailed the seas for a copy of the original pre-directors cut movie Legend the other day and got excited when I saw tracking lines. It was straight-up a ripped VHS copy.
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People are trying. I think what will happen is that folks will try and reconstruct the things that were good about Web 1.0 and combine them with the best aspects of Web 2.0, and we'll finally see people depart the Social Media Walled Gardens.
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:08
Except we'll get equivalent of Neon/Arcade 80's that still cannot die.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:08
I mean, you go to Neocities and it's kind of dominated by the Vaporwave Aesthetic
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:09
I'm talking about Breakin' 2-style 80's.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:09
5 years ago it was dominated by Serial Experiments Lain fansites
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:10
Matrix films were more inspired by doctom boom and it's results in this regard.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:13
It's one of a whole block of films that came out around the same time that seem to be inspired by Gen X angst. Were we going to be our genuine selves and live fulfilled lives, or were we going to sell out for material comforts and security like our parents had?
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Then the dotcom bust and 9/11 happened and Everything Changed
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"Then the Fire Nation Attacked"
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And now Gen X is known as the boring generation, which, hey, good for you tbh (edited)
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It’s better than all the others
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:16
I don't know that any generation is any better than any other tbh (edited)
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The ones who died in big wars are usually seen as the great ones but that’s mostly because they died
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Also the concept of generations is a very American thing
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We don’t really talk about it that way here in France
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:17
Not really. It's in many places.
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I mean an English speaking term I guess
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We don’t have the same generations
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For example, the baby boom didn’t happen everywhere
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Just the concept of Boomers isn’t really a thing in most of the world
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I don't know that any generation is any better than any other tbh (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:20
That's because contrarianism was a thing in every single one.
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I tend to think the younger generations are usually right because History has proved they usually are
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But I’m getting old so I’m probably gonna change my mind and start hating them
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:22
So, let's all play Landslide, now.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:23
LOL
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:24
P.S. Lambert Wilson deserved better than this.
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:24
I kind of want to see what happened
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Something about how the Fairy King can't reign if his Queen leaves.
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And well, he was cheating on her
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and she was clearly mad about that
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A whole Midsummer Nights' Dream thing if you will.
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EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:26
I'd say new system administrators phased him out from the system further and locked in a limbo.
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P.S. Lambert Wilson deserved better than this.
Knowing Lambert’s reputation in France, not really
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Also he improvised
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Most of what he said
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Lana probably told him “go crazy about Marvel and Facebook”
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:28
My headcanon is that Persephone said "Eff this, I'm out" and he lost everything when the purge happened
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He also improvised his French lines in Reloaded
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Merv’s backstory from Revolutions to Resurrections must be a wild ride
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From riches to rags
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:29
The system kept him around because like Zion it was a way to keep tabs on and control of Exiles moving in and out of the system
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then he was no longer necessary
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He probably still had his empire until the war between the machines
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:30
yeah
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Then the Analyst showed up and killed his crew and wife maybe
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:30
I want to think she got out
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But I want to know why he’s dressed like shit but his exile bodyguards aren’t (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:30
I mean he doesn't mention her, if that had happened I definitely think it would have made it into his tirade at Neo
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But if she left him, he wouldn't want to call attention to it (edited)
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Knowing Lambert’s reputation in France, not really
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:31
The Princess of Montpensier was the last thing I've seen starring him, so... can't say anything here. It was boring, by the way. (edited)
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As far as I know, him and his friends are the only exiles around outside of Sati (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:31
And Sati was saved by Kinbaku? (edited)
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I need to go rewatch it now
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Sati was saved by The Oracle and probably Seraph
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No idea how she stuck around
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The exile plot is really my one gripe with the film
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They were so important to the point that we end the trilogy with them looking at the sun
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So I wouldn’t have minded more explanation as to how Merv and Sati survived (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:34
yeah
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What is Lambert Wilsen's reputation in France? The one superfan I know is from Finland
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Nothing too bad, he’s just a dick
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And he always defend guys like Polanski
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:35
well that's unfortunate
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A lot of French cinema is built on excusing guys like Polanski
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Sad to see
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Lana shifted from the exiles by introducing the machine programs who have chosen to live on IO and that’s not a bad idea
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Not enough screen time sadly
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:37
For sure, that was one of my favorite aspects of the new film
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A lot of people hate the real world stuff in the franchise
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It’s a miracle I-O was even in the movie
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Lana shifted from the exiles by introducing the machine programs who have chosen to live on IO and that’s not a bad idea
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:42
I wouldn't say it's a new idea. Machines weren't one giant hivemind. Joining for the sake of self-preservation was logical. So, when things were over it stopped being the main directive.
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Yeah it’s just exiles in the real world basically
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It’s a miracle I-O was even in the movie
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:43
It looked stupid.
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But I hear a lot of people are sad that exiles are not around anymore when they kinda are via the I-O plot
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:43
Naw, IO rocked
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it was better than Zion
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which I think is the point
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Yeah I thought it looked pretty good
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:44
none of the innovations were possible before the alliance with the Synthients
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it was better than Zion
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:44
Well, Zion was machine-constructed military city, essentially.
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The real world scenes are actually as pretty as they’ve ever been
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It’s not as cool as swarms of sentinels
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But it still looks good
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:47
Just imagine a reality where you've escaped from this simulation where it's 1999 forever and all there is to eat is single celled protein slop and magic mushrooms (edited)
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Then suddenly, you're upgraded to grow lights in the sky and strawberries
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Pretty
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:49
And I'm sorry the magnetic nanobot bodies for the escaped programs was cool
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I have a long list of things I don’t think are great in this movie but the real world’s look ain’t it
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:51
There were a lot of cool ideas that could have filled a whole other movie that are just kind of glossed over.
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And I like Resurrections actually, but I also want to watch that whole other movie
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Lana’s heart was in Neo and Trinity’s story
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:52
yeah
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which was the important part
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The only reason she accepted to make the money
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There were a lot of cool ideas that could have filled a whole other movie that are just kind of glossed over.
EdwinEchoXVI 6.9.2025. 18:53
There were, but they went nowhere.
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It’s cute when you know the story behind her decision
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 18:55
Well, the story I read was that she was struggling with her parents' death, and then one night, out of nowhere, she had a dream that Neo and Trinity were alive again, and she was like "hey guess what, I can make that actually happen."
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Yeah she also lost a friend around that time
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And basically Neo and Trinity made her want to keep going instead of falling into depression
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That’s a much better reason than George Lucas having tax problems and forcing himself to write episode 1
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I’m actually surprised there is lore in Resurrections. Going in I really thought there would be no references to the sequels
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numb3r5ev3n 6.9.2025. 19:11
I had a dream that it would not only reference the MMO, it would be a straight continuation of it. And well, it did feel like we got some references to it
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And I never played Matrix Online because I could never get it running on linux, but I experienced it secondhand through a lot of friends and watched a ton of videos
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I should have just caved and installed windows
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wasn't there someone who did actally get it running on linux here recently?
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MXOEMU at least?
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The only reason she accepted to make the money
EdwinEchoXVI 7.9.2025. 21:59
When residuals dry up and other projects flop very hard: what ya gonna do...
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And I never played Matrix Online because I could never get it running on linux, but I experienced it secondhand through a lot of friends and watched a ton of videos
Linuxcel falls again to the windowmaxxer horde
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Lexy, professional supervillain 9.9.2025. 22:15
I'm not the only one who feels like the red pill isn't a great metaphor for hrt, right?
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Like, i honestly suspect that Lilly Wachowski said that to try to get "alpha male" dipshits to stop using the term (edited)
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Lexy, professional supervillain 9.9.2025. 22:23
Like, I feel like "taking the red pill" is seeing how corporations and governments keep our world stagnant, and keep us all too busy and depressed to truly improve the world, and how we should break out of this control which keeps us busy but never let's us change. And for some people, that includes changing how they publicly identify, but it just doesn't feel specific to gender identity
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Thats how I see it at least
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it can be more than one thing
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like the shark from Jaws represents fear, the fragility of civilization, greed, Cold War-era paranoia... but also it's a shark
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basically any metaphor or analogy can be studied, especially when it comes to The Matrix
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Lilly probably had her reasons for breaking the Wachowski Omerta
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in the end it really depends if you believe in the Autheur Theory
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is a movie only what the filmmaker wants it to be or is it what we project into it?
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to quote from the best
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Lily didn’t say it was a direct metaphor. She was taken out of context and a question she wasn’t asked replaced the question she was in the interview edit. She and Lana still rarely ever state exactly what it was they had in mind with their films. That said: there is a very obvious theme of advancing one personal agency through what they feel about themselves in spite of what the world around them tells them they are. This is an easy framework to slot in a metaphor for let’s call it a “trans awakening”. The same argument was made in queer studies years earlier. Taking the red pill is like coming out of the closet. Or a religious awakening or even denouement of one religious upbringing. Or a political awakening. The red pill as a moment of radicalization. The point is being true to oneself and no longer hiding that in a world telling you those feelings aren’t real. Taking action that is true to yourself and what you believe. And what that “self” is takes many forms. Trans identity is one. But it is not the only one. What Lily has later clarified is that both her and Lana were closeted trans women. That obviously played a part in their filmmaking. How could it not. But it was not a conscious statement they were making. They weren’t even sure of that identity for themselves yet. (edited)
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Scenes like the "My name is Neo" one hit totally differently when you look at them with the trans allegory in mind (edited)
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Even if it wasn't subconscious, it's tough to miss nowadays (edited)
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there is a big theme of identity in general in all the movies even the last one through Program Morpheus for example
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even Smith had an identity crisis
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Don’t get me wrong. I see it. I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest there are trans undertones to the films. And if this movie helped someone recognize and have the courage to take steps to becoming their true self that’s awesome. But it’s the same statement of “I’m gay.” “I’m an Atheist” “I’m a Muslim” “I’m a communist” etc. My biggest complaint about the “Trans identity” commentary is I think it overshadows a lot of what else is in these movies and the exploration doesn’t ever seem to extend into Reloaded and Revolutions.
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I’m also not a fan of trying to work Trinity as just being a feminine expression of Thomas’ character. That seems incredibly reductive
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Like I said earlier, we can see whatever we want with this franchise in the end. I've seen every hot take about it in existence and unless proven wrong everything is valid in its own way
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Trinity being forced to be named Tif (Trans Exclusionary Feminist) was funny though
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subtle enough that not a lot of people noticed
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Reloaded and Revolutions are all about the myth
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the religious side
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but I bet people must have found stuff in there too if they looked too hard
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Exiles are gays who exiled to San Francisco back when it was illegal to be gay? See, I found one haha
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Where I run into some trouble the idea is that ok Neo is Thomas’ actual self. His trans identity. But then reloaded is about that identity actually just being its own myth used to control others. So one’s trans elf is actually just a tool to further oppression? And then Rev ends with an allowance of that trans expression but the material conditions that actively oppress such are still in place just looser I guess? Idk it really falls apart in the sequels. But I’m not trans so maybe I don’t and can’t see the lines and dots here.
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Neo was named after an S&M club next to the sister's appartment in Chicago
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I wonder if they just got high and went "hey it's an anagram for One, like The One"
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No telling, “The One” stuff was a “late” addition. Shows up in 1996 with Cypher and the Oracle but isn’t mentioned in the 1994 script coverage
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Funny how most Matrix stuff came from S&M and we never talk about it
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Think a lot of 90s counter culture originates there.
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Lana is married to an ex S&M pornstar
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There’s probably a line of the sexual liberation of the 60s and 70s going into hiding during the 80s and emerging in the 90s grunge scene
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MxO didn't shy away from that
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some of the exiles were really funny dressed
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lol MxO stole its entire aesthetic from one scene in Revolutions. Club Hel
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Reloaded very corporate very clean. Revolutions very dirty
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and that one scene with all the redpills meeting in the sewers
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Ahhh true.
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they did a good job when it comes to that
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not enough new clothes after launch is the crime
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Think Rarebit said MxO was working off conceptuals from the sequels so that tracks.
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not enough new clothes after launch is the crime
Rocawear must of never renewed their contract lol (edited)
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the old official website was packed with costumes and sets
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you could visit the sets in "3d"
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all of them
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like even the metro from the Trainman scene
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Think those under armor tops were the last pieces of “new” items in MxO. After that it was all reskins
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you could visit the sets in "3d"
Any of that survive?
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check the ol' Wayback
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it's tough to navigate
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lots of dead links
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but some stuff still exists
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try one from 2003
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around or after Revolutions
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that's when all the good stuff is
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Linuxcel falls again to the windowmaxxer horde
numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 15:44
Have fun with Windows 11 telling Daddy Microsoft everthing you do via TPM.
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Have fun with Windows 11 telling Daddy Microsoft everthing you do via TPM.
windows 11? Heh. I never upgraded from Bandera.
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Have fun with Windows 11 telling Daddy Microsoft everthing you do via TPM.
Why would I need the TPM to tell them? My spyware comes in the OS baby. Loonix chuds could never compete (edited)
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Where I run into some trouble the idea is that ok Neo is Thomas’ actual self. His trans identity. But then reloaded is about that identity actually just being its own myth used to control others. So one’s trans elf is actually just a tool to further oppression? And then Rev ends with an allowance of that trans expression but the material conditions that actively oppress such are still in place just looser I guess? Idk it really falls apart in the sequels. But I’m not trans so maybe I don’t and can’t see the lines and dots here.
numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 15:51
A danger faced by a lot of revolutionary movements is the capitalist establishment trying to co-opt it and market its signifiers back to the revolutionaries as a way to try and subvert it. I think this is the metaphor that Reloaded is trying to convey
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So the movement gets converted into "lifestylist" consumer protest = an edgelord buying a Che Guevara T Shirt from Target instead of actully rebelling in a constructive way. (edited)
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It's safe rebellion as a safety valve for consumer frustration rather than something that could actually harm the establishment. People buying into the aesthetic of a revolution instead of actually rebelling. (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 16:01
As for the Trans metaphor: one faction of the establishment tried rainbow-washing, while another is trying scapegoating and persecution.
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rainbow-washing being the attempt to just assimilate and incorporate the Trans rights movement back into the capitalist establishment. But capitalism attempts to destroy what it can't assimilate. (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 16:16
And capitalism is really keen on people being hetero and making babies right now so it doesn't collapse. (edited)
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Even with AI looking like it might be able to replace a ton of jobs
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Frankly I was looking forward to the phase of cyberpunk where it was going to be like "whatever you want to be is a quick trip to the surgery clinic away" but it doesn't look like that's the cyberpunk future we're getting right now.
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numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 16:38
But we can see where the Architect was trying to subvert the awakened humans and exiles and keep them under control, wheras the Analyst was just trying to destroy all opposition. (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 16:47
And arguably, the Architect was able to keep his system going for several iterations and who knows how many centuries, while the Analyst was shut all the way down after 60 years or so.
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numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 16:57
Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing the real-world equivalents of the Analyst getting their shit rocked. (edited)
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Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing the real-world equivalents of the Analyst getting their shit rocked. (edited)
who would they be?
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Frankly I was looking forward to the phase of cyberpunk where it was going to be like "whatever you want to be is a quick trip to the surgery clinic away" but it doesn't look like that's the cyberpunk future we're getting right now.
it literally is, you can go to a private clinic and pay for whatever shit you want in the us.
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mf give prosthetics a couple more years and youll be able to get whatevs.
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just dont cry when its more like cyberpunk than you think
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EdwinEchoXVI 10.9.2025. 19:43
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Looking for meanings that aren't there?
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who would they be?
numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 22:07
I've mentioned one of them already, it shouldn't be too hard to extrapolate from there.
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I wonder if Windows 11 is going to go down as the next Vista or ME.
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Oh well.
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I wonder if Windows 11 is going to go down as the next Vista or ME.
EdwinEchoXVI 10.9.2025. 22:45
Vista, like ME, was buggy at release but steady after 6-8 months of updates. Windows 11, on the other hand, is more of a mess since 24H2 upgrade (which was buggy). All updates of it broke something and still do, one way or another.
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numb3r5ev3n 10.9.2025. 22:50
I have to deal with it in a business capacity and it SUUUUUUUCKS
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I've mentioned one of them already, it shouldn't be too hard to extrapolate from there.
i aint reading allat
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EdwinEchoXVI 11.9.2025. 5:22
I've checked your statement and all I managed to gather is that you're secret Homey D. Clown fan. (edited)
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about anymore
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about anymore
the guy deleted his message and left the server
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epic
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Requesting some feedback on a project I’m working on. If you could answer the questions listed or leave comments in the Reddit post or here it would be greatly appreciated. https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/2zauJ4lwzG https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/nghm1e5sYN https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/F92bkNnGS2 (edited)
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the guy deleted his message and left the server
EdwinEchoXVI 12.9.2025. 10:03
He went to take on "The Man" all by himself.
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Requesting some feedback on a project I’m working on. If you could answer the questions listed or leave comments in the Reddit post or here it would be greatly appreciated. https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/2zauJ4lwzG https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/nghm1e5sYN https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/F92bkNnGS2 (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 12.9.2025. 10:06
If those are indeed scans, then they look pretty good. Whatever book you're scanning it's quite well preserved.
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Requesting some feedback on a project I’m working on. If you could answer the questions listed or leave comments in the Reddit post or here it would be greatly appreciated. https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/2zauJ4lwzG https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/nghm1e5sYN https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/F92bkNnGS2 (edited)
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Got a few of those without the watermark
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who would they be?
numb3r5ev3n 13.9.2025. 5:50
Big Tech douchebros, Dork Enlightenment weirdos, purveyors of the Stupid Second Rennaisance. The reason why the internet sucks now. (edited)
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Requesting some feedback on a project I’m working on. If you could answer the questions listed or leave comments in the Reddit post or here it would be greatly appreciated. https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/2zauJ4lwzG https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/nghm1e5sYN https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/s/F92bkNnGS2 (edited)
numb3r5ev3n 13.9.2025. 5:54
I'm not on reddit, would you like me to just fill out the questionaire here? These scans are awesome
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1. It worked fine! 2. The watermark is fine. 3, 4, 5. The resolution looks good. Image size is ok. B&W scans are fine. 6. One per page. 7. I didn't see any. 8. You always told us the Freeway was suicide. 9. Reloaded is my favorite of the whole series so I'm biased. (edited)
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numb3r5ev3n 13.9.2025. 6:01
Was there ever a proper coffee table art book published for Reloaded? (edited)
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the guy deleted his message and left the server
numb3r5ev3n 13.9.2025. 6:05
I was reluctant to leave shit that could be construed as incindiary after Heavy Real World Shit Just Happened.
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Funny how most Matrix stuff came from S&M and we never talk about it
numb3r5ev3n 13.9.2025. 8:45
That's one of the things that Grant Morrison mentioned specifically when implying that The Matrix was inspired by The Invisibles.
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Was there ever a proper coffee table art book published for Reloaded? (edited)
I don’t think so
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It was advertised in the comics but never came out
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numb3r5ev3n 15.9.2025. 7:16
That's a pity. I'm glad someone's trying to do something with it.
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With the art stills that are out there.
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WestleyWolf 22.9.2025. 0:57
Currently TNT Still airs the movies.
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numb3r5ev3n 22.9.2025. 5:27
Nice.
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I haven’t watched cable in like 15 years
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the old official website was packed with costumes and sets
Finally got around to this. Didn't see a lot of material I don't have from the sequels except some concept art of random Zion citizen apparel that's all unfortunately 404'd. HOWEVER the section for m1 had some goodies. Early pass at the spoon boy spoon shot that got redone. The board in the Art of the Matrix isn't nearly as shaded and Neo isn't gritting his teeth like this in it lol (edited)
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This board is in AotM but it includes the inks. This looks to just be pencil work. (edited)
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From the rooftop duel with the Agent. Also not in AotM
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Coolest find though is actual concept art of Hacksaw by Darrow, a character only present in the 1996 screenplay
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Gizmo was on there as well but it's 404'd and wasn't saved. All that remains is this thumbnail (edited)
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Nice!
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I wish we could still visit the sets
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Finally got around to this. Didn't see a lot of material I don't have from the sequels except some concept art of random Zion citizen apparel that's all unfortunately 404'd. HOWEVER the section for m1 had some goodies. Early pass at the spoon boy spoon shot that got redone. The board in the Art of the Matrix isn't nearly as shaded and Neo isn't gritting his teeth like this in it lol (edited)
EdwinEchoXVI 23.9.2025. 22:45
Reeves, scaling teeth, would’ve looked silly.
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Found these in the special features on the Revolutions Blu-ray.
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YouCanCallMeAI 25.9.2025. 4:34
Beautiful
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Found these in the special features on the Revolutions Blu-ray.
I think I scanned a lot of those for the archives
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I think I scanned a lot of those for the archives
You’ve got everything that was on the UC Zion Archives disc. These were taken from the Special Features on the Revolutions disc of the Blu-ray. They’re also on disc 2 for the revolutions dvd.
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AndsimGaming 26.9.2025. 17:01
i just realize all matrix movie is leaving prime in 4 days
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i just realize all matrix movie is leaving prime in 4 days
EdwinEchoXVI 27.9.2025. 14:42
Welp, that's the licensing practices for ya. (edited)
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They're still stiff and stingy.
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brinkleton 2.10.2025. 15:33
I found a DVD of all 3 originals and the animatrix for like $5 at walmart
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Worthy investment I would say
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AndsimGaming 5.10.2025. 18:21
but u can still buy
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This must mean there are hundreds of Agent Smiths just sitting in a warehouse or landfill somewhere. lol Just imagine accidentally coming across that one day.
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Don’t think any action film will ever top the matrix
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[WEPN Radio]RedEye 17.10.2025. 1:41
Anyone recognise this guy? (edited)
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Anyone recognise this guy? (edited)
Should we?
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[WEPN Radio]RedEye 17.10.2025. 2:23
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That is Rowan Witt, he's an actor in Australia
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All grown up now lol
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All grown up now lol
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Should we?
[WEPN Radio]RedEye 17.10.2025. 2:25
So in some ways, maybe? lol
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Yea....I don't know the name of every actor and actresses who was in The Matrix Trilogy.
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[WEPN Radio]RedEye 17.10.2025. 2:29
Get with it. Start using that mind palace and catch up!
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Wondered if people would recognise his face, since he's so iconic in the first one.
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Get with it. Start using that mind palace and catch up!
My mind palace is kind of like a hoarder's house. The only thing left to do is burn it down.
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[WEPN Radio]RedEye 17.10.2025. 2:31
lol You're the kind of person who knows just random, obscure facts like cows have four stomachs?
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lol You're the kind of person who knows just random, obscure facts like cows have four stomachs?
Yep!
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[WEPN Radio]RedEye 17.10.2025. 2:36
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Footage from the canceled Animatrix 2.0 project.
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Joshua007 2.11.2025. 2:14
What in the actual Sam hell!?
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I just woke up
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Some of Phil Shearer’s work from the first film.
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Oh yeah. That one’s kinda crazy.
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